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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1078
Total number of notes:52352

407.0. "Women For War" by --UnknownUser-- () Fri Sep 28 1990 13:38

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407.1ASDS::BARLOWCare to tango?Mon Oct 01 1990 09:508
     
    While I don't support war in general, I do believe that there are
    certain situations where war is a necessary means to an end.  For
    example, how else could Hitler have been squelched?  (Aside from the
    US and Britian acting where Hitler first invaded France)
    
    Rachael
    
407.3PROXY::SCHMIDTThinking globally, acting locally!Mon Oct 01 1990 12:4756
  Placed in the "Women for War" note just because that's where this
  thread turned up while I was <Enter>ing my way through...  I'm also
  writing this from somewhat old memories so I'm sure someone will
  be happy to supply all the corrections and amplifications necessary.

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  In support of .1 and .2, there was an interesting series of arti-
  cles in "Scientific American" a ways back exploring "The Prisoner's
  Dilemna" and other related things.  One of the related things was
  the general question of "how should party 2 respond to party 1 if
  party 2 is trying to maximize their own benefit from the interaction?"

  (As I recall, when it all worked out, how party 2 should reply
  didn't depend much on what party 1's motives were, although the
  overall outcome (the overall success) was strongly dependent upon
  both parties being motivated towards the best mutual outcome.)

  That's a stilted way of putting it.  A few concrete examples might
  be:

    o We're business associates.  Either of us can make a good
      short-term profit by screwing the other on the next deal.
      Is that a tactic that will maximize my long-term profit?

    o We're neighboring countries of nominally equal strength.
      A attacks B; How should B respond to maximize its long
      term prospects?


  Now, many, many different strategies were proposed and set against
  each other in computer models.  (Various probabilities of outcomes
  were assigned as a sensitivity analysis.)  It turns out that one
  of the best general-purpose strategies is "Tit-for-tat".  Whatever
  you do to me on your "turn", I do to you *ONCE* on my "turn".

  So, as long as we're business associates and *NOT* screwing each
  other, we keep dealing honestly.  If you screw me on a deal, I do
  it once in retaliation and you, a rational opponent stop doing it.

  If you attack a bit of my country, I fight back in approximately
  equal retaliation.


  All kinds of opposing strategies were tried ranging all the way
  from passivism to the computer equivalent of "You touch me I 
  permanently break your face."  In many individual encounters
  in nearly all free-for-all encounters, the computer entity(ies)
  using the Tit-for-Tat strategy ended up at the top of the heap.

  (Obviously, even being at the top of the heap wasn't very good
  if an opponent was playing using a strategy like "If you so much
  as insult me I'll vaporize the entire planet with thermonuclear
  weapons.)

                                   Atlant