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133.1 | cynical politics | LEZAH::BOBBITT | we washed our hearts with laughter | Thu May 17 1990 11:48 | 11 |
| I've voted in the presidential elections for as long as I've been
eligible to. And, sadly, in the past election or two, I felt I was
voting for "the lesser of two evils" in the election - not a heartfelt
support of the perfect candidate, but a vote AGAINST the candidate I
felt would do the most damage to the country. I voted against Reagan,
and against Bush. Always. And, truth be told, I can't imagine why
I'd want to support Bush in the upcoming elections. Unless the
candidate seems even less suited to the post.
-Jody
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133.2 | Voting record | VICKI::WILLIAMS | WSI/LTI | Thu May 17 1990 12:08 | 20 |
| Voting, hmm...
well, ( as I put my suit of armor on)
In 1972, I voted for Nixon. Didn't really care for Nixon, but liked
McGovern even less. (I really wanted Scoop Jackson (Sen. from Washington)
I even registered as a Democrat to vote for him in the primary).
In 1976, I voted for Ford.
In 1980, I voted for Anderson. Didn't care for Reagan and felt Carter had
not done a good job.
In 1984, I voted for Reagan. I liked Mondale even less that Reagan.
In 1988, I voted for Bush. (sorry, but the thought of the Duke as Pres.
really made me want to check job openings in Canada.)
ken
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133.3 | | RANGER::TARBET | Haud awa fae me, Wullie | Thu May 17 1990 12:42 | 3 |
| I've always voted Democrat at the presidential level except once:
Anderson...though in the last election I construed it as Jody did: a
vote *against* Bush.
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133.5 | | FAIRWY::KINGR | New_Kids_On_The_Block=Pimple_Music! | Thu May 17 1990 13:26 | 7 |
| In 72 I voted for Nixon and I would do it again...
In 76 I voted for Andeson
In 80 I votes for the Gipper!!
In 84 I voted for the Gipper again
In 88 I voted for Bush, the Duke was/still_IS a very bad joke!
REK
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133.6 | does that imply what i'm afraid it does? | DECWET::JWHITE | the company of intelligent women | Thu May 17 1990 13:30 | 6 |
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with the sole exception of one senator, no candidate i have ever
voted for has ever won.
i will never vote republican again.
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133.7 | | SCARGO::CONNELL | Trepanation, I need it like a hole in the head | Thu May 17 1990 13:49 | 20 |
| In 72, I voted for Nixon. I also picked Criminal Type to win the
televised horse race last week and he did.
In 76, I voted for Carter, I really liked Billy Beer.
In 80, I didn't vote. I couldn't forgive Carter for the Panama Canal or
for the Iranian hostage situation and his way of solving it seemed to
be, hide out in the White House and maybe it'll go away. I couldn't in
all good faith, support Ronald Raygun.
In 84, I voted for Mondale/Ferraro. Again, I couldn't stand Reagan and
I seriously hoped that a woman VP would help to bring a much needed
different perspective to the executive branch.
In 88, I voted for Jesse Jackson (write-in). I like Spook Bush even
less than Reagan and the only thing Dukakis has going for him is his
anti-Seabrook stance. I, again, was hoping that a minority viewpoint
would help this country. Goddess knows, it needs something.
Phil
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133.8 | It only encourages them | STAR::RDAVIS | You can lose slower | Thu May 17 1990 14:15 | 9 |
| Carter, Carter (holding my nose), Mondale (I still think a Mondale /
Ferraro administration would've been great even if the dope _couldn't_
campaign for doodah), nobody (if Dukakis had won, the Republicans
would've ended up with control of the White House for the next 10
elections afterwards).
I kind of enjoyed not voting.
Ray
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133.9 | My $0.02 | STORM::REEBENACKER | Most Difficult <> | Thu May 17 1990 14:25 | 11 |
| Didn't vote in '72, would have voted for Nixon if I had.
Voted against Gerry Ford in '76, I consider that a mistake now. Jimmy
Carter was a decent human being but an ineffective president, IMO.
Voted for Reagan both times, though he's a little too far to the right
for me. I thought it was too bad the Democrats couldn't come up with a
candidate that I could consider voting for.
Voted for George, personally I like him better than Reagan. If Dukakis
had won, I would have considered moving to Canada.
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133.10 | | BOSOX::HENDERSON | Thinking a lot about less & less | Thu May 17 1990 15:18 | 19 |
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McGovern
Carter I sometimes think of the movie "The Candidate" when I think of
Carter...one day he announces he's running then gets caught up
in the hoopla and suddenly he's President. While I got upset with
him over the hostage thing, in retrospect they did come home alive.
Today, I have more respect and admiration for Mr Carter than just
about any American.
Reagan If I could retract my vote I would
Mondale As a vote against Reagan
Ron Paul Libertarian..most closely reflected my political views.
Jim
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133.11 | | YGREN::JOHNSTON | bean sidhe | Thu May 17 1990 15:59 | 10 |
| I've voted in every election in which I've been eligible to vote.
In 1988 I voted for Dukakis for president -- not much of a choice there.
But more importantly, I have voted for Barbara Pressly and Kevin Mulligan and
Cissy Farenthold and a host of folks closer to home that had/
have a more immediate effect upon my daily life.
So, Atlant, what's so embarrassing?
Ann
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133.12 | | TOKNOW::METCALFE | Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers | Thu May 17 1990 16:47 | 22 |
| I voted for John Anderson (really a vote against Carter's ineptitude and
Reagan's reputation for "warmongering" - those were my reasons *at that time*)
I liked Carter, personally, but I thought he also wasn't doing the job well.
I didn't know a thing about a guy named Reagan so listened to my college-friend.
Remember that Anderson wanted to tax imported oil at $20 more per barrel?
I voted for Reagan's re-election. I was happy with the way things were
going and voted my wallet. Walter Mondale (nothing against him personally)
didn't cut it.
I voted for George Bush. It was actually a *definite* vote against
Michael Stanley Dukakis. I ain't proud of the vote for, but I am
very relieved at my vote against.
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I always voted against Kennedy at any opportunity.
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I voted in Democratic primaries in MASS (when I lived there) against the
worst (IMO) democrat, then voted republican (against the establishment0
in the state elections.
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133.13 | | CVG::THOMPSON | My friends call me Alfred | Thu May 17 1990 17:19 | 20 |
| Every year I become more and more convinced that local election are
the more important ones. Those are the issues that hit me closed to
home. I spend as much effort, if not more, checking out selectmen,
school board, state house/Senate, governor, etc candidates as I
do Presidential ones. I've generally been more pleased with the
people I've voted for in these races then in national ones. Local
people tend to be more like they say they are. It's also easier to
vote them out when they've "been bad". Do others follow their local
races as well?
In the Presidential races I've always voted for the Republican. Below
that level it's a mixed bag. I vote for the person not the party. It's
just that there hasn't been a Dem I've felt was better for me or the
country then the Republican in any election I've voted in.
Alfred
The other nice thing about local elections is that if you don't
like any of the candidates you can run your self. I've done that more
then once (won some lost some).
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133.14 | choice between 'bad and worse' | IAMOK::ALFORD | I'd rather be fishing | Fri May 18 1990 09:29 | 16 |
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I've voted in most national elections since being eligible...Carter in 76
Anderson in '80, Mondale in '84 (though it was more a vote AGAINST
Reagan), and as someone said earlier...no vote in 88...just couldn't
vote for the Duke, and I thought George was too much like Reagan (turns
out he's better than i expected, but I still don't like him....)
Local election have been on/off depending on my mood.
I keep waiting for someone to run who i like---such as Sam Nunn ,
or Howard Baker, ---someone I could have a little tiny bit of
confidence in to do 'the right thing' rather than the politically
expedient thing. Oh well, I gave up on that dream long ago...
deb
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133.16 | | FSHQA2::AWASKOM | | Fri May 18 1990 11:41 | 14 |
| I have also voted in every election I've been eligible to, at least
on a national level. Consistently, my choices have been the
Republican, as fewer of their views and approaches were anathema
to me than those of the Democrats. (I will always vote for less
government as opposed to more. We need to learn to do for ourselves,
and I say that with deep compassion for the 'have nots' of our
society.)
This has meant that I am usually voting against someone, rather
than for someone. Local elections in my experience have been pretty
pointless, even to the state rep/senator level, simply because there
haven't been any choices on the ballot.
Alison
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133.17 | um, what was the question again? | SKYLRK::OLSON | Partner in the Almaden Train Wreck! | Fri May 18 1990 16:06 | 42 |
| on the national political scene, Mark's position (.15) explains my
votes in the 84 and 88 elections. I don't really know what I'll do
over the next few rounds because while those (economic and foreign
policy) issues are still very important to me, for the first time a
domestic issue is probably more imortant to me; and the republicans
are in pretty sad shape on a woman's right to choose.
I also have recently begun attaching much importance to local
elections. This can be painful in California; my voter's pamphlet for
the June 5th ballot just arrived, with text of, analysis of, arguments
for, arguments against, rebuttals to arguments for, and rebuttals to
arguments against, Propositions 107-121; with another supplementary
pamphlet for Propositions 122 and 123 due shortly. The pamphlet is
over 140 full-size pages. So far I've analyzed and made decisions on
two of the issues, a $150M bond measure and a $1B bond measure, about
20 pages worth of the material. Argh. This goes on in California
because (I think that) one of the tax-revolt propositions in years past
made it mandatory for voters to approve any major new spending passed
by the state legislature. So we all get to review the things that the
legislature wants to do that would require increased tax collections.
Plus, any group can get a ballot measure put up for a vote if they get
enough signatures. Makes going shopping interesting; somebody's always
got a table set up and streetwalkers with clipboards asking you to sign
this petition and that petition to get their measures on the ballot.
One of the problems we've got is that a clever monied group can dilute
and distort populist petitions by putting forward a separate measure
with overlapping laws. If both measures pass, then the courts and the
associated regulatory bodies wrangle out "the voters' intent" from
their approval of the contradictory measures. A year ago, 5 separate
measures were voted upon that dealt with automobile insurance reform.
One was populist, two were insurance-industry sponsored, one was
backed by consumer advocates (like AAA and CSAA) and one was sponsored
by a bunch of trial lawyers! I don't remember how many were approved,
but the legal battles aren't yet done on it, and auto insurance out
here is still a total mess. This can be done because the groups that
back the contradictory measures cash in on the original populist wave
("yes, we're all concerned about the high costs of auto insurance.")
It takes a very well-informed voter to cut through the morass and most
people don't make the effort.
DougO
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133.19 | | TINCUP::KOLBE | The dilettante debutante | Fri May 18 1990 19:15 | 13 |
| I've voted in every national election since I've been "of age". Except
for Barry Commoner and John Anderson I've voted democratic.
I vote in most local elections but find few candidates in my town that
I care for. However, I do think that's where my vote counts the most. I
don't generally vote in special issue votes unless the outcome
interests me. I voted against English as our official language but
don't vote on school issues since I have no kids. I know I pay taxes
for it anyway but don't pay much attention to whose on the board.
This notesfile is probably not where you will find the non-voters. I'll
bet that most of the writers here are also voters. Afterall, when have
you know US not to have an opinion? :*) liesl
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133.20 | -from the silence of "read-only" | CSC32::B_KETELSEN | | Fri May 18 1990 19:32 | 11 |
| > This notesfile is probably not where you will find the non-voters.I'll
> bet that most of the writers here are also voters. Afterall, when have
> you know US not to have an opinion? :*) liesl
:) As a mostly read only, I have to speak up this time... I've voted in
every national election since 72 also...except the last one, when I got
to the polls ten minutes after they closed. I sometimes have trouble
finding candidates and issues to vote _for_...but I feel it is better
to vote against a candidate or policy I disagree with than it is to be
silent.
-Bobbi
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133.21 | would vote Green if we had 'em. | MILKWY::JLUDGATE | sigh | Fri May 18 1990 20:49 | 6 |
| this past election i voted against both reagan and dukakis....don't
remember who i voted for, but definitely a third party.
same for the locals....third party when one was represented, neither
if that was not the case.
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133.22 | On the other hand, who knows what I'll do? | XCUSME::QUAYLE | i.e. Ann | Tue Jun 12 1990 10:04 | 15 |
| Nixon (I regret this vote)
Ford
Anderson
Reagan
Bush
Yesterday my 1990 Curmudgeon Calendar offered the following by Ambrose
Bierce:
Conservative. n. A statesman who is enamored of existing
evils, as distinguished from a liberal, who wishes to
replace them with others.
aq
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133.23 | contrarian | CSSE32::M_DAVIS | Marge Davis Hallyburton | Tue Jun 12 1990 16:58 | 17 |
| Yes, I've voted in each national election since '68.
In the NH primary of '79, I worked for and voted for Bush. Reagan was
nominated by the party, so I voted for Anderson in the general election
as he had run a clean race and needed 5% of the vote to receive
matching funds and clean up debts.
In '84, I wrote in George Bush and Elizabeth Dole. Bush was on the
ballot for v.p., obviously, but I couldn't bring myself to vote for
Reagan.
In '88, I voted for George Bush and wrote in Elizabeth Dole for v.p.
I couldn't bring myself to vote for Quayle.
card-carrying GOP member,
Marge
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133.24 | Sure I voted for the winners .. but the real issue is .. | AHIKER::EARLY | Bob Early T&N/EIC | Wed Jun 13 1990 13:24 | 46 |
| re: -< It's (Election) Morning Again in America >-
>In the last few elections, did you vote?
Are you depressed yet ? After almost 30 days of exposure, less than 25
people of the thousands of daily_reads actually Admit to voting in
any of the elections ?
In a recent voe (for a by-law change) of a club I belong to, 48% of
the club voted 92% in avor of the proposal, which backhandedly
removed the fiscal resonsibility from the members and placed it into
the hands of few boardmembers.
Most election officials (except Gorbachev) only dream about such a
response in a public US election.
>Who'd you vote for? (*SOMEBODY* must have voted for Reagan, Reagan,
and Bush, all denials to the contrary.)
Is there a difference ? All who chose NOT to vote, voted to defer
their choice to the ones who DID vote.
I am constantly amazed by our elected officials, and the commonness
of purpose that they show in self-promotion regardless of what the
economy is actually doing, in taking more pay raises, avoiding real
issues (like the economy) with red-herrings (like the flag burning
issue), and both parties pretending it is the fault of the other
party, when i reality it is the VOTERS problem, who by apathy and
trust let the politicians do what they want.
>Atlant
Congratulations folks, Is New Hampshire finally getting their much
needed Income Tax, and will the 1st Amendment really get changed to
disguise the current Congress's inability to control Government
spending (or unwillingness to do so , as they have for the past 50
years ?).
(I have tried very hard to keep this as neutral politically as
possible, since all congressional failures are the responsibility of
the individual voters acting collectively.)
-BobE
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