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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1078
Total number of notes:52352

464.0. "A discussion point." by AUSSIE::WHORLOW (D R A B C = action plan) Fri Oct 19 1990 00:00

    G'day,
     A news? item on  Sydney radio station today informed listeners that
    the Sex Olympics had rcently been run? in Holland.
    
    Apparently the gold medal went to a mother and daughter team.
    Apparently they managed? some 218 men, between them in 12 hours.
    
    
    A comment was made that doctors said not to try this unless
    professionally trained.
    
    Personally, I would rather have not been informed of this bit of
    information. But having now informed the band of learned and vociferous
    readers, what is their considered opinion?
    
    Does this constitute 'news'? Under what heading should it be placed?
    
    derek
    
    
    
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464.1What station do you listen to???LRCSNL::WALESDavid from Down-underFri Oct 19 1990 01:3517
    G'Day Derek,
    
    	What station was this on - 2JJJ-FM???  If it was then I didn't hear
    it and I am an avid listener of triple J.
    
    	As for the actual subject, it depends on what 218 men in 12 hours
    really means.  It comes down to 18 men/hr for two people or 9 per hour
    per woman - say 6.5 mins each.  Now this would be easily achievable for
    most women (assuming they were willing).  If all 218 men had to achieve
    orgasm in order to count is unknown.  For some men, achieving orgasm in
    6 mins might be a problem.  Did they have to or did they simply have to
    partake in the activity to count as 'one'?
    
    David.
    
    
    
464.2CSC32::CONLONCosmic laughter, you bet.Fri Oct 19 1990 01:3912
    
    	RE: .0
    
    	> Personally, I would rather have not been informed of this bit 
    	> of information. 
    
    	Funny that it didn't occur to you that others might feel the
    	same way (before you posted it where ~10,000 Digital employees
    	might be likely to read it in the next week or two.)
    
    	What was your point in bringing this here?
    
464.3discussionSNOC02::WRIGHTPINK FROGSFri Oct 19 1990 03:172
    re: .2  Try reading the last 2 paragraphs. 
    
464.4RAVEN1::JERRYWHITEJoke 'em if they can't take a ...Fri Oct 19 1990 05:515
    
    Bet they didn't ride their mopeds home !  Wonder if this will get in
    the book of world records ?  
    
    Jerry (who bet's Mr.#218 was a lonely guy ... 8^)
464.5Misery loves a whole lot of company??CSC32::CONLONCosmic laughter, you bet.Fri Oct 19 1990 08:5214
    
    	RE: .3
    
    	> Try reading the last 2 paragraphs.
    
    	Uh - the text I quoted *was* from one of the last two paragraphs.
    
    	It still doesn't make sense to me that this person wished he hadn't
    	heard this news, yet couldn't stop himself from sharing it with a
    	file of mostly women Digital employees (with a readership in the
    	neighborhood of 10,000.)
    
    	Why didn't it occur to him that some people might not appreciate 
    	having the news entered as a basenote here?
464.7BTOVT::THIGPEN_Swho, me?Fri Oct 19 1990 10:406
    I vote yes for removal, the incident does not deserve notice or
    reporting.
    reminds me of an episode from "I Claudius" - the roman aristocracy had
    the excuse of ignorant but self-inflicted lead poisoning.
    
    gosh there are stupid people everywhere
464.8Just Say NO...to CensorshipWR2FOR::COSTELLO_KEJim Morrison...A Tragic HeroFri Oct 19 1990 10:5911
    I vote no for removal.  Removal would be censorship, and for those
    of us who thought this was fairly humorous (especially the .1 reply)
    please leave it intact.  I may not agree with the men or the woman
    who participated in this sort of contest, but I don't mind knowing
    that it actually happens.  I'd much rather hear about this sort
    of thing than the rainforests being destroyed or some gross murder.
    I just don't think it's anything to get personally offended about.
    
    Kel
    
    p.s.  Did they score extra points for creativity????  :^)
464.9The envelope, please ....CUPMK::SLOANEThe Sloane Ranger writes again!Fri Oct 19 1990 11:177
    I rate it (10 is highest):
    
    Humor             3   
    Bad taste         9
    Creativity        5
        \
         \_(the contest, not the note)
464.10GLITER::STHILAIREFood, Shelter & DiamondsFri Oct 19 1990 11:326
    re .0, I'd like to know what the runners-up were able to manage, so I
    can be suitably impressed by the accomplishment of the mother-daughter
    team.
    
    Lorna
    
464.11in MY country??UTROP1::DRAGSTRA_LFri Oct 19 1990 12:598
    With Holland do you mean the Netherlands??
    I live in Amsterdam (Neth.) and haven't heard of any such event.
    Not that I would be interested in reading about it, but it occurred to
    me that it might be something that is 1) blasted out of proportion or
    2)totally imaginated by some frustrated journalist who didn't have any
    news worth reporting.
    
    Lindy
464.12HLFS00::RHM_MALLOdancing the night awayFri Oct 19 1990 13:003
    Haven't heard about it either, and knowing the Dutch newspapers.....
    
    Charles
464.13If Olympians do the 440 in seconds doesn't mean I have to...CYCLST::DEBRIAEthe social change one...Fri Oct 19 1990 13:048
    
    	Why did some of you find that offensive? Because it dealt with a
    	sexual topic? Because of the way one woman was free to express her
    	sexuality? At most I could find it distasteful, but not offensive
    	or calling for censorship.
    
    	-Erik
    
464.14I probably shouldn't, but here goes...BTOVT::THIGPEN_Swho, me?Fri Oct 19 1990 13:2525
    OK, you're right, I take back my vote for deleting.  But here's why
    I find it distasteful:
    
    1)  this is the era of AIDS.  How can this action be countenanced as
    responsible? even if condoms were used?
    
    2)  it goes way, far, near the max, beyond my own personal bounds to
    morality.  Yah, I know, but I can't help but feel that 9 per hr is past
    the bounds of normal "expression of sexuality" for any man or woman.
    Personal opinion.
    
    3) not because it deals with a sexual topic.  Because it seems to
    _extoll_ what (to me) qualifies as abberrant sexual behavior.
    
    4) the contest treats both men and women as sexual objects (as opposed
    to sexual beings) IMO
    
    I guess I classify such a contest as a form of pornography.  Community
    standards, and all that.  Can't define it, but know it when I see it.
    Rathole alert: the mother/daughter-team part - is this sexual abuse?
            
    A crazy person I knew once tried to convince me that the porn that s/he
    (sex of crazy person not important) subscribed to was Great Art.  I
    object to porn being put forward as legit.  That's why I object to
    this.
464.16CSS::MSMITHGimme some of that mystical moonshine.Fri Oct 19 1990 13:594
    This base note sounds like a bit of chain yanking to me.  I wouldn't
    take it too seriously.
    
    Mike
464.17No negative intent...CYCLST::DEBRIAEthe social change one...Fri Oct 19 1990 15:3119
    RE: .15
    
    > what motivated you to ask the questions?
    
    	Um, was that to me?? 
    
    	If it was, I asked simply because:
    
    		- I was honestly curious as to why someone might feel this
    		  way
    		- I had a guess for what a reason could be and wanted to
    		  see if I was right because...
    		- I wanted to make sure I was not totally unaware of a women's
    		  issue I just hadn't run into before.
    
    	Did that help any?	
    
    	-Erik 
    		
464.18AUSSIE::WHORLOWD R A B C = action planSun Oct 21 1990 22:5131
    G'day,
    
    Let's see if I can answer some of the questions from along the way..
    
    
    No - it was 2-Day FM
    
    
    Yes it was the Netherlands, reputed to have taken place in Amsterdam
    
    No it was not an officially sanctioned Olympic Intrnational Committee
    function 
    
    
    Yes I did very much consider the thoughts that others may not want to
    know - hence my statement that I preferred not to know..... Ialmost
    deleted it a couple of times when writing. 
    
    
    BUT I was interested in what constitutes news, what the panel _really_
    thought.. 
    
    Indeed the thoughts about AIDS etc made me wonder if such reporting was
    irresponsible... if so, then will reporting of less willingly arranged
    sexual activity be reduced, as it might incite others...... where
    should the line be drawn? It is a well known phenomenon - the
    self-fulfilling prophecy....
    
    
    derek
    
464.20Just Say NO...vol. 2USWRSL::SHORTT_LAMon Oct 22 1990 21:4614
    
    RE: .8
    
    Way to go Kel.  This was my first thought when folks were discussing
    deleting it.  Glad you got to it first and effectively put my .02
    cents in before it occcured.
    
    Ironically, my second thought ran in the same direction as yours.
    I'd also like to know how they qualified for this contest :*)  !
    
    
                                  L.J.