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Conference turris::womannotes-v3

Title:Topics of Interest to Women
Notice:V3 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1078
Total number of notes:52352

140.0. "Stephen Pierce Anti-gay Bill" by USCTR2::DONOVAN (cutsie phrase or words of wisdom) Sat May 19 1990 01:23

    Steven Pierce (Republican candidate for governor in Mass.) is trying to
    pass a bill that prohibits gays from becoming foster parents. This po-
    litical grandstanding is supposed to work in his favor at the poles.
    
    Question #1: Wasn't this bill already passed a couple of years ago?
    
    Question #2: How do you think this will impact his chances?
    
    Question #3: What next? Will this type of right wing legislation
                 eventually erode the chances of custody to the gay 
                 parent in a divorce case regardless of circumstances?
    
    Kate
    
    
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140.1RAVEN1::AAGESENbeing happy shouldn't be illegalSat May 19 1990 06:359
    
      kate,
    
       someone may have more specific information about your questions, but
    the answer to question #1 is yes it was passed a couple of years ago.
    reecently [within the last couple of months?] being gay or lesbian was
    removed as an automatic disqualification of foster parenting.
    
    ~robin
140.2long overdueHURON::REDNERMon May 21 1990 18:2410
140.3RANGER::TARBETHaud awa fae me, WullieMon May 21 1990 20:2911
    It wasn't really *passed* a couple years ago, was it Robin?  I thought
    it was an executive order by Dukakis, which is why he was able to make
    it go away again a few weeks ago.  No?
    
    Regardless, from whatever I know about the Pierce amendment it deserves
    speedy defeat precisely because it's another chip out of civil rights. 
    I have the rather awful feeling that we're heading back to the '50s
    with all its xenophobic hypocrisy and "organisation man" mentality. 
    
    God help us all if we allow that to happen. 
    							=maggie
140.4's-plain pleaseDCL::NANCYBsouthern exposureMon May 21 1990 20:4210
	re: 140.3 (=maggie)

>  I have the rather awful feeling that we're heading back to the '50s
>  with all its xenophobic hypocrisy and "organisation man" mentality. 

	=maggie, what is "xenophobic hypocrisy" and "organisation man"
	mentality, and how did that relate to the '50s ?

							nancy b.
140.5RAVEN1::AAGESENbeing happy shouldn't be illegalTue May 22 1990 08:515
    re: =maggie,
    
    yup, i'm sure you're right about the detail!
    
    ~r
140.6SAFETY::TOOHEYTue May 22 1990 17:575
    
    
    Why is .2 set hidden?
    
    
140.7<*** Moderator Response ***>RANGER::TARBETHaud awa fae me, WullieTue May 22 1990 18:351
    Violation of 1.7.4.
140.8SAFETY::TOOHEYThu May 24 1990 16:185
    
    
      Gee, I didn't realize that Gays are a 'minority ethnic group.'
    
    
140.9WMOIS::B_REINKEtreasures....most of them dreamsThu May 24 1990 16:243
    Well they are a minority and they are discriminated against.
    
    Bonnie
140.10Uhm...well...HARDY::EVANSOne-wheel drivin&#039;Thu May 24 1990 16:358
    ....and some are ethnic.
    
    I think the term "ethnic minority" has become one of those phrases
    that we hear so often it becomes an entity unto itself. Like
    "concensus of opinion". A concensus *is* a bunch of opinions.
    
    --DE
    
140.11SAFETY::TOOHEYThu May 24 1990 16:3715
    
    
      RE: .9
    
    According to my dictionary, 'ethnic' refers to religion, language,
    ancestry, culture, or national origin. I didn't see where being gay 
    related to ethnicity, but, after thinking about it, I suppose an
    argument could be made that there is a unique 'gay culture.'
    
    I would never suggest that gays aren't discriminated against. In fact,
    everybody is sometimes discriminated against. Whites, blacks, males,
    females, gays, straights, etc. Everybody. 
    
    
    
140.12LYRIC::BOBBITTwe washed our hearts with laughterThu May 24 1990 17:025
    I think what is intended is the spirit of ethnicity, not the letter
    here.  Minorities are what was intended, I believe.
    
    -Jody
    
140.13SAFETY::TOOHEYThu May 24 1990 17:309
    
    
      I realize this is becoming a rathole, but I have a question about
      1.7.4.  It says 'Don't make insulting comments about minority ethnic
      groups, even in jest or irony.' Why 'minority ethnic groups' instead
      of just 'ethnic groups'? The way it is phrased implys that it is O.K.
      to make insulting comments about majority groups.
    
    
140.14***comod response***WMOIS::B_REINKEtreasures....most of them dreamsThu May 24 1990 20:367
    Please take this to the processing topic, I will move a copy of
    this note there.
    
    Thankyou
    
    Bonnie J
    =wn= comod
140.15No more hiding....BETHE::LICEA_KANEFri May 25 1990 10:2114
    It's good to see Steven Pierce come to the floor with a bill like this.
    It's not like his position is not known, he has a voting record.
    
    But his office has been attempting to describe his past votes as
    something he had to do.  Since he was minority leader, he had to vote
    with the majority of Republicans in the House.  They've also
    tried to point out that he's never spoken on the floor on any matter
    relating to Gay Rights.
    
    Until now.  Needless to say, I'm not surprised at all by his position.
    The spin doctors had been trying to hide the real Steve Pierce, but
    no more.  He's openly stating his position, finally.
    
    								-mr. bill