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| Thanks to Allison for typing this in and giving me permission to
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Note 274.29 Stumbling blocks to communication 29 of 30
SAGE::SZKLARZ "Can't you hear? My silence screams!" 354 lines 29-AUG-1990 14:52
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Found it! It is from the book:
PLEASE UNDERSTAND ME By Keirsey & Bates
To interpret the test I also included the "sorter" sheet. I think it's
pretty self explanatory, but if not let me know and I'll try to dechiper
it.
LSN
The KEIRSEY TEMPERAMENT SORTER
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1. At a party do you:
a) interact with many, including strangers
b) interact with few, known to you
2. Are you more
a) realistic then speculative
b) speculative than realistic
3. Is it worse to:
a) have you head in the clouds
b) be "in a rut"
4. Are you more impressed by
a) principles
b) emotions
5. Are you more drawn toward the
a) convincing
b) touching
6. Do you prefer to work
a) to deadlines
b) just "whenever"
7. Do you tend to chose
a) rather carefully
b) somewhat impulsively
8. At parties do you
a) stay late, with increasing energy
b) leave early, with decreased energy
9. Are you more attracted to
a) sensible people
b) imaginative people
10. Are you more interested in
a) what is actual
b) what is possible
11. In judging others are you more swayed by
a) laws than circumstances
b) circumstances than laws
12. In approaching other is you inclination to be somewhat
a) objective
b) personal
13. Are you more
a) punctual
b) leisurely
14. Does it bother you more having things
a) incomplete
b) completed
15. In your social groups do you
a) keep abreast of other's happening
b) get behind on the news
16. In doing ordinary things are you more likely to
a) do it the usual way
b) do it your own way
17. Writers should
a) "say what they mean and mean what they say"
b) express things more by use of analogy
18. Which appeals to you more
a) consistency of thought
b) harmonious human relationships
19. Are you more comfortable in making
a) logical judgments
b) value judgments
20. Do you want things
a) settled and decided
b) unsettled and undecided
21. Would you say you are more
a) serious and determined
b) easy going
22. In phoning do you
a) rarely question that it will all be said
b) rehearse what you will say
23. Facts
a) "speak for themselves"
b) illustrate principles
24. Are visionaries
a) somewhat annoying
b) somewhat fascinating
25. Are you more often
a) a cool-headed person
b) a warm hearted person
26. Is it worse to be
a) unjust
b) merciless
27. Should one usually let events occur
a) by careful selection and choice
b) randomly and by chance
28. Do you fell better about
a) having purchased
b) having the option to buy
29. In company do you
a) initiate conversation
b) wait to be approached
30. Common sense is
a) rarely questionable
b) frequently questionable
31. Children often do no
a) make themselves useful enough
b) exercise their fantasy enough
32. In making decision do you feel more comfortable with
a) standards
b) feelings
33. Are you more
a) firm than gentle
b) gentle than firm
34. Which is more admirable
a) the ability to organize and be methodical
b) the ability to adapt and make do
35. DO you put more value one the
a) definite
b) open-ended
36. Does new and non-routine interaction with others
a) stimulate and energize you
b) tax your reserves
37. Are you more frequently
a) a practical sort of person
b) a fanciful sort of person
38. Are you more likely to
a) see how others are useful
b) see how others see
39. Which is more satisfying
a) to discuss an issue thoroughly
b) to arrive at agreement on an issue
40. Which rule you more
a) your head
b) your heard
41. Are you more comfortable with work that is
a) contracted
b) done on a casual basis
42. DO you rend to look for
a) the orderly
b) whatever turns up
43. Do you prefer
a) many friends with brief contact
b) a few friends with more lengthy contact
44. Do you go more by
a) facts
b) principles
45. Are you more interested in
a) production and distribution
b) design and research
46. Which is more of a compliment
a) there is a very logical person
b) there is a very sentimental person
47. Do you value in yourself more that you are
a) unwavering
b) devoted
48. Do you more often prefer the
a) final and unalterable statement
b) tentative and preliminary statement
49. Are you more comfortable
a) after a decision
b) before a decision
50. Do you
a) speak easily and at length with strangers
b) find little to say to strangers
51. Are you more likely to trust your
a) experience
b) hunch
52. Do you feel
a) more practical than ingenious
b) more ingenious than practical
53. Which person is more to be complimented one of
a) clear reason
b) strong feelings
54. Are you inclined more to be
a) fair minded
b) sympathetic
55. Is it preferable mostly to
a) make sure things are arranged
b) just let things happen
56. In relationships should most things be
a) re negotiable
b) random and circumstantial
57. When the phone rings do you
a) hasten to get it first
b) hope someone else will answer
58. DO you price more in yourself
a) a strong sense of reality
b) a vivid imagination
59. Are you drawn more to
a) fundamentals
b) overtones
60. Which seems the greater error
a) to be too passionate
b) to be too objective
61. Do you see yourself as basically
a) hard headed
b) soft heated
62. Which situation appeals to you more
a) the structured and scheduled
b) the unstructured and unscheduled
63. Are you a person that is more
a) routine than whimsical
b) whimsical than routine
64. Are you more inclined to be
a) easy to approach
b) somewhat reserved
65. In writings do you prefer
a) the more literal
b) the more figurative
66. Is it harder for you to
a) identify with others
b) utilize others
67. Which do you wish more for yourself
a) clarity of reason
b) strength of compassion
68. Which is the greater fault
a) being indiscriminate
b) being critical
69. Do you prefer the
a) planned event
b) unplanned event
70. Do you tend to be more
a) deliberate than spontaneous
b) spontaneous than deliberate
Sorter
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To sort your answers: for each question check the appropriate
A or B column. Total Each column, and then totals the column
totals as described.
A B A B A B A B A B A B A B
1 __ __ 2 __ __ 3 __ __ 4 __ __ 5 __ __ 6 __ __ 7 __ __
8 __ __ 9 __ __ 10 __ __ 11 __ __ 12 __ __ 13 __ __ 14 __ __
15 __ __ 16 __ __ 17 __ __ 18 __ __ 19 __ __ 20 __ __ 21 __ __
22 __ __ 23 __ __ 24 __ __ 25 __ __ 26 __ __ 27 __ __ 28 __ __
29 __ __ 30 __ __ 31 __ __ 32 __ __ 33 __ __ 34 __ __ 35 __ __
36 __ __ 37 __ __ 38 __ __ 39 __ __ 40 __ __ 41 __ __ 42 __ __
43 __ __ 44 __ __ 45 __ __ 46 __ __ 47 __ __ 48 __ __ 49 __ __
50 __ __ 51 __ __ 52 __ __ 53 __ __ 54 __ __ 55 __ __ 56 __ __
57 __ __ 58 __ __ 59 __ __ 60 __ __ 61 __ __ 62 __ __ 63 __ __
64 __ __ 65 __ __ 66 __ __ 67 __ __ 68 __ __ 69 __ __ 70 __ __
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __
1 2 3 4 3 4 5 6 5 6 7 8 7 8
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
E I S N T F J P
Extrovert Sensing Thinking Judging
Introvert iNtuition Feeling Perceiving
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| 345.2 | | XCUSME::QUAYLE | i.e. Ann | Wed Aug 29 1990 16:55 | 11 |
| In one of the other strings someone mentioned her 4 letter MB category.
I'd be interested to hear of others, if any of you are willing to share
the info.
I'm an INFJ, although I was borderline E... a case of environment over
preference I think. That is, I'm an introvert but circumstances have
forced me toward extroversion and I've found that to be quite pleasant
- until I'm tired.
aq
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| 345.3 | | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Wed Aug 29 1990 17:22 | 10 |
| INFP - (31, 51, 37, 5)
re: N, 51 - guess I really hate working with "known facts" :-)
P, 5 - not *quite* as spontaneous as I'd like to think,
I guess!
Lorna (the one who already put it in another reply)
P.S. I'd be interested in seeing others, also!
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| 345.4 | I don't get it...! | HOO78C::VISSERS | Dutch Comfort | Wed Aug 29 1990 17:34 | 7 |
| Waitamoment... can I do a nerd call? For the sorter you add all the A's
and B's columns, then 1 goes to E, 2 goes to I, the 3's go to S, the
4's go to N, etc?
How did you come up with those figures, Lorna?
Ad
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| 345.5 | sorry... | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Wed Aug 29 1990 17:42 | 8 |
| re .4, I didn't have to come up with those figures. Two different
times I've been in groups at Digital where they administered the tests
to us, and the person who gave us the test came up with the figures.
It was fun, actually. I just happened to find one of my report forms
when I recently changed jobs and cleaned my office.
Lorna
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| 345.6 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Wed Aug 29 1990 17:44 | 16 |
| Nope. The answer to question 1 goes to E or I. The answers to 2 and 3
go to N or S, 4 and 5 go to F or T, 6 and 7 go to S or P and 8 goes to E or I
again and so on. Using the form in .1, add up all the a's and B's in column
1. If the number of A's is higher the number of b's you're an E(xtrovert).
The greater the number of a's the greater the preference. All the other letters
each get TWO columns. So the number of a's in columns 2 and 3 determines
your N vs.S preference. Columns 4 and 5 determine F vs. T. Columns 6 and 7
determine J versus P.
Did that help or did I confuse things even more?
A suggestion: just answer the questions first. Don't try to score
as you go; it could change your result.
Tracey
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| 345.7 | Can we have your votes from Holland, please? | HOO78C::VISSERS | Dutch Comfort | Wed Aug 29 1990 17:54 | 12 |
| Ah, OK, Tracey and Lorna, now I see. I did it right the first time but
I didn't come up with anything looking like Lorna's figures so I
thought I goofed it up (I was talking about the numbers at the bottom
of the sorter, not about the numbers of the questions). Thanks!
E 5 S 10 T 8 J 14
I 5 I 10 F 12 P 6
^^^^^^^^^^^
does this mean I'm well-balanced or just boring mainstream? ;-)
Ad
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| 345.8 | | MILKWY::JLUDGATE | someone shot our innocence | Wed Aug 29 1990 17:58 | 7 |
|
based on the short test that was posted, i'm INP, splitting TF 10/10.
re: whoever asked about lorna......it sounds like she took the long
form of the test...the 300 question one....NOT to be confused with
version 4.0 of the Purity test (500 questions)
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| 345.9 | not bad for an introvert? :-) | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Wed Aug 29 1990 18:12 | 4 |
| 62.5 on the purity test!
Lorna
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| 345.10 | | ASHBY::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Wed Aug 29 1990 19:05 | 14 |
| The purity test is flawed because there seems to be two distinct
groups: the 60%'s and the 90%'s. Guess why.
Anyway: E=10 S=6 T=8 J=9
I=0 N=14 F=12 P=11
Well, I guess I'm extroverted (as if anyone that knows me would doubt
that, although I really prefer that the person who is closest to the
phone should answer it =) ), but as for the others I guess I'm
intuitive but the others are just about even.
Lisa
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| 345.11 | | XCUSME::QUAYLE | i.e. Ann | Wed Aug 29 1990 19:31 | 14 |
| One interesting point about Introverts and Extroverts: For a long time
introverts have been [loosely] defined as shy, and extroverts as
outgoing. Not so with MB, rather it was explained to me that for a
quick take on your I or E standing, ask yourself, "When I'm really
tired, dragged out, stressed out, and maybe even depressed, which
sounds better to me - time with friends or home alone?"
In my case it's home alone for renewal, and parties and other social
goodtimes when I'm up for them. However, I have friends who, when
weary, seek out social occasions to renew themselves. And at least one
offspring who practically doesn't exist unless there are people around.
aq
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| 345.12 | Typical engineer? | DECWET::DADDAMIO | Testing proves testing works | Wed Aug 29 1990 19:58 | 13 |
| The results for me were ESTJ. I took this test at the last company I
worked for. They found that over 50% of the engineers in the company
that were tested (they tried to get all of them since it wasn't a huge
company) had type _STJ (i.e. E or I didn't matter). As Ann pointed out
in .11, I discovered that I am a shy extravert which the instructor
said was usually harder for the person to deal with than being a shy
introvert.
We also received a lot of good information on how to apply these types
to dealing with people at work either as peers or in a management
situation.
Jan
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| 345.13 | but then I don't like gerbils | WMOIS::B_REINKE | We won't play your silly game | Wed Aug 29 1990 22:46 | 7 |
| I scored very low on the purity test..
but that one was strange..
tomorrow I'll do the myers-briggs
B
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| 345.14 | | LEZAH::BOBBITT | water, wind, and stone | Wed Aug 29 1990 23:44 | 9 |
| Of course, one must be aware of which purity test one is taking, the
100 question test (Male, Female, or non-gender-specific version), the
247 question test, the 400 question test, or the 500 question test.
The higher-number question tests generally yield higher purity scores
because there are so many really off-key questions in them (and their
scores are divided so as to still provide a percentile score...)...
-Jody
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| 345.15 | pointer | LEZAH::BOBBITT | water, wind, and stone | Thu Aug 30 1990 00:01 | 8 |
| Please see also:
Psychology notesfile
125 - Myers-Briggs Type Indicator
-Jody
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| 345.16 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Thu Aug 30 1990 08:49 | 29 |
| Probably means that your preference is one thing, but your
circumstances are forcing to act the other to a certain extent.
The facilitator that we had suggested that when you had a "tie" or a
lack of a clear cut preference, to read the description of both types and see
which fits you better. Also bear in mind that 75% of people are extrovert,
so the odds are you are an E. Also 75% of people are Sensing so odds are that
you are an S. So you are *Probably* an ESFJ. But you ought to read the
descriptions of an ISFJ, an INFJ and an ENFJ to see which fits you best.
The facilitator that we had stressed that if you diagree with your type
then the type is wrong. YOU are the final arbiter.
The book that I referred to in .0 (and from which this test came) is
_Please_Understand_Me_ by David Kiersey and Marilyn Bates. ISBN #0-9606954-0-0
Distributed by Prometheus Nemesis Book Company
PO Box 2748
Del Mar, Ca, 92014
I had Waldenbooks order my copy for me. Took less than 4 weeks to
get in.
I'll be entering some information today about the preferences. I'll
only be entering excerpts because 1) my time is limited (and I'm a horrible
typist) and 2) I don't want to grossly violate the copyright laws. (I'm
justifying what I do put in by saying that it will pique your curiosity enough
to go out and get the book. :-) )
Tracey
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| 345.17 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Thu Aug 30 1990 09:07 | 4 |
| Oops, something went weird with my unseen map. Guess I should specify
that .16 was in re: .7
Tracey
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| 345.18 | ?!? | VIA::HEFFERNAN | Juggling Fool | Thu Aug 30 1990 09:29 | 8 |
| What's this about a purity test???
Is it for poltical correctness?
Is it for chasteness?
I have no comment on either of my grades. ;-P
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| 345.19 | ENXJ, no surprise there | HANCOK::D_CARROLL | Assume nothing | Thu Aug 30 1990 10:34 | 23 |
| Well i took the test last night but I wasn't aware (as I was told
by someone who had more instructions) that it was okay not to answer
questions. There were questions I was totally ambivalent about, no
preference, so I just picked one. This might have skewed the results.
I am EN{T|F}J - I was split 50/50 on the thinking/feeling part. This
is sort of what I expected - even reading the two descriptions I said
to myself "Oh, I'm *both*!!" I was "J" by only a slim margin, and I
suspect if I redid the test and left out the questions I was ambivalent
on that it would be even closer. I was sort of surprised at the "N",
but I don't know whether I agree or not. The "E" was most emphatical. :-)
Interesting observation (to me anyway): most of the questions were about
how you *feel* (eg: What's your favorite this, what do you value most, etc.)
But the question abouts Extrovert/Introvert were mostly *behavioral* in
nature (eg: What do you *do* in this situation?). I think this yields
different results, at least in my case...because I don't *feel* like
an extrovert. in fact, I used to be quite introverted, but very unhappy
about it, so I made a very concious effort to become an extrovert. So
sometimes I do things (like talk to many people I don't know at parties)
that doesn't come naturally but is a force of will.
D!
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| 345.20 | | VALKYR::RUST | | Thu Aug 30 1990 10:40 | 15 |
| As of '86, I was an ISTP (35, 5, 31, 7). (I've been through some
changes since then, and it would be interesting to see if my scores
have shifted much.
The whole thing made wonderful sense to me - not only for helping to
understand some things about myself, but for seeing how others might
view things. And one very interesting thing came out of this; when my
folks were visiting me recently, my mother noticed my score sheet in
the bookcase and mentioned that she'd had it done, too. Much to my
surprise, she said she was an introvert - and here I'd always thought
of her as the "joiner," the social, outgoing one. I suppose she's one
of the "non-shy introverts"; anyhow, it startled me to find that I
didn't recognize one of my own basic tendencies in my mother.
-b
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| 345.21 | And very eye-opening, I suppose. | SELECT::GALLUP | everyone's a psyched Lone Ranger | Thu Aug 30 1990 11:03 | 29 |
|
When I took the long version of this test I was an
E 17
N 39
F 19
P 47
I just took the short test (in .1) and am an
E 7
N 14
F 11
P 13
Comparing the two, they are almost identical. On N and P
where I got very high scores on the first test, I also got
high scores on the second test. The E and F where lower, but
still significant.
Interesting.
kath
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| 345.22 | the same old me | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Thu Aug 30 1990 11:16 | 16 |
| re .11, this doesn't fit me. On the Myers-Briggs test I came out as
definitely introverted (31), and I have always been a quiet person but
when I'm stressed out or depressed I would much rather be with other
people than alone. Actually, when I'm stressed out I would rather be
alone, but when I'm depressed I'd rather be with other people.
I took the test for the first time in 1985 and then took it again this
summer. In the five years since I took the last test I have gotten
divorced, lived with two different men, moved four times, changed jobs
3 times, lived apart from my daughter for 4 yrs., my mother almost
died and became completely senile, and I discovered womannotes and
became a feminist. But, I still got almost the identical scores on
the test! I can't believe none of that stuff changed me.
Lorna
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| 345.23 | Mmmh | HOO78C::VISSERS | Dutch Comfort | Thu Aug 30 1990 13:07 | 8 |
| Actually I did see some changes compared to tests taken earlier. Not
that it was the same test, but I used to come out definitely on the I
side while I'm now coming out in "balance". And what Tracey says in .16
is definitely true, I do prefer the E side.
Is it fair to compare different tests for results (globally)?
Ad
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| 345.24 | A different short form MB Test | SONATA::ERVIN | Roots & Wings... | Thu Aug 30 1990 13:15 | 158 |
|
This is a different version of the short form of the MB test that I
have in my files from when I worked at a different company. It might
be fun to compare the similarities/differences in scores between the
short test posted earier and this one. I have taken this short form
twice and my scores have changed...things have gotten more balanced.
Gee I wonder what *that* means.
********************************************************************
The following items are arranged in pairs (a and b), and each member of the
pair represents a preference you may or may not hold. Rate your preference
for each item by giving it a score of 0 to 5 (0 meaning you really feel
negative about it or strongly about the other member of the pair, 5 meaning
you strongly prefer it or do not prefer the other member of the pair). The
scores for a and b MUST ADD UP to 5 (0 and 5, 1 and 4, etc.). Do not use
fractions such as 2 and 1/2.
The test:
I PREFER:
1a. _____making decisions after finding out what others think.
1b. _____making decisions without consulting others.
2a. _____being called imaginative or intuitive.
2b. _____being called factual and accurate.
3a. _____making decisions about people in organizations based on
available data and systematic analysis of situations.
3b. _____making decisions about people in organizations based on empathy,
feelings, and understanding of their needs and values.
4a. _____allowing commitments to occur if others want to make them.
4b. _____pushing for definite commitments to ensure that they are made.
5a. _____quiet, thoughtful time alone.
5b. _____active, energetic time with people.
6a. _____using methods I know well that are effective to get the job done.
6b. _____trying to think of new methods of doing tasks when confronted
with them.
7a. _____drawing conclusions based on unemotional logic and careful
step-by-step analysis.
7b. _____drawing conclusions based on what I feel and believe about life
and people from past experience.
8a. _____avoiding making deadlines.
8b. _____setting a schedule and sticking to it.
9a. _____talking awhile and then thinking to myself about the subject.
9b. _____talking freely for an extended period and thinking to myself at
a later time.
10a. ____thinking about possibilities.
10b. ____dealing with actualities.
11a. ____being thought of as a thinking person.
11b. ____being thought of as a feeling person.
12a. ____considering every possible angle for a long time before and after
making a decision.
12b. ____getting the information I need, considering it for a while, and
then making a fairly quick, firm decision.
13a. ____inner thoughts and feelings others cannot see.
13b. ____activities and occurrences in which others join.
14a. ____the abstract or theoretical.
14b. ____the concrete or real.
15a. ____helping others explore their feelings.
15b. ____helping others make logical decisions.
16a. ____change and keeping options open.
16b. ____predictability and knowing in advance.
17a. ____communicating little of my inner thinking and feelings.
17b. ____communicating freely my inner thinking and feelings.
18a. ____possible views of the whole.
18b. ____the factual details available.
19a. ____using common sense and conviction to make decisions.
19b. ____using data, analysis, and reason to make decisions.
20a. ____planning ahead based on projections.
20b. ____planning as necessities arise, just before carrying out the plans.
21a. ____meeting new people.
21b. ____being alone or with one person I know well.
22a. ____ideas.
22b. ____facts.
23a. ____convictions.
23b. ____verifiable conclusions.
24a. ____keeping appointments and notes about commitments in notebooks or
in appointment books as much as possible.
24b. ____using appointment books and notebooks as minimally as possible
(although I may use them).
25a. ____discussing a new, unconsidered issue at length in a group.
25b. ____puzzling out issues in my mind, then sharing the results with
another person.
26a. ____carying out carefully laid, detailed plans with precision.
26b. ____designing plans and structures without necessarily carrying them
out.
27a. ____logical people.
27b. ____feeling people.
28a. ____being free to do things on the spur of the moment.
28b. ____knowing well in advance what I am expected to do.
29a. ____being the center of attention.
29b. ____being reserved.
30a. ____imagining the nonexistent.
30b. ____examining details of the actual.
31a. ____experiencing emotional situations, discussions, movies.
31b. ____using my ability to analyze situations.
32a. ____starting meetings at a prearranged time.
32b. ____starting meetings when all are comfortable or ready.
SCORING:
Transfer your scores for each item of each pair to the appropriate blanks.
Be careful to check the a and b letters to be sure you are recording scores
in the right blank spaces. The total the scores for each dimension.
Dimension Dimension Dimension Dimension
1b.____ 1a.____ 2a.____ 2b.____ 3a.____ 3b.____ 4a.____ 4b.____
5a.____ 5b.____ 6b.____ 6a.____ 7a.____ 7b.____ 8a.____ 8b.____
9a.____ 9b.____ 10a.____ 10b.____ 11a.____ 11b.____ 12a.____ 12b.____
13a.____ 13b.____ 14a.____ 14b.____ 15b.____ 15a.____ 16a.____ 16b.____
17a.____ 17b.____ 18a.____ 18b.____ 19b.____ 19a.____ 20b.____ 20a.____
21b.____ 21a.____ 22a.____ 22b.____ 23b.____ 23a.____ 24b.____ 24a.____
25b.____ 25a.____ 26b.____ 26a.____ 27a.____ 27b.____ 28a.____ 28b.____
29b.____ 29a.____ 30a.____ 30b.____ 31b.____ 31a.____ 32b.____ 32a.____
I _____ E _____ N _____ S _____ T _____ F _____ P _____ J _____
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| 345.25 | | LEZAH::BOBBITT | water, wind, and stone | Thu Aug 30 1990 13:39 | 9 |
| When I last took the long test, I was
I (43)
N (23)
F (5)
J (39)
-Jody
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| 345.26 | this may not be a great idea, to enter this. | SKYLRK::OLSON | Partner in the Almaden Train Wreck! | Thu Aug 30 1990 14:00 | 24 |
| I'm having a weird reaction to all of this. I've taken the MB tests at
leats once before, maybe twice; I'm not sure, and I don't remember ever
even knowning the numerical scores, just the letters. And I've
forgotten those. And I don't mind having forgotten. But the weird
part of my reaction, the part in me that I don't understand, is this
little voice inside that says "you don't even *want* to take the tests,
you don't want to *know*." I think its because I've had my life goals
and values under such flux, on purpose, since I left 8+ years of
military conditioning and suppression just 2.5 years ago. I think I
want to go on developing my own sense of self without any input or
feedback, because I don't think I'm settled now, and wouldn't want
and interfering feedback that would make me judge myself on a work-
in-progress. Does that make sense to anybody? When I look at the
flip side, when I feel like I'm only fooling myself, yet force myself
to look at the question anyway, is that I'm too insecure to look at
the tests. Anybody else totally ambivalent, or actively avoiding
this exercise?
DougO
PS- I'm *not* looking for people to judge me on my lack of willingness
to take the test. I'm looking for people to explore it with me. ok?
Thanks for being gentle with me.
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| 345.27 | | ASHBY::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Thu Aug 30 1990 14:09 | 13 |
| Well, I took the other one.
I=14 S=19 F=20 J=18
E=26 N=21 T=20 P=22
Other than I'm still extroverted, it looks like I'm really mushy.
BTW, my group is taking a course called Understanding Your Style.
Guess what I just got in inter-office mail.....
The long form!!!!!!
Lisa
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| 345.28 | Act On Feelings | WJOUSM::LGILCHREST | | Thu Aug 30 1990 14:13 | 22 |
| E=21
N=23
F=16
P=21
I've always tested the same in letters, but scoring higher
or lower depending on circumstances.
When once tested with the remainder of my staff, I was on the
HIGH end of feeling, almost by myself, while everyone else
was at the other end. I guess I am not in balance, and need to
be more aware of the thinking piece. I act on feeling and perception
and am a "hands-on" person as opposed to handbooks.
I find this a fascinating test, but not a TRUE test of one's
character.
It is true, as stated in a past note, that engineering groups test
similarly, as opposed to manufacturing or marketing or personnel for
example.
Ciao!
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| 345.29 | It's Friday, right???? | POETIC::LEEDBERG | Justice and License | Thu Aug 30 1990 14:34 | 24 |
|
Every time I take any kind of a test - I come out as a
Welder. I just don't understand....
Seriously, I have to echo something that DougO said,
I really don't want to know what "type" I am. I have been
able to cheat on intelligence tests, MB test and some of
the other random "where do you fit in the scope of things"
tests" and I don't trust the results. I say I cheat because
I know what to answer to get the results I want the giver
to get from me.
Since in the test for personality types that I took about
3 years ago I came out with "none of the above" as my
result, and this one I did as honestly as I could, I have
more or less ignored this type of activity.
_peggy
(-)
|
A one of no-kind
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| 345.30 | not normal :^) | SPCTRM::RUSSELL | | Thu Aug 30 1990 15:02 | 14 |
| RE: .16
>which fits you better. Also bear in
>mind that 75% of people are extrovert, so the
>odds are you are an E. Also 75% of people are
>Sensing so odds are that you are an S. So you
>are *Probably* an ESFJ.
Eeeeps! I'm not normal! According to the short form
I'm ENTP; all by a _wide_ margin except T/F, scoring 11 for
T and 9 for F.
All I do that's normal is like people. Ah well.
Margaret
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| 345.31 | there's something wrong with me | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Thu Aug 30 1990 15:21 | 6 |
| re .30, 75% of people are sensing and I got as high as 51 in intuitive.
75% of people are extroverts and I'm an introvert. I'm not normal
either.
Lorna
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| 345.32 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Thu Aug 30 1990 15:26 | 17 |
| re. 30 And not normal...
I know you meant that as a joke, but I want to stress again that normal
and Good or bad have nothing to do with this. Just *different* styles.
Rather look at yourself as uncommon or rare. :-)
re: Peggy's point about being able to get the results you want.
I think which result you want says alot about you too. I knew as I was
answering many of these qeustions, that answering a would make me T while b
would make me F and so on. The fact that I would PREFER to be considered
a thinking person says as much for my preference as my actual answers, IMHO.
And when I read my description, I was astounded at how close it was to me
right down to the details, whether they were flattering, admirable,
embarressing, annoying whatever.
Tracey
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| 345.33 | who am I? The age old question | HANCOK::D_CARROLL | Assume nothing | Thu Aug 30 1990 15:37 | 10 |
| >And when I read my description, I was astounded at how close it was to me
>right down to the details, whether they were flattering, admirable,
>embarressing, annoying whatever.
Alright, so where are these descriptions? I'm ENXJ, so who am I supposed
to be?
Does anyone have those descriptions?
D!
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| 345.34 | I agree; Peggy is one of a kind :-) | VAXWRK::SKALTSIS | Deb | Thu Aug 30 1990 16:01 | 24 |
| RE: .12
> They found that over 50% of the engineers in the company
> that were tested (they tried to get all of them since it wasn't a huge
> company) had type _STJ (i.e. E or I didn't matter).
and all this talk of normalcy.
I look at it this way; as an ISTJ, I'm simply a "normal" engineer.
What I found interesting, though was that on the first test I was
almost balanced on the I/E (10 to 9), but on the second I am strongly
introverted. I suspect that the difference is just because the first
test is binary while the second asks that your answer have a weight
value. The results of the second test really surprised me in that I
had a definite "strong" number in each category, close to
double of the counterpart category, yet I answered the overwhelming
majority of the questions with 2/3.
I'd also be interested in seeing the descriptions.
Deb
Deb
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| 345.35 | | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Thu Aug 30 1990 16:09 | 12 |
| ISTJ - "Serious, quiet, earn success by concentration and thoroughness.
Practical, orderly, matter-of-fact, logical, realistic and dependable.
See to it that everything is well organized. Take responsibility.
Make up their ownminds as to what should be accomplished and work
toward it steadily, regardless of protests or distractions."
Above from the back of my old test.
D!, What is X? There is no X. It should be T or F.
Lorna
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| 345.36 | X = unknown | HANCOK::D_CARROLL | Assume nothing | Thu Aug 30 1990 16:22 | 8 |
| > D!, What is X? There is no X. It should be T or F.
X means that I was split 50/50 on T vs. F so I have no value. However,
judging myself I would say that I lean *slightly* toward the T side.
What is the description for ENTJ?
D!
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| 345.37 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Thu Aug 30 1990 17:01 | 32 |
| Sorry, things got busy today and I have not had time to enter the info
I wanted to.
I will enter info about the E vs I and so on.
I will not be entering the types each type has 2-5 pages on it
(Depending on the source material) and there are 16 types. Also I think that
would be mutilating the copyright laws a bit. :-)
Until I can enter stuff or you can get your hands on a book, here's
a one-word description of each type. (Bear in mind there is lots of explanation
around each of these, so don't react too strongly to this.)
INTP Architect
ENTP Inventor
INTJ Scientist
ENTJ Fieldmarshal <= That's you and me D! :-) (Or me at any rate...)
INFP Questor
ENFP Journalist
INFJ Author
ENFJ Pedagogue
ESFJ Seller
ISFJ Conservator
ESFP Entertainer
ISFP Artist
ESTJ Administrator
ISTJ Trustee
ESTP Promoter
ISTP Artisan
Tracey
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| 345.38 | For a limited time only... | SONATA::ERVIN | Roots & Wings... | Thu Aug 30 1990 17:08 | 7 |
| I have a packet of materials, including descriptions of what all this
alphabet-soup personality stuff means. If you want to get a copy via
interoffice mail, send me mail requesting the materials.
Cheers,
Laura (SONATA::ERVIN)
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| 345.39 | take your pick | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Thu Aug 30 1990 17:12 | 19 |
| INFP is a questor? I'm a questor? What the hell is that? :-)
The back of my old Myers-Briggs test results form has this
description for ENTJ - "Hearty, frank, decisive, leaders in activities.
Usually good in anything that requires reasoning and intelligent talk,
such as public speaking. Are usually well-informed and enjoy adding to
their fund of knowledge. May sometimes be more positive and confident
than their experience in an area warrants."
This is ENFJ - "Responsive and responsible. Generally feel real
concern for what others think or want, and try to handle things with
due regard for other person's feelings. Can present a proposal or lead
a group discussion with ease and tact. Sociable, popular, sympathetic,
Responsive to praise and criticism."
Which one is you D!? :-)
Lorna
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| 345.40 | ESTJ | RUSTIE::NALE | | Thu Aug 30 1990 17:21 | 12 |
|
Youza, none of my scores are "mushy":
E 10
S 25
T 13
J 18
Yeah Lorna, what does this mean I am? "Loudmouthed, anal-retentive,
compulsive and judgemental"? %^)
Sue
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| 345.41 | | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Thu Aug 30 1990 17:42 | 19 |
| re .40, ESTJ - "Practical, realistic, matter-of-fact, with a natural
head for business or mechanics. Not interested in subjects they see no
use for, but can apply themselves when necessary. Like to organize and
run activities. May make good administrators, especially if they
remember to consider others' feelings and points of view."
What do you think Sue? :-)
Mine is INFP - "Full of enthusiasms and loyalties, but seldom talk of
these until they know you well. Care about learning, ideas, language,
and independent projects of their own. Tend to undertake too much,
then somehow get it done. Friendly, but often too absorbed in what
they are doing to be sociable. Little concerned with possessions or
physical surroundings."
(Hmmm - actually I *love* some of my possessions, especially my antique
jewelry and I care a lot about my physical surroundings.)
Lorna
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| 345.42 | Quick Reading | SAGE::SZKLARZ | Can't you hear? My silence screams! | Thu Aug 30 1990 17:42 | 6 |
|
D! I'm right down the hill at TTB if you want to borrow my copy
of Type Talk give me a buzz.
lsn
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| 345.43 | | ASHBY::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Thu Aug 30 1990 17:47 | 4 |
|
Wow, an inventor or a journalist.....interesting.
Lisa
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| 345.44 | Just some descriptions. | SELECT::GALLUP | u cut out your eyes, u refuse to see | Thu Aug 30 1990 17:51 | 28 |
|
Contributions made by each preference to each type....
I: Depth of concentration
E: Breadth of interests
S: Reliance on facts
N: Grasp of possibilities
T: Logic and Analysis
F: Warmth and Sympathy
J: Organization
P: Adaptability
Use the numbers as a "sliding scale." If you're in the middle
you hold the qualities of both "sides." Where as, if you're pegged
on one side of the "scale" you probably are stronger at that
than someone who is in the middle.
NOTHING is negative.
kathy
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| 345.46 | the odd get even | COMET::POSHUSTA | Solar Cat | Fri Aug 31 1990 04:30 | 14 |
|
I completed the test and went to the class in good faith. My 'test'
results were so odd that the instructor said that I would never have
been hired to DEC via the 'normal channels'.
I am a highly intuitive person with a free roaming imagination.
Partly introverted unless the 'comedy' is not to my liking then
I'll revert to feeling. I prefer 'face to face' contact rather
that the ordinary (E-mail) contact because *I* learn more.
Kelly
|
| 345.47 | Extraversion vs. Intraversion | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Fri Aug 31 1990 08:58 | 63 |
| Here are some excerpts about the E vs. I preference from _Please
Understand Me_ pp 14-16.
Tracey
Please excuse the typos. Much of this was typed one-handed while holding
the $%^$% book open with the other.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Extraversion vs. Introversion
The person who chooses people as a source of energy probably prefers
extraversion, while the person who prefers solitude to recover energy may
tend toward introversion....
Sources of Misunderstanding -
Extraverts, with their need for sociability,appear to be energized, or
"tuned up," by people....
...While the extravert is sociable, the introvert is territorial. That is he
desires space: private places in the mind and private environmental places.
Introverts seem to draw their energies from a diffreent source than to
extraverts. Pursuing solitary activities, working quietly alone, reading,
meditating, participating in activites which involve few or no other peopl --
these seem to charge the batteries of the introvert....
...The question always arises, "Does not an extrovert also have an introverted
side and does not an introvert also have an extroverted side?" Yes, of course.
But the preferred attitude whether it be extraversion or introversion, will have
the most potency and the other will be the "suppressed minority." The
preferred attitude will be expressed in the conscious personality, and will
reflect the aim, will and acheivement of the conscious personality....
....If a person prefers extraversion, his choice coincides with about 75
percent of the general population[Bradway,1964]. Only 25 percent reported
introversion as their preference, according to Myers[Bradway, 1964]. Indeed
Western culture seems to sanction the outgoing sociable, and gregarious
temperament. The notion of anyone wanting or needing much solitude is viewed
rather often as reflecting an unfriendly attitude.... As a consequence,
introverts are often the ugly ducklings in a society where the majority enjoy
sociability....
....Introverts have reported that they have gone through much of their lives
blieving that they *ought* to want more sociability, and because they do not,
are indeed ugly ducklings who can never be swans. As a result, the introvert
seldom provides adequately for his very legitimate desire for territoriality,
for breathing room, without experiencing a vague feeling of guilt.
Cue Words -
The Main word which differentiates an extravert from an introvert is
*sociability* as opposed to *territorialty*, but the extravert also finds
*breadth* appealing where the introvert finds the notion of *depth* more
attractive. Other notions which give a cue to this prefernce are the idea of
*external* as opposed to *internal*; the *extensive* as opposed to the
*intensive*; *interaction* as opposed to *concentration*; *multiplicity of
relationships* as opposed to *limited relationships*;*expenditure of
energy* as opposed to *conservation of energy*; *interest in external
happenings* as opposed to *interest in internal reactions*.
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| 345.48 | Listen up folks. | POETIC::LEEDBERG | Justice and License | Fri Aug 31 1990 09:58 | 27 |
|
Ok, I tried the two sets of questions, in two different ways each
so that is a total of 4 results.
First time through each set I only answered the questions that
I could/felt were correct (this means I did not answer some because
neither answer fit or because both answers fit).
results - pedagogue - schoolteacher?????
Second time I added the answers where both fit (in other words
both a and b were checked and counted).
results - Fieldmarshall????
We all know that neither of these two fit my personality, don't
we!!!
Well so much for tests being accurate. Fieldmarshall indeed.
Why I didn't even answer all the questions.
_peggy
(-)
|
Any questions as to where my sign off
comes from?
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| 345.49 | No Questions, SIR | VIA::HEFFERNAN | Juggling Fool | Fri Aug 31 1990 10:50 | 18 |
| RE: <<< Note 345.48 by POETIC::LEEDBERG "Justice and License" >>>
-< Listen up folks. >-
> (-)
> |
> Any questions as to where my sign off
> comes from?
>
I have no questions, Fieldmarshal Leedberg, SIR!
Yikes, I better what out for that hatchet!!!
;-)
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| 345.50 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Fri Aug 31 1990 11:20 | 33 |
| Actually Peggy, just from what I've read of you in here, I would
have suggested the Fieldmarshal (ENTJ) as a type that might fit you. Don't get
too hung up about the Fieldmarshal title. It just refers to the fact that
ENTJ often end up in charge of any endeavor that get involved in, frequently
without meaning to (and mystified as to how it happened :-) ).
Embaressingly enough, I just found out I remembered my scores
incorrectly. I'm still an incredibly strong ENTJ is just that my T was much
stronger than I remembered. I said in the base note that it was 37. Try *57*!
E - 33
N - 15
T - 57
J - 31
Something to consider while taking the test. When answering the
questions imagine yourslef *either* at home *or* at work. You can have
different styles each place. A co-worker took the short test yesterday and came
up with that he was an ENTJ. That didn't really fit. His preference on J/P
was not marked, so we looked up the ENTP as well and it is a dead ringer for
him at work. Upon talking about it, we decided that *at home* he really is a
ENTJ. So if one of your preferences is "mushy" you may be preferring one thing
at home and another at work. Read both descriptions and see what applies to
you.
The short form test is a good "sorter" (ie. it narrows you done to two
or three type to chose from) but the long test I've found to be much more
acurate in assigning a type.
I'll have to try the "non-binary" test that someone entered here.
I have a feeling it would be more useful than the other short test.
Tracey
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| 345.51 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Fri Aug 31 1990 11:56 | 51 |
|
Your temperament is NT, NF, SJ or SP You have a LOT in common with
other of your temperament. The similarities outweigh the differences. For
example NT are often scientists, and INTP might be really theoretical, an INTJ
might apply the theory that an INTP comes up with and an ENTJ might be their
manager, but they all have the same interest in designing abd buidling systems
that give them a common ground
Some miscellaneous stats from various sources (These are all %'s of
the general population):
NT - 12%
NF - 12%
SP - 38%
SJ - 38%
SJ's comprise 60% of all managers
Teachers are - NF 32%
NT 8%
SJ 56%
SP 2% (Usually Industrial Arts)
ENFJ - 5%
INFJ - 1%
ENFP - 5%
INFP - 1%
ENTJ - 5%
INTJ - 1%
ENTP - 5%
INTP - 1%
ESTJ - 13%
ISTJ - 6%
ESFJ - 13%
ISFJ - 6%
ESTP - 13%
ESFP - 13%
ISTP - ?
ISFP - ?
I have the following stats written on my notes from my class, but
beats the $%#$% ourt of me what the significance is of this. But I love
meaningless stats, so what the heck?
INXX - 4%
ENXX - 20%
ISXX - 24%
ESXX - 58%
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| 345.52 | | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Fri Aug 31 1990 11:58 | 9 |
| Peggy,
The authors that used Pedagogue define it as :
"A catlyst of the growth process, someone who has that uncanny ability
to 'bring out' the other, the activate the differentiation or 'unfolding'
process in the learner."
Tracey
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| 345.53 | Just marching to a different drummer. | SAGE::GODIN | Naturally I'm unbiased! | Fri Aug 31 1990 13:37 | 15 |
| Amazing! I finally took the test and scored firmly as INFJ -- an
Author. Is it coincidence that I earn my living writing for Digital?
I also noted that some combination of two of those letters places me
in the teacher category. Is it coincidence that I used to earn my
living as a teacher?
The part that worries me is being categorized with only 1% of the
population as an INFJ while INXX places me with only 4% of the
population (though Ann Quayle and Jody Bobbitt are respected
counterparts).
Oh, well, I always suspected I wasn't in step with everyone around me.
This is fun.
Karen
|
| 345.54 | | SONATA::ERVIN | Roots & Wings... | Fri Aug 31 1990 14:11 | 28 |
| I went back and looked at the MB tests I took in 1985 and 1986. Then I
took the tests again today, both the 70 question test and 32 question
test. Here are the results:
32 question test:
1985 results - I/16, E/24; N/21, S/19; T/14, F/26; P/13, J/27 or ENFJ
1986 results - I/13, E/27; N/27, S/13; T/7, F/34; P/18, J/22 or ENFJ
1990 results - I/13, E/27; N/26, S/14; T/13, F/27, P/23, J/17 or ENFP
70 question test:
1990 results - I/2, E/8; N/17, S/3; T/8, F/12; P/15, J/5 or ENFP
What this all means to me is that basically I think that parts of the
description for both the ENFP and ENFJ represent my personality
fairly accurately. Mostly I view these descriptions as information to
be aware of, to reflect upon and integrate into my opportunities for
personal and professional growth. These fluctuations in score reflect
the concept that nothing in life is static, not even what I consider my
hard-wired core personality.
I think that these kinds of discussions are great fun. Thanks for
starting the base note!
Laura
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| 345.55 | Intuition vs. Sensing | TCC::HEFFEL | Sushido - The way of the tuna | Fri Aug 31 1990 15:58 | 56 |
| Excerpts from _Please Understand Me_ pp. 16-19.
Tracey
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Intuition vs. Sensation
The person who has a natural preference for sensation probably describes
himself first as *practical*, while the person who has a natural preference for
for intuition probably chooses to describe himself as *innovative*.... Seventy-
five percent of the general population reports a preference for sensation
while 25 percent indicates a preference for intuition [Bradway 1964].
Sources of Misunderstanding-
Although extraversion and introversion are important differences in
understanding ourselves and others, especially others we live with, these
preferences are minor compared with sensation and intuitive ways of thinking
about things. The two preferences of sensation and intuition are, of any of
the preferences, the source of the most miscommunication, misunderstanding,
vilification, defamation, and denigration. *This difference places the widest
gulf between people.* ...
...The sensation types notice the actual and want to deal with that. They focus
on what actually happened rather than worrying too much about what might have
been or what will be in the future. These people remain in reality and, when
work is the issue, tolerate no nonsense. They usually are accurate in
observing detail, perhaps because, when a sensible type approaches something,
his eyes tend to pick up a specific element. This is quite different from the
intuitive who, when entering a situation, seems to scan, glance, radiate at
things and people, at times aware only of that which is related to his current
preoccupation, missing details noted by the sensible....
...The difference between intuitives and sensibles is most noticeable in their
attitude about child-rearing. The intuitive parent, especially if augmented by
an intuitive spouse, is likely to worry if the child doesn't spend much time
daydreaming and fantasizing and is not captured and intrigued by the more
fanciful tales and myths. It is as if such parents want their offspring to
develop their imaginations by utilizing them daily. Nothing is more valued by
the extreme intuitive than a vivid imagination....
...In contrast, the sensible parent becomes concerned should the child spend
what seems an inordinate amount of time in fantasy. one must develop one's
*usefulness*. The child should spend much of his time outdoors, playing
practicing -- and when older, working....
Cue Words -
...People who prefer sensation, for example tend to value *experience* and the
wisdom of the *past* , and want to be *realistic, while the people who prefer
intuition tend to value *hunches*, and a vision of the *future*, and are likely
to be *speculative*. The S person depends on perspiration where the N person
is more likely to depend on inspiration. Words such as *actual*,
*down-to-earth*, *no-nonsense*, *fact*, *practical*, and sensible are music to
S people; words such as *possible*, *fascinating*, *fantasy*, *fiction*,
*ingenious*, and *imaginative* are apt to light the eyes of N people.
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| 345.56 | hey, is this the new astrology? | SPCTRM::RUSSELL | | Fri Aug 31 1990 16:57 | 11 |
| RE: .55
Hummm, looks like I come by my high N score honestly. (On the short
test I was S=2 and N=18.) Being sensible is nice and very
practical but give me sweeping vistas anyday.
As a reasonably rare ENTP and possible ENFP I think the descriptions
as either an inventor or journalist fit well. I've been a working
journalist. And I'm always inventing stuff.
Margaret (hi Lisa, fellow ENTP)
|
| 345.57 | I prefer 'multi-dimensional' to 'squishy' | SELL3::JOHNSTON | bean sidhe | Fri Aug 31 1990 17:35 | 17 |
| When I did this long-form/short form [and then a battery of validating
tests that didn't seem to make it any more definitive...], I came up
with:
E - 100% [never a mark in the 'I' category]
N - 70%
T/F - 50% ea [_absolute_ dead heat]
J/P - 50% ea [ ditto ]
The persons trying to pidgeonhole me were so crestfallen after all
the little dots I filled in and the holes I punched, they were talking
about left-brain, right-brain, ... I asked shyly [well, as shyly as we
total-E-people get] "could the fact that I was ambidextrous until the
nuns got hold of me have anything to do with it?"
Apparently not, but I _was_ trying to make the test-people feel better.
Annie
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| 345.58 | | WRKSYS::STHILAIRE | I don't see how I could refuse | Fri Aug 31 1990 17:51 | 6 |
| I just took the short form posted here and came out as INFP again, the
same as the two long forms I've taken before. I had only one mark in
the T category. I still don't know what "questor" is supposed to mean?
Lorna
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| 345.59 | "I don't know why I go to extremes" | GEMVAX::ADAMS | | Fri Aug 31 1990 18:21 | 15 |
| re: 58
I'm here to keep you company, Lorna; I came out INFP when I took
the test about 12 years ago. As for "questor" ... if we figure
it's a person on a quest, that would make us medieval knights or
Don Quixotes or some such. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to
figure out what I should be looking for--any ideas? 8*)
My opinion of these tests is that they are fun. I can't say they've
been helpful to me. Along with the MB, I took the Strong-Campbell
(think that's the one--assesses interests) which told me my
two greatest areas of interest were in direct opposition.
I've been confused ever since!
nla
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| 345.60 | | RAVEN1::AAGESEN | don't hold back!! | Tue Sep 04 1990 08:38 | 14 |
|
i took the MB along with tracy [at least *one* time that she took it!]
here at GSO last january(?). this version was 126 questions. my scoring
on this was...
I - 23
N - 41
T - 19
P - 29
i guess maybe the "I" tends to support my write-rarely status here in
=wn='s (-: (-;
~robin
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| 345.61 | | ASHBY::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Tue Sep 04 1990 12:25 | 10 |
|
Hi Margaret,
I could see myself being an inventor...although I enjoy CREATING things
more than inventing them. As in, decorating or taking photographs,
rather than inventing a super mouse trap.
Artists were all introverted though, which isn't me.
Lisa
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| 345.62 | | SCARGO::CONNELL | Reality, an overrated concept. | Tue Sep 04 1990 13:01 | 9 |
| I took both versions of the test over the weekend. See, strong
introvert. who else would stay in on a holiday weekend and take these
tests. Anyway, strong INFP both times. Lorna, I don't know what a
questor is either. Maybe, it's someone whose always looking for
something in their life. Nevwer satisfied with the staus quo, as it
were. They were interesting anyway. I left the tests at home and can't
remember my exact scores. But it was an extremely strong INFP.
Phil
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| 345.63 | | FSOA::AWASKOM | | Tue Sep 04 1990 13:17 | 14 |
| I finally had to satisfy my curiosity. (I think I took this before,
but don't remember my results.)
I come out as an INFJ, but the I/E scale is *really* close. My
suspicion is that I'm basically an introvert, except when I'm in a
place where I *know* that I'm extremely competent - then I try and make
the others around me comfortable. And I'm teaching myself to be more
extroverted, 'cause if I don't I'll be holed up in my house by myself
forever - which isn't a desired state either.
I'd be real interested to see more info on what each of the other pairs
means though. Off to the library....
Alison
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| 345.64 | Greta Garbo must have been an I_T_ :) | XCUSME::QUAYLE | i.e. Ann | Tue Sep 04 1990 21:19 | 6 |
| Another thought about close I/E scores. Those of us who score highly
in F often appear more extroverted than we are because of our strong
drive to make others (many of whom are extroverts) comfortable.
aq
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| 345.65 | exi | TRACKS::PARENT | the unfinished | Thu Sep 06 1990 12:15 | 12 |
|
I tried both the results were almost oppsite!
AM test-1 ENFJ 6/4,6/14,9/11,15/5
PM test-2 *NTP 20/20,21/19,24/14,21/18
About the only thing I sure of is the *N** part I do operate
intuitively which is oddball for an hardware engineer.
Allison
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| 345.66 | the original "thinking" karma chameleon | COBWEB::SWALKER | lean, green, and at the screen | Fri Sep 07 1990 01:07 | 21 |
|
Yeah, I had problems with getting a consistent answer too. I tried both
tests, and found myself to be a bit of a karma chameleon: I was conscious
that most of my answers would vary depending on my mood, or that both
alternatives could be good, but that it could depend largely on who I
was dealing with at the time.
I took the first test, and I came out as an I*TP (that's an artisan or an
architect, if I remember correctly. This definitely does not "click").
Then I took the second, and came out an ESTJ. (That's an administrator.
Well, maybe.) So I redid the first, and came out an INTJ (a scientist;
okay, that might fit too). But the first 2 were always near the center.
After reading the descriptions and some of the other replies, I'd have to
conclude that I am probably best characterized as a shy ENTJ (That's a
fieldmarshal. Now ask yourself: what good is a shy fieldmarshal??)
Hmmm...
Sharon
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| 345.67 | Call me consistent... | BSS::VANFLEET | goin' down for the last time... | Fri Sep 07 1990 11:58 | 3 |
| I come out an INFJ every time.
Nanci
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| 345.68 | | WECARE::KRISTY | Take off your kid gloves | Fri Sep 07 1990 12:11 | 4 |
| Even before I got the results back from taking the Myers-Briggs P.I., I
figured myself for an ENFP and I was... pretty strongly such...
unfortunately, none of the careers that they list under ENFP interest
me in the least.
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| 345.69 | no real surprises | HEFTY::CHARBONND | Follow *that*, Killer }:^) | Tue Sep 11 1990 11:40 | 14 |
| Just took it and came out I(S/N)TJ
Thought there were a lot of false dichotomies in the sensing/
intuition category. I had 'both' in a few of them, no answer in
one.
I-8
E-2
S-10
N-12
T-15
F-6
J-17
P-3
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| 345.70 | A little surprised by the S | VAXRT::WILLIAMS | | Wed Sep 12 1990 14:26 | 15 |
| IS/NTP
E I
**|********
S N
*********|*******
T F
*****************|***
J P
********|***********
Such a cold fish? nah!
I've thot about it and decided I'm not.
/s/ Jim WIlliams
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| 345.71 | another word is "domineering" | TLE::D_CARROLL | Assume nothing | Wed Sep 12 1990 15:05 | 28 |
| I took an online version of the test that was longer, and my new results
were:
E 33
N 43
T 31
P 43
I am curious what those numbers are out of? I changed from J to P, and
pretty strongly too...I wonder, I think J is more accurate, but I never
felt really comfortable about it. My "E" was a lot less strong in this
one...I think I am **very** E, though. My T was again weak, but not
as much as last time (where it was divided between T and F equally.)
I think that's pretty accurate.
I would be curious to see what job types were recommended for what
combinations (other than "fieldmarshal").
Interestingly I have been observing my own behavior recently and realized
that I do think fieldmarshal fits me well. What it comes down to is I
make decisions. I may not have all the facts, no consensus may be
reached, but a decision must be made, so I make it. I am usually the one
when, in a group of people who are arguing about where to eat or what to
do I will put my foot down and say "Let's stop talking about it and do
*this*." I have found in my experience that it is more important that a
decision is *made* than that the decision is correct. And a lot of the
questions on the MB test seemed to be related to decision making.
D!
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| 345.72 | truth, integrity, and compassion, I hope | TLE::RANDALL | living on another planet | Thu Sep 13 1990 14:00 | 42 |
| Many years ago, during one of the mother-daughter battles that
plagued my adolescence, my mother accused me of being a person who
"builds castles in the air and then tries to move into them."
Well, this test says she was right. On the version in .1, I'm
INTP -- architect.
The outcome itself was a bit of a surprise. I expected ISFP,
artist, somehow. But even more of a surprise was how emphatic it
was. I wasn't even close on any of the choices. My actual scores
were:
E - 1 S - 2 T - 12 J - 4
I - 9 N - 17 F - 7 P - 14
My first reaction was, "Architect? Me? Likes to build and design
systems? Me? Wait a minute, I'm the one who likes to sit in her
office and write, with occasional excursions for parties and
lunches!"
And then I thought, "Yeah. You're the one who spends every waking
hour and half of her sleeping ones building an entire imaginary
UNIVERSE, for cripe's sake."
I also took the version Justine posted in another note, and came
out with a much less definitive score because it let me waffle
instead of forcing me to make honest yes or no decisions. I
noticed, too, that it had this culture's typical assumption that
people who think are unemotional -- a bias that the test in .1
lacks. I like its very neutral presentation, so you don't feel
like you're committing a moral sin by saying that you prefer to
draw conclusions based on unemotional logic. Logic doesn't have
to be unemotional!
--bonnie
p.s. Karen, my daughter Kat took the test with me, and came out as
INFJ, author, also. I think you're both in good company.
We found it quite ironic that I came out in one of the 'scientist'
categories when I'm the writer, while she came out in the 'author'
category when she's interested in being a scientist.
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| 345.73 | "ESFJ's take heart and give heart" | SPIDER::GOLDMAN | It's a new me! | Fri Sep 28 1990 09:26 | 14 |
| Well, I took that Myers-Briggs class yesterday, and the
results for the long test for me were ESFJ (3,9,19,19). On the
test that LSN had posted I came out E, S/N split, F J, and on the
other test posted here I was an E,S,T, P/J split. None of my
numbers on any of the tests were really high. I think either
E or I SFJ really does fit me though. Some of the descriptions
were right on. And I left there thinking, yeah, what the heck
*am* I doing as a programmer?!
The class was pretty interesting, and in some cases it was
really funny to see just how well some of the people really did
fit their types!
amy
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| 345.74 | | CAESAR::GASSAWAY | Insert clever personal name here | Fri Sep 28 1990 13:29 | 18 |
| I took the class too, and came out ENFP yet again (35,9,3,11).
I'm one of those that "gives life an extra squeeze" according to the
book.
It was amazing how well my description fit me, and I realize that my N
and P scores would have been much higher if my Mom's years of drilling
SJ characteristics into my head didn't work.
Taking that class also helped me to see problems that occured within my
family. My father, brother, and I are all strong NP's, while my Mom is
a really strong SJ type. Needless to say, my parents are divorced.
I've managed to adapt and develop SJ characteristics, but my brother
hasn't, and it's caused a lot of friction between him and my Mom.
I'm going to bring the book home some day and let my Mom read it, maybe
she'll be better able to understand my brother.
Lisa
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| 345.75 | trying to find out | TLE::RANDALL | living on another planet | Fri Sep 28 1990 13:40 | 5 |
| Would one of you mind looking up INTP and telling me what it says?
You can send it off line if you'd rather.
thanks,
--bonnie
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| 345.76 | | TCC::HEFFEL | If I were a whale, I'd beach myself! | Wed Oct 03 1990 17:12 | 22 |
| The description is several pages long but some highlights are.
INTP - "A Love of problem solving"
INTP's are the classic absent inded professor.
They are very precise in thought and language
Gender issues are "especially pointed" for the intp female.
INTP's tend to one-plus everything to death :-).
As parents INTPs are very patient and accepting of differences in
children. "INTP have an amazing tolerance and support for each child's
pursuit of her or her own course."
INTP's have a live and let live life style.
Famous INTP's are Linus (of Peanuts fame), Carl Jung, and Albert
Einstein.
Tracey
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| 345.77 | thanks | TLE::RANDALL | living on another planet | Fri Oct 12 1990 12:37 | 6 |
| re: .76
At least I'm in good company :)
--bonnie
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| 345.78 | re-.1 indeed! (-; | RAVEN1::AAGESEN | is it nov 16th yet?? | Fri Oct 12 1990 14:49 | 1 |
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| 345.79 | | TINCUP::KOLBE | The dilettante debutante | Fri Oct 12 1990 15:22 | 4 |
| I just took the long form in a class I'm taking and came out a raging
NFP and a borderline E/I with E winning by a nod. On the handout we got
ENFPs are described as "squeezing that extra ounce out of life". Hmmm,
not sure how to take that. :*) liesl
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| 345.80 | | DSSDEV::KRISTY | I came... I saw... I hugged! | Sat Oct 13 1990 11:00 | 1 |
| I knew I liked you for some reason, Liesl! :-)
|