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| 706.1 | From another Wimseyphile | WMOIS::B_REINKE | If you are a dreamer, come in.. | Fri Jul 14 1989 13:19 | 10 |
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Ann,
I had the same objections when I saw the end of Strong Poison.
The casting was 'wrong' enough for me to not want to watch
"Have his Carcass". Do you know bytheway if "Gaudy Night" was
ever made into a tv movie? That I might watch even with the
bad casting if the plot and dialogue wasn't butchered.
Bonnie
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| 706.2 | Wimsey critique | DROSTE::bence | What's one more skein of yarn? | Fri Jul 14 1989 13:33 | 12 |
| Re -1 and -2:
Of the three Wimsey's done for Mystery (Strong Poison, Have His Carcass,
and Gaudy Night), Have His Carcass was the only one I found palatable.
I believe Have His Carcass had a different screen-writer from the other
two, the plot is more or less intact and the dialogue witty.
They made a shambles out of Gaudy Night - no Gerald, no chess set, no
Jones, no Religio Medico - arggghhhh!
cathy
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| 706.3 | I'm appalled! | WMOIS::B_REINKE | If you are a dreamer, come in.. | Fri Jul 14 1989 13:38 | 8 |
| NO!
Cathy, thanks for the warning...I'll avoid it...
Bonnie
(who prefers her own mental movies to badly done versions of
favorite books)
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| 706.4 | as my wimsey takes me | DECWET::JWHITE | I'm pro-choice and I vote | Fri Jul 14 1989 16:16 | 14 |
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re:last several
sorry, dear friends, have to disagree about the portrayal of
harriet vane. i think she both looks and acts the part quite
nicely. i do, however, agree with your criticism of lord peter:
what an incredibly un-whimsical wimsey!
i must confess, i never remember the details of mystery books
so i was not put off by the altered ending of 'strong poison'.
and so far i'm enjoying 'have his carcase', above objections
notwithstanding.
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| 706.5 | | ULTRA::ZURKO | Even in a dream, remember, ... | Mon Jul 17 1989 12:18 | 4 |
| Joe [the guy I live with] claims he's seen a much better Wimsey in another
production. Can anyone help me with what? He thinks maybe a Masterpiece Theater
production, but not of any of the Vane novels (maybe of the shorts?).
Mez
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| 706.6 | Oh, yes. | REGENT::BROOMHEAD | Don't panic -- yet. | Mon Jul 17 1989 12:40 | 8 |
| Joe's right. There was a different actor in an earlier set of
shows on (I think) Mystery!. Lemmesee... They did _The_Unpleasantness_
_at_the_Bellona_Club_, _Clouds_of_Witness_, _Five_Red_Herrings_ (aka
_Suspicious_Characters_), and _Murder_Must_Advertise_.
He was *better* -- but not perfect.
Ann B.
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| 706.7 | Harriet was very good too!! | RAINBO::LARUE | An easy day for a lady. | Mon Jul 17 1989 13:50 | 10 |
| I think Edward Petherwoosie made a very fine Whimsey as Lord Peter
describes himself. The other fellow is far too plump, I couldn't see
him diving off statues into pools. I'll agree that the screen writing
bears only token resemblence to the books but the rabbity Edward is
more to the Peter in my mind's eye.
Dondi
PS
oughten this to be a topic of it's own?
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| 706.8 | More Wimsey trivia
| STAR::BECK | The question is - 2B or D4? | Mon Jul 17 1989 17:00 | 6 |
| Following the rat a bit further down the hole...
Did anyone else recognize the actor playing Bunter in the current series?
Anybody recall Dr. Ennis from Poldark? (Don't recall if it was the first or
second Dr. Ennis...)
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| 706.9 | So when do they do "Busman's Honeymoon"? | VALKYR::RUST | | Mon Jul 17 1989 17:11 | 18 |
| o Ian Carmichael was the earlier, plumper Wimsey. (Cheerfuller, too,
but then he hadn't met Harriet yet; guess luv will do that to a guy.)
o I happen to prefer Petherbridge's Wimsey to Carmichael's by a
considerable margin, and I like the casting of Vane too, but I agree
that both "Strong Poison" and "Gaudy Night" were mangled (presumably by
the director?). "Have His Carcase" was quite good, however.
o Richard Morant plays the new (too young) Bunter. I like the actor,
but he's wrong for the part. (I've gone on about this in the TV
conference, but this is the hot-button note after all! And I just
*hate* it when an important character is mis-cast!)
o For further Wimsey discussion, p'raps we should retire to BOMBE::TV.
(The note number escapes me, but a DIR/TITLE="Lord Peter" should turn
it up.)
-b
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| 706.10 | | RMADLO::HETRICK | George C. Hetrick | Mon Jul 17 1989 18:02 | 2 |
| It's note 412.* in BOMBE::TV, started by Beth Rust (small wonder she remembers
it).
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| 706.11 | of mixed minds..:-) | WMOIS::B_REINKE | If you are a dreamer, come in.. | Mon Jul 17 1989 22:19 | 8 |
| Wow! I never knew there were so many Wimsey/Vane fans around.
Speaking as a noter I'd love to start a note about those books
here, tho in my moderator capacity I realize that there are other
files where the subject is discussed.
sigh
Bonnie
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| 706.12 | So there. | REGENT::BROOMHEAD | Don't panic -- yet. | Tue Jul 18 1989 09:41 | 8 |
| So start one with a particularly of-interest-to-women slant,
Bonnie.
Ann B.
P.S. So he was plumpish. And should never have dived into a
fountain. At least his face didn't look like it had a snear
built in.
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| 706.13 | i only read good books | DECWET::JWHITE | I'm pro-choice and I vote | Tue Jul 18 1989 22:09 | 4 |
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why not? harriet vane is one of the great proto-feminist characters
no?
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| 706.14 | more on Lord Peter debate | RUTLND::RMAXFIELD | | Wed Jul 19 1989 16:44 | 20 |
| Re: Wimsey debate
It's too bad when dedication to a novel prevents enjoyment of
a film adaptation. Some minor events may have been changed, plot
elements dropped due to time limitations, but the spirit
and character of the Wimsey-Vane novels are intact in the
current re-broadcasting of "Strong Poison," "Have His Carcase,"
and "Gaudy Night" on PBS' Mystery. After enjoying these well-written,
well-directed, and above all, well-acted dramas (again), I will
most likely re-read the books, to enjoy them on their own
terms, for Dorothy Sayers' prose and character/plot development.
Perhaps my mental image of Lord Peter will be somewhat clouded
by Edward Petherbridge's visage, but no matter; I enjoy him in
all his personificactions, even the 1940 MGM version of
"Busman's Honeymoon", with a very American Robert Montgomery
as Lord Peter (he got the ironic tone right, if not the accent).
Had to put in my $.02. Thanks for the opportunity.
Richard
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| 706.15 | | BRONS::BURROWS | Jim Burrows | Mon Jul 31 1989 23:48 | 18 |
| I never would have described Petherbridge's mouth as a "built-in
sneer"--a "pout" maybe, but not a sneer. It seemed to me to give
him a somewhat prissy look rather than the sour look that folk
here have complained about. He has to me at least a good deal of
that superficial and insiginficant look that I always associated
with Lord Peter. I could much more readily take Ian Carmichael
seriously than Petherbridge, which makes him feel more like
Wimsey to me.
Never having read any of the Vane stories, I can't speak to the
faithfulness of the adaptations nor the portrayal of Miss Vane.
To bring this around to a more WomanNotes topic, is there
anything significant here in the fact that one woman at least
sees Petherbridge as sneering and sour whereas at least one man
sees him as pouting and prissy?
JimB.
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