Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    Every time I go to Quincy Market I can NEVER resist
    the Boston Brownies....yummmmm!
    
    then of course there's homemade fudge....
    
    getting hungry just thinking about it!
    
    deb
    

    I love the chocolate chip cannolis at Quincy Market.
    
    I love the Banana Royal's at Friendly's.

    I love expensive chocolates - dark chocolate with cream centers
    like orange, lemon, coffee and chocolate covered cherries.
    
    I love Napoleons.
    
    I love good chocolate fudge. (like the Penny Patch in P-town)
    
    I love chocolate chip cookies (from Cookie's Cookin' & that type
    of place)
    
    Lorna
    
    (I hope I never have to go on a diet because I detest having to
    exercise self-control!! - but, of course, I think it's admirable!)
    

    Just *reading* about Liesl actually getting my portion of Steve
    Lionel's Grand Marnier Chocolate Mousse at the May 5th H-R party felt 
    like I must have put on several delicious sympathy ounces, from 3000 
    miles away!  Someday, that mousse and I shall meet.
    
    DougO

    creme de menthe brownies (the ones that make women propose 
    			      and men swoon!)
    callard and bowser butterscotch
    mint milano cookies
    heath bar crunch ice cream
    Toscanini's butter chocolate chip ice cream
    cheesecake
    boursin or herbed brie and french bread
    hot chocolate with Bailey's irish creme (accept no substitute)
    well-made quiche

    -nuff for now, I'm drooling-

    -Jody
    

Anything Drew Mason (a friend and co-worker) makes with chocolate.
Marcia Butchart's pound cake
Mez' hot chocolate with rumplemintz
	Mez

    At Joe's American Bar and Grill in Boston.
    
    Chocolate raspberry cheese cake....raspberries in the center,
    lucious dark chocolate icing with raspberry preserves on the
    top, and under it all, the slightly crunchy, chocolate cookie
    crust.....
    
    Now, darn it!  Look what you made me do!  My blouse is wet
    from all this drooling.
    
    M

    the infamous creme de methe brownies that Jody mentioned
    hagen daiz chocolate icecream bars
    chocolate mousse
    any thing that has a dark chocolate outside and a fruit flavored
    liquid or creame filling
    
    (ouch this is making my teeth hurt!)
    
    Bonnie

    Carmel popcorn with pecans - while it's still warm from
    the confectioner's mixing table.  Whenever I go to the
    shopping mall I can't resist this!
    

    Kahlua Hot Fudge Sundaes!!!!
    

    re .6
    
    OK - where is Joe's American Bar & Grill and how many people want
    to join me in going there some time next week?
    
    You've just named my two favorite foods - raspberries and dark
    chocolate - in the same dish.  I just gotta try it.
    
    Alison

	Ben & Jerry's Chunky Monkey Ice Cream....sigh...

Jenna

    Ben & Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk.
    
    Moist carrot cake with real cream cheese frosting.
    
    Chocolate covered carmels.
    
    - L
    

    re .11  Chunkey Monkey, my favorite too!
    
    also virtually anything from Kimball's Farm Icecream, especially the
    peanut butter chocolate chip. (try that with chunkey monkey!)
    
    Gail

 Ben and Jerry's White Russian ice cream liberally draped with Kahlua

 Frozen Reese's bite sized peanut butter cups

 Vanilla ice cream crepe with fresh strawberries

 The Doctah

Anything by Ben&Jerry

Anything by Godiva

Anything by Sara Lee

Anything by Ghiradelli

I start my diet today.  This doesn't help!  Grrrrr!  :-)

D!

       re .0:
       
       It's a shame to work hard at losing weight all week and then waste
       those good efforts with an admittedly wonderful treat, such as the
       ones mentioned here.  The problem, Kate, is that after you empty
       your fat cells during the week, the little buggers are just
       waiting to fill up again.  And the worst type of foods are the
       ones with lots of fat: made with butter or cream (including fudge
       and frosting and ice cream--and the best brands of ice cream, like
       Ben & Jerry's, have the highest amounts of fat) or cheese (sic
       transit cheesecake). 
       
       That's the bad news.  If you're willing to compromise, you could
       try to find something that doesn't have much (or any!) fat, that
       is still delicious. For example, there are some great frozen
       yogurts around -- TCBY stores have first-rate nonfat flavors, and
       �lan chocolate (4% fat, I think) tastes like a great gelato.
       These treats (as well as heartier things like spaghetti) aren't
       usually part of a weightloss diet, but they're not nearly so
       counterproductive as the foods with high fat content. 
       
       Good luck in trying to find a balance between the stuff that will
       be suggested in this topic and the stuff that will help you take
       off some pounds.  
       
       --Mr Spoilsport

    re:<--- -1
    
    	Dear Mr. Spoilsport,
    
    	I've been playing with the same dam* 10 pounds since high school.
        If I'm going to be naughty I'm surely not going to waste it
        on frozen yogurt (OF ALL THINGS). If I want ice cream, I'll
        have a kiddy cone of the real thing! 
    
        Kate
    
    	Another vote---> Alden Merrill Carrott Cake yummyyummyyummy!
    

    	RE: 736.12
    
    	Ben and Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk Ice Cream.
    
    	Well, last year, my wife mentioned she had tasted this
    	and really liked it (she doesn't really like ice cream
    	that well).
    
    	So, it was a couple of days before her birthday. First,
    	I called all the places in Nashua and surrounding areas
    	to see if they had any. No luck.
    
    	So, I called Ben and Jerry's in Vermont and asked for the
    	closest store. Turned out to be Keene, NH. I drove from
    	Nashua to Keene and back for 4 pints of this ice cream.
    
    	That was her birthday present. She really loved it.
    
    	Scott

    
    Napi's Apricot Mousse
    
    (or, as a friend of mine says, "I'll have the Mouse, please.")
    
    --DE
    

    Please forgive me if I lead you into temptation...
    
    but forget Mr. Spoilsport's advice in .16.
    
    
    The most successful diet I ever went on was to count calories
    religiously all week, then...
    
    reward myself with a hot-fudge sundae on Saturday.
    
    Good luck, and have fun!
    Karen
    

    Heck, the most successful diet I've ever been on is the one I'm
    on *now* - I forego all the desserts and just read the replies to
    this note instead!
    

Re: .0
	I have had a weight problem ever since I can remember.  I don't
	know what type of diet you are following, but the diet I have
	been most successful with is the one that I'm on now; that's 
	weight watchers.  A year ago June 1 my weight was 177 pounds 
	(and a size 16-18), by October 12 (1988) I declared my goal weight
	at 146 pounds (and a size 12).  Since then I've been on the 
	maintenance program and I'm currently at 139 pounds (and a size 
	10-12).  As part of weight watchers you can have 500 Optional
	calories a week while you ar losing weight, and 1000 Optional
	calories a week on maintenance.  Using those you can treat yourself
	as many times as your optional calorie limit allows.  Although
	some of the suggestions given in the responses would use ALL of
	the optional calories a week, I think the program works on the 
	premise that we need to have a treat once in a while in order
	to be able to live with a weight maintenance program.

	Good luck with your diet.  I hope you loose all your weight soon!

	jlso_skinny_people_hardly_recognize_me_8-)

    <--- -1 Congratulations!! I also count calories. 1250 to 1400 per
    day. It's taking a long time but my 9/10's are getting too snug
    for my liking.
    
    For my last week's treat I had a double fudge brownie with Reece's
    Mini Peanut Butter Cups in the middle. There goes 500 calories but
    here it is Thursday and I'm still going strong. Although I'm looking
    forward to my weekend treat
    
    Kate
    
    
    

(back 2)

Oh good, success story from weight watchers.  I just joined, but I haven't
learned what the rules are yet.  They do allow you "free" calories?  Good.
Means I won't have to entirely give up raspberry chocolate mousse...pecan
caramel turtles...strawberry cheesecake...hershey's syrup poured straight
into my mouth (ah, decadence)... 

MMMMMM

D!

    I have a different method of dieting. I increase my caloric intake
    and  my exercise rate. Last time I went to ~9000 calories/day, and
    45 miles bicycling/day (and rather hilly miles at that). I lost 15
    lbs. in three weeks.

--David

>    I have a different method of dieting. I increase my caloric intake
>    and  my exercise rate. Last time I went to ~9000 calories/day, and

9000?  You're kidding!  How could you consume that much in one day?
You could eat hot fudge sundaes all day long and still not reach 9000
calories!  If you also mix in healthy foods, which tend to be lower in
calories, I don't even see how you could fit that much in your stomach
and still have time to do things like work or sleep!  If it worked for
you, you are lucky...it doesn't matter how much I exercised, if I increased
my caloric intake by 5 or 6 times, I would gain weight.  (If I remember
correctly, biking works off about 200 calories per hour over mere 
existence.  Assuming your maintenance calorie intake is about 2500 for
an average lifestyle [typical for a man] you'd have to bike over 30 hours
a day to work off the excess!)

D!

    Another unfortunate difference between men and women:  metabolism.
    
    Drat and double drat.
    
    -Jody
    

    	Well, 9000 calories is a lot. But the author of that
    	reply mentioned that he had been riding 45 miles a day
    	for a couple of weeks. I assume that he is not in the
    	same physical shape as a pro cyclist, who, during such
    	stage races as the Tour de France, et. al., eat about
    	9000 calories a day. I'll assume as did Jody that he
    	just has a higher metabolism.
    
    	Scott

    We ate  6  meals  a  day:  Breakfast,  mid-morning  snack,  lunch,
    afternoon  snack,  dinner,  and midnight snack. It was hard to eat
    enough,  but when I didn't I felt weak, and had a hard time riding
    up hills.

    As for  caloric  useage,  the  numbers  I've  seen  are  about 650
    cal/hour  for riding at 13 miles an hour. So about 50 cal/mile. So
    we  should  have  needed 2500 extra calories for the 50 mile days,
    but  those  numbers are for rolling terrain and unloaded bikes. We
    were  carrying  about  50  lbs. of gear in the Rockies, so you can
    probably  double  those  numbers  to get 5000 calories/day. We hit
    some sleet, so you have to add a lot of calories to keep warm. Add
    those  to my somewhat over 2500 base calories/day to exist, and it
    just about works out.

    The really  neat  thing  was when I came back and was on my normal
    ride home from work, the hill halfway home had disappeared. I knew
    there was a hill on the route, but I just didn't feel it after the
    trip.  That made the commute even more fun.

--David

    I was in Nyack, NY this past weekend and stopped at Temptations.
    They have only homemade ice cream and deserts. I had the chocolate
    cake with rasberry filling, topped with whip cream to cut the chocolate.
    
    Not only are the deserts delicious, but the 6 foot display case
    is something to drool over. The chocolate cake (I got the first
    slice) has an icing that has such a gloss you can almost see your
    reflection. On top of that is shaved chocolate arranged so to look
    like a carnation. The shaved chocolate is then sprinkled with powdered
    sugar. It was almost a shame to cut into it. 
                                                                      
    I previously had the pecan pie with vanilla ice cream and next time
    I'll try the white chocolate cake. 
    
    In addition:
    
    Cannolis - Corky's in East Hartford makes the best I've ever had
    They prepare them fresh when you place your order.
    
    Godiva Chocolate - especially the truffles
    
    Hagen Diaz - Swiss Almond Vanilla
    
    Fried Ice Cream - had this once at Cathedral Farms Restaurant in Delhi, NY
    
    and finally when I've got calories to spare - homemade Toll House
    cookies, hot from the oven with cold milk.                    
    
    Well, that certainly worked up an appetite! 
    
    Linda 
    

    Gosh, I don't know how some of you folks can eat some of that stuff...
    my usuall idea of "dessert" is a pile of sweet green grapes - YUM!!!
    Though I do like a scoop of ice cream after going scuba diving - that
    canned air is really D_R_Y, and I get pretty dehydrated (at least, it
    is also pollen-free!).
    
    /Charlotte
    
    PS - Dave has a real high metabolism.  So do I, but I could never cram
    *that* much food into me.

    	RE: 736.31
    
    	Charlotte,
    
    	In 1987 and 1988, a friend and I rode 130 miles in a day and
    	a half with a light amount of gear to Maine. The evening of
    	the first day, after 80 miles, we ate a large supper. About
    	an hour and a half later, I was starved again.
    
    	I would think that almost anyone involved in a very physical
    	activity would more or less feel the same.
    
    	Scott

    re -1
    
    Unless you are like me.  I GAIN on 1000 calories a day with moderate
    exercise and YES I have had  my thyroid checked.  I don't want 9000 
    calories a day, but 1500 and maintain or lose would be nice.  To lose
    my weight - 40 lbs (10 have returned) I had to go to 800 calories a day
    and the most important thing in my life became FOOD.  I was hungry when
    I finished the meal and counted the hours until I could eat again.....
    
    Cathy

    
    Howz about Chocolate Mousse Katie?!?
    
    :^)

    Lightly sautee fresh mushrooms in (real) butter, add scrambled
    eggs to pan, top with thinly sliced Vermont cheddar. The
    ultimate omelette for the calorie-unconscious.

    	RE: 736.34
    
    	What's a "Chocolate Mousse Katie?"
    
    	Scott

    Escargots Bourgoinge (probably spelled wrong, but what they hey?)
    -- drooling in real butter, with French bread to soak up all the
    juices that you can't get with the fork . . . 
    
    --bonnie

Ben and Jerry's New York Super Fudge Chunk.

Not only that but its a cool company that has a 5 to 1 max salary
ratio and is involved in the peace movement and Ben is a neat guy - I
had the chance to speak to him this summer...

john

    
    Take away all the chocolate, cookies, candy, and give me FRIED food!
    French fries, fried chicken, potato chips!  
    
    Oh, I'm feeling dizzy.
    
    Katrina

    Raw chocolate chip cookie dough
    

    in re .40
    
    Heaven!
    
    (I drive my son nuts by snitching the dough when he makes cookies
    ;-) ).
    
    Bonnie

	Re: Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough   

	Yum!!

	Also Baklava w/ whipped cream, and deep-dish pizza with 
	lots of cheese...


	>>AL<<

    RE: .19 -- WHAT is Napi's Apricot Mousse and where can I get it? (or
               make it?
    
    RE: .20 -- countig calories. I overheard a woman in the woman's room
    this morning explaining the diet she's been on since January,  as a new
    year's resolution. She allows herself 1000-1200 calories a day and
    refers to 4 different books to understand portion sizes etc.
    
    The best part though, was her footnote to the conversation. If she
    hasn't gotten close to the 1200 calories by evening, she allows herself
    enough cookies to meet the quota -- she said each Oreo is 90
    calories!!:-)
    
    --Lynn
    

    
    re: .43 I think Dawn was refering to a restaurant in Provincetown
    (Ma.)
    
        .30 Where's Corky's in East Hartford?  Main St? Burnside Ave?
    I'll have to check that out next time I visit the "'rents".
    
    am

    Hot apple pie with butter pecan ice cream on top.
    
    Baked macaroni and cheese (my own recipe) with butterd breadcrumb
    topping.
    
    Baked stuffed pork chops
    
    Lobster casserole
    
    Barbequed spareribs
                   
    Baked potatoes with lots of butter and freshly ground black pepper
    
    fettichinni alfreado (sp)
    
    

    Sour cream.   Yummmm
    	Linda

    add apricot preserve dollop to the home baked macaroni & cheese
    (if I can get the recipe for the one with breadcrumb topping.
    
    sourdough french bread from Henry's Old World Bakery in Bellevue,
    or better yet, ANY french bread from Acme Bakery in Berkeley (next
    to Fanny's, but I digressssssss.......

Hmmm...I just thought of some, that are very dear and will be missed...

potato pancakes, *smothered* in sour cream and applesauce.

This comes to mind because I just started WW, and next weekend I will be
going to a friends place for a traditional Jewish dinner... that particular
entree is going to be the one that is hardest to stay away from...

*Sigh*

D!

	Linda,   Sour Cream   - my favorite salad dressing!

				kbear

    Sour cream, especially on depressingly healthy stuff like
    baked potatos or tostadas ;-)

   

    My father used to maintain that the potato's only justification
    for existence was that it would hold more gravy than a slice of
    bread does.
    
    --bonnie

    	RE: 736.52
    
    	Bonnie,
    
    	Sounds like my stepfather. He grew up on a farm, where
    	every evening meal was a feast (more or less). After he
    	married my mother, we started having meat, potatoes, gravy
    	(and sometimes gravy bread) almost every night. At first,
    	he did not believe spaghetti, chili, or any non-meat-
    	potatoes-gravy meal was a meal. Of course, Mom basically
    	said, "You can eat what's on the table or go to the
    	restaurant, it doesn't matter to me." She still says
    	she hates to cook, although my family and my brother
    	think she's a great cook. Her response: "You've eaten
    	my cooking for so long you don't know what good food
    	is.
    
    	Anyway, I'll go with you father. We can sit down and
    	have some bread, potatoes and gravy.
    
    	Scott

    PIZZA!!!!!
    CHINESE FOOD!!!!!!!!
    TACOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    
    (I COULD LIVE OFF OF THEM)

Ben and Jerry's Tuskagee Chunk - Peanut Butter Ice Cream with Chocalate 
chunks in it.  I still like New York Super Fudge Chunk better but it's close. 

john

    Ben & Jerry's "Cherry Garcia"...with Peppridge Farm Cookies on the
    side.....mmmmmmm
    
    Judi
    

    Cherry Garcia!  Absolutely, positively no question about it.  The best
    of the bunch.  Makes a great dinner when you don't want to cook!