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Conference turris::womannotes-v2

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V2 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1105
Total number of notes:36379

570.0. "Repressed - who, us?" by GEMVAX::KOTTLER () Wed May 03 1989 09:20

I've seen in discussions of pornography in this notes file and elsewhere
the view that pornography is just a symptom of a deeper problem that
society has in terms of its attitudes towards sex, and that when that
problem, and with it the "need" for pornography, goes away, then
pornography will go away. While I personally don't buy this argument (since
I think pornography, like rape, has as much to do with men exerting power
over women as it does with sex), nor do I think - even granting the
argument - that it justifies the existence or the tolerance of pornography,
I do think it raises some important questions: 

What *is* this "deep problem" afflicting our society? I assume it has
something to do with our being overly sexually repressive. But what exactly
is meant by that? Why is it true? Do we teach our children to be repressed?
Is pornography just one example of a national obsession with sex, that
results from repression? Are there other societies we can look at, that are
less repressive, and from which we can learn? How would we go about
lessening such repression? 

Dorian
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570.1Lets keep the 'human' in humanity24733::STANLEYWhat a long, strange trip its beenWed May 03 1989 14:3779
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>What *is* this "deep problem" afflicting our society? I assume it has
>something to do with our being overly sexually repressive. But what exactly
>is meant by that? Why is it true? Do we teach our children to be repressed?

This is a subject that I have been giving a great deal of thought to
lately.  I believe the subject is not so much sexual repression as it
is repression itself, which extends into many different areas of our
culture (including the sexual area).

During the last few administrations, there has been a shift in personal 
responsibility from the individual to the government.  Individual behavior 
has become a government priority (ie. the war on drugs: where the entire 
country is subjected to violence in order to protect a group of 
self-destructive drug users from the consequences of their own actions).  

As the government assumes responsibility for individual behavior and sets 
priorities, so do individuals focus on those priorities.  Domestic concerns, 
children, and education have not ranked high on the agendas of the past few 
administrations.

Parents today carry a terrible burden, financially, and emotionally.  
In California, a woman with no criminal record of any kind, who has worked
for the same company for 15 years to support her family, was arrested 
for "allowing her son to be a member of a gang".  The evidence is a photograph
showing gang members making a "hand sign" at his birthday party.

Since government has usurped individual responsibility in so many areas, 
many individuals no longer feel responsibility for themselves or for their 
families (ie. the welfare mother denied an abortion may not feel responsible
for the resulting child).  

As the individual loses control, he loses interest in contributing to the
well being of society.  Society looms like an inhuman machine that exists
to devour the individual, to use and discard him,  not to give him a pallet 
on which to display his skills, intelligence and talents.  

The individual may feel that he doesn't have a chance.  
College is so expense, the High School diploma is worth nothing today. A 
person can work an 80 hour week at minimum wage and still not lift his or
her family above poverty level.... so much for hard work buying success.

And what of our spiritual hunger?  The old religions do not teach us how
to live in today's world. Instead they keep trying to keep us locked in the 
old ways, ways that no longer work for many of us.  Old power structures
trying to perpetuate their continued existence through control of the 
individual.

Our values are all centered around money and money can be hard to come
by in some circles.  Some of us have so much and others so little.  Yet
the measure of a man in our society is how much money he has... not his
character, not his integrity, not his intelligence, not his talent.  Do you
wonder that some kids see drug dealing as a quick route to success (as our
society has taught them to measure success)?  Our children are a reflection 
of ourselves and we are a violent society living on quick, self-serving short 
term solutions to complicated and intricate problems.  

Futility and stress can lead to the sociopathic mindset that inspires random 
violence, apathy, and apathetic acceptance, and the overwhelming desire to
escape an intolerable reality that leads to drug abuse.

Schools have become tools for social conditioning.  Sexual behavior is
considered a social problem leading to pregnancy and AIDS.  Rather than
focusing on preventing teenage pregnancy and AIDS, we tell teenagers (at
the peak of their sexuality) to Just Say No to sex.  Abstinence is considered
to be the only acceptable behavior, rather than one of several choices.

Perhaps it is time that we as a society, and our government, stopped trying
to control the individual.  The individual needs to develop a sense of
personal responsibility.  That happens by making mistakes, by making choices,
by learning through experience.  We can set goals and make recommendations
but the individual does not exist to serve society.  Society and government
exist to benefit the individual.  We cannot change human nature, we must
adapt to it.

Mary
570.2punishment vs. self-disciplineXANADU::FLEISCHERwithout vision the people perish (381-0895 ZKO3-2/T63)Thu May 04 1989 14:3532
re Note 570.1 by 24733::STANLEY:

> In California, a woman with no criminal record of any kind, who has worked
> for the same company for 15 years to support her family, was arrested 
> for "allowing her son to be a member of a gang".  The evidence is a photograph
> showing gang members making a "hand sign" at his birthday party.

        I'm glad that I'm not the only one who found this new law,
        applied in this fashion, appalling.

        The fashionable solutions in our society today are to punish
        and to ban (contrasted with the '60s, when the fashionable
        programs were spending programs).

        We are always looking for new actions to punish, or new
        people to punish, or greater punishments, in attempt to
        reduce or eliminate harmful activities.

        I think that deterrence is HIGHLY overrated.  I'm not saying
        that crime shouldn't be punished, but I suspect that the
        potential for punishment, beyond a certain threshold, has a
        diminishing effect on current and future criminals.

        Punishment and deterrence are no substitute for
        self-discipline.  Punishment and deterrence alone won't
        foster self-discipline, either.  Our society has a severe
        lack of self-discipline.  I'm afraid that our public
        officials, with the majority of us acquiescing, will continue
        to erode our civil liberties in a vain attempt to reform
        society through punishment.

        Bob