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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
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539.0. "History of Woman Suffrage" by REGENT::BROOMHEAD (Don't panic -- yet.) Fri Nov 16 1990 11:34

    Two weeks ago, I finally got a book out of the library, and this
    evening I returned it.  The book was _History_of_Woman_Suffrage_
    _Volume_1_ by Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and Frances
    D. Gage.  I had put in a library search for it, because Volume 1
    (of the reprint edition of 1985) was nowhere to be found in the
    Minuteman Library System.  Even the Boston Public Library didn't
    have a copy.

    This copy came from the Mount Holyoke Library, via the Wellesley
    Public Library, and I had to return it last night.  I had gotten less
    than 200 pages into it, *sigh*, but I made copies of some of the more
    interesting passages, and I will be entering them here.

    The book is a facsimile of the volume first published in 1880.  Instead
    of being a synthesized narrative of the history, it is narrative
    interspersed with excerpts from actual transcripts of conventions
    and speeches, with newspaper articles and letters.  It is all done
    in four point sizes of a nineteenth century typestyle, of course,
    which is a bit of a trial.

    						Ann B.
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539.1Sojourner TruthREGENT::BROOMHEADDon't panic -- yet.Fri Nov 16 1990 11:35130
    I insist that the first excerpt be the full account of the famous
    speech by Sojourer Truth.  The terms used and the use of dialect may
    well offend some, and I am sorry, but this is the way it was then,
    and I think we should realize that.  (The Convention spoken of was
    held in Salem, Ohio in the early 1850's.)  From pages 114-117:

    Sojourner Truth, Mrs. Stowe's "Lybian Sibyl," was present at this
    Convention.  Some of our younger readers may not know that Sojourner
    Truth was once a slave in the State of New York, and carries to-day
    as many marks of the diabolism of slavery, as ever scarred the back
    of a victim in Mississippi.  Though she can neither read nor write, she
    is a woman of rare intelligence and common-sense on all subjects.  She
    is still living, at Battle Creek, Michigan, though now 110 years old.
    Although the exalted character and personal appearance of this noble
    woman have been often portrayed, and her brave deeds and words many
    times rehearsed, yet we give the following graphic picture of Sojourner's
    appearance in one of the most stormy sessions of the Convention, from

    		REMINISCENCES BY FRANCES D. GAGE.

    			SOJOURNER TRUTH.

    The leaders of the movement trembled on seeing a tall, gaunt black
    woman in a gray dress and white turban, surmounted by an uncouth
    sun-bonnet, march deliberately into the church, walk with the air of
    a queen up the aisle, and take her seat upon the pulpit steps.  A buzz
    of disapprobation was heard all over the house, and there fell on the
    listening ear, "An abolition affair!" "Woman's rights and niggers!"
    "I told you so!" "Go it, darkey!"

    I chanced on that occasion to wear my first laurels in public life
    as president of the meeting.  At my request order was restored, and
    the business of the Convention went on.  Morning, afternnon, and 
    evening exercises came and went.  Through all these sessions old
    Sojourner, quiet and reticent as the "Lybian Statue," sat crouched
    against the wall on the corner of the pulpit stairs, her sun-bonnet
    shading her eyes, her elbows on her knees, her chin resting upon her
    broad, hard palms.  At intermission she was busy selling the "Life of
    Sojourner Truth," a narrative of her own strange and adventurous life.
    Again and again, timorous and trembling ones came to me and said, with
    earnestness, "Don't let her speak, Mrs. Gage, it will ruin us.  Every
    newspaper in the land will have our cause mixed up with abolition and
    niggers, and we shall be utterly denounced."  My only answer was, "We
    shall see when the time comes."

    The second day of the work waxed warm.  Methodist, Baptist, Episcopal,
    Presbyterian, and Universalist ministers came in to hear and discuss
    the resolutions presented.  One claimed superior rights and privileges
    for man, on the ground of "superior intellect"; another, because of the
    "manhood of Christ; if God had desired the equality of woman, He would
    have given some token of His will through the birth, life, and death of
    the Savior."  Another gave us a theological view of the "sin of our
    first mother."

    There were very few women in those days who dared to "speak in meeting";
    and the august teachers of the people were seemingly getting the
    better of us, while the boys in the galleries, and the sneerers among
    the pews, were hugely enjoying the discomforture, as they supposed,
    of the "strong-minded."  Some of the tender-skinned friends were on
    the point of losing dignity, and the atmosphere betokened a storm.
    When, slowly from her seat in the corner rose Sojourner Truth, who,
    till now, had scarcely lifted her head.  "Don't let her speak!" gasped
    half a dozen in my ear.  She moved slowly and solemnly to the front,
    laid her old bonnet at her feet, and turned her great speaking eyes
    to me.  There was a hissing sound of disapprobation above and below.
    I rose and announced "Sojourner Truth," and begged the audience to
    keep silence for a few moments.

    The tumult subsided at once, and every eye was fixed on this almost
    Amazon form, which stood nearly six feet high, head erect, and eyes
    piercing the upper air like one in a dream.  At her first word there
    was a profound hush.  She spoke, in deep tones, which, though not
    loud, reached every ear in the house, and away through the throng at
    the doors and windows.

    "Wall, chilern, whar dar is so much racket dar must be somethin'
    out o' kilter.  I tink dat 'twixt de niggers of de Souf and de womin
    at de Nouf, all talkin' 'bout rights, de white man will be in a fix
    pretty soon.  But what's all dis here talkin' 'bout?

    "Dat man ober dar say dat womin needs to be helped into carriages,
    and lifted ober ditches, and to hab de best place everywhar.  Nobody
    eber helps me in carriages, or ober mud-puddles, or gibs me any best
    place!"  And raising herself to her full height, and her voice to a
    pitch like rolling thunder, she asked, "And a'n't I a woman?  Look
    at me!  Look at my arm! (and she bared her right arm to the shoulder,
    showing her tremendous muscular power).  I have ploughed, and planted,
    and gathered into barns, and no man could head me!  And a'n't I a woman?
    I could work as much and eat as much as a man -- when I could get it --
    and bear de lash as well!  And a'n't I a woman?  I have borne thirteen
    children, and seen 'em mos' all sold off to slavery, and when I cried
    out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me!  And a'n't I a woman?

    "Den dey talks 'bout dis ting in de head; what dis dey call it?"
    ("Intellect," whispered some one near.)  "Dat's it, honey.  What's dat
    got to do wid womin's rights or nigger's rights?  If my cup won't hold
    but a pint, and yourn holds a quart, wouldn't ye be mean not to let me
    have my little half-measure full?"  And she pointed her significant
    figure, and sent a keen glance at the minister who had made the
    argument.  The cheering was long and loud.

    "Den dat little man in black dar, he say women can't have as much
    rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman!  Whar did your Christ
    come from?"  Rolling thunder couldn't have stilled that crown, as did
    those deep, wonderful tones, as she stood there with outstretched arms
    and eyes of fire.  Raising her voice still louder, she repeated,
    "Whar did your Christ come from?  From God and a woman!  Man had nothing
    to do wid Him."  Oh, what a rebuke that was to that little man.

    Turning again to another objector, she took up the defence of Mother
    Eve.  I can not follow her thruogh it all.  It was pointed, and witty,
    and solemn; eliciting at almost every sentence deafening applause; and
    she ended by asserting:  "If de fust woman God ever made was strong
    enough to turn de world upside down all alone, dese women togedder
    (and she glanced her eye over the platform) ought to be able to turn
    it back, and get it right side up again!  And now dey is asking to do
    it, de men better let 'em."  Long-continued cheering greeted this.
    "'Bleeged to ye for hearin' on me, and now ole Sojourner han't got
    nothin' more to say."

    Amid roars of applause, she returned to her corner, leaving more than
    one of us with streaming eyes, and hearts beating with gratitude.  She
    had taken us up in her strong arms and carried us safely over the
    slough of difficulty turning the whole tide in our favor.  I have never
    in my life seen anything like the magical influence that subdued the
    mobbish spirit of the day, and turned the sneers and jeers of an
    excited crowd into notes of respect and admiration.  Hundreds rushed
    up to shake hands with her, and congratulate the glorious old mother,
    and bid her God-speed on her mission of "testifyin' agin concerning
    the wickedness of this 'ere people."
539.2sorryDECWET::JWHITEjoy shared is joy doubledFri Nov 16 1990 12:236
    
    washington state allowed women to vote about 10 years before the
    usa as a whole. this year's voter's guide contained a section
    celebrating the suffrage movement that i was going to enter some
    excerpts from, but alas, i've thrown it away.
    
539.3more, more!GEMVAX::KOTTLERFri Nov 16 1990 12:4510
    
    Ann, thanks so much for entering that, and for starting this topic.
    
    When I voted last week, I couldn't help but think, looking around at
    the women, how easily we take our right to vote for granted; how it took 
    women in this country some 70 years to win that right, and what they had to 
    endure in the process of winning it...
    
    D.
     
539.4WMOIS::B_REINKEbread&rosesFri Nov 16 1990 13:183
    Every time I read that speech it makes me cry.
    
    Bonnie
539.5XCUSME::QUAYLEi.e. AnnFri Nov 16 1990 13:489
    Me, too.  I'm glad to read and re-read it, and let the tears flow. 
    
    Sojourner Truth's comments about the differences in intellectual
    ability really hit the mark.  Much food for thought here.
    
    Thank you for entering it, Ann, thank you very much.     
    
    aq
    
539.61911: Women against Suffrage 2:1MCIS2::POLLITZMon Nov 19 1990 18:40122
    
    re .0 Ann
    
    I don't know about modern reprint editions, but the MIT Hayden Library
    has all the volumes of 'History of Woman Suffrage.' I consulted these
    as a part of my research regarding the summer soapbox note 194.
    
    Regarding the extent of male influence/participation in 19th and 20th
    century Suffrage/Women's rights movements, a standard reference work is
    feminist Sylvia Strauss' 'Traitors to the Masculine Cause.' (1982)
    
    Strauss' work was pivitol regarding information on Holyoake and Ellis
    which follows.
    
    
                                On Suffrage:
    
    The Suffrage movement was started by a man. George Holyoake. Attendant
    movements were oft-times male driven.
    
    George Jacob Holyoake, who worked with Robert Owen, claimed parentage
    in his memoirs, Sixty Years of an Agitators Life' (1893).
    
    He said that as late as 1840, there was no sign of a woman's movement -
    despite a number of social injustices (ie in US/England, married women
    had few rights; couldn't sue, sign contracts, make wills, initiate
    divorce, own property outright, husband could collect her work income).
    
    Holyoake was amazed that women, aware of these things, hadn't got up
    and organized against the various injustices (ie form a political
    movement).
    
    He queried, "Why have they not formed a society for their own
    protection"?  Rhetorical questions: "If they want political rights why
    do they not themselves ask for them?  Where are the women's political
    unions, self-originated and self-sustained"?
    
    Holyoake encouraged women to start their own journals, with a female
    staff. (1)  He challenged women "to take their affairs into their own
    hands ... to draw up a list of their legal disabilities and then to
    take the constitutional means of redress by forming societies and 
    organizing public meetings. (2)
    
    Holyoake's journal 'The Free Press' kept up continual pressure over the
    years on these issues.
    
    In 1867, The Reform Bill passed in England, enabling 1 million urban
    males (working class) to vote. John Stuart Mills motion for female
    suffrage was defeated 194 to 73.
    
    Mills speech (5/20/1867) countered the arguements of Suffrage critics
    points, among them (to the arguement that the majority of women do not
    want suffrage):
    
    "If this be so it only proves that nearly all women are still under
    this deadening influence [their age-old conditioning], that the opiate
    still benumbs their mind and conscience. How do we know how many more
    thousands there are who have not asked for what they do not hope to
    get, either for fear of being ill thought of by men or by other women?
    ... At all events, those who do not care for the suffrage will not use
    it."
    
                      Susan B. Anthony on Female Resistance:
    
    "They are more conservative even than men, because of the narrowness
    and isolation of their lives ... and, stronger than all, perhaps, their 
    religious tendencies ... in all the generations [Everybody has]
    combined to retard the development of women, with the inevitable result
    that those of every class are narrower, more bigoted and less
    progressive than the men of that class." (3)
    
    "...The pioneers in the professions found their most trying opposition
    from other women... Married women almost universally were opposed to
    laws which would give them control of their property.. (4)
    
    "In the indifference, the inertia, the apathy of women lies the
    greatest obstacle to their enfranchisement." (5)
    
    Strauss mentions feminist sexologist Havelock Ellis, where I came
    across a devastating find:
    
    Strauss said Ellis was finding that public opinion, which was turning
    against the militant suffragettes of the early 20th century, was
    re-enforcing his views on women's role. Continual evidence showed that
    the *majority of women opposed the vote - a 1911 poll of 18,000 women
    showed only 5500 favored Suffrage*. Ellis felt women didn't want
    suffrage, their viewing it as a denial of their femininity. He started
    to embrace conservative views about roles and motherhood, in light of
    the female response. (6)
    
    The "Anti-Suffrage Essays by Mass. Women, 1916" have articles like
    'Woman Suffrage a Menace to Social Reform."
    
    Women were pretty conservative it appears, and the issue does not seem
    to have been the big *cause celebre* among that era's women that many
    contemporary feminists (Strauss excluded) have made it out to be.
    
    Indeed, less than a THIRD of 18,000 women in 1911 were FOR it.
    
    
    Sources:
    
    1. In the 1820's, Lowell, Ma factory women had 'The Lowell Offering'
    but no journals promoting women's causes (edited by women) were in
    general circulation.
    
    2. Strauss, Sylvia, 'Traitors to the Masculine Cause' (1982) citing 
    Holyoake's 'Sixty Years of an Agitator's Life,' London: T. Unwin, 1906,
    p. 222-23.
    
    3. Anthony, S.B., Harper, I.H. 'History of Woman Suffrage 4.
    1883-1900.' xxii
    
    4. Ibid, xxiii
    
    5. Ibid, xxiv
    
    6. Ellis, Havelock, 'The Task of Social Hygiene,' Darby, Pa: Arden
    Libr., 1912, p. 81
    
    
                                                 Russ P.
539.7Quaint current customULTRA::WITTENBERGSecure Systems for Insecure PeopleMon Nov 26 1990 16:556
    In a  recent  Risks  Digest, there was a note that in Durhan, NC a
    married  couple vote by both entering the voting booth and casting
    one  vote,  at  which  point  the woman leaves and the man casts a
    second vote.

--David
539.8women's suffering --> women's suffrage?GEMVAX::KOTTLERThu Apr 11 1991 09:5821
I wasn't sure where to put this. Is there some precedent, I wonder, for
considering women's capacity to endure torture and rape a criterion for
giving them the vote? 
 

"The Kuwaiti emir's announcement yesterday that parliamentary elections 
would be held 'next year' has left opposition groups still doubting the 
ruling al-Sabah family's commitment to parliamentary democracy.

"The promise, one of many on democracy, was made in a characteristically 
vague speech by Sheikh Jaber al-Ahmed al-Sabah during a televised address to 
the nation....

"In the same speech, Jaber also promised to 'study' the issue of women 
voting in future parliamentary elections. Women, he said, had proved their 
endurance and strength during the crisis. A number of Kuwaiti women were 
tortured and raped during the Iraqui occupation...."

	-- from an article in the Christian Science Monitor, April 9, 1991