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Conference turris::womannotes-v2

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V2 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1105
Total number of notes:36379

654.0. "CLASS II (OR WORSE) PAP TEST RESULTS" by DONVAN::MUISE () Mon Jun 19 1989 10:42

    has anyone had any experience receiving a class II or higher pap test
    result?
    
    if you did, you were asked to re-take it 2 or 3 months later, no doubt.
    has anyone received a 2nd less than perfect test result?
    
    what happened after that?  what are the possible causes (other than
    the worst)?
    
    anyone willing to share any experience, or knowledge on this would sure be
    appreciated.
    
    
    
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654.1the universe tilted big-time!SELL3::JOHNSTONweaving my dreamsMon Jun 19 1989 11:1214
    yes, class III.
    
    1 - asked to return immediately for second test. still the same.
    2 - office vist for cryosurgery [sp?] within two weeks.
    3 - re-test at two months and 6 months post-surgery and on a six-month
        schedule for two years
    4 - no recurrence. at all. even after 11 years.
    
    No cause apparent.  Some speculation that being pregnant prior to age
    22 might have put me at risk.
    
    I was scared witless, but I'm all better now.
    
      Ann
654.2Successfully treated!GLINKA::GREENECat LadyMon Jun 19 1989 11:2417
    In 1976 (and I'm still alive :^)  :^) I had a class 2 pap.
    Had two repeats, also class 2.  Things got worse before they
    got better.  But they *did* get better.  I had surgery, and
    then had pap tests every three months, then every 6 months,
    and now I am back to once per year.  Never had anything but
    a class 1 since then.                      
    
    I was totally freaked out when it became obvious that there
    really was problem.  It took a couple of years for me to fully
    relax about it.
    
    DON'T DELAY.  Thank goodness for Pap tests.  This is one thing
    that can be CURED if caught early.  
    
    Call if you want more details  dtn 223-7322
        					  Pennie                     
    	
654.3my expierence.....FOOZLE::LUSSIERcan't even be the wheels...Mon Jun 19 1989 12:2228
    
    
    	For the first time in all of my yearly pap smears, this Feb. mine
    	came back as Class II. Non inflamatory. I was freaked out!
    	I was brought back in for a repeat and was told it was the same 
    	results.  He recommended a colposcopy. I said no way, BECAUSE, he
    	could not tell me why I was having these symptoms. " alot of
    	different things could cause it." That was not good enough for me.
    	So I went to another gyn.  Got another pap test and the results
    	were  the same BUT he told me the procedures went like this:
    
        	Off the birth control for three months, repeat the test,
    		then if nothing has changed then the colposcopy.
    	        In the mean time he took some blood work (at my
    		recomendation) and found out that my hyperthyroid
    		condition was back again. Therefore making my uterus
    		"slugish"!  Now I have to repeat the pap in July and
    		he has assured me he thinks that this is the problem.
    
    	Now that I am on the hyperthyroid meds, I am starting to feel
    	like myself again.  BTW I never suspected my pap would not be
    	normal, that is, no pain or discharge, or any other symptoms.
    
        Cathy
    		
    
    
    
654.4Another experienceWMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Mon Jun 19 1989 19:4723
    Moved by moderator
    
    
    
    HEIDI::MCGUIRE                                       15 lines  19-JUN-1989 17:17
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    I had no pain or other symptoms either.  My Class II came in about
    10 years ago.  Cryosurgery was recommended and when I hear the words
    pre-cancerous condition, I agreed to the procedure.  (Younger and
    too naive to question it fully, but I did 'trust' my gyn at the
    time.
    
    Follow up paps have been fine ever since.  The cryosurgery was
    slightly uncomfortable, but compared to what seemed to be the
    consequences, it wasn't bad at all.
    
    Talk with you gyn in detail, get as much information as to
    'what' may be causing this, and if you are not comfortable
    with it, seek a second opinion, but move quickly on it.
    
    Mary
654.5SCRUZ::CORDES_JAWalk the DinosaurMon Jun 19 1989 22:2437
    I don't remember what class pap smear I had but I remember them calling
    it pre-cancer.  It was recommended that I go see a specialist in
    Los Angeles who was doing research and laser surgery on women who
    had the DES symptoms.  [I have the classic hooded cervix that led them 
    to believe my mom was given DES (diethylstilbestrol???sp) while
    carrying me.]  
    
    The procedure was done in the office so I was not given anesthetic.  I 
    was okay till it was about 3/4 through and then it really hurt.  I flew
    in from San Jose, CA that morning, had the procedure done and caught a 
    flight home that same day.  Recovery from this was fairly easy and I 
    don't remember being in pain after the initial surgery.  There were
    rules though; abstinence for approx. 6 weeks then sex was okay using a 
    condom for the next 3 weeks, after that, no problem.
    
    I was approx. 23 when this was done.  I'm 33 now.  For quite a while 
    afterwards I had check ups every 6 months but now I go yearly.  My 
    doctor does a colposcopy every time I go in for an annual.
    
    I did have to have cryosurgery once quite a while after the laser
    for some tissue that looked suspicious.  I found it to be quite
    painful and the recovery period was the pits.  In my opinion, it's 
    much more difficult than the recovery from laser surgery.
    
    There is a specialist in DES/Laser surgery in my area now and if
    anything looks suspicious I get referred to him.  But generally
    I have been problem free as far as pap smears go for the last 4-5
    years.  Of course, there have been different problems not related
    to this and the DES specialist would like to avoid any more trauma
    to my cervix if possible.
    
    Oh, my doctor says that even though I have the classic DES symptoms,
    the pre-cancer I had was not related to that.  Supposedly it was
    some different type than what the DES patients have been known to
    have.
                         
    Jan
654.6Me Too!SHAPES::MALITORISKKERRYWed Jun 21 1989 06:3232
    I too have had class II pap test results.  The first time was while
    I was in College (19 years old) and scared to death.  I was going to
    the local planned parenthood clinic. They recommended biopsy.  I
    immediately arranged to see another doctor, second opinion and all.
     The results were the same as was the advice.  I had the biopsies.
     They took 12 samples from my cervix.  It was very uncomfortable
    and caused some discharge afterwards.  The results of the biopsy
    was called cervical displasia and it was treated with cryosurgery.
     That is where they use liquid nitrigen to 'burn' of the 'growths'.
     I then had the pap tests every three months and all was fine for
    two years.  I then had another class II result.  After more second
    opinions, it was discovered that I had a displasia in the cervical
    canal.  An unusual location but not unheard of.  I once again had
    the cryosurgery.  I went through the 3 month, then 6 month, and
    now every year pap tests.  It has been over eight years since my
    last surgery and no problems have occurred.  I have read alot on
    the topic over the years.  Recent studies have indicated that cervical
    displasias may be caused by increased sexual activity or change of
    sexual positions.  According to the studies, the cervix can be bruised
    by the penis.  If the bruising is frequent or sever such as with
    multiple partners, different sex positions, increased sexual activity
    (new partner or attempts to get pregnant) then the bruise can become
    a sore known as displasia.  If not treated it can develop into cancer.
    
    In summary, yes, it is scary.  The studies are not conclusive, but,
    it is important not to ignore it.  It is also totally treatable.  Some
    review of lifestyles may be necessary, at least as a precaution
    until all the facts are known.  I've been fine as have many other
    women.  Good luck!
    
    Kerry
    
654.7Phew! Three months later - normalCSC32::P_VASKEThu Jun 22 1989 00:487
    I had a class II pap a 3 or 4 years ago.  The doctor wanted a repeat
    three months later, it was normal.  Then 6 months later, also normal.
    They have been normal ever since.  No explanation as to why the one was
    abnormal.  I just thought you might want to hear from someone whose pap
    test went back to normal in three months.  Thank God it wasnt anything
    more serious.(so far anyway)  Its frightening to think and read about
    what the cause might be. 
654.8Info on Pap smearsWMOIS::B_REINKEIf you are a dreamer, come in..Thu Jul 13 1989 13:4020
    The following information is from a column by Dr. Lawerence Lamb
    in the Thursday July 13, 1989 Boston Herald, page 58.
    
    "Several years ago the cells were graded as class I through class
    V. The class I cells were normal. To standarize the methods, cells
    are now considered as normal or one of three groups CIN I II or
    III. The CIN means cervical intraepithelial neoplasia.
    
    "The change also reflects the current opinion that even mild dysplasia
    may progree to carcinomia and that is why you must have frequent
    examinations. It does not mean you now have cancer, and if the changes
    should progress, early treatment can result in a complete cure.
    Dysplasia means changes from normal in the cells, not that you have
    cancer....
    
    "The early ditection and removal of precancerous lesions is largely
    reponsible for the 70 percent decrease in deaths from cancer of
    the cervix in the United States since the 1930s."
    
    Bonnie
654.9THANKS... AND I'M OKDONVAN::MUISETue Jul 18 1989 15:5013
    As usual, this community came through with instant support and
    information.
    
    Thanks so much to all of you who wrote and called.  
    
    Fortunately, my second pap turned out to be a class I... and I was
    very worried for nothing.
    
    But even when I feared the worst, I got "instant relief" from this
    notes file.
    
    jacki