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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1078
Total number of notes:52352

159.0. ""But here's a book that says..."" by PROXY::SCHMIDT (Thinking globally, acting locally!) Fri May 25 1990 10:03

  Did'ja ever notice...

  ...anyone can find books to support any point of view, no matter
  how loony?  And these books are always written by authors who sound
  like they ought to know something about the topic?

  Just because someone finds a book to support their argument doesn't
  mean that their argument is correct (or even self-consistent).

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159.1TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersFri May 25 1990 10:326
I agree, *even* though it calls some of *my* sources into question.

That's what is so good about independent thought.  To believe or not 
to believe?  (Or something like that!)   8^)

Mark
159.2???????????USCTR2::DONOVANcutsie phrase or words of wisdomSat May 26 1990 00:223
    If the written word has no truthg what can we rely on?
    
    Kate
159.4TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersTue May 29 1990 11:2634
re: .2

Informed decisions.  Written words are like any other ideas that must stand
the test of coherence, stability, rationaility, logic, to name just a few.

I think that our predisposition to believe the printed word above other 
media belies our willingness to let others think for us.  When people
quote books here, it brings a ring of authority (s/he was published and
therefore must know what their subject is).

Words are simply ideas that people espouse.  Some of them are true, some of
them are not, some are dribble (neither true nor false).  When you read 
something, something in you will say, "I believe the ideas this person has
penned," or "I do not believe the ideas this person has penned."  

The question we *should* ask is "why do I [not] believe the ideas this person
has penned."  The problem with this question is that it might be too much
work to go through, so we follow "instinct" or read about someone who 
confirms an idea.  

Note that Goebbels said something like "if you repeat a lie long enough and 
strenuously enough, it begins to have the ring of truth."  And many Germans
in World War II didn't know (Crystal Night opened many eyes, too late 
- referencing the World at War on PBS) how deep they had gotten with 
allowing the Nazis to control German society.

So we rely on informed decisions and making value judgments on hte material 
we read.  

There is a saying that says "You are what you eat."  If ideas are food for
the mind, then we need to know the kind of food we feed our minds, as much
as the nutrition concerns about our bodies.

Mark Metcalfe
159.5the winners write the historyTINCUP::KOLBEThe dilettante debutanteFri Jun 01 1990 14:3725
<	Brains are good for separating fact from fiction.
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<	Books which make absurd claims are easy to discredit, given all
<    the necessary truths.
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<-mike z

    Ah, but that's the problem! Our world is so complicated that getting
    the "necessary" truths is no small feat. Adding that much of what we
    read has been filtered through the gatekeepers (which means those in
    power) we must be doubly sure to doubt.

    It brings to mind my anthropology instructor's words. "Myth is more
    powerful than truth, and it gets remembered longer". Whether that is
    good or bad depends on what we want to accomplish.

    For generations young men were taught that war and dying in battle for
    "the cause" were noble concepts. That glory was their reward and virtue
    would triumph. If your goal is training young men to run to their
    deaths without questioning why that is a handy myth. If you want
    statesmen who understand the true cost in human suffering that a war
    brings about the myth is dangerous. The books we are seeing now about
    the more recent wars tell a very different story than those sold during
    the wars. The same goes for movies. Ever seen any of the old WW II
    propaganda pictures? liesl