Conference turris::womannotes-v3

    To quote Richard Feynman.
    
    						Ann B.

me me me me me me.

:-)

(gotta do it now before *everyone* does, because I hate following others' leads)

D!

    
    	Me three (or four, or whatever it is by now.)  :)
    
    
    						Suzanne  
    
    
    	P.S.  Finally understand the feeling of the old
    	"I'm the NRA" personal names.  :):)
    

Moi aussi.

    
    
    Please excuse my naivet�:  What is the list?
    
    

    Don't forget me or drop me off it unintentionally!!
    
    Ad

    Count me in.
    
    Karen

  Well of course I want to be on the List, even though I'm not much of
  a joiner.

  But what I really need is some advice about becoming a glass-chewing 
  feminist (GCF).  I already consider myself a radical feminist (you'll
  recall that =wn= V1 defined a radical feminist as one who actually
  expected behavior to change as a result of feminist goals and ideals).  
  I think I'm ready to take the next step -- to, say, GCF third class.

  But to what does 'glass' in GCF refer?  Is it a drink container or
  an amorphous inorganic substance/supercooled liquid.  Should I start
  with fiberglass cloth?  Or dixie cups?  What are the requirements?

  Thanks in advance,

  JP

Me.

re: what is the list. See the end of the processing topic. I think it has
something to do with supporting FWO space, and wommannotes as a community, and
putting our energy and anger where it is supported and channeled in the
directions we support and chose.

It is not a list to f**k Mike V, no matter how PC starting this list is.

So, Is Mike V on it?
	Mez

>It is not a list to f**k Mike V, no matter how PC starting this list is.
    
    No way. He's not my type.
    
    Ad

    Moi Aussi. S'il vous plait.
    
    Merci Beaucoup.
    
    Phil

    
    I'm in.  After all the dental work crunching amorphous silicon 
    sounds like surpreme fun.
    	
    Allison

  Count me in also....
  

If more people would maintain an even keel, there wouldn't be a list, whether
to port or starboard. As there's sometimes bilge which needs to be pumped, it's
no real surprise that a list develops and that the bilge producers should be
dealt with sternly by the rudders and sisters who contribute. However, we 
should be careful to control our tempers and not give in to anchor, or we'll
fail in our mizzen.

    All my selves sign up.  
    
    Briana

    The quiet voice in the back speaks up.  I put myself on that list quite
    a while ago, in some ways before its formal announcement.
    
    Alison

    This makes it official for me.

    I'm here.  See 22.373.
    
    See also 22.369 (for the inspiration), .376, .379, .380, .381-2, .383,
    .384, .385, .389, .400, (yes, Allison and Herb, I noticed, even though
    the first list neglected your signups) and .422.  You're all wonderful.
    Finally, a truly defensive measure for this space.
    
    DougO

Count me in, too please.  That's Driskell spelled funny, ya know.

now that we have a 'policy', how do you insure that someone is 'aware' that
you are electonically ignoreing them?  I mean,  i often leave this file
for days/weeks at a time when work intrudes on my noteing life.  i wouldn't
want someone to mistakenly think i was ignoreing them when i wasn't,,,, or
to not be aware when i WAS...

should we just send a pointer when we want to expres our 'ignore-ingness'?
(i did NOT want to say ignorance, so ok if i coin a new word?)


would this be allowed under the P&P of -wn-?  if we worded it 'play-niced'
enough?

mary

In my younger days :-) I frequented a *real-time* interactive conferencing
system (called CONNECT).  Frequently people would bug other people (where
bugging meant sending them unwanted messages frequently.)  Since bugging
was *truly* distracting, in that it filled your screen with garbage and
beeped incessantly, in addition to being offensive, the CONNECT programmers
implemented a command call IGNORE.

This caused a message to be sent to the person you were IGNORING saying
"so-and-so is now ignoring you."  They were thereafter prevented from
sending you a message.  They could, in turn, IGNORE *you* if they wished.

This was good in that it 1) kept your screen from getting filled with
unwanted stuff and 2) notified the person you were upset at that you were
upset with them.  It was bad because if they changed their ways or
wanted to apologize, there is no way they could do so.

Our own little method of ignoring is less drastic, but correspondingly less
usefull (we still have to read, or at least next-unseen though messages
from people we don't wnt to deal with.)

I do think something akin to an IGNORE to a kill file would be useful.

D!

  re: 303.11  (Mez)         -< what fun >-

> It is not a list to f**k Mike V, no matter how PC starting this list is.

	Mez, Mez, Mez.  Only YOU (and Mike himself) would have the 
	_nerve_ to say that :-).  

	Oh, Mr. Valenza, are you coming to the womennotes 5 year 
	party next year :-)?  
						nancy b.

    Well, I'll be on the list but retain the right to judge each incident
    individually.

    Re: D!'s note about ignore. I think we have the superior system here.
    We can always next unseen or glance at but not answer a note. However,
    if the noter in questions changes hir style/attitude we are free to see
    that and respond accordingly. I like to think that positive change can
    be rewarded. liesl

    ps. eagles, we don't ignore you. Or you either Lorna. :*)

    pps. I've been noticing others using HIR and hope I've used it
    correctly. It does mean her or him doesn't it? 

		Surprise, surrrprise, surrprrisssee.

	Who would of thought such and idea could be started and supported,
	in =wn= of all places, Why next thing you know all these noters
	will be refering to women as women, and saying supportive things
	like "Oh but that must have upset you" and "Is there anything I
	can do to help you" to others.

	Put me on the list.

	_peggy

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			By the way which list is this????

I must respectfully state that I am NOT on the list.  If someone starts
a note to that effect, please feel free to move this reply there.

Martin.

    To also quote the late, very lamented Richard Feynman

    Can Read Only's be on the LIST?  If so, please sign me up.  I am
    heartened that people are finally making a stand against those persons
    who are sucking the energy right out of this notesfile.
    
    Mark O'B

      re: 303.33 (Mark O'Brien)    -< Just say No to NotesVamps >-

     "NotesVamps" -- what a great term, Mark :-) !!

     I have wondered what (from other replies) the term "vamping"
     (to vamp) means, but in your context,

     "...those persons who are sucking the energy right out of this notesfile."

     , it's quite clear (and I agree).   Who you refer to as "NotesVamps" are
     the people I used to refer to as someone who was pissing on the file like a
     dog that wants to leave its scent.  But your term is much more accurate,
     thanks!
                                                  nancy b.



>    <<< Note 303.30 by BOLT::MINOW "There must be a pony here somewhere" >>>

>I must respectfully state that I am NOT on the list.  If someone starts
>a note to that effect, please feel free to move this reply there.


	Whew.  I thought I was alone, Martin.  Thanks.  Neither am I,
	but reading the last 34 replies took me back to 4th grade where
	some of the kids used to stand in circles around and ugly kid, or
	a small kid or something and call him/her nasty names and taunt
	them.


	I really appreciate the memories of yester-year, but no thanks, I
	didn't participate in them then, and I won't now.


	Someone called this a "PC" topic to start.  If taunting, goading
	and intimidating other people into "submission" is PC, then no
	thanks.....


	kathy

    RE: .35  Kath

    > Whew.  I thought I was alone, Martin.  Thanks.  Neither am I,
    > but reading the last 34 replies took me back to 4th grade where
    > some of the kids used to stand in circles around and ugly kid, or
    > a small kid or something and call him/her nasty names and taunt
    > them.

    Actually, your analogy is backwards.  The people who volunteered to
    be put on "The List" (of the accused) were essentially acting in
    defense of those being taunted.

    It was a way of saying, "If you're going to call those people names,
    then call me the same name, too."

    > I really appreciate the memories of yester-year, but no thanks, I
    > didn't participate in them then, and I won't now.

    Implying that people are "children" when you disagree with them is
    name-calling in itself.  Make no mistake about it.

    > Someone called this a "PC" topic to start.  If taunting, goading
    > and intimidating other people into "submission" is PC, then no
    > thanks.....

    Does this mean you were considering being PC?  (This comes as quite a
    surprise since I've seen you reassuring everyone that you're NOT at
    all PC - that is, when you aren't busy reassuring everyone about your
    contempt for Womannotes.)

    The reference to "PC" was light-hearted, self-deprecating humor (as it
    almost always is when people claim to be "PC" themselves.)  

    Heaven forbid that people should joke about themselves - it's surely
    the time to take the joke and bonk them over the head with it.

    I'm here as I stated in note #22. I haven't seen this much
    cohesiveness and team spirit since the march.
    
    Kate

... mine's the little one with the freckles.

It occurs to me that I was never included to begin with because I never bothered
to announce anything ...

  Annie

	re: taunting, goading and intimidating other people 


Hmmm,,, I saw one woman say that she intended to "ignore" people who VIOLATED
the charter of -wn-.  (yup, the FWO is only a request, but that's because
it has to be by DEC P&P.  However, it IS the charter in THIS notesfile that
there WILL be strings that are restricted for WRITING in.  anyone can READ it,
and reply in an alternative string.)

anyways,  after one woman said she intended to ignore those  who ignored our
charter, several others spoke up and said they either already were following
such a policy, or intended to start.

Then one person started a list of those who announced that they were following
this policy, AND PUBLISHED IT.

(historical note: throughout western history, being on a "LIST" *usually* means
that you are being singled out for punishment or other disciplinary action,
blackballed, inqusitions, etc)

LOTS of people, then stated that if a list is going to be kept, they wanted to 
be on it.  Usually simple statements like "me too."


so the question is,   

		Who exactly was taunting, goading, and intimidating others??!!??

    I'm another (basically) a read only could I be added to the LIST?
    
    Candy
    

    Me too! 
    
    I know I've become somewhat read-only since moving to CA and working
    in The Field, but I have met some of the finest people I know in this
    company thru Womannotes, and I am proud to be part of the group,
    even if from afar.
    
    So do we get tour jackets? GCF T-shirts? Baseball caps? Hi-ball
    glasses? (to be chewed, of course)
    
    --DE
    

    List me.
    
    
       Margaret (who was VERY disappointed not to be on Nixon's list
                 :^)    ...no matter how I tried)

    Subtle distinction, Eagle (I had to read it twice):  the "FWO" in the
    title is commented out.

    
    hi,
    
    i'm here too:
    
    
    
    
    al.

    discovered this list just now.
    
    neat.
    
    don't know how well i would be able to be a part of it, though.
    
    will signing up get me laid?  even if i don't pay attention to it?
    
    jonathan (who has very little to say, and is afraid to not say it
    when the inspiration strikes for fear of losing the ability to type)
    

    If jonathan's going to be on the list, then i want to be on it too.
    
    and you just wait, jonathan, i'll get you back.  you and your stupid
    card games...........
    
    lisa/too lazy for capitals today
    

    
    it's a difficult thing to do, but i'm doing my best to stay on
    the list.
    
    

    Is there still room for me?
    
    E Grace

    
    (wave, wave)
    
    hi.
    
    -Jody
    

    
    
    
    
    WWWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
    
    (wave, wave to you, too)
    
    E Grace

    oh, what the hell..it's my last day, and I'm tired of note editing...
    
    Daniel

     'scuse me, what's this list ? I don't understand....
    
    	Sarah.

    See note 990.1.  Moderators, please feel free to tow 990.* up here
    
    meg

    Its an opportunity to make a personal committment/decision not to
    respond to the correspondence of someone. In the past it was used -with
    somewhat mixed results- to stop communicating/responding to someone who
    signed his mail EDP, or at least that's how I interpreted the list.
    And signed it myself. It may be more that coincidence (but i'm not
    sure) that that person no longer participates in this conference.
    
    It is currently being used -with appropriate discression to stay within 
    corporate protocol/laws/whatever- to serve as a kind of petition/pledge
    not to interact with or respond to me. So you can interpret your name
    in that list as pledging "I will shun Herb".
    
    				herb

    Well, I might as well go ahead and jump in.....
    Its just TOO frustrating watching it all, worse to try to discuss it,
    since it just goes on and on and on and on and on.....
    
    hannah

    every now and then I renew my membership... and this seems like
    a very good time to do just that.
    
    with love,
    cheyenne

    I always thought this was the NEXT UNSEEN list, a pledge of sorts to
    just hit next unseen instead of reading notes that get you mad (and
    then getting mad or even).
    
    As a moderator and as a human being, I cannot condone any kind of
    public commitment to "shun" someone -- reminds me too much of the awful
    way kids can treat each other.  I'll delete this whole string if it
    feels like it's being directed at someone.
    
    However, I encourage everyone to employ next unseen instead of
    letting a NOTESFILE get you upset, and if pledging to do that here
    makes it easier for folks to resist the urge to bicker, please go for
    it.
    
    Justine -- practically on vacation