Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    There are a number of other out of town noters coming to
    the area for the H_R party. As of tonite both Kathy
    Gallup and Liesl Kolbe have indicated that they are coming
    out from Colorado.
    
    Bonnie

      Hi everybody, In a mad moment of spring and Friday afternoon I've
      made reservations and decided to come to visit you all. I'll be
      staying with Joyce (thankyouthankyouthankyou Joyce). And I can't
      wait to meet everybody. I AM SO PSYCHED OVER THIS!

      I'll be completely shy at first and totally rowdy once I know you.
      You may need some time to recover after us mountain mammas get
      done partying. And the altitude's in my favor, I'll be getting
      high on the extra oxygen. liesl

>      I'll be completely shy at first and totally rowdy once I know you.

	 Don't believe her.....leisl?  shy?  I seem to remember a
	 story about the lawn at CXO3 at the last party.....hummm...
	 Can you top that one, leisl?

	 

	 I'd be psyched if I wasn't so sick!

	 kath

Marge, that was you! I thought I'd met you before. Too many strangers there for
me to be rowdy. We saved that for our trip to Medieval manner later on.

I promise to try and maintain a low roar at the party. Of course with Steve M
and Mel provding music I may end up singing (you don't have to be good at it
to be allowed do you?){

And as for ME being rowdy Kathy, we won't even mention when Steve and Joe
couldn't catch you on the way down. ;*) liesl

>And as for ME being rowdy Kathy, we won't even mention when Steve and Joe
>couldn't catch you on the way down. ;*) liesl

yea, well this time I promise I won't test anyone's reflexes!  And this time
I'll EAT before I drink!  %-}

kat

    Music?? Gak! Didn't think of that. I guess I'd better get out that
    guitar and practice. I felt really frustrated at the recent =wn=
    party when my fingers couldn't remember the chords and my vocal
    chords couldn't remember any lyrics. But, then, with Steve and Mel,
    there wasn't much slack to take up. :-)
    
    --- jerry

    Kathy, don't worry too much about drinking too much - last time
    I was out there I drank a 6-pack, and barely got a buzz.  And I'm
    usually a pretty easy drunk (here).
    
    As for Leisl, I've seen her be shy and withdrawn.  Maybe she should
    get some assertivess training before going out there.  Wouldn't
    want to let anyone down...
    
    Elizabeth

	 RE: -.1

	 I didn't drink too much!  I just didn't eat that day....ugh!

	 Yea...the altitude is great...last time i was back east i had
	 loads of tequilla and barely felt it.....definately an
	 advantage.

	 :-)

	 kath

    Re: .10
    
    Not to worry - I'll be there to catch Kathy (maybe I'll be quicker
    this time?) :-)  Kath, you can eat all the chocolate mousse you
    want (what gets by Liesl, that is...)
    
    Seriously, I am really looking forward to this.  A lot of great
    people getting together, forming new friendships, renewing
    old ones.  If the last party was any indication, Diana, Liesl,
    Kathy, (and a possible surprise additional mystery guest from afar)
    will experience the best of New England noters' hospitality.
    
    				Steve

    re: Kathy
    
    Save some energy Kat you might need it for Sunday...
    
    Steve

    I am looking forward to meeting so many people in one go!
    I fly in on 4th May so hope I will not be too tired to stay up late.
    I am staying with Charlene, who I met via this conference, and who
    visited England last year.  She is kindly going to show me around
    Boston and feed me on oreo cookies and maple syrup, both of which
    are in short supply over here.  In return I will bring her some
    Earl Grey tea to which I introduced her in England.
    
    I am currently working out my last week in my current job and then
    when I get back home  after my US trip I start a new job right away,
    so I will be in a mood to celebrate on 5th!
    
    diana

	 Awww,,, don't worry Steve (Thompson), I'll save my energy for
	 the MOANS party on Sunday! :-)  Three parties in three
	 days....I think I am going to be a dead puppy on the plan
	 coming home...


	 Steve (Lionel)...I hope you're working on your reaction
	 time... (catch me, catch me!)

	 :-)

	 kath

    
<    Not to worry - I'll be there to catch Kathy (maybe I'll be quicker
<    this time?) :-)  Kath, you can eat all the chocolate mousse you
<    want (what gets by Liesl, that is...)

      OK, that's it. That's THREE! Just wait till the slumber party -

      "some consequence yet hanging in the stars
      shall bitterly begin his fearful date
      With this night's revels" WS

      P.S. DougO says I can have his share of the mousse, ;*}
      liesl

    So much mention has been made to catching the obviously accident
    prone Ms. Gallup that I vote we give her a new nickname.
    
    How about:  Kathy 'Pop Fly' Gallup'.?!@

    
>    How about:  Kathy 'Pop Fly' Gallup'.?!@

	 ahem....accident prone?  I'm a walking accident just waiting
	 to happen!  Lesse, a cracked bone in my foot that never
	 healed, a broken nose while in 8th grade, severe cronic
	 tendonitis in my right wrist, headaches everyday and doctors
	 don't know why, 1+ migraine a week, sick five times since
	 01.01.89, ...

	 Dare I go on? :-)

         I'll have you know, though, I hit a homer in softball
         practice the other day!  :-) 

	 I vote for Kathy 'hopeless case' Gallup....yea.....
	 that's me.... :-)

	 
RE: leisl

	 you can have mine too...I hate chocolate.....  :-)


	 

    
    .8....
    
    Jerry,
    
    You are too kind...[grin] Steve and I have made music together
    
    [ahhh...instrumentally?....rehearsed?.....how about "on guitar and
    keyboards?"...that's nice and kinky....yes, I know I should go
    back and edit that phrase, but it amuses me to leave it and wait for
    Mallett to sputter out a retort..."I'm waiting Steve...." Let's
    see it will start out: "Hmpgh gork msuidhphi!"....Hmmm?] 
    
    for a grand total of about 3 hours..."including" the =wn= party!
    [chuckle]
    
    We are not talking "music" here, we are talking "smoke and
    mirrors" by a couple of old hands at lookin' a whole lot better
    than we are....Hmmmm?
    
    	"What was that chord you just played?...."
    
    	"I don't know but it fit real well with the lyric
    	you just made up..."
    
    	"Right...."
    
    	"For G*d sakes, just *keep* playing till I figure out
    	*what* you are playing...."
    
    	"Uh-huh...you got it?"
    
    	"YES!...ALRIGHT LET'S BOOGEY...."
    
    	"Good, cause I forget how it goes after this part..." 
    
    	"Right...[sigh]"
    
    	"How about...."
    
    	"Right...."
    
    	"In E flat minor no doubt?"
    
    	"Hmmmm...my favorite key..."
    
    [chuckle]
    
    Melidna

    re: .19
    
    � Steve and I have made music together. . .
    
    And, as we all know, musicians do it with rhythm. . .
    
    � Hmpgh, gork, & msuidhphi!
    
    Wasn't that what I had for supper the other night at that Japanese
    restaurant?  Oh, no; now I remember. . .those are my attornies.
    
    � We are not talking "music" here, we are talking "smoke and
    � mirrors" 
    
    Mel speaks truth here.
    
    � by a couple of old hands at lookin' a whole lot better
    � than we are....Hmmmm?
    
    Mel speaks with forked tongue here. . .what's this "old" jive?
    
    re: .5 (sort of)

    � Of course with Steve M and Mel provding music. . .
    
    Um, I need to take a "technical time out" here.  Mel will have
    to speak for herself (and is, I assure you, more than capable
    of doing so); but I don't exactly intend to "provide music".
    In the first place, there are those who've claimed that such
    is beyond my capabilities (Philistines like my father, f'rinstance).
    But, more to the point, what is said I would do is provide musical
    *instruments*.
    
    To quote myself (HR 726.70):
    
    � I can bring a few "noisemakers", but, since I cringe at playing
    � solo, I want to know if there are any other musicians in the crowd.  
    
    I'll bring 'em if somebody'll play 'em and, so far, the "volunteers"
    list is *real* sketchy, so maybe I won't bring 'em.  And if, dear
    reader, you think this is the equivalent to musical blackmail. . . 
    you're absolutely right!
    
    Before I go lugging additional guitars, keyboards, bass, and/or
    drum machines, I wanna know they won't sit and gather dust.  A few
    brave souls have suggested they may give forth vocal offerings
    
    e.g. (from .5)
    
    � I may end up singing (you don't have to be good at it to be 
    � allowed do you?)
    
    FWIW, liesl, I've never let abysmal playing technique and a
    scare-a-dog-off-a-meat-wagon voice stop me from performing; it's
    truly amazing what people will pay for in this world. . .
    
    And Robin Skinner apparently knows "Chopsticks" (the "symphony", not
    the restaurant); but as yet, she hasn't actually *agreed* to play
    anything.
    
    So maybe I'll just forget the whole thing, stay at home, and grumble
    about what a bunch of wimpy, namby-pamby, no-party, stick-in-the-muds
    everybody is these days. . .
    
    Steve

    Steve,
    
    I'll bring my sing along book of camp songs :-) I can still
    play most of them fast enough for people to be willing to sing.
    
    Bonnie

    Um, Eagles, I think there is a fairly obvious reason why parties
    are all womannoters or Humanrelations types...with a sprinkling
    of Friends perhaps...Those are the notes files that sponsor parities!
    
    I suspect that if someone was to volunteer his or her place
    and announce the party in the various files like soapbox and
    carbuffs and moans etc. that you would get quite a noter turn out...
    
    tho very likely not of the folks that go to =wn= and H_R parties.
    
    In general the one all noter party I went to struck me as too heavy
    on the drinking and too light on the conversation...the reverse
    of most =wn= and h_r parties.
    
    Bonnie

Mallett, I knew I could count on you....
    
>>    And, as we all know, musicians do it with rhythm. . .

Oh!!!...Is that what that stutter-step was all about.....?

    � by a couple of old hands at lookin' a whole lot better
    � than we are....Hmmmm?
    
>>    Mel speaks with forked tongue here. . .what's this "old" jive?

Mallett, I hate to jolt you into the light of day, but 
[and last I looked you were a "tad" older than I....] there are folks
out there "working" for DEC that you could have "sired"...."no
jive, 'honey', these dudes is *young-uns*..." [giggle]...[bring
extra vitamins...]

I didn't say anything was "wrong" with "old"....in fact, it eliminates
a lot of training exercises that are tedious at best....[grin]...
    
>>    Um, I need to take a "technical time out" here.  Mel will have
>>    to speak for herself (and is, I assure you, more than capable
>>    of doing so); but I don't exactly intend to "provide music".
>>    In the first place, there are those who've claimed that such
>>    is beyond my capabilities (Philistines like my father, f'rinstance).
>>    But, more to the point, what is said I would do is provide musical
>>    *instruments*.

Yes, folks, Steve is right again....I can and do pretty often [grin]
And I agree with him this time. I'm bringin' one or two instruments
myself, but I'll only play [ah...instruments] if there's someone
to play [I give up....the verb is just *too* tedious] with.    

>>    FWIW, liesl, I've never let abysmal playing technique and a
>>    scare-a-dog-off-a-meat-wagon voice stop me from performing; it's
>>    truly amazing what people will pay for in this world. . .

[ahem], I intend to save this and quote from it someday in the
future when you have a particularly cutting comment to make
about my rendition of a song.....[grin]
    
RE .21

I think Steve made it fairly clear that he was exercising musical
blackmail, not indicting noters parties.

Eagles_should_use_their_own_words_if_they_intend_insult_rather_than_
misquoting_other's.

Melinda

>               -< Cliquish_Clan-Gatherings.NOT.Noter-Parties ! >

I take EXTREME exception to this statement!  I have never gone for the clique
scene and I never intend to...the party was announced and anyone can come!
Everyone will be welcome there and we'll have a great time!

If you wish not to come to the party that is YOUR decision and your decision
alone...but don't say that you weren't welcome there...you have no one to
blame but yourself if you feel that way.  Whether read-only or not, i've never
heard ANYWHERE in this note that people are not welcome....If someone
gets that impression it definately come from inside them, not from
anyone here.


kath


BTW:  there *IS* a MOANS luncheon on Sunday the 8th in Marloro.  Anyone is
welcome to come...the invite is in MOANS.    (Can you stand meeting me at
two parties????) :-)

>	there used to be a common file ? DELNI::NETPARTY.Note ?

>    .. and for whatever it's worth we agree that file-specific clan
>    gatherings serve a useful purpose for that particular group.


Eagles, as you well know, Mike Foley started that file and
it was discontinued when he moved jobs and didn't have the
computer space for it or the interest or what ever any more.
Anyone with a problem about the loss of delni::netparty can
either write to Mike and brainstorm about ideas to open such
a file up again and/or start such a file themselves.

Steve, I don't think you meant it that way, but your note came
over like you were some how blaming =wn= and h_r noters for
the death of the older parties that you knew. It is true that
it is a different group of people that gather for these parties
and it is often that many of the same group of people are on
the party list. But I don't think there is a problem with
that. The reason we all go to the parties is that we are friends
or have a common interest in similar things or want to get so
know people we only know from node::name. Is that so much different
from the first notes parties? Yes, it is a different group of people
but we are not deliberately exlusive, infact at =wn= parties we
make a concerted moderator and member effort to be sure we talk with new
people. Somehow, I kinda doubt that happened at the early noters
parties...except perhaps to see if this 'new person' had a 'rep'
in the file. (and I say this from what I gather of other old
noters, not as a critcism of you and your warm friendliness to
this person as a new noter.)

 >   However when read-only noters or those who read/write mainly
 >   in work-related conferences tend to feel slightly uninvited,
 >   clearly the desirable social interaction among digits is lost.

um, eagles, how do you suggest that the =wn= and the h_r crowd
deal with this issue? We have no way of reaching out to those
who only write in work-related conferences. Nor do I feel any
responsibility to same. and in re 'read only' we almost always
have 4 or 5 'read onlies' minimum at =wn= events, and some of
them keep coming back..other than that I, as a moderator, have
no other answers...people have to reach out on their own, I do
try very hard to talk to and befreind new people..but none
of us are superwoman/man in re parties.  I went to my first noters
party scared and nervous and made friends that night. I can only
encourage others to do the same.
    
 and really what does =wn= notes owe to "real Noters (mostly males)
 [who] never read Womannotes...and ....[the] really nice people
 who work for digital [who] just find the Human Relations conference
 to be...." 
    
 We have parties for the people who read our file, H_R (primarily
 Steve Lionel at this point) sponsors parties for those who read that
 file. Kristy Gleason sponsors parties for the Friends file. Meigs
 Glidewell sponsored a party that she announced in this file for
 displaced midwesterners. I am sponsoring a birding trip for those who
 follow upnrth::wild_birds. Are you honestly saying that any of those
 people owe anything to the vast noters audience that does not follow
 Birds, or Friends, or Womannotes, or Human_Relations, or Parenting
 or Feline or Canine (to mention other files that have parties.)
    
 For heavens sake, if you want another 'general noters party' contact
 someone who has sponsored one before, or put a note in soapbox looking
 for a place...but don't write notes complaining that =wn= and h_r parties
 have become an exclusive clique...we aren't ....but we do attract
 particular types of people...and those that liked the older semi alcoholic
 noters bashes will be as uncomfortable at a =wn= party as I would be
 at a car buffs party.
    
 Bonnie

>    Do you have your secret map to the gathering-of-the-faithful ?
>    Will you be spared having to "interact" with any of "them" ???

What do you meant by this? I keep a list of those who come to =wn=
parties and send them mail when there is a new party...does
that make it a list or map of the 'faithful'?  I really don't
understand what you meant by this, could you explain?

 > ~--e--~  Eagles_Used_2_Land_Where_The_Conversation_Was_Interesting

Bonnie_who_used_to_land_near_eagles_because_he_was_interesting

    Speaking as one who attended the *first* "official" Noters Party...
    
    There's a good reason why there's no general Noters parties these
    days. The Net in general, and the Notes community specifically
    have just gotten too damn *big*.
    
    The first official Noters Party was organized and announced in
    TRIVIA (it may have also been announced in another notesfile or
    two) at a time when a significantly large portion of the Notes
    community participated in TRIVIA.
    
    Over the course of the next couple of years, the parties got larger
    and larger, as the community got larger and larger. The last =wn=
    party had an attendence that was equal to or greater than that
    first Noters Party.
    
    Just because there's a narrower focus for the attendence list doesn't
    mean that it's a clique.
    
    --- jerry

    re: .22 .24 & .26
    
� re: .20		HANDY::MALLETT
�    So maybe I'll just forget the whole thing, stay at home, and grumble
�   about what a bunch of wimpy, namby-pamby, no-party, stick-in-the-muds
�   everybody is these days. . .

�    Well at least you'll be in good company (your own) ...  And your
�    fine idea would be appealing to grumpy old eagles as well if DEC
�    Notes/Noter-Parties were our only means of amusing ourselves ...
    
    I'm confused here, Eagle; I read the words but I don't understand
    the message. . .  As Mel observed earlier, my "grumble" was just
    an attempt at "musical blackmail" - a nudge at other party-goers
    to i.d. themselves as players (esp. those of the "Well, I used to
    play the ______ years ago, but I'd never *dream* of doing so today"
    ilk); I'd be happy to provide instruments, but if nobody's gonna
    use 'em, I'll leave 'em in the studio.  As far as my staying at
    home and grumbling, that's purely a bluff (and, for those who 
    know me, a laughable one); I *like* the parties I've attended 
    (especially the ones I manage to get to *before* 11:00  :-}  )
    P.S.  When I'm alone, I am, more often than not, in rotten company;
    all the more reason for me to pahty hahty on the fifth. ..
    
�   Interesting that you observed the same trend ... all noter-parties
�   tend to have lost their wide-spread all-digital appeal and have now
�   become polarized into just the womannoters or just human-relaters.
    
    I made no such observation; that one's yours and yours alone, my
    friend.  One opinion I would offer at this juncture is that if
    there are parties at which only =wn=ers and HRers show up, it
    wouldn't necessarily be a *bad* thing; might even be pretty good.
    I know of conferences (MUSIC, f'rinstance) who's parties are so
    big, they have to hire a hall (DREGS::MUSIC for the interested).
    Or are you simply offering your place for an all-DEC (all 125,000
    of us) party. . .?  
    
�   Have we managed to drive out almost all spontaneous attendees yet?
�   The Party::Person lists seem to have become pretty standardized ...
    
    Dunno about that; what I *do* know is that the "list" is comprised
    of a very elite group. . .mainly anyone and everyone who says they
    want to attend.  If someone isn't on the list, it's their own 
    fault (and, imo, their own loss).

�   ~--e--~  Eagles_Remember_the_All-Conference_Noter-Party_@_Corky's
    
    The implication is that Corky's was a "better" party - and, it
    may have been both for yourself and others; if that's what you
    mean to say, it's a perfectly valid (subjective) call.  So does
    this mean you're about to organize another such party?   "'Tis
    better to light one candle. . .". y'know?

�    	there used to be a common file ? DELNI::NETPARTY.Note ?
   
    O.K.  So what are you doing to rectify the problem?

�   However when read-only noters or those who read/write mainly
�   in work-related conferences tend to feel slightly uninvited,
�   clearly the desirable social interaction among digits is lost.

    Why would read-only noters feel "slightly uninvited"?  And, even
    if they do, who's responsibility is that?  The invitation is
    for anyone who reads it, no?  All one has to do to join in the
    fun is jump in the pool. . .NBD. . .in the words of the immortal
    Peter Wolf (of J. Geils fame), "All ya gotta do is move/Every time
    you catch that groove/Ain't nothin' but a party. . ." 
    
    As far as work-related conferences, go, why don't *you* cross-post 
    the invitation, *checking first* with those who've offered their 
    house up on the sacrificial party alter. . .last time I looked, 
    max quota was 'bout to be exceeded, so to speak.  Or, better yet, 
    light that candle and organize a party for readers & writers those 
    conferences. It seems to me that although we've met through the
    company, this is still a matter of private individuals offering
    their pad for a private party; it's not a "DEC function".
    
�   not that noters ever listen anyway ... they only "note" ...
    
    Speak for yourself here, kemosabe. . .

�   but old eagles are just too busy doing real work these days
�   to be bothered "insulting" anybody ...  Noter-Parties used
�   to be our only form of social activity before the Spring
�   Funnycar Drag-Racing at Epping NH become something to do
�   in the great out-of-doors on Sundays ...
� 
�   If anything we try to keep people out there THINKing during
�   their notes-breaks ...  After all ... DEC is trying to be
�   more productive (like 1BM) and some of us believe that the
�   social communication and interdigitation is the only valid
�   justification for the time/energy/disk space used for =wn=.

    First, I believe you didn't *mean* to insult anyone; but can you
    hear the words of your compadres. . .several have said they felt
    insult in your words.  Are you hearing why your words were felt
    with a sting?  
    
    F'rinstance - the phrase "old eagles are too busy doing real work. . . "
    seems somewhat accusatory to me.  The use of the word "real" implies
    that the work that others are doing isn't real; the entire phrase
    implies that others (who aren't "old eagles") aren't similarly
    (i.e. "appropriately") busy.  And again, there seems to be indictment
    in an implication that some of us aren't busy enough competing with
    IBM.  This is a thought you've expressed before (e.g. in the
    "does-notes-equal-addiction?" string); perhaps this discussion would
    be more appropriate there.
    
    And again, I feel an implied condesension hearing that "eagles"
    ". . .try to keep people out there THINKing during their note-breaks"
    We, the "people out there" apparently aren't "THINKing" (by your
    standards) on our "note-breaks".  Is this really the message you
    mean to give?  It seems to be the message that several are receiving,
    including myself.  
    
    At times, it feels like your words are saying that you the "Eagle" 
    are flying high above us common fowl (fools? fouls?) trying to help
    us up out of our befuddled existence.  
    
    And, occasionally, when I get this feeling I find myself looking up 
    to make sure I'm not standing underneath when you fly overhead. . .
    
    Steve 

      
    
    .31...
    
    

      Eagles, this is getting a bit out-of-hand. I resent your
      implication that those who 'note in work related' conferences have
      been left out and that the rest of us aren't working. Hmm, it
      seems to me that I've known Steve Lionel, Mike Foley, Bob Holt,
      DougO, Suzanne Conlon and a few others as much in VMSNOTES as in
      =wn= or H_R. All of us have been known (especially Steve and Mike)
      to write many helpful work related notes. Suzanne has forgotten
      more about clusters than most of us know. Most of us also note in
      many work related conferences.( especially the notes_bugs
      conference ;*)). I moderate 4 CSC work related conferences in
      addition to the 10 work related ones I read every day and the 15
      or so that I use occasionally. I suspect most of the moderators
      wouldn't care to have to deal with party notes. 

      It seems to me (IMHO) that you are just feeling sorry for
      yourself. If I had thought this was a clique only party I'd hardly
      have thrown caution to the winds and considered jumping on a plane
      to go stay with someone I've never met (who offered her place
      without ever having met me).  You are creating your own heartache
      and can change soothe it if you want to. liesl

	 Yo Steve!

	 I usta play the piano! :-)  I can read music and I'm thinkin'
	 of buyin' and guitar soon.......definately bring me something
	 to play with!

	 kath

    re: .34
    
    Now that's the kind of sound I've been waiting to hear - definitely
    music to *my* ears.  Your instruments await, sister; rock on!
    
    Steve

    In stating that =wn= and H_R parties are cliquish I wonder if the
    complainer is really saying that in order to receive directions
    one must sign in and therefore commit to being there.  When they
    in fact would like to be an unexpected guest.
    
    The folks that have opened their homes to these parties have been
    extremely generous.  They work hard to be good hosts or hostesses
    and they plan their parties in such a way that they continue to
    be good neighbors.
    
    I am looking forward to a good time on May 5th as I have had at
    other parties.  If you want to go but do not want your name on a
    public list just send a mail message to Steve and he will be glad
    to include you in the mailing of directions without putting you
    on a public list.
    
    

    Joyce is right - the reason we ask people to sign up is so that we
    have SOME idea of how many people are coming.  I don't see anything
    wrong with this.  Anyway, if this is a clique, it's a darned large
    one!
    
    One thing I'm pleased to see is that it's NOT the same group
    every time.  Yes, there are a few regulars, but the number of people
    signed up who haven't been to the past parties is larger than the
    number who have.
    
    Personally, I dislike the larger parties, especially the ones at
    restaurants, as you just don't get a chance to meet and talk
    with everyone.  But that's me, and I don't insist everyone feel the
    same way.
    
    				Steve

    RE: you just don't get a chance to meet everyone...
    
    Steve EVEN at the womannotes party, some of them get to be so large
    that you can't meet and talk with everyone.  I don't think that the large
    party that you are having is any different than the ones Kristy had 
    at Chopsticks.  I'd hate to see a comparison wrongly made. If there
    is a difference, its that its cheaper to have one at a house, and
    a terminal is available for over-the-pond type noters...
    
    g

    Re: .38
    
    Well, Gale, I did say that it was just my personal preference.  I have
    had no problems getting to talk to everyone at the =wn= parties I
    have attended.  At the last party that both you and I were at, you
    only stayed for a short time, under an hour I think.  Perhaps that may
    have influenced your feelings on the matter.
    
    It's just my observation that at the "restaurant parties" I have
    attended, and I admit it's not many, most people stayed seated at
    their tables and that there was limited mingling.  Perhaps you've seen
    others that were different.
    
    In no way was I trying to make a value judgement, I'm sorry if you
    read one into my words.
    
    As for the subject of terminals at parties, well...  I've never quite
    seen the point of that.  To me, the idea of noters parties is for the
    noters to get together and interact face-to-face.  To have them show
    up and then sit around a terminal all night (slight exaggeration here)
    is not my idea of a good time.  After all, we talk over the net to
    people all the time.  I understand how the folks from far away would
    like to feel included, and perhaps something can be done, but I've
    seen such activities just take over at parties and it seems to me to
    put a damper on the socializing.
    
    What I enjoy about the =wn= and H_R parties I have attended (as well
    as the one in Colorado earlier in the month) is that people shift
    around and engage in conversations with different folks, and don't tend
    to stay in the same tight circle all night.  And I hope to encourage
    that this Friday.
    
    				Steve
    

    
    [chuckle]
    
    Wasn't there some day-time drama [soap] a few years back
    that started out..."...shifting sands of time..."????
    
    Sorry...mental hang-over this morning....[grin]
    
    Anyway....YO STEVE! [Lionel], does that mean I can't
    hang on your sleeve *all* night long? [sigh] I guess a fleeting
    touch will have to do....[gosh darn...]
    
    hugs
    
    Mel

    re: .41
    
    Just outta curiousity, Eagle, why is it you think that
    ". . .readers who don't ask. . ." are assuming they aren't
    welcome?  Or assuming anything, for that matter?
    
    Perspiring minds want to know. . .
    
    Steve

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    Seeing that true Winter is is really in the dead of January, and by that
    time most of us will be needing a lift from being worn out from
    Christmas shopping (those that still have some left to do that is)

    The WINTER Human Relations Party is booked for the 27th of January,
    from 2pm to Midnight(ish) at the Shrewsbury Commons Clubhouse,
    Shrewsbury, Mass.

    Since they asked for (and recieved :-)) a LARGE damage deposit, we have 
    to be neat that night :-)...  Smoking will be outside, and there are no 
    cats :-)

    This also gives the Colorado crew that wants to come three months
    notice for savings, and my house will be open to any that would like to
    stay over for that evening.

    More information as the time gets closer!!!

    
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	OPERA::LEE  		!Andy 
	XCUSME::KOSKI 		!Gail
	AWARD1::HARMON          !Pat 
	GEMVAX::ROSS  		!Gale
	ICESK8::Kleinberger 	!Gale
	LDYBUG::GOLDMAN  	!Amy
	WAYLAY::GORDON   	!Doug    
	LDYBUG::LAVEY		!Cathy     
	MILKWY::ZARLENGA	!Mike
	SYSENG::BITTLE          !Nancy
    	RAINBO::CANNOY		!Tamzen
	WASTED::PARADIS		!Jim and Tamara
    	CIMNET::MIKELIS		!Jim and Lynn    
	CONURE::AMARTIN		!Al and Melissa
	WMOIS::H_TAYLOR         !Holly
	SOURCE::KISER           !AK
	SOFBAS::LIVINGSTONE     !Linda
	AITG::DERAMO		!Dan


    	XXXXXX::XXXXXXX		! One out-of-state-mystery-guest      
    
    


Your Winter party hosts,

Amy, Doug and Gale
    
    
    Directions will be sent out later, but for those who need to even find
    Shrewsbury on the Map, its around 495 and 9. Also... if you can let us
    know what you are plannig on bringing as you sign up (send mail if
    you've already) we can start adding that to the list also...