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999.1 | | SNOBRD::CONLIFFE | Cthulhu Barata Nikto | Tue Feb 27 1990 10:29 | 27 |
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QUESTION: Why do so many other countries have women heads of state?
Many of these countries are not known for their stances
on equal rights. Why are so few American women in office?
Well, without going into the politics of it too much...
Ms Chamorra (I'm not sure how to spell it either) received a lot of financial
and tactical help from "patriotic" Americans who backed her ONLY because she
was an opponent to Ortega. Since she has been so broadly helped by America,
one can only assume that she will stay bought and run a nice quiet little US
client state in Central America.
As to why there are so few American women in office...
a. people get the government they deserve. Notice how large a percentage of
Nicaraguans turned out to vote. Compare that to the recent presidential
election in America, where (I have read) 52% of the population turned out to
vote.
b. few women run for elected office. Look at the Governatorial "race" in
Mass. There are many more men than women in the race. Lt Gvnr Murphy is the
only female candidate with any sort of name recognition in the state.
Nigel
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999.2 | Ms. CHAMORRO elected | MEMIT::MAHONEY | ANA MAHONEY DTN 223-4189 | Tue Feb 27 1990 11:43 | 8 |
| Ms CHAMORRO (that's her correct name) is a very charismatic, smart
person whose family has been on the newspaper business for years and who
has experienced political divisions within her family...she is a very
energetic, very outspoken and very fair... but lacks political
experience. Same thing hapenned with Cori Aquino of Fhilipines and she
is proving to be a very worthy president... I wish Ms. Chamorro all the
luck and perseverance to bring her country out of the caos, extreme poverty
and extreme suffering that her country is going through...
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999.3 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | Note in your underwear. | Tue Feb 27 1990 12:12 | 7 |
| Although the victory of the UNO coalition in Sunday's elections is
saddening, the good news is that the Sandinistas remain the single
largest party in the country, while UNO is actually a coalition of 14
much smaller and diverse parties. Fortunately, therefore, the
Sandinistas remain a powerful force in Nicaraguan politics.
-- Mike
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999.4 | | USEM::DONOVAN | | Tue Feb 27 1990 12:36 | 6 |
| re:-1
Mike. Why does the UNO victory sadden you?
KAte
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999.5 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | I've fallen and I can't get up! | Tue Feb 27 1990 12:48 | 3 |
| Because they are not sufficiently leftist for his political tastes.
The Doctah
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999.6 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | Note in your underwear. | Tue Feb 27 1990 13:05 | 6 |
| Kate, it saddens me because I am a supporter of the Sandinistas,
because UNO has been the recent focus of Bush administration
intervention in Nicaragua, and because Chamorro has often allied
herself with the contras.
-- Mike
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999.7 | | BUILDR::CLIFFORD | No Comment | Tue Feb 27 1990 13:56 | 16 |
| RE: .1 On UNO staying bought. Either you left out a smiley face
or you are singularly ignorant of how things work in the real
world. The US has not been able to successfully buy a head of
state in quite some time. Witness how poorly controlled Noreaga,
the recent heads of state of Israel, and Ms. Aquino and many others
who owe their jobs (and even the freedom to hold elections to the
US) have been.
RE: .6 One has to wonder why one is saddened by the choice of a
free election winning. Can we safely assume that you'd prefer that
the US didn't have free elections and that you are also saddened
by the spread of democracy in Eastern Europe?
~Cliff
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999.8 | more from the peanut gallery | IAMOK::ALFORD | I'd rather be fishing | Tue Feb 27 1990 14:30 | 20 |
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well, I too think she has a 'very hard row to hoe' ahead of her.
working with a coalition for a 'party' is VERY difficult, next to
impossible in my opinion. too much variation in thought/process/
desires to work an effective political machine. And, unfortunately,
right now that is what's needed, an effective (but fair) political
machine. There are so MANY problems in all of central america,
with poverty, despair, destruction, disease, illiteracy, etc, etc,
that a strong presence is needed.
Perhaps thats some of the sadness Mike was alluding to. Certainly
in similar situations it has taken many many years, and much $$$ and
despair before changes have been wrought (again we could discuss the
Phillipines...i like Cory, and she has tried hard, but truly i don't
see that she has accomplished much...other than managing by the
skin of her teeth to stay in power).
I would not trade places with these women, and i do wish them
success, but I fear it will be extremely difficult.
deb
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999.9 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | Note in your underwear. | Tue Feb 27 1990 14:48 | 4 |
| One can certainly be saddened by the results of a free election if one
would have preferred that the outcome had gone the other way.
-- Mike
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999.10 | it puzzles me | TINCUP::KOLBE | The dilettante debutante | Tue Feb 27 1990 15:04 | 10 |
| It does seem interesting to me that the countries where women have been
elected seem to be 1) macho cultures and 2) in deep political and civil
strife. I'm thinking of Pakistan as one instance.
Could these women be the sacrificial victims used to get the country
over the internal strife and bad times? Are they cleaning up the mess
for the next male candidate? These are not cultures I associate with
equal rights. Bhuto had to get married to a man her parents chose and
then have babies. It would have seemed wrong if she hadn't. What's
going on? liesl
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999.12 | the bad man with blue eyes? | DZIGN::STHILAIRE | still haven't found what I'm lookin for | Tue Feb 27 1990 16:03 | 8 |
| Re .11, I think Liesl was sincerely asking questions about things
she was wondering about? I don't think she meant any harm, nor
does she deserve to be attacked. If you know all the answers, why
don't you explain them to us instead of making fun of how ignorant
Americans are about the rest of the world.
Lorna
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999.15 | | PACKER::WHARTON | Sapodilla gal... | Tue Feb 27 1990 17:09 | 5 |
| re .12
Ah come on, Lorna. The author pretty much prefaced her questions with
conclusions AND the questions seemed, to me anyway, purely rhetorical.
Nusrat is adding balance as far as I can see.
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999.16 | bringing up the rear... | SKYLRK::OLSON | Trouble ahead, trouble behind! | Tue Feb 27 1990 17:34 | 26 |
| We Americans are indeed ignorant of the most simple aspects of other
cultures, and we're supposedly the beneficiaries of the best (certainly
the most invasive and well-equipped) media organizations in the history
of the planet. Presumably the people in those other cultures who make
simplistic assumptions about 'life in America' get vehemently corrected
by their more worldly counterparts, too. Ignorance touches us all.
While the question may have been indelicately phrased, I share the
underlying curiosity. To we who so narrowly understand our own
culture's tormented gender roles, other nations have been presented
as heirs to even more hidebound machismo traditions; and that such
nations as India with Indira Ghandi, Pakistan with Benazair Bhutto,
the Phillippines with Corazon Acquino, and now, Nicaragua with Ms
Chaomorra, can select women in these times of extreme cultural change,
flies in the face of what we thought we knew (of their machismo
traditions). Truly we must not understand the role of women in
these cultures. Why has our media informed us so poorly...if not
because it reflects our own cultural blindness towards the importance
and capabilities of women? Our media can't tell us because they are
similarly blind.
Where that leaves us is ignorant. Nusrat and any others who *know*;
explain to us how these cultures can turn to women in these times.
Maybe we can learn something crucial.
DougO
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999.17 | Not my intent | TINCUP::KOLBE | The dilettante debutante | Tue Feb 27 1990 17:55 | 22 |
| Well excuse me. I had no intention of any of the things I've been
accused of. If I didn't make it clear then IMO, from various articles I
have read. And they were from the popular press - meaning my hometown
newspaper which gets UPI and AP type stories.
I was NOT in any way saying that Bhuto was not qualified!!!! I used
Pakistan because the article about Bhuto stuck in my mind. Also the NPR
report I heard where male politicos were accusing her of using her 2nd
child's birth to delay deciding on some issues. My immediate response
was to wonder if they were just playing dirty or if she was playing it
smart and controlling them in a way they couldn't fight, or if it was
nothing.
I was saying that it seems when you look at Pakistan,Phillipines and
Nicuragua or for that matter England, which has cities like Liverpool
which are in self destruct mode and massive unemployment, (though I
admit Thatcher doesn't quite fit this) that this seems when women come
to the head of a state.
At any rate, I was asking questions and testing my ideas. If I didn't
state things correctly I apologise. The questions were not rhetorical
and I was asking what others thought. liesl
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999.18 | I am Reagan Administration survivor! | CSC32::J_CHRISTIE | I am, I said | Tue Feb 27 1990 18:53 | 6 |
| uh, excuse me, but two other things are unique about the new Nicaraguan
president besides her sex.
She's in a wheelchair. :-)
She's a grandmother. :-)
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999.19 | | MOSAIC::TARBET | | Tue Feb 27 1990 19:39 | 17 |
| I'm probably going to get hacked to death by everyone for this, but...
I think Liesl put her foot in it. Although I would make book that
Liesl's error was hubris rather than malice (mine always is :-} ),
Nusrat was right to call her on it.
Now I'm going to risk a similar blast:
Nusrat, Pakistan is very heavily Moslem, true? My impression of
al-Islam is that there's not much to choose between it and
traditionalist (I hesitate to say fundamentalist) Christian religions
as far as their poor view of women goes. Given that be true, I echo
DougO in asking what mechanism makes it possible for a woman to be
elected head of state in Pakistan when in the "progressive" US no woman
has managed even an enduring candidacy.
=maggie
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999.21 | why ? | GIAMEM::MACKINNON | Pro Choice is a form of democracy | Wed Feb 28 1990 08:30 | 41 |
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There are many possible reasons why women do not actively go
into politics. One that comes to mind first off is that
the society in the US is still not fully ready to accept
women into political power positions. Mind you I said
not fully. Sure there are women in politics and this
trend hopefully will continue.
I as a woman would not go into politics for several reasons.
The main one being that politics is dirty. The systems
are usually run on the basis of the person with the most
money gets what they want. Growing up in Mass I've seen
more politicians who had the best intentions when they
started out, yet they have ended up just as crooked as the
rest of them. This is just my opinion. But to play the
game and win you have to play by the current rules. The
majority of those rules have been bought to serve the
folks who paid for them, usually not for the good of the
commonwealth.
Another reason I feel is valid is that politics is just
another male dominated field. Yet with this field there
are no specific college ciriculums to help folks out.
Sure you can get a PolySci degree, but is that real
training for politics? When you see the folks polling
on election day, how many of those folks holding signs
and waving are women? Not many.
Also, politics is a fulltime job that usually does not pay
much. It takes up much more time than a regular fulltime
job and a hell of alot more energy. Afterall, you have
to be everywhere all the time getting public exposure
and response. If the woman has a family, will the
other parent be willing to put that much more time into
the family? What affect will the time away from the
family have on the family and the woman?
I could go on, but I'll stop with just these issues.
Mi
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999.22 | More Rambling | USEM::DONOVAN | | Wed Feb 28 1990 08:51 | 15 |
| re:-1
By reading these replies I'm about to concede that USA is not on
the top of the heap but on the bottom as far as electing women
leaders! This doesn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling at all.
re: Evelyn Murphy
I am a Massachusetts Democrat. I like Ms. Murphy but she has a very
strong negative impact on the polls. She's too closely aligned with
the Duke. I think it's kind of like the Ford-Nixon impression. Even
the staunchest of Democrats question her fiscal leadership abilities.
Kate
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999.23 | Why bother? | STAR::RDAVIS | The Man Without Quantities | Wed Feb 28 1990 08:59 | 21 |
| Why hasn't a woman been elected President in the USA?
I like the notion in .20 that idealism has something to do with it.
Compared with the citizens of other democracies, those in the USA are
notably apathetic ("all politicians are crooked", "nothing changes",
etc.). Relative lack of interest in politics (SOAPBOX aside) is a
long-standing American tradition. If you don't care passionately about
something, you can expect the path of least resistance to be followed.
In politics, that path doesn't lead to female leadership.
If Americans cared passionately about their government, then a female
candidate who matched the will of the people would have a chance to
win. Since the people don't have much of a will (: >,) they don't see
why such "drastic measures" would be called for.
I asked a Swiss student many years ago why it took so long for women to
get full political power in Switzerland and his answer was that no one,
men or women, cared enough about politics to bother to make the change.
Ray
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999.24 | 1 vote per person? | USEM::DONOVAN | | Wed Feb 28 1990 09:03 | 8 |
| I know this is off the subject a bit but here goes:
Are there any nations in the world in which women can't vote?
(The countries that come to my mono-cultural ethnocentric mind
may be Iran, Saudi-Arabia.)
Kate
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999.25 | Woman as Mother | HYSTER::DELISLE | | Wed Feb 28 1990 09:50 | 12 |
| Here's a thought - perhaps some of these "third world" countries that
are electing women are responding to a more basic, primordial need that
doesn't occur in the U.S. That is, their countries are in such dire
shape socially, economically etc that they respond to the woman elect
as "Mother". Who does the child run to in times of trouble but mother?
Mother can be trusted - to make things right, to fix things. She can
be trusted, leaned on, will not harm.
I've often thought of this, I haven't the slightest idea how much
validity it may have. I enter it here only for discussion - DNBM - do
not blast me!
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999.26 | | DZIGN::STHILAIRE | send me a cheeseburger & a new Rolling Stone | Wed Feb 28 1990 09:53 | 27 |
| In addition to the points raised in .21, my own opinion is that
one of the major reasons that the US has so few women politicians
and no woman president so far, still has a lot to do with the life
expectations that women in our society are raised to have. It seems
that most of our US presidents have been lawyers (I once read a
list of how many US Presidents hadn't been lawyers and it was very
small) and many have come from the wealthy class. It seems to me
that the majority of the women raised in wealthy families in the
US are raised to be well-dressed, charming, articulate supporters
of men with important jobs, rather than raised to have the important
jobs themselves. Of the Kennedy grandchildren, for example, I can
only think of one female, Kathleen, who has run for political office.
It's 1990 and we still have a WASP male president, who went to
Yale. His wife smilingly supports him, wears pearls and raises
dogs. I think this country is run by rich men who want their women
on pedestals, and some women think it's a nice way for things to be
too (the ones who are on the pedestals leading lives of leisure
while rich men support them).
Also, I believe that children in the US are brainwashed while growing
up to believe that life is better in *every way* in the US than
it is *anywhere* else on the planet. Therefore, when we grow up
it is a shock to meet people from other countries, travel, read
and find out that's not always true.
Lorna
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999.27 | | BUILDR::CLIFFORD | No Comment | Wed Feb 28 1990 11:03 | 45 |
| In a number of countries woman who have taken over the government
has done so by stepping into shoes left empty by the death of a
male relative. Ghandi, Aquino, Bhuto - to name three. I believe they
are (were) all very capable people in their own right. Ms Bhuto
impresses me a great deal. I wonder if the name recognition and
the "romance" of seeing them finish an uncompleted job helped?
This kind of thing would appear to also explain the wives of
US Congressmen and Governors who went on to take their dead husbands
place. Once there they made it or not on their own but being the
wife/daughter/etc of some male helped get them though the male
barrier in the first place.
An other thing that helps woman reach to top in other countries
is the parliamentary system they have. The party that wins the
election elects the chief executive of the country not the people.
People elect their local representative. Sure they know that one
person will vote for a woman prime minister but they themselves
are still electing a man from their district. Aren't most MPs
in the UK men? Even if Japan gets a woman PM most members of the
Diet will still be men. The elected politicians are free to vote
on ability. Ability is not something the general voting public
seems to care about as much as they do other things.
I also wonder if in some countries women get elected to "punish"
a particularly bad man. In a really macho country wouldn't a man
who loses to a woman be less well thought of than one who loses
to an other man?
If people were elected based on what they should be (honesty, ability,
and strength to to the right thing) then sex would not matter.
But that is seldom what wins elections. Look in this conference
where the gender of the candidate is often seen as important.
One thing relating to the situation in Pakistan. The situation there
for women is the result of 100s of years of culture and tradition.
Just electing a woman doesn't undo all that. Change takes time. Trying
to make change too fast is why the Imans rule Iran today. Ms Bhuto
understands that things take time (I heard here say that on TV).
She knows that succeeding slowly is better than failing fast. She
may not always be "politically correct" to US feminists but she's
moving a country into the future and deserves a lot of credit for
even making the attempt.
~Cliff
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999.28 | | MEMIT::MAHONEY | ANA MAHONEY DTN 223-4189 | Wed Feb 28 1990 13:12 | 15 |
| By quickly reading through all answers...it comes to mind that the
majority of readers are chocked that there are so many women rulers
outside of the US...Well, the world does not end by Rio Grande in
Texas! it DOES go on. Women, everywhere, are very capable of doing
whatever has to be done. Some, spend a lot of energy on women rights,
movements, etc, etc, others not, I would not like to be categorized or
included in any kind of group. We are human beings with the ability to
act, judge, work, think, etc, etc, without the need to be included in
any group or special category...women have brains, who can doubt it?
Violeta Chamorro has a very, very difficult path ahead of her, and
Ortega won't help her to suceed in spite of his aparently good faith in
view of the international press that covered the elections... my
respect to her and to the many who are in equal circumstances (Bhuto in
Paquistan, Aquino in Philipines, M. Thatcher in England, Julianna's
daughter in Holland and whoever escapes my memory at this minute...)
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999.29 | to clarify my reply... | DZIGN::STHILAIRE | send me a cheeseburger & a new Rolling Stone | Wed Feb 28 1990 14:24 | 14 |
| Re .28, I, for one, didn't mean to imply that I did not believe
that women outside of the US are not capable of being leaders.
Of course, I realize there are intelligent, capable women all over
the world! But, there are intelligent, capable women in the US,
as well, and we don't seem to be at the point where women can become
leaders very often, and not on the Presidential level. For me the
surprise is not in realizing there are capable women in other parts
of the world, but the surprize came several yrs. ago when I first
realized that the US might not be all it was cracked up to be when
I was a kid in school. My impression then was that the US led the
world in everything. Now, this doesn't seem to be the case.
Lorna
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999.30 | | SAFETY::TOOHEY | | Wed Feb 28 1990 18:43 | 12 |
|
RE: .0
>why do so many other countries have woman heads of state?
I don't know how many countries there are, I would guess a couple
of hundred. Less than ten have woman heads of state, so I don't find
the situation in the U.S. unusual. A better question may be: why do
so few countries have woman heads of state?
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999.31 | "A win but not a victory." | GEMVAX::KOTTLER | | Thu Mar 01 1990 08:53 | 23 |
| A column by Randolph Ryan in yesterday's Boston Globe does the best job
I've seen of putting what happened in Nicaragua in perspective.
Some quotes:
"It is hard to say which is sadder: What happened to Nicaragua and its
people (and its revolution) on the way to the stunning defeat of the
Sandinistas in the election on Sunday. Or the fact that so many Americans
in public life...describe the election victory of the American-backed
candidate as a victory for peace and democracy....
"The vote count was fair. The Nicaraguan people have spoken. But whether
that constitutes democracy depends on whether one's theory of politics
allows for massive interference by a huge, hostile neighboring state....
"The steady message to the Nicaraguan government was: Drop dead or we'll
kill you. And to the people: Dump that government or watch your loved ones
starve....
"What today's self-congratulation in Washington indicates is not that
Nicaraguans have achieved democracy but that Americans have forgotten what
it is."
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999.32 | | USEM::DONOVAN | | Thu Mar 01 1990 08:53 | 4 |
| re:.31
Good point!
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999.33 | a little balance | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | Makaira Indica | Thu Mar 01 1990 09:20 | 32 |
| Randolph Ryan is a dedicated leftist, who has been a sandinista
supporter for some time now. It is certainly not surprising that sour
grapes would find their way into his column. Had the sandinistas won
the election, he would have cheered the results of the election,
proudly exclaiming "the people have spoken." But since his pet team
lost, the game isn't fair anymore. But the fact that the sandinistas
routinely use death squads to eliminate political dissent is "fair."
The fact that the sandinistas do not allow papers with dissenting
opinions from the party line to operate is "fair." The fact that the
sandinistas have imprisoned thousands (and killed thousands more) for
the sole reason that they differed politically is just fine and dandy.
Whether or not you like the contras, you've got to admit that the
sandinistas committed some pretty brutal acts to stay in power. The
contras are not good humor men. They committed atrocities themselves.
But that doesn't excuse the more widespread atrocities and denials of
human rights perpetrated by the sandinistas. That doesn't excuse the
fact that the sandinistas used food as a bludgeon to wear away at their
political opponents (read- any not a dyed in the wool sandinista.)
The whole situation is disgusting. And the elections will actually
change little. Because the contras won't disarm and disband until the
sandinistas hand over power because they feel that the lack of an
opposition will be too tempting for danny, and he'll stage a coup
attempt. (Well, considering that few communists have given up power
peacefully, it's not all that farfetched). And Danny won't give up
power until the contras disband. The end effect of this apparent catch
22 is that Danny will use it to "justify" the fact that he will not
honor the results of the election. He will retain power. And the beat
goes on...
The Doctah
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999.34 | if it's balance you want | YGREN::JOHNSTON | ou krineis, me krinesthe | Thu Mar 01 1990 09:47 | 26 |
| RE.33
While I will not challenge what you have said regarding the atrocities committed
by the Sandanistas, US intervention in the internal politics of another
sovereign state still occurred. Indeed the people _have_ spoken in Nicaragua.
Whether they would have chosen as they did without US interference is moot at
this point.
From my personal viewpoint, I find Contra and Sandanista equally inimical and
would rejoice on the day that neither found favour in the hearts of my people
and corridors of power in my government.
You may be right in declaring that no communist government has ceded its
power to the right without bloodshed. On the other hand, it is equally rare
for Far-Right or Fascist governments to cede their power to the left without
the same.
If the elections in Nicaragua were swayed by US pressures, and even the US
government must think so or they would not be crowing their victory so loudly,
then it is a US victory, not a Nicaraguan one.
Is it truly our right to manage other countries to our advantage? Or might it
be more in keeping with our stated ideals to allow the people of these other
countries self-determination without pressure?
Ann
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999.35 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | Note in your socks. | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:34 | 22 |
| Last year I heard a representative of Amnesty International talk about
the human rights situations in El Salvador and Nicaragua. Because AI
strives to be non-partisan, and to avoid even the appearance of any
ideological bias, the situations in those two countries presented a
unique problem, since the human rights situation in El Salvador, with
its death squads, was so much more worse than that in Nicaragua under
the Sandinistas. He said that AI was actually relieved whenever they
received a report of a human rights violation occurred in Nicaragua,
because of their relative rarity and the desire of AI to appear
non-partisan on the Central America issue at all times.
That is why, I hope that Chomorro's allies, the contras, do disarm
before the UNO regime takes over. There is no reason to assume that
this group would stop its policies of rape, kidnaping, murder, and
other forms of terror once Daniel Ortega left office; in fact, once the
contras' UNO allies are in power, Nicaragua could easily turn into an
El Salvador style "democracy", where death squads have murdered tens of
thousands and utterly terrorized the population. The murder of the
Roman Catholic priests by the Salvadoran military a few months ago was
a well publicized example, but hardly rare, example of this.
-- Mike
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999.36 | Chamorro...willing tool of U.S. intervention | EOS::REHM | Just say NO to invasion | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:39 | 26 |
| I'm what the Boston Globe calls a "Sandinista Sympathizer".
I'm one of thousands of North American men and women who have gone to
Nicaragua to help the people of Nicaragua survive...survive the
contras, CIA disinformation campaigns, mined harbors, blown-up oil
tanks, a strangling economic embargo, ....yes all the devices
of the low intensity conflict that the U.S. has waged for 10 years.
And it was sucessful.
Remember La Prensa? Come, on, you know the paper that openly supported
the Contras while they raped, murdered, destroyed health clinics, &
burned coffee warehouses to the ground? Remember who was editor
through ALL that time? Violetta Chammoro. She allowed herself and
her paper to be used as a tool of U.S. foreign intervention.
La Prensa was one of the primary sources of CIA disinformation. For
example, when I was in Managua in 1983, La Prensa announced that
through bad management, the FSLN had created a cooking oil shortage.
Was there a shortage? NO! But did La Prensa cause a run on cooking
oil in all the markets...thereby creating a shortage? YES!
This is the real Violetta Chamorro. Let's remember her role in all
of this. This is NOT a victory for the women of Nicaragua!
/eric
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999.37 | Ahhh! Democracy... how sweet the smell
| SNOBRD::CONLIFFE | Cthulhu Barata Nikto | Thu Mar 01 1990 10:45 | 37 |
| "Doctah", I can only assume that you've been noting too long and hard to pay
attention to the news these days. Either that, or you're way behind on reading
your "Reader's Digest"!! (-:
Ortega has agreed to abide by the results of the election; he has vowed to
run again for the next election. He has shown a willingness to abide by the
results of the election, and has met/will meet with Mrs Chamorra to work on the
transfer of power in a peaceful and postive manner. Ortega is working on
rebuilding the Sandinista Party as an effective political opposition to the
newly elected government.
These various events were reported on National Public Radio and CNN earlier
this week. This doesn't sound like "Danny" is planning to stage a coup (or did
you mean Danny _Quayle_?)
The election was the most closely monitored of any democratic election in any
country in recent years (I forget the exact number) with both UN and various
independant observers there.
In my opinion, this was not a free election. The US interfered in the running
of a sovereign nation, and manipulated the overthrow of a government through
economic sanctions, political/diplomatic manoevering, armed insurrection and
by pouring money and expertize behind one of the candidates. Surprise! She won.
And democracy lost.
Imagine the outrage if it were discovered
that a large amount (like over 50%) of "Poppy" Bush's campaign backing had come
from the Soviet Union, so that an American president could be elected whose
views more closely matched those of the Soviet Administration. Or imagine
a mighty Soviet army were poised on our borders, with the clear message "Elect
Bush or We Invade"?
At least the Doctah has demonstrated the truth of the old saying; "Propaganda
is that branch of lying which deceives your friends, but not your enemies!"
What has this to do with women in politics???
Nigel
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999.38 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | Makaira Indica | Thu Mar 01 1990 12:23 | 51 |
| > Ortega has agreed to abide by the results of the election; he has vowed to
>run again for the next election.
That was his first reaction; he has been hedging ever since. (IE- we
will not give up our power until xxx...)
>Ortega is working on
>rebuilding the Sandinista Party as an effective political opposition to the
>newly elected government.
The Sandinista party is already the largest and most powerful party in
Nicaragua. "Rebuilding" hardly seems like the proper term.
> In my opinion, this was not a free election.
Because too few dead people voted for the sandinistas? Because too few
UNO sympathisers were prevented from even reaching the polls? Because
there were enough observers to prevent the sort of abuses which have
managed to keep Ortega in power this long?
> The US interfered in the running
>of a sovereign nation, and manipulated the overthrow of a government through
>economic sanctions, political/diplomatic manoevering, armed insurrection and
>by pouring money and expertize behind one of the candidates.
Do you have any idea where the sandinistas got their money? Do you
have any idea how they came into power? Do you believe that it is ok
for a communist country to install a sympathetic government into a
sovereign nation (by force) against the people's wills? When the above
occurs, should the US simply ignore it, especially when the country
could be strategic (geographically) to an attack on our country?
>Surprise! She won.
>And democracy lost.
I suppose that you would say "democracy won" if the sandinistas won.
Aren't you simply an advocate of leftist governments, and would support
the sandinistas regardless of the mood of the country? I'll be honest
with you, if I thought that the majority of the country, when not under
the pressure of political imprisonment, food restrictions, or death
were in favor of that regime, I'd support their right to have it. but I
don't.
>Or imagine
>a mighty Soviet army were poised on our borders, with the clear message "Elect
>Bush or We Invade"?
So you do know how the sandinistas got there in the first place.
The Doctah
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999.39 | Datum and conclusion | REGENT::BROOMHEAD | Don't panic -- yet. | Thu Mar 01 1990 12:39 | 13 |
| Before the election, polls (by American reporters, I gather) were
projecting Ortega as the winner. In a discussion on McNeil-Lehrer
(sp?) on PBS, both sides agreed to this. One side, however, claimed
that people did not trust the pollsters enough to tell them the
truth, for fear of their freedom or even their lives.
He seems to have been right. People lied to these pollsters. This
implies that they feared the Sandinistas' reaction [to an anti-Ortega
vote] more than the Americans' reaction [to a pro-Ortega vote].
Thus, I do not believe the claim that *American* *threats* (Two
independant terms, notice.) affected the election noticably.
Ann B.
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999.40 | what was before? | VIA::HEFFERNAN | Juggling Fool | Thu Mar 01 1990 13:30 | 17 |
| Mark,
You seem to have forgotten what the Sandinista's overthrew. It was
not some nice little democracy down there. It was a brutal right wing
dictatorship (supported by the United States I believe). There was
tremendous poverty and exploitation and a huge difference between the
have's and the have nots. I, like others, would have preferred that
the United States stay out the conflict as much as possible. Many
accounts (in the papers) from actual Nicaraguans say that they were
tired of the civil war and economic hardships more than anything else. I
think the connection between the contras and the trade embargo should
be apparent.
While I don't support much of Communism and its methods, I hope that
the country doesn't go back to being a militairy right wing
dictatorship sponsored by the US of A so that US multinationals can
make large profits from exploiting people...
|
999.41 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | Note in your socks. | Thu Mar 01 1990 13:39 | 52 |
| It is interesting that one of the parties that participated in the UNO
coalition, running against those nasty evil "communist" Sandinistas,
was the Nicaraguan Communist Party. The only thing that really united
UNO was its opposition to the Sandinistas.
The Sandinistas won in free elections in November, 1984. Those
elections were observed by official delegations from Ireland and
Holland, as well as others, who verified the free nature of the
campaign and the vote. Daniel Ortega won 67% of the vote that year,
running against 6 other political parties. As Ortega said yesterday in
a television interview, the Sandinistas never intended to establish a
one-party state, nor did they do so.
The 1990 elections were also conducted fairly by the Sandinistas. In
that sense, therefore, the elections were democratic. However, as fair
as the elections were conducted, unfortunately, the Bush
administration, which has a curious definition of "democracy", heavily
financed the political party it wanted to win the election. Other
pressures included the imposition of a trade embargo which they will
now lift because the party they like has won, the refusal to aid the
country after a devastating hurricane, and the armed support for
terrorist clients (the Contras.) A reasonable explanation for why the
public opinion polls were wrong is that the people answered the
pollsters with their hearts, but voted with their pocketbooks. And why
not? Economic blackmail by the U.S. can be very convincing. Now the
trade embargo will be lifted and aid will be forthcoming.
The reasons for the Reagan and Bush administration policies in
Nicaragua had nothing to do with supporting democracy, since the
Sandinistas had established a democracy, and since these
administrations have staunchly supported dictatorships elsewhere (such
as China and Chile, for example.) It would seem that the actual reason
is the same as that used to justify 1954 CIA engineered golpe de estado
in Guatemala, the 1973 CIA supported golpe de estado in Chile, and all
the other countless interventions by the Gringos--the U.S. simply
considers Latin America its own to run as it pleases, and has done so
since the early 1800s, long before the alleged communist "threat".
Now that UNO has won the election, of course, the real question is
whether or not Bush's Contra terrorist buddies will disarm or not.
Will Nicaragua resemble El Salvador, with the Contras running rampant
and raping, kidnaping, torturing and murdering as their death squad
cohorts in El Salvador have been doing? Will everything wonderful that
the Sandinistas have done be in vain? We can only hope not.
In any case, Daniel Ortega remains one of the great figures in
twentieth century politics, and deserves to be congratulated for what
he has accomplished in the last ten years. My heart goes out to him,
and to the Sandinistas, who remain the largest single political party
in Nicaragua.
-- Mike
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999.42 | | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | Makaira Indica | Thu Mar 01 1990 13:50 | 39 |
| re: .39
I agree completely, Ann. Well said.
> The Sandinistas won in free elections in November, 1984.
You forgot the quotes around free. I do not call using guns to prevent
people from voting against you "free." Perhapos you do.
>However, as fair
> as the elections were conducted, unfortunately, the Bush
> administration, which has a curious definition of "democracy", heavily
> financed the political party it wanted to win the election.
Perhaps you'd liek to finish the story, Mike. Perhaps you'd like to
tell how much money the US spent. Then tell how much the Sandinistas
spent. Then tell us where the Sandinistas got the money. (Hint: the US
was outspent by wide margin). That's "freedom," though. (Time to add a
defnition in the dictionary- this type of "freedom" is being bandied
about sufficiently that it ought to be added as an alternate
definition.
> Now that UNO has won the election, of course, the real question is
> whether or not Bush's Contra terrorist buddies will disarm or not.
No, the real question is whether Mr. Ortega will abide by the vote and
relinquish power. (At that point, the contras have said they will be
happy to disarm).
> In any case, Daniel Ortega remains one of the great figures in
> twentieth century politics, and deserves to be congratulated for what
> he has accomplished in the last ten years. My heart goes out to him,
> and to the Sandinistas, who remain the largest single political party
> in Nicaragua.
He certainly is what the left can look up to.
The Doctah
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999.43 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | Note in your socks. | Thu Mar 01 1990 14:10 | 19 |
| As I mentioned, several international observers found the 1984
elections fair and free. However, Mark, if it makes you feel better,
you can continue to refute this by making ridiculous charges against
the Sandinistas. Obviously, every nation, including the U.S. is guilty
of at least some human rights violations, but since your allegations
about "death squads" and such in Nicaragua are not consistent with
numerous human rights reports from the region, I I can only assume that
you must be confused--perhaps you are thinking of El Salvador, Bush's
model "democracy", in which the death squads are a very real and
serious problem. Or perhaps you are thinking of the contras, whose
murder, rapes, and kidnaping were quite effective means of terror
against the Nicaraguan population.
As for the the Contra terrorists promising to lay down their arms after
their allies come to power--yeah, right. That's kind of like the brown
shirts promising to behave once Adolph Hitler becomes chancellor. We
all remember Crystal Night, don't we?
-- Mike
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999.44 | go to mail if you want to continue this "conversation" | WAHOO::LEVESQUE | Makaira Indica | Thu Mar 01 1990 15:21 | 16 |
| If you stand at the polls, and everyone who comes to the polls smiles
and votes- it's a fair election, right? What about when you start
walking down the road, and you get to places where people are held at
gunpoint, not allowed to GO to the polls where the voting is being
held? But all the observers at the polls are convinced that everything
is on the up and up. Go figure.
>I can only assume...
Very dangerous, Mike. And wrong in this case.
Kinda neat how you turned the contras into Hitler followers. Nice
juxtaposition. As if your worshipping of Ortega didn't already contain a
slight clue as to where your ideological interests were.
The Doctah
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999.45 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | Note in your socks. | Thu Mar 01 1990 17:39 | 10 |
| There is no point in dragging this out, either by mail or in notes. I
happen to consider your charges against the Sandinistas to be grossly
inaccurate, and not because, as you suggest, I "worship" Daniel Ortega,
although I do admire the man a great deal. Similarly, you question my
own perception of events in Nicaragua, which of course is your right.
This could go on and on, endlessly. Perhaps it would be better to
return this topic back to the question of female heads of state, and
put the ideological discussions, at least for the moment, to rest.
-- Mike
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999.46 | | GEMVAX::KOTTLER | | Fri Mar 02 1990 08:09 | 5 |
| re .37,
'What does this have to do with women in politics' -
not a thing, that I can see. Maybe we need a separate topic?
|
999.47 | Questions | USEM::DONOVAN | | Fri Mar 02 1990 09:28 | 21 |
| re:-1
The note was meant to be two-fold. I did want to hear more about
Ms. Chamorra. I also wanted to hear about other woman heads of state.
Mike,
What might Ms. Chamorra do to hurt these people? Do you think
her government will carry the corruption of it's predecessor (before
Ortega)? Do you think it will have a negative impact on the standard
of living of these people?
Mark, (Doctah)
Your reference of "left" and "right" surprises me. These people
are in absolute poverty. You can't eat "left". You can't sleep in
a "right". My kids need shoes on their feet not political rhetoric.
Who's government do you think would help the people's
standard of living more?
Kate
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999.48 | | CSC32::M_VALENZA | | Fri Mar 02 1990 09:41 | 95 |
| The following list describes the opposition parties who ran in the 1990
Nicaraguan election. This information is taken from the Winter/Spring
issue of the magazine Nicaraguan Perspectives:
First, here are the parties in Chamorro's UNO coalition:
o Independent Liberal Party (PLI). This party was formed in 1944 by
anti-Somoza factions of Somoza's Nationalist Liberal Party (PLN).
Withdrew from the 1984 elections two weeks before election day after
meeting with the U.S. ambassador, but received 9.6% of the vote anyway,
and elected eight members in the national assembly that year.
o Constitutionalist Liberal Party (PLC). Split from the PLN in 1968
over presidential aspirations of Ramiro Sacasa, a Somoza rival.
o Neo-Liberal Party (PALI). Formed in 1985 by elements of the PLN,
which had disintegrated in 1979 after Somoza's flight from the country.
o Social Democratic Party (PSD). Formed from the Nicaraguan
Conservative Party (PCN), which was allied with Somoza's PLN, after the
fall of Somoza. Its general secretary, Alfredo Cesar, was a member of
the contra political directorate.
o National Conservative Party (PNC). Formed by rightist elements of the
PDCN in 1983. Originally known as the PCN.
o Popular Alliance Conservative Party (PAPC). Formed from elements of
the PNC after the 1984 election. Led by Myriam Arguello.
o National Conservative Alliance Party (PANC). Split from the PCDN (see
below) in 1989.
o National Action Party (PAN). Split from the PSC in 1987 (see below).
o National Confidence Democratic Party (PDC). Split from the PSC in
1987 (see below). The PSC is affiliated with the Christian Democratic
International; the split occurred in opposition to the CDI's declaration
in 1987 opposing armed struggle against the Sandinistas, with the PSC
forming from a pro-contra faction, led by Agustin Jarquin.
o Nicaraguan Socialist Party (PSN). Founded in 1944 as an orthodox
communist party. In 1984 it received 1.3 percent of the vote and two
assembly seats. In 1988 it officially renounced Marxism-Leninism.
o Communist Party of Nicaragua (PCdeN). Founded in 1966 in a split from
the PSN. In 1984 it received 1.5 percent of the vote and two assembly
seats.
o Central American Unionist Party (PUCA). Founded in 1920 by Nicaraguan
exiles in El Salvador. Its goal is the establishment of a Central
American federation.
o Central American Integrationism Party (PAIC). A faction of PUCA.
o Nicaraguan Democratic Movement (MDN). Founded by anti-Somoza members
of the business community in 1978. Founded by Alfonso Robelo, who later
helped form the contras.
These are the non-UNO parties which ran their own candidates in the 1990
election:
o Democratic Conservative Party of Nicaragua (PCDN). Formed in 1956 by
anti-Somoza elements of the Nicaraguan Conservative Party (PCN) who
opposed that party's alliance with Somoza. Finished second in the 1984
elections, with fourteen members in the national assembly.
o National Unity Liberal Party (PLIUN). Formed in 1987 by those opposed
to the leadership of the PLI.
o Social Conservatism Party (PSOC). Split from the PAPC in 1989. Lead
by former leader of the PCN during the 1970s.
o Social Christian Party (PSC). Founded in 1957. Is affiliated with
the worldwide Christian Democratic movement, and is a member of the
Christian Democrat International. Abstained from the 1984 elections, a
decision now regarded as a mistake by party leader Erick Ramirez.
o Popular Social Christian Party (PPSC). Split from the PSC in 1976
because it favored armed struggle against Somoza. Received 5.6% of the
vote in 1984, and earned six assembly seats in that election. Was in
UNO, but withdrew to run its own candidates.
o Popular Action Movement-Marxist Leninist (MAP-ML). Founded as a
Maoist party in 1972. In 1984 it received one percent of the vote and
two assembly seats.
o Revolutionary Workers Party (PRT). Trotskyist party formed after the
1984 elections.
o Movement for Revolutionary Unity (MUR). Founded in 1988 by dissidents
from all left-wing parties, including the FSLN (Sandinistas). Headed by
a former Sandinista, Moises Hassan, who was mayor of Managua.
-- Mike
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999.49 | | PACKER::WHARTON | Sapodilla gal... | Fri Mar 02 1990 21:13 | 7 |
| I feel that many women in the third world are taught to be bright and
intelligent. Sure, some may adhere to custom by agreeing to an arranged
marriage, but that does not stop them from pursuing higher education.
In fact, education is such a magnificent jewel that women like Bhutto
are admired and respected by the most "macho" of men.
Intelligence is beauty.
|
999.50 | | MEIS::HASHMI | | Wed Mar 07 1990 15:20 | 63 |
| Back to the question:
QUESTION: Why do so many other countries have women heads of state?
Many of these countries are not known for their stances
on equal rights. Why are so few American women in office?
In my opinion, when a role of an individual is not clearly defined
in a society, it's impossible for that individual to succeed. I'm
referring to the role of women in society. Culturally speaking,
America is a new country, about 200 years, and individual roles have
not been defined yet. In other countries, people have been living
together for thousands of years and they have strict guidelines for
individual achievements where in America it's not. I have been here
in America for many years and have an impression, as portrayed by
the media, that women are simply a sex object while in Indian
sub-continent (India, Pakistan, Bangla Dash), women's role is defined
as a mother (not so called western concept of home maker), who have
equal opportunity for education and her career, so when a woman is
in public eye, she isn't treated as a sex object but a respectable
a member of society. There is a saying in our country that if you
want want to go to heaven, then worship your mother.
In Islamic society, there is segregation, but no discrimination.
There are schools for women where they can study any thing they
wish to, Engineering, Medicine etc. and after graduation, they'll
get paid same as their male colleagues. In that part of the world,
you'll find much higher number of women doctors, engineers than you'll
see in USA. And also there is function of human race to reproduce,
where having kids and raising them is a duty of both parents and not
only the women. There, you might be surprised to see how men take
care of their children. In Pakistan, when a working woman has a kid,
she'll get 3 month maternity leave with full pay. When I came to USA,
I was surprised to hear that a women lecturer will be paid less than
her counterpart with same education/skill. I never heard of this
in Pakistan. Therefore, role of women is clearly defined as a
productive member of society and not simply a sex object.
As long as Ms. Bhutto is concerned, she is playing her role.
She is educated, got married according to the customs of the
country she lives in, a mother, and very popular in the country.
She knows the culture and attempting to move Pakistan towards
next century. (Zia did really screwed up the country). Three days
back I returned from Pakistan after a month long visit and was
surprised to see many TV programs which were canceled by Zia.
There was a very interesting weekly TV program, called "Doosri
Dunia" - another world, in which professional women were
interview for their success and gave hints/contacts for those
women who are interested in starting their own business. I have
never seen such an informative program for women on American TV.
There are some professional associations such as AWIS (American
Women In Science) who do publish a monthly report to share such
ideas and opportunities for women in sciences, but again it's
limited to those who are member but not on public TV or so.
Ms. Bhutto is not the only women in the government. There are many
more who are holding key government positions as well.
To summarize all this, I would say, American public has a different
concept of women' role in society (mostly males) and as long as media
does not correct image of women in the society, people will not
take women seriously.
Any comments?
|
999.51 | is the ocean wet? | GEMVAX::KOTTLER | | Thu Mar 08 1990 12:57 | 12 |
| re .-1 -
Media portrayal of women as sex objects is big business in this
country. Lots of people make lots of money that way. Porn alone is a
$10 billion a year business. And in advertisting, how products got sold
before someone came up with the idea of using nubile female bodies to
sell them (*any* product) is a big mystery.
Does this image of women in the media mean they're taken less
seriously, and are therefore less likely to attain positions of power?
What do *you* think?
|
999.52 | | MEIS::HASHMI | | Thu Mar 08 1990 14:14 | 24 |
|
>Does this image of women in the media mean they're taken less
>seriously, and are therefore less likely to attain positions of power?
>What do *you* think?
In my opinion, women are capable to holding any position and do as well
job as men but that is opinion of few in millions.
Image of women as portrayed by the media as a sex object, it's origin
and effects on society needs a whole new topic to discuss, however, I
simply state it is just like few years back in America when blacks had
an image as slaves and in-capable of holding positions of power until
they organized, struggled and now you can see that our attitude (image)
towards blacks is changing. Another example: When ever in Lebanon,
terrorist strikes, here media portrays them as **MUSLIM TERRORIST**, but
when Irish Republic Army (IRA) strikes and kills innocent people, it's
aired as IRA terrorist and not the **CHRISTEN TERRORIST**. Then in
America, we develop an attitude towards Muslims that they are all
terrorist.
Similarly it'll be a long fight for women in America to change the
attitude (image) as sex object which is deep rooted in the society.
Children from very beginning start getting such ideas from TV and it
will be a long fight to change that and eventually it will change.
|
999.53 | Chamorro - leader for the people or figurehead for the rich? | VAXWRK::TCHEN | Weimin Tchen VAXworks 223-6004 PKO2 | Thu Mar 08 1990 21:07 | 189 |
| > <<< Note 999.47 by USEM::DONOVAN >>>
> -< Questions >-
>
> What might Ms. Chamorra do to hurt these people? Do you think
> her government will carry the corruption of it's predecessor (before
> Ortega)? Do you think it will have a negative impact on the standard
> of living of these people?
>
> Who's government do you think would help the people's
> standard of living more?
I'd like to reply to Kate Donovan. Of course, I'm not impartial :-)
I feel that a leader cannot alone bring about true social changes. There must
be a broad movement from which the leader rises, and from which the leader gets
ideas, inspiration and the power to take action. Moreover, the movement
provides the people who actually implement changes. This is because true change
involves changing the power relations between classes of people. Thus we need
to change our understanding of how the present structure works and of our
ability to change it; then we can go on to organize to transform society.
For example look at the Civil Rights movement - some people attribute the
accomplishment to leaders such as Martin Luther King or Malcolm X. I agree that
they provided inspiration and insight but these leader functioned on a broad
base of support. For example, King was an unknown minister chosen to lead the
Montgomery bus boycott by groups that had long been active - the Brotherhood of
Negro Porters and the NAACP - in order to involve non-active church-going
people. Once the organizing began, there was a ground-swell of support far
beyond these circles and King showed his validated their choice.
People can also be falsely be promoted as figureheads to subvert a movement. We
see this recently in the appointment of various Black officials. For example
Reagan appointed conservative Blacks - some of whom were more interested in
promoting their own interests than that of fellow Blacks. Former HUD Secretary
Pierce is one - he is being investigated about granting of funds for developing
low income housing. The Boston School Board several years ago appointed
Superintendant Wilson, a Black man who was the most conservative candidate
under consideration. Recently Boston Mayor Flynn has proposed appointing a
Black to a housing post rather that a White housing activist favored by Black
community groups.
You can admire Chamorro as a woman who has gained the office of president,
but to see if she is likely to help the women of Nicaragua, it is necessary
to see whom she represents. Chamorro is the head of one of the leading
landowning families in Nicaragua. (Like Corazon Aquino.) What has been the
position of this class? Traditionally it supported rulers who maintained
their control over their extensive lands growing coffee and banana cash crops
and over the peons who worked for them.
However, after a devastating earthquake impoverished the middle-class and in
addition Somoza stole international relief money, then even parts of the
upper-class realized that, like the Shah and Marcos, Somoza wasn't allowing the
elite their share. At this point these groups joined the Sandinistas. Another
of the triggering points was the assasination of Violetta's husband - the upper
class saw that even they were not immune from death squad executions. This is
similar to the assasination of Corazon Aquino's husband. After the revolution,
just as in the Philippines, there comes a struggle between the working class and
the elite over who will control the government, the factories and the
farmlands.
When the Sandinista's overthrew Somoza, they seized his lands and those of
opposition landowners and redistributed them to peasants as individual plots
or collectively as an estate. (Land ownership has been the central conflict
in Mexico and Central America for atleast the last hundred years). Educated
young people from the middle class were sent out in a movement to bring literacy
and health care to the poor (and also to bring together the middle class and
the peasants). Neighborhood committee were formed for people to solve local
problems. Women and religious workers gained prominent positions in the
government. (Women had played a leading role in the defeat of Somoza's National
Guard.)
However, the economic blockade by the US, attacks on farms and government
workers by the Contra's (organized by the CIA), a falling price of coffee,
inexperienced business management by the Sandinista's and the departure of
experienced people has lead to massive inflation and fall in production.
(Nicaragua's neighbors aren't immune to bad economic conditions but they
are kept afloat by massive US economic aid. Thus all are client states of the
US; even Costa Rica, which is experiencing no war.)
Thus I feel that Nicaraguans supported UNO to end the war, remove the blockade
and to get economic aid. What happens after Chamorro assume office? As show in
.48, UNO is a fragile coalition which even contains the official Communist
Party.
Wealthy exiles are already calling for the restoration of confiscated land and
factories. This could easily lead bloodshed since Sandinista's usually
handed-out rifles with grants of land. (Does it sound like the Sandinista's
afraid of the people?). The Contra's could easily return to their death squad
role. (Before the election, the Sandinista's released all political prisoners -
even those who had tortured and killed. e.g. the killers of Carlos Foneseca (a
founder of the Sandinista's), Daniel Ortega's torturers.) The Sandinista's are
trying to retain control of the army and police.
Then we need to look at the role of the US who funded Chamorro's campaign
and promised her aid and an end to the economic blockade in her trip to
Washington. Below is a summary of intervention by US forces in Nicaragua.
P.S. I have added reply 1006.7 which discusses the interaction of working women
and wealthy women in the labor movement at the time when Int Women's Day was
chosen.
*******************************************************************************
1855-1856
William Walker took over a contract to supply mercenaries to one of the factions
of landowners in Nicaragua. (Previously he had invaded the Mexican territory
which Mexico was then forced to sell to the US as the Gadsen Purchase.) In 1856,
he was "elected" Nicaragua's president. However since he interfered with the
plans of Cornelius Vanderbuilt and also those of Britain to build a
inter-oceanic canal, Britain ran him out (twice) and then shot him when he tried
a repeat performance in Honduras.
1881
Over 7,000 people died in a war that came from the aristocracts
intensified efforts to seize Indians' communal lands for plantations and
lumbering. These aristocrats worked together with US interests, such as the
United Fruit Co., to turn these Indians into peons on immense coffee and
banana plantations.
1909 - 1933
The US armed and backed two conservative generals, Estrada and Chamorro
against President Zelaya who was trying to implement limited reforms (limiting
the power & wealth of the church and the landowners; reforming the judiciary).
(Does the name, Chamorro sound familiar?) The US sent down its navy and broke
off relations thus forcing Zelaya to flee. Since the US didn't favor the next
president chosen by the Nicaraguan Congress, it imposed a junta of Estrada,
Chamorro, D�az and Mena. After several resignations, D�az, an employee of a US
mining company, became president and proceeded to turn over the ports, customs,
revenues, railroads and banks to US interests.
The Nicaraguan Congress gagged on this and tried to appoint the
relatively-liberal Mena as president. However US troops defeated Mena and forced
him to flee. Benjamin Zeledon, an aide of Mena, who was also a doctor and
teacher, stayed to fight D�az. US marines landed and aided in his capture and
execution in 1912. This US occupation lasted till 1933. The commander of the US
forces, Gen. Butler Smedley, later describe their role as "high priced muscle
for Wall St.".
In 1926 Augusto C�sar Sandino began his uprising against the US occupation. He
joined with Gen. Moncada and liberal interests to oust D�az. However, when they
were about to take Managua, US troops intervened. Ambassador Stimson convened a
"peace" conference. There Gen. Moncado betrayed the Nicaraguan liberals and
agreed to lay down his arms, thus allowing D�az to reign till the end of his
term in 2 years. Then there were to be elections in which Moncado would be the
main candidate. A US-trained-and-led National Guard was formed as the
President's private arm.
Sandino and others rejected this deal among the generals and refused to disarm.
After suffering reverses against US airpower and modern weapons, the Sandinistas
withdrew to the jungles of northern Nicaragua to wage guerrilla warfare. The US
forces left in 1933 after unsuccessfully using the usual weapons of occupiers
(leveling of towns, relocations camps, indiscriminate bombings, mass executions
etc.) They put Anastasio Somoza (the Ambassador's translator) in charge of the
the National Guard. (Nixon referred to this policy as "Vietnamesation" - i.e.
In a protracted guerrilla war, withdraw US troops and set up the local elite as
proxies.)
When Gen. Moncado was replaced with the liberal Sacasa, Sandino signed a peace
treaty with Sacasa which recognized the patriotism of the Sandinista's actions
and promised them farmland. However, in consultation with the US Ambassador,
Somoza had the Guard kill Sandino and three of his aids as he left the
Presidential Palace on the night of February 21, 1934. In the following days,
the Guard killed over 300 leading Sandinista's. President Sacasa tried to
control the Guard but it besieged the Palace and forced him to resign. In 1937
Somoza became president.
Over the next 30 years, the Somoza family accumulated about $900 million, thus
controlling all major sources of income in association with US interest.
Suppression of peasants cost 20,000 lives. After Anastasio Somoza was
assassinated, he was succeeded by his West-Point trained son, Tachito (after a
short struggle with his elder brother). Under Somoza, Nicaragua served as a
military base - e.g. as a staging area for the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba.
(This is similar to the role the Honduras plays today.)
Much of the above information comes from the very-readable
NICARAGUA FOR BEGINNERS by Ruiz.
-Weimin Tchen
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999.54 | | HKFINN::KALLAS | | Wed Mar 21 1990 14:41 | 14 |
| It should be mentioned that many (most?) of the female leaders
have family connections to past leaders - Cory Aquino's husband
was the leader of Marcos's opposition until he was assassinated,
Chamorro's husband was prominent in Nicaraguan politics (editor
of the largest newpaper) bafore his death, Benazar Bhutto (sp?)
is the daughter of a former leader of Pakistan, as was Indira
Gandhi the daughter of a former leader of India (Nehru). Perhaps
these women came more easily to power because they inherited
something in way of a power structure from the men who preceeded
them (and because, IMO, they are figureheads for the ruling
class and thus more easily tolerated - I also happen to think
George Bush and Ronald "I have no memory" Reagan are mere figureheads
for the ruling class but guess that's off the subject. Or maybe
not.)
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999.55 | nit | TRNSAM::HOLT | Robert Holt. ISV Atelier West. | Fri Apr 06 1990 00:27 | 5 |
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Bush is no one's figurehead...
Reagan is someone's figurehead...
only he doesn't remember whose.
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