Conference turris::womannotes-v2

635.0. "Beijing Situation [NOT from DEC employees (see .2)! =m]" by WJO::COOK (Shadows Of Another Day) Thu Jun 08 1989 11:28

The following are accounts of horrible things that have happened in
    Beijing.  All are from our sales people that are stationed there.
    
    They have requested that they be disseminated as widely as possible.
    
    -- Angela.
    
    

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From:   DECWRL::"[email protected]" "Michael Yee  5-Jun-89 1550 EDT"  5-JUN-1989 15:49:41.09
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Message-Id: <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: More bad news (very depressing)                =Mike
 
 
From husc6!rutgers!ucsd!sdcsvax!beowulf!liu Mon Jun  5 15:41:17 EDT 1989
Article 8221 of soc.culture.china:
Path: osf!husc6!rutgers!ucsd!sdcsvax!beowulf!liu
>From: [email protected] (Liu)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Eyewitness report from Beijing Massacre ( 10:50 Pm 6/4)
Keywords: MUCH worse than you can image.
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 5 Jun 89 06:53:24 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected] (Liu)
Organization: EE/CS Dept. U.C. San Diego
Lines: 42
 
 
We just received a phone call from Beijing.
The caller is living near Mou-Xue-De where most killing happened.
 
1) The killing is MUCH MUCH worse than you can think of.
The bullet is explosive kind ( Zha4 Zi3). 
Five of his neighbours were killed while sleeping at home.
 
2) He visited Fu-Xing Hospital where he saw blood
was flooding in the hallway. The youngest killed is seven years old. 
The youngest wounded is 3 years old.
 
3) The killers are 27th army.
Some of them were Sino-Vietnam war veterans and they killed
our people very effectively (i.e. to shoot right in the head and
heart). As they were shooting at the people, they laughed and yelled
at the people, "Pekingnese (bei3 jing1 de0),  
show your guts!! (Ni3 Men2 Bu2 Shi4 You2 Zhong3 De0 Ma1)".
 
 
4) The 38th army came in later on.
They saw this horrible scene and refused to move.
The helicopters from 27th forced them to fire at
people and said that was the order from Central
Military Committee.
The 38th replyed that they ONLY took orders from
their own commander and their commander did
not order them to fire. Later on, some of
38th soldiers fought bare-handedly with 27th 
to protect Beijing people.
 

5) A wounded 27th soldier told the doctors that
the order was from Central Military Committee,
saying that "We would rather destroy the
whole Beijing city in order to keep the
stability of the nation".
 
6) In the daytime, anybody who dared to complain loudly
to the soldiers was shot by them.
 
7) The soldiers in 38th abandoned their tanks volunteerly
and let the people burn them.
 
 
From husc6!bloom-beacon!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!csghsg5a.BITNET!yin Mon Jun  5 15:42:18 EDT 1989
Article 8222 of soc.culture.china:
Path: osf!husc6!bloom-beacon!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!csghsg5a.BITNET!yin
>From: [email protected] (Wirtschaftsinformatik HSG - Tel.: 071/302402)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: please spread this news as wide as possible
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 5 Jun 89 09:20:26 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Lines: 12
X-Unparsable-Date: Mon,  5 Jun 1989 11:16:47.71 GMT+1
 
|||||  News to spread |||
|
An officer of the chinese embassy in East-Berlin told the students last
night (4 May ),  up to 10000 people were killed by the army alone
in Beijing. 7 journalist were executed by the army on the TAM-squre.
 
According to a telephon call to Beijing, there were many people did'nt
now that tanks rolled on the Beijing streets, even they are employees
at National College ( Zhong Yiang Min Zhu Xue Yuan).
 
The chinese students in West Germany will demostrate in several
big cities today, Hamburg, Bonn, Stuttgart, Munich and West Berlin.
 
 
From husc6!rice!uw-beaver!cornell!rochester!rutgers!apple!ames!elroy!ucla-cs!usc!merlin.usc.edu!nunki.usc.edu!chunchan Mon Jun  5 15:43:34 EDT 1989
Article 8227 of soc.culture.china:
Path: osf!husc6!rice!uw-beaver!cornell!rochester!rutgers!apple!ames!elroy!ucla-cs!usc!merlin.usc.edu!nunki.usc.edu!chunchan
>From: [email protected] (Chun Chang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: A must !
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 5 Jun 89 06:33:48 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected] ()
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
Lines: 20
 
Attention everyone!!
 
  Following are shocking news obtained a minute ago and are considered to 
be very reliable ( don't ask me the source):
 
    1. Deng Xiaoping had died of heart attach before the military action
 and was said left a word  'Do not use military force' before his death.
 
    2. Now the government is under the control of Chen Yun, Wang Zhen,
Yang Shangkuen, Li Xiannian, Li Peng.
 
    3. The actual military action was ordered by Qing Jiwei and was carried
out by 28th and 38th army. Soldiers were forced to kill by Du2 Zhan4 Dui4
on the back of them.
 
    4. Situation is much more worse than we can imagine. There should be more
than 10,000 students and civilians have been killed.
 
 
From husc6!bloom-beacon!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!att!alberta!hong Mon Jun  5 15:45:01 EDT 1989
Article 8234 of soc.culture.china:
Path: osf!husc6!bloom-beacon!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!att!alberta!hong
>From: [email protected] (Hong Yuzhang)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: 7,000 people killed in Beijing!!!
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 3 Jun 89 23:33:40 GMT
Reply-To: [email protected] (Hong Yuzhang)
Organization: U. of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Lines: 7
 
A latest phone call to Beijing Normal Universit , at 3:00 pm Alberta time (Canada),
has revealed that the government has opened fire on people demonstrating on
Beijing streets. A group of graduate students and professors from Beijing
Normal University were on their way to TAM and were stopped by armed forces in 
XiDan Avenue. Machine guns were used against the demonstrators, streets are
covered with blood and bodies. According to a professor in Beijing, the death
told in Beijing has totaled over 7,000!!!
 
 
From husc6!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!att!ulysses!andante!princeton!phoenix!bogey.UUCP Mon Jun  5 15:45:17 EDT 1989
Article 8235 of soc.culture.china:
Path: osf!husc6!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!att!ulysses!andante!princeton!phoenix!bogey.UUCP
>From: [email protected] (Platt Mutman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: 9 doctors killed, 5 wounded
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 5 Jun 89 04:33:53 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Princeton University
Lines: 7
 
 
        According to TV news tonight, 9 doctors are killed by PLA because 
they are trying to care for wounded students, 5 others wounded. Unconfirmed
news says PLA men even run into hospitals, killing wounded in hospital beds.
This is more atrocious than Hitler. China is in some animals' hands.
 
        - Platt
 
 
From husc6!bloom-beacon!apple!rutgers!att!ulysses!andante!princeton!phoenix!bogey.UUCP Mon Jun  5 15:45:50 EDT 1989
Article 8237 of soc.culture.china:
Path: osf!husc6!bloom-beacon!apple!rutgers!att!ulysses!andante!princeton!phoenix!bogey.UUCP
>From: [email protected] (Platt Mutman)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: 9 doctors killed, 5 wounded
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 5 Jun 89 04:34:26 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Organization: Princeton University
Lines: 5
 
 
        According to tonight's NBC news, Deng ordered the massacre in hospital
bed. He is suffering from prostate cancer. It will be better if he died earlier.NBC quotes Deng's words: "In China, a million could be a small number."
 
        - Platt
 
 
From husc6!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!ernie.Berkeley.EDU!tedrick Mon Jun  5 15:48:15 EDT 1989
Article 8244 of soc.culture.china:
Path: osf!husc6!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!ernie.Berkeley.EDU!tedrick
>From: [email protected] (Tom Tedrick)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.china
Subject: Civil War has started
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Date: 5 Jun 89 14:16:09 GMT
Sender: [email protected]
Lines: 8
 
7 a.m. Monday June 5
 
According to TV news civil war has started between various
factions in the military.
 
I hope the students and workers will stay out of the line of
fire. Better to live to fight another day than to get killed
by random gunfire. Let the enemy become martyrs instead.
 
 
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    re .0
    
    The source of these comments IS NOT Digital employees.  (Just looking
    at the sources in the header addressing led me to be suspicious
    the first time I saw this one.)  The first disclaimer on the source
    that I saw was in Soapbox.
    
    The news from China is distressing, to say the least.  I suspect
    that we are seeing the beginnings of *yet another* civil war there.
    (I include the 'Cultural Revolution' as an instance of civil war.)
    The current news from China is necessarily disjointed and confusing,
    as it always will be in the heat of events.  Please be very alert
    to check on sources for information, as much of what we hear will
    be contradictory.  Clearly this is a tragedy of large proportions.
    My sympathies and good wishes go to all who are caught in this
    nightmare.
    
    Alison

The news from China is truly grave, and deserves widest dissemination.

However, let's be factual in attributing sources.  I've just received a copy
of note 368.135 in HANZI::FAR_EAST, which was written by Chinese students here
in the U.S., Canada, and Switzerland.  It had been forwarded around the world 18
times before reaching me, and it was claimed to be eyewitness accounts by DEC
employees.  At some point, while being forwarded, the names of the authors
were removed.

Although these messages may contain much factual information, and the rumours
they contain are worth reading, let's not add false information or falsely
attribute information from one source to another.  At times like this it is
important to know the actual source of information, so that we can filter it
and determine whom we can trust and of whom we should be cautious.

The people who wrote the messages are NOT DEC employees, and are NOT in China,
as some of the people forwarding the messages have claimed.

The original message had the names of the authors.  It is reasonable (even a
good idea) to remove some or all forwarding headers.  It is IMPROPER to remove
the names of the original authors:

The original authors are:

Reply-To: [email protected] (Liu)
Organization: EE/CS Dept. U.C. San Diego

>From: [email protected]
Organization: Wirtschaftsinformatik HSG - Switzerland

>From: [email protected] (Chun Chang)
Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
 
>From: [email protected] (Hong Yuzhang)
Organization: U. of Alberta, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
 
>From: [email protected] (Platt Mutman)
Organization: Princeton University

>From: [email protected] (Tom Tedrick)
Sender: [email protected]

    Regardless of the source, I'm sure we all agree that the whole Chinese
    affair is tragic. May I ask for a prayer chain from you womannoters?
    
    Kate
    
    P.S. I just heard on the news at noon that the American students
    are out of China.