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Conference turris::womannotes-v2

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V2 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1105
Total number of notes:36379

715.0. "Pro-Choice Proposed Legislation" by EGYPT::SMITH (Passionate commitment to reasoned faith) Wed Jul 26 1989 11:28

    I am starting this string to deal with proposed pro-choice legislation,
    amendments, etc.

    What is the major objection to Belotti's proposed amendment as revised? 
    What is Jennifer Jackman's major objection?  Do she and NOW support
    abotion on demand for any reason throughout the entire pregnancy?  My
    understanding of Roe v. Wade was that it gave the states the right to
    prohibit abortions in the last trimester (though pro-lifers seem to
    dispute this).  Belotti's revised proposal seems to me to be
    essentially the same as Roe v. Wade.
    
    I believe the rights of a viable fetus *without very serious birth
    defects* should be considered along with the rights of the mother and
    that such a fetus should not be aborted except to save the life of the
    mother.  I believe that gives a woman plenty of time to select abortion
    for other reasons.  
    
    What I want to know is (1) how I differ from 
    Jennifer Jackman/NOW/Belotti's critics and (2) how the pro-choice
    noters in this conference feel about this.
    
    Thanks,
    Nancy

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715.1SHARE::EIBENWed Jul 26 1989 15:5918
    I think you're right about Roe v. Wade allowing states to put some
    restrictions on abortion in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters; I know that
    Planned Parenthood will only do 1st trimester abortions.  However,
    I do not think that those restrictions include the right to force
    a woman to carry a fetus to term.  That is to say, under Roe v.
    Wade, women have the right to abort at any time during a pregnancy.
    I don't know about this for sure, however.
    
    That's probably what the opposition to Bellotti's amendment is (that,
    and the fact that he would not allow the use of state funding for 
    abortions).
    
    In my opinion, this opposition is a valid one.  If we are going
    to allow abortion on the basis of a woman's right to privacy, then
    this must include all abortion, for any reason, at any time of the
    pregnancy.  I don't believe that there is ever a point at which
    we (society) can validly force a woman to remain pregnant against
    her will.
715.2Are you sure?EGYPT::SMITHPassionate commitment to reasoned faithWed Jul 26 1989 16:119
    If Bellotti would not not allow public funding for abortions, I
    heartily agree with you!  I did not know that was the case.  Are you
    sure????
    
    (The day the govt allows me to exclude *my* taxes from national
    budget items that offend *me*, I will likewise support the rights of
    others to do so.)
    
    Nancy
715.3ULTRA::WITTENBERGSecure Systems for Insecure PeopleWed Jul 26 1989 17:1511
    Roe v.  Wade said that a state could not restrict abortions in the
    first  trimester,  could put in some (health related) abortions in
    the  second  trimester,  and could prohibit abortions in the third
    trimester. Note that they did not requre regulations in the second
    or third trimester, they merely allowed them.

    I believe  that  the reason most clinics won't do second trimester
    abortions  is  that  they  require  (for  both  medical  and legal
    reasons) more equipment.

--David
715.4distrust of the futureULTRA::ZURKOEven in a dream, remember, ...Wed Jul 26 1989 18:095
My understanding of the negative reaction by pro-choice (NOW specifically) was
distrust of the "in the state's interest" clause. It seems like that could be
used to stop all abortions, no matter how early, if a "state's interest" could
be defined (quoted clauses are not exact; apologies).
	Mez
715.5Bellotti on public fundingEGYPT::SMITHPassionate commitment to reasoned faithThu Jul 27 1989 12:3933
    Reports in yesterday's Boston Globe stated that Bellotti's amendment
    grew from 2 sentences to 5:  "Specific language was added preventing
    the state from restricting public funding for abortion in a
    discriminatory manner, and clarifying that a woman's absolute right to
    terminate a pregnance extends 'until viability,' or until a fetus can
    survive outside the womb."
    
    The editorial pages carried a column by Bellotti himself, "A woman's
    right, the state's duty" which was very strong and very well-stated.
    He *does* support public funding for abortion: 
    
    	"As it was before Roe, we will once again see 50 states with 50
    laws on abortion rights.  And more restrictions, such as those upheld
    in Webster, will be imposed on the ability of poor women to obtain
    abortions which will still be available to wealthier women.  This is
    ridiculous.  The exercise of a constitutional right should not depend
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    on an accident of geography or of personal finances.  If the Supreme
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    Court will not resolve this issue, then it will be up to the courts and
    state legislatures to do so.  I therefore propose that we amend our
    state constitution to include a right to privacy which recognizes a
    woman's right to choose as defined by Roe v. Wade as well as the right
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    to public funding established by the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial
    Court in Mary Moe v. Secretary of Administration and Finance."
    
    I have since heard NOW leaders (Jackman?) insist on abortion "on
    demand" throughout the entire pregnancy.  That was not the position 
    of Roe v. Wade, and is not my position, either, (as explained in the 
    base note).  It saddens me that I cannot look to NOW as my "public voice!"
    
    Nancy
715.6do they read mail? who?ULTRA::ZURKOEven in a dream, remember, ...Thu Jul 27 1989 12:522
Does anyone know the best way to get feedback to NOW, such as Nancy's?
	Mez
715.7imhoSALEM::LUPACCHINOThu Jul 27 1989 14:434
    
    Call the Boston office and ask them to whom one should direct feedback.
    
    am