Conference turris::womannotes-v3

    I take feedback on a continual basis.  It is fed anonymously to the
    rest of the moderators and we look for trends in the feedback and
    guidance on where people want the file to go, and try to help the file
    reach a place where community consensus would have it go.  Since the
    information is anonymous in nature none of it will be revealed here. 
    We are grateful to those who have taken the time to respond, and look
    forward to receiving more from people who are looking anew at the file,
    or see things they feel they are comfortable (or uncomfortable) with,
    or new people who are seeing the file for the first time.
    
    To date, in all the time during V2 and V3 that we have been seeking
    feedback (must be at least a year or more now), about 100 people have
    responded.
    
    And we appreciate their efforts....
    
    -Jody

    
    i confess i had the feeling, when reading the base note and other
    notes asking for input, that it was something like a survey, the
    'results' of which might be 'published' at some point. i now
    understand that that was not the intent. but i wonder if there
    might be certain areas where it might be useful or interesting
    for the moderators to let us know what 'trends' they might be
    perceiving (e.g. the mail is running 3 to 1 against discussing
    baseball).
    

    
    I feel since people send us mail to utilize their opinions anonymously
    it is proper to keep it anonymous, particularly since many of the
    responders are read-only or read-mostly and they are using this avenue
    since they may not wish to post in the file.  A good deal of what the
    "trends" seem to be are often included in "the processing topic" at
    that point in time, however people who wish a clear and quiet channel
    for their opinion send us e-mail either instead of using the processing
    topic, or in addition (they distill their opinions for us and clarify
    their positions or ideas, which helps us by filtering out the
    interprocess and subprocess stuff and giving us the "meat" of their
    thoughts).  By the way, the processing topic has given us input in the
    past as well - i.e. if something in that topic seems striking, or
    yields new insight to what is going on, I will occasionally extract it
    and put it in with the survey material (anonymously of course).
    
    I feel it inappropriate to "publish" anything I receive in response to
    topic 23, but if it makes you feel more informed, it often follows or
    comments on topics that are currently being discussed in the processing
    topic.  If you would like to start an "open" survey topic where people
    can post exactly what they think and request that it contain NO
    interdiscussion, please feel free.  However, if anyone wants to put
    forth opinions of the notesfile that CAN be discussed, please feel free
    to use "the processing topic", and send a flag/pointer to me indicating
    you'd like me to utilize your response as if it were a response for the
    survey.
    
    Thank you again for your inputs....
    
    -Jody
    

    I would also like to add that we moderators take very seriously
    the input that Jody gives us from this topic. One specific result
    that came from that input was the institution of the SRO topics.
    
    We thank all those that have sent her information. It would be useful,
    and prevent the possibilties of hurt feelings perhaps, if folks who
    respond to this note mention that they'd like feed back on what they
    enter, to separte them from folks who are just sending feelings and
    ideas but have no stake in the process other than that.
    
    Bonnie

    
    just one point of clarification. do you, the moderators, when 
    receiving 'input' mail, assume it is intended to be kept anonymous?
    i quite agree that if 'people send us mail to utilize their opinions
    anonymously it is proper to to keep it anonymous'. should those
    who don't care if our their thoughts are kept anonymous explicitly
    say so?
    

    Joe,
    
    I blieve that since Jody so presented it, that is the way we've
    always regarded the input.
    
    Perhaps this may have caused some confusion in noters who didn't
    get the replies back or the obvious notice in the file that they
    expected.
    
    I appologise to any noters who were confused by this. We have always
    paid, as I said earlier, a great deal of attention to those mailings.
    
    Bonnie

    
    i don't think there's any need to apologize! simple mis-understanding
    on my part ;^) you gyns are wonderful...
    

    
    Repeating an observation...
    
    Seems like I read more notes from men in womannotes
    than from women.
    
    Nothing personal, and no offense intended to anyone, but
    it still strikes me as curious.
    
    Now back to read-only status.
    
    							Hank

    
    and it *kills* me when they are topics-of-interest-to-men
    lightly disguised with "Yes but *some* women are interested in 
    xyz"
    
    its not what i read this file for.
    
    jane

    Many thanks to Kath who informed me =wn= was up and running again, and
    to Bonnie who's been encouraging me to note here again.  I bet they are
    both very popular now.
    But wait a minute.........there are already too many men in here.  Do I
    have to wait for one of the men noters to announce his retirement
    before I start contributing?
    
    Ken
    

    Ken,
    
    I *do* hope you recall that the encouraging was conditional on
    your noting style.
    
    Bonnie

    
    Re: .11 Ken
    
    	To be honest, sometimes I wonder the same myself.
    	So I err on the side of reading.
    	But again, I was only offering an observation and would never
    	tell others how or when to note.
    
    							regards
    
    								Hank
    
    

    Thank you for your feedback.  Once again the e-mail lines are always
    open here....
    
    And please note that if people post feedback here, it's not generally
    for discussion or debate- their opinions are their opinions.  To
    discuss the way the file is happening you can always go to the
    Processing Topic (which I also read....and listen to).
    
    -Jody

    Time to go.. I no longer feel that this file can help me understand
    women and what they are reaching/looking for. I have been a DECIE
    for 14 years and have been a part of notes the last 10 years. I was a
    part of SOAPBOX at the beginning and no longer wish to read it..

    REK

    WM is a great place for women in digital, please don't get me wrong.
    I just feel that my contribution can add no value to the readers of
    this notesfile.

    I note in two non-work-related files.  So why do I note in =wn=?
    
    Well, it's not because I agree with everyone here.  It's not that I
    find all, or even most, strings of vital interest in my life.  It's not
    so cushy that I don't need to think.  It's not that even most
    of the noters here agree with me.  Heck, I don't even like all the
    people who note in this conference.  It's not because I'm looking to
    impress anyone with my vast political and personal insights.  (Lots of
    the time, people ignore me completely.)  It's not to explore my
    sexuality.  It's not to argue, even wittily. 
    
    It's to explore some aspects of our world from a primarily women's
    point of view.                                   ^^^^^^^^^
    
    I call attention to the word because the focus of this file is openly
    declared to be on, for, and about women.  Topics that interest women,
    which to be sure includes a lot about men (both positive and negative).
    When a topic in the file mentions men in a negative light, it reflects
    someone's views and experiences and, yes, predjudices, just as surely
    as misogynist statements in the other file I note in reflect (usually
    men's) negative views and experiences and, yes, predjudices.
    
    Back to that word, 'primarily'.  There has been a lot of discussion
    about the 'lite' topic on the indignities of being a man.  (There was
    even some controversy about three topics about indignities of being a
    woman - the lite topic, the big and little breast topics.)  It seems on
    the face of it that a topic on the lite travails of manhood is not
    'primarily' on, for, or about women.  So it should not surprise anybody
    that some women have disliked the topic enough to object to it.
    
    Men note in =wn=.  That's fine with me.  There are topics about men,
    and boys, in =wn=.  (I even started one, about how we raise our sons;
    it wasn't very popular.  That's ok too.)  There are topics about how
    men and women relate, or not, to one another, as individuals and as
    groups.
    
    I expect that any group of noters, mixed as to gender and views as this
    one is and should be, will not please all of its readers all of the
    time.  If it did, it would be deadly boring!  I checked out one of the
    religious conferences once, that had split off because of, um, well
    theological differences I guess.  I had been told that I (not a member
    of that sect) was regularly insulted there.  Well, if I was, I was too
    bored to stay awake long enough, reading it, to find out.  I'll never
    go back.
    
    So I'm sorry if some noters find the debate, lively and/or acromonious
    as it can be, to be so offensive.  They are legion, who find the other
    conference I note in to be insulting, acromonious, and just too snide
    to be worth reading.  I find it, and this one, to have more value for
    me than drek.
    
    That's life.  I'm still going to read, and enjoy much of, womannotes.
    
    Sara

    
    
    I'd just to remind you all that this is for your feelings on the file -
    your ideas about it (you can also send electronic mail to the mods, as
    outlined in 23.0).
    
    Please take DISCUSSION to "the processing topic", or wherever it seems
    most appropriate.  Here is where to put snapshots of your feelings.
    
    -Jody
    

    I'm kinda disappointed that there has been no mention in here
    concerning that fella from Milwaulkee killing all those boys/men...

    REK

    Then again, I guess its not really a women issue...

	re .18
        
>    I'm kinda disappointed that there has been no mention in here
>    concerning that fella from Milwaulkee killing all those boys/men...

>    Then again, I guess its not really a women issue...
        
        Well, two women did report to the police that they saw a
        naked, bleeding boy trying to escape from him.  But the
        authorities took his word over theirs and the killings
        continued.
        
        Dan
        

    re .18, no, I guess it's not a woman's issue.  Has there been mention
    of it in Mennotes?  Was there a topic in Mennotes about the Montreal
    killings, about the rapes and killings in Kenya recently?
    
    Lorna
    

    Re:20 I *DON'T* read mennotes, I personally think its a waste of
    disk space. Again, this is my opinion. Lorna, like I said, its not
    a woman's issue and thank you for supporting my observation...

    REK

    
    Actually, I think Dan's observation in .19 was right on.
    
    CQ

    What's going on with wm?
    
    REK
    
    seems to be up and down...

    REK 
    
    I don't know, I've contacted the sys manager and he's looking into it.
    
    Bonnie

    Since we can get in, I suspect he's upped the queue quota.  A lot.
    
    						Ann B.

    I couldn't get in at all, since yesterday afternoon!  It kept
    saying the queue quota was full, and didn't recognize the
    login, and other such stuff....