Conference turris::womannotes-v2

What is a "beaudoir" photo?  Like, pictures of you less than fully dressed,
or something?  Are there places that will do that for a fee??

D!

    re -1
    
    Beaudoir photography is pictures in lingere.  There are a few
    different classifications of it.  Romantic which is kind of
    victorian in essence.  Glamour which is high polish type stuff.
    Free Spirit which is what ever you want it to be basically.
    
    I have looked at many photographers works who do this.  Each
    photographer is different.  Some include partial nudity,
    most include no nudity.  The woman who is shooting my photos
    likes to keep an air of respectability in her photos which
    is what I want.  I don't want them to look like shots out
    of a smut magazine.  Her pictures have a soft dreamy aspect
    to them and none include nudity.  In fact, she said that 
    the majority of the photos are taken fully clothed, but show
    an aspect of the person which is not normally seen.
                                                       
    Regarding the fee.  It depends on where you have the photos taken.
    It can get quite expensive , but I shopped around and found
    a great price for what I want to purchase.  
    
    Mi

    Hi Michele....
    
    I did my photo-shoot over a year ago, but I found it to be a very
    rewarding experience.  I think it is wise that you shopped around,
    because there are some photographers out there that can take advantage
    of you financially, or otherwise.  My photos were taken by a man,
    who is a good friend of one of my girlfriends and at first I was
    very uncomfortable, but as the session progressed I felt more relaxed
    and enjoyed what was going on.  I did it for "ME", not for a boyfriend,
    or SO, just to give myself a lift....and it worked!!  First he had
    a makeup artist do my makeup, then we spent the next 5hours shooting
    pictures.  After we were done he had taken over 180 pictures...very
    tiring, but fun.  When the pictures came back I couldn't believe
    they were me!!  I know a couple other girlfriends that have done
    it and they also had a good experience, so my advice to you is enjoy
    it, and I'm sure your boyfriend will too!!
    
    K

    Not to upstage Jody, our resident historian, but I think there was a 
    note on this topic about a year ago.
    
    I can't remember if it was in V1 or V2.
    
    What sticks in my mind, though, is that the photographer who
    does this, lives in my (I guess) not-so-sleepy-little-town,
    Sharon, MA.
    
      Alan

    I believe the correct spelling is "boudoir" photography.  (Darn those
    French folks, who taught them how to spell anyway?....)
    
    I remember reading an article about boudoir photographers.  A good one
    will have a makeup artist, hairstylist and maybe even wardrobe
    consultant to do a mini-makeover for the pictures and give the subject
    confidence.  If the photographer is male, some will have another woman
    present to chaperone (probably makeup or hairstylist).  Usually they 
    have 3-4 settings.  

    Well, if he's into hockey how about....

    You wear a hockey jersy that is just long enough to make it unclear
    whether you have on anything else. Have the shot taken with you in a
    semi-reclining postion with one leg around a hockey stick (in
    whatever manner you so desire) with maybe other hockey stuff around.
    You could have it captioned "what I like about hockey is the puck".
    liesl

    
    re:.6
    wow
    i'm impressed
    do you do any, umm, 'consulting'?
    

    
    Re: .6
    
    
    don't stop....  don't stop....!!!!       :-)
    
    
    
    

    I looked, honest, and I couldn't find it - so if anyone has any
    idea where it is, please speak up!
    
    -Jody

    re .0:
    
    I'd read the fine print.  Unless otherwise stated, I believe the
    negatives, and the right to publish these pictures as the photographer
    sees fit (for fun and profit) are retained by the photographer, unless
    those rights are specifically waived.
    
    fyi,
    Marge

    Boudoir photography is an interesting phenomenon, and it brings a
    a few questions to mind....
    
    Do any of you see this as a perpetuation of a sexist image of women
    in relationship to men? Or more as a "fun" item? 
    
    The reason I ask is that there doesn't seem to be a male equivalent
    for women. Would any of the women here be interested in having their
    male friends photographed in a boudoir style? And how would you
    do it if you did?  
    
    -roger
    
    

    
    
    RE-1
    
    The photographer who is going to take my photos does this part-time.
    She was a professional photographer before having kids when she
    put it on hold.  She does not require me to sign anything, and I
    will be receiving the negatives. But I will make sure there are
    not any conditions involved.
    
    Thanks for your concern!
    
    Mi

Re: .11

>   Do any of you see this as a perpetuation of a sexist image of women
>   in relationship to men? 

Could be but doesn't have to be.

>   Or more as a "fun" item? 

Yeah!
    
>   The reason I ask is that there doesn't seem to be a male equivalent
>   for women. Would any of the women here be interested in having their
>   male friends photographed in a boudoir style? And how would you
>   do it if you did?  

Umm... some of my male friends do this. Of course they're gay, how does that
affect your question? I've also had some "racy" pictures of me taken, and
never had any complaints... :-) and some requests for reprints... :-) :-)

	-- Charles

    
    re 11
    
    Roger,
    
    Many of the photographers I had talked to had indicated that many
    woman wanted these same services available for men.  And the majority
    of the photographers said they were willing to do it.  I think the
    problem would be getting the guys to do it.  I'm sure there are
    alot of men out there who secretly would love to do it, but would
    never take the chance.  I know there are many women out there who
    would love to have pictures of their guys. 
    
    In regards to the sexist attitude. I think in a way you are correct.
    Society has yet to embrace this type of photography of men, yet
    it is acceptable for women.  
    
    I just want to do it to have some fun.  I don't see anything wrong
    with it as long as the photos are professional and do not offend
    me.  I'm sure most folks would agree with me once they saw the photos.
    My Mom was really upset with the idea when I told her, but I think
    she feels they will be porn shots which they will absolutely not
    be.
    
    Mi

    RE:.13
    Ooo, Charles, you got a list where we can sign up for copies? :-)

    Most people just don't seem to me to be good looking enough for
    it to be worthwhile.  How much can a photographer touch up a photo
    anyway?  (Michelle, please don't take this personally as I have
    no idea what you look like!  And, I know Charles is cute, so I'm
    sure his pictures didn't turn out bad! :-)  )  But, really imagining
    the average guy on the street (or in the Mill! ha!) posing in his
    underwear strikes me as slightly ludicrous.  (I mean looks *are*
    everything when you're posing in your underwear!)
    
    Lorna
    

    A local Worcester, MA rag has several photo shops advertising this
    service.  Part of the ad includes a "before" and "after" picture.  Sort
    of like the "before" and "after" of weight loss ads.
    
    I have to admit that there was a striking difference between the before
    and after shots, although how true-to-life they are I wouldn't know. 
    None of them simply had the woman in her underwear; it was much more
    posing, makeup, and lighting than anything else.  I can imagine lots of
    guys who are not necessarily considered attractive who could come out
    looking quite good.  It depends on the pose and how natural it looks.
    Of course, other guys would probably look just ridiculous.  Just like
    there might be some women where the whole situation looks too
    contrived.
    
    Jim

    
    
    Re: .16
    
    
    Hey, hey, what was that comment about guys at the mill....????
    
    As a local Mill resident, I take offense....      :-)
    
    
    

	 Lorna....

	 I think it is not the look that is important, but the
	 intimacy of the picture.  The picture is taken with a certain
	 person in mind...the primping and such beforehand makes the
	 person feel really special and really important.   And
	 feeling special is portrayed in that picture.....

	 And beauty is in the eye of the beholder....it's not the
	 picture so much as the thoughts and feelings behind it.



	 kath

    When I get my new camera/lens getup (eventually I'll get something
    to supercede the 1950 SLR Argus) I know someone who I might even
    get up the courage to ask to pose for me.  I'd really want to do
    some tasteful close-up shots of different curves and planes on his
    body - making him into a landscape (diffuse lighting, B&W film)...
    
    The only racy pictures of guys I like looking at are soloflex-type
    beefcake calendars and beach-shot postcards....and honestly I like
    'em better with their pants on, rather than a "slingshot" (or
    whatever).  
    
    -Jody

    Re .20, yeah, I liked that poster that was out a few years back
    with the soloflex guy who was pulling his shirt off over his head.
    (What a bod!)  I think guys with great bodies look good in tight
    jeans and no shirt.  I also like those photos in the Obsession men's
    cologne ads.  (It's difficult to believe that are actually real
    men somewhere who look that good!)
    
    Re .19, Kath, well, I respect it for other people and all, but I
    just don't think it would mean much to me.  I can think of other
    things I'd rather have.  (Boy, that's an understatement.) :-)
    
    I mean, if I were in love with a homely man for his mind, I still
    don't think I'd want a picture of him scantily clad. :-)
    
    Lorna
    

    
    	Right.  Anyone who's ever seen a Woody Allen movie has seen
    	him in his underwear.  I love the man's mind but considering
    	how he looks standing in droopy saggy boxers in front of the
    	camera I think I'd rather concentrate on the cerebral aspect 
    	of his humanhood.
    
    	Now those Soloflex men are a different story!  Woof!
    
    	I do think a tastefully done set of romantic photos would be 
    	a lovely gift for either a boyfriend or a girlfriend.
    
    	Carla
    

From .6:

>    You wear a hockey jersy that is just long enough to make it unclear
>    whether you have on anything else. Have the shot taken with you in a
>    semi-reclining postion with one leg around a hockey stick (in
>    whatever manner you so desire) with maybe other hockey stuff around.
>    You could have it captioned "what I like about hockey is the puck".

    Now imagine the Soloflex model in this getup ;-)	

    I just happened to glance across an ad in yesterday's Nashua Telegraph
    for a photographer who advertises boudoir photography - "The perfect
    gift for that special man".  The photographer's name is Christine Dorr
    and the number given is 888-1356.
    
    				Steve

    Regarding the idea of doing this type of photo shoot with men,
    the thought that lept to mind first was something that Lorna
    touched on.
    
    The basic "set-up" of this type of photo (with women) seems to be
    of the woman in lingerie. OK, so far so good. But there really
    isn't any lind of "lingerie" for men. Well, maybe there is, and
    I've just never come across it (I'm not into fashion as a rule).
    So what happens here? Just shots of men in briefs or jockey shorts?
    Or wearing their pajamas? Seems kind of silly to me, but then,
    maybe it's just my perspective.
    
    --- jerry

    Re: .25

    Jerry...  take a look at ANY FOH catalog... the last several pages
    are devoted to men's lingerie...  Even Victoria Secrets' has mens
    silk stuff....

    Stuff for men is around, I just don't think _most_ men are into going
    out and finding it... its both very sexy and very funny (well, some of
    the stuff from FOH is!!!)

    G

    Hmmm. I don't think I'd like the boudoir-type shots - but I might be
    interested in some kind of "fantasy photo," in which I could dress up
    as a medieval queen, an elven thief, a valkyrie or some such. Or what
    about "recreating" some famous portrait, with one's son as the "Blue
    Boy," or hubby as one of those dashing Spanish noblemen... (I'm talking
    full set, costume, and makeup here, not those cardboard things you
    stick your face through!)
    
    This would, of course, require both tact and artistry on the part of
    the photographer, if it wasn't to look silly. Could be fun, though.
    
    -b

    I am not turned on by men in underwear....BUT I am turned on when I see
    a man shirtless and wearing jeans and the zipper is provocatively
    lowered, that is very sexy, to me anyway.  I have already seen pix of
    men "undressed" this way in some ads.  Maybe some men would consider
    having a "boudoir" photo session dressed thusly???  Mmmmm.
    
    
    -Dotti.

    Particularly if the jeans are ragged and strategically ripped...
    (*sigh*)
    
    -Jody
    

	 RE: -.1

	 I agree...it doesn't need to be lingerie on a man...I have
	 the infamous "All Men Are Not Created Equal" poster on my
	 wall at work......shows a guy in wayfarer sunglasses, no
	 shirt and he's unbuttoning his levis (obvious there is
	 nothing on underneath)...it's a very tasteful picture and
	 it's done in black and white (I'd do some of these in black
	 and white of myself if I was going to do this!)

	 There are many creative things men could do...if he's into
	 sports he could pose with his favorite sports gear....or
	 music, he could strike a pose with his guitar, keyboard,
	 etc....

	 kath

    Re:25
    
    Undercover Wear, a party sales organisation like tupperware, has some 
    great stuff for men. The glow-in-the-dark boxers are a riot!
    Turn off the lights and play hide and seek.
    janet
    

RE:  Previous few

Well, I know what I'm wearing to the next *wm* party!

;-) ;-) ;-)

    oooh! John! ;-)

No one has any idea how much this costs?  I want to know if it is anywhere
near what my Xmas budget can afford...if so, maybe I'll do it.  (I think
that would be a great reward for myself for all the weight I've lost,
particularly if I reach my goal weight by Christmas - pictures to 
*prove* to myself how much better I look.)

D!

    re: .30
    
    Oh, that's where I saw that picture...Nice stuff!
    
    re: .32
    
    Looks like I gotta get to on of those WM_parties....woo woo!
    
    -Dotti.

    
    
    	re: .31
    
    	Yep...and I sell it!!  Anyone for red satin boxers?  ;-)
    
    	JJ
    

    glow-in-the-dark boxers?????????????
    
    Where's the lava light?
    
    -roger
    

    I'm with the idea of a man in jeans/no shirt straddling a motorcycle...
    
    K

    I have to go with the crowd and say that tight jeans are sexy on a
    guy. It seems to be almost unanimous so guys take the hint and trash
    those business suits. :*) liesl

    
    well, I know what *I'm* wearing friday night...
    

    but Joe, your note was entered on Saturday! :-)
    what Friday night do you mean? the one when you visit Massachusetts?
    
    :-) X 20
    
    Bonnie

re .34 "what does it cost?"

I have no idea in any particular case - like most things associated with 
professional photography it depends on circumstances.

A couple of times before I relocated back to Britain I did these sessions: an 
old friend of my wife's works for a hairdresser in Nashua NH, and it happened 
that the owner asked me to photograph a couple of sessions. It was a package 
deal with a full hairdo, manicure and makeup session, and then a four hour photo 
session. Two that we did that didn't include hiring costumes cost $250, and we 
delivered 144 proofs and a 12 shot calendar of 14x11 prints. The third we hired 
theatrical costumes and it cost $250 + costume hire (about $70 if I remember 
correctly). 

/. Ian .\

Photo sessions:

	In college, I sat for a friend of mine.  He was experimenting with
texture & lighting, so my beard, bald head, and hairy chest made me a good
subject.  Several shots included me draped in a fur coat.

	After those shots, he took some of his girlfriend (also a good friend
of mine) & I.  She was wearing a bathrobe, open, and I was wearing jeans and
no shirt.


Male underwear:

	An ex-girlfriend (and sometime reader of =wn=) of mine gave me several 
very nice pair of silk (red, blue, black) bikini underwear.  I have a tendency
to wear them on "special" occaisions, including parties ;-).  I'm less inclined
(probably because they aren't silk, and are on the tight side) to wear the
leopard ones she bought!


							--Doug

    
    re:.41
    but of course the friday i'm in massachusetts!
    the only question in my mind is what color?
    

    gee Joe, maybe we can get *all* the men to wear fancy under duds...
    
    :-)

    Now that I have read ALL 45 before this I feel more confident what
    I am about to enter.....
    
    Those red glow in the dark boxer shorts....um practial joke...
    
    But really I like to look at a man wearing a good fitting pari fi
    faded jeans, long sleeve white shirt, loosely buttoned muscles visable
    but not bulging, and he has to look clean w/wo beard or mustache.
    
    or thinking back to when I use to hang arounf my Dad's construction
    sites and I was a teenager..... I still like the sight....
    
    on a summer's morning  before the heat sets in , there is this guy,
    short dirty blonde hair, kinda unkempt from the work, wearing jean
    cutoff shorts, nice legs,(no fat, muscles, again not bulging) no
    shirt, and his body is covered with a fine cover of sweat making
    him glisten in the sunlight... oh yeah he's wearing his tool belt
    and has the softest baby blue's I ever saw.....um sigh..sigh..
    
    Lise

    re: .45 (Bonnie)
    
    � . . .maybe we can get *all* the men to wear fancy under duds...
    
    Could be, but then how will you know. . .?
    
    Steve
    

    we could ask them to tell us? :-)  :-)
    
    Bonnie

    re .48 (Bonnie)
    
    � < there is one easy and obvious way >
    
    Easy, yes.  Obvious?  Wellll. . .y'know I went to put on
    my underwear this morning and I decided to put on the, uh,
    special pair. . .yeah, that's it "special". . .and I noticed
    that they, uh. . .were made of, uh. . .silk. . .yeah. . ."silk",
    that's the ticket, yeah. . .and then I noticed that they have,
    uh. . .a sheer nylon backside. . .yeah. . .that's it, sheer. . .
    and. . .
    
    Steve

    
    re:.48
    i'm wearing pink today...
    ;^)
    

    what happened Joe? did you wash your sweat pants with the whites?
    
    Bonnie
    
    (who turned three of her son's t-shirts pink by washing a red
    belt with them)
    
    :-)

    
    aaaaaaai!
    what a horrible memory! when i was all of 5 years old my mother
    turned some socks pink and there was *no way* i was going to wear
    them!
    

At one *wm* party when I was feeling very risque, I knew that I had to
do something special so I wore my



tie-dyed boxer shorts!



Oooooh.

So there, Doug!

;-) ;-) ;-)  

    By the way this topic while fun and silly has gotten rather off
    the point of boudoir photography. If the base note author still
    has questions or other noters still have questions they'd like
    answered on the subject I hope that they will still enter them.
    
    Bonnie

	Bonnie, now you know why I don't let my mother do my laundry any
more, even when she offers!

					;-)		--D

    Re .43, .49, .54, oh, you guys are just tryin' to get us all excited
    over nothin' :-).
    
    Lorna
    
   

    Re, what men might wear if not lingerie...for a photo session;
    
    I've been told right here in this conference (and, uh, elsewhere)
    that biker shorts lend themselves well to making men appear 'sexy'.  
                      
    DougO

>                       -< the fitted nylon kind, I mean >-

	 Spandex......


	 kat

>    I've been told right here in this conference (and, uh, elsewhere)
>    that biker shorts lend themselves well to making men appear 'sexy'.  
 
Only, *only* if they have really nice butts.  Form fitting spandex on
an average or below derriere only makes the situation worse.  

BTW, I have seen the phrase "Hubba, hubba" in this file a lot lately, and
i can't help but smiling when I see it.  Hubba, Hubba is the name of a
shop in Cambridge specializing in "Fetish...bondage...leather...latex...
punk...english shoes" (as it says on their business card.)  Having not
heard that phrase for years, then recently going to the shop and shortly
after having the phrase pop up all over the place in this file...well,
it's good for a chuckle.

:-)

D!

>Only, *only* if they have really nice butts.  Form fitting spandex on
>an average or below derriere only makes the situation worse.  

 No kidding. Sometimes I see people who look rather silly in that stuff and
I wonder who they're kidding. (Not that I begrudge them the right to wear what 
they want, so long as they don't begrudge me the right to be amused). :-)

 The Doctah

    Reply
    RE: .62 and Hubba Hubba
    
    D! - I think the phrase got a lot of press in the movie in "Parenthood"
    as Steve Martin was teaching his son to say that as a cute female walked
    by...  (I think I remembered the scene)

-2> No kidding. Sometimes I see people who look rather silly in that stuff and
-2>I wonder who they're kidding. 

Well, as was discussed earlier this summer (or was it last) there are good,
practical reasons to wear neoprene...like for bikers and such.  I wouldn't
want to tell them they look silly for wearing what is most practical any
more than I would want someone telling me I look silly in my sweats and t
and the gym.

however, if they are wearing it for the purpose of looking sexly, then I have
the right to snicker if it doesn't "suit them". :-)

-1: Oh is that why the phrase has become so popular lately?  Well, i didn't
see the movie, so I found it funny.  (I suppose I would find it funny for 
different reasons if I had seen the movie.)  God, since I stopped watching
TV and going to movies I feel so *out of it*!  Like I am some sort of social
leper or something! :-)

D!

>BTW, I have seen the phrase "Hubba, hubba" in this file a lot lately, and
>i can't help but smiling when I see it.  Hubba, Hubba is the name of a
>shop in Cambridge specializing in "Fetish...bondage...leather...latex...
>punk...english shoes"

	 I know....hehehehehehehe....


	 Wildkat

    
    
    	Hey gang!!  I never said the red boxer shorts glowed in the
    	dark!!  They're just red satin...
    
    	but if you *do* want glow in the dark well then you have to
    	settle for blue and white stripes.
    
    	=)