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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1078
Total number of notes:52352

626.0. "Fathers and daughters" by WUMBCK::FOX () Thu Jan 10 1991 09:22

    This might be discussed in the PARENTING notesfile, but I thought a
    discussion here would be worthwhile.
    My daughter (almost 5) has been going through the stage where
    gender is a very big issue. Questions like:
    "Is Teddy (her stuffed bear) a boy or a girl?"
    "Will I be a boy when I grow up"?
    "Were you a girl when you were little?"
    Etc....
    Some of these obviously easier to answer than others, but the theme
    is that gender, and what differentiates girls from boys (both physical
    and non), is becoming a major issue with Leslie.
    I see this as a time in her life where it's crucial to instill
    confidence in herself, and who she is. I want her to be independent
    as she grows, and I want to ensure that I do not convey negative role
    identities as she is becoming aware of these.
    What's a father to do?
    
    John
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626.1pointersLYRIC::BOBBITTeach according to their gifts...Thu Jan 10 1991 09:568
    see also:
    
    Womannotes-V2
    67 - children's books and female role models
    291 - raising feminist children
    
    -Jody
    
626.2MR4DEC::MAHONEYThu Jan 10 1991 13:0812
    I would give answers, as matter of factly, as the questions... answers
    easy enough for her to understand and have her curiosity satisfied...
    at that age, a child's mind is very pure and straight forward, a simple
    straight forward answer, given with confidence, is best.
    
    I got many "weird" questions from my 3 kids when they were growing
    up... most of them, funny as could be!  Those moments of "questions and
    answers" can be one of the most enjoyable for both! Don't be afraid to
    answer kid's questions... it's part of human nature and of growing up.
    
    Lots of luck, Ana
    
626.3FROSTY::SHIELDSFri Jan 11 1991 08:226
    To the basenoter:
    
    You are a VERY sensitive man John, your daughter is a VERY lucky little
    girl to have you as her dad!
    
    
626.4WUMBCK::FOXFri Jan 11 1991 10:4116
    re .3
    Thanks! And I thank the contributors to this file for adding to my
    awareness. I want to put it to good use by raising my family in a
    manner that treats people (especially themselves) as individuals.
    
    Why I am asking my questions about fatherhood here is that I hope
    to get insight as to how the readers were affected by their own
    dads (good hopefully, but bad as well), and how they see their
    own daughters relating to their (daughters) dad.
    
    My wife's work schedule situation allows me to spend quite a bit of
    time with just the kids (not unlike many families these days). I
    feel I'm as much an influence on them as Shelly. I want that influence
    to be as positive as possible.
    
    John
626.5I love a good question!HARDY::REGNELLSmile!--Payback is a MOTHER!Fri Jan 11 1991 16:0641
    
    Ohh..my goodness. What a question.
    
    Made me think twice, three times before I answered, and then I decided
    I didn't know the answer. [helpful, wasn't I?]
    
    What I _do_ know is that somehow, I grew up as just Melinda. Not
    Melinda who is a girl/woman...or Melinda who is _not_ a boy...but
    Melinda.
    
    No career option was marked out of bounds, no wandering juvenile
    decision to become [insert least applicable job here] ever denegrated.
    I _do_ remember being told when I decided to become a Roman Catholic
    Priest that I would have a tough road to hoe to get there...but I was
    not told I _couldn't_...just that I would have to convince the Pope.
    
    Every sport I wanted was pursue was supported to the best of his ability 
    to the point of offering to start a female football team if I was _really_
    serious about wanting to play. [I wasn't...I was only serious about
    what his reaction would be.]
    
    Does this tell you anything? I don't know how he did it...smoke and
    mirrors perhaps? He certainly was not a model father...but somehow,
    amidst the other _stuff_ that went on he instilled in his daughters a
    sense of 'person'. Even when we were over-ruled, and he was a strict
    authoritarian, it was on the grounds of 'my-house-my-rules' _not_
    'I am right, you are wrong.' He taught us to make sure we were right
    and then fight...regardless of the odds or the opponant.
    
    And perhaps most important of all...he treated our Mother as if she
    were a full voting member of the establishment. Now that I have
    verbally meandered all over this page, maybe I have finally landed on
    the reason, after all. Maybe it was how he treated Mother. Even when
    fighting [this is before alcoholism really consumed him...but during
    the time when I would have been impressionable] he treated her as a
    person, not his wife or our mother. They argued issues not permission.
    
    You really got me thinking...thanks.
    
    Melinda
                                                                          
626.6A view from over there.PEKING::CLEARING_HSEBrian PatmanMon Jan 14 1991 12:0038
    
    Dear John,
    
    I'm a British father of four (boys 6, 9, girls 2, eight months). 
    Already my two-year-old, who is very articulate for her age, is doing
    those charming distortions of time and gender.  She assures me that
    when I'm a little girl she will give me cuddles or that when she's a
    big boy she will go to school with her brothers.
    
    I understand your interest in, and concern about, role identity and
    self-worth.  I feel it very acutely, too, since, as the youngest of
    three children myself, and the only boy, I realize that I had the
    benefit of many more opportunities in life than my sisters, by virtue
    of my gender.  I love my daughters and want them to achieve all that is
    possible while always feeling self-determining, proud and strong.
    
    In response to my daughter's questions and statements, I do not try to
    "correct" her picture of the world.  For all I know, I may be a baby
    girl in the future - her wisdom being greater than mine in that she
    already understands and accepts it!
    
    What I do try to watch is the language I use with her; particularly
    adjectives (I point out how strong she is - and why should she be
    "pretty" if the boys are not? etc.).  I play the same "dangerous" games
    with her that I played with the boys.  I didn't deny her the toy truck
    or football she wanted for Christmas; nor do I deny our six-year-old
    the doll he wants to take to bed.
    
    There's more, but I guess I'm saying that the gender questions are but
    one aspect of concept formation.  There is much else we do as fathers
    of daughters that impacts self-concept formation.  Perhaps the most
    important thing is how, if we are not single parents, we treat our 
    daughters' mother and the model roles we play with her.
    
    Best wishes,
    
    Brian