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Conference turris::womannotes-v2

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 2 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V2 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1105
Total number of notes:36379

354.0. "Women's Vote in Switzerland" by LEZAH::BOBBITT (Wreck the Malls w/ Cows on Harleys) Wed Dec 21 1988 16:32

    I have heard that two cantons (regions?) in Switzerland will not
    allow women to vote, but Switzerland as a whole is obviously
    progressive enough that a woman has risen to the office of Vice
    President of Switzerland (she resigned recently, a friend read,
    because her husband was involved in some multi-million dollar scam).
    
    Women in all cantons can apparently vote in national elections,
    but women in the two cantons apparently cannot participate in the
    canton elections.
    
    Does anyone have any more information on this?  Any background on
    how this came about?  Has Switzerland had a womens' movement towards
    greater equality on a canton-by-canton basis?

    -Jody
    
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354.1Other possible conference sourcesAQUA::WAGMANQQSVWed Dec 21 1988 17:256
You might want to ask in CHORD::HELVETICA, the conference on Switzerland
(hit KP7 and all that).  That conference doesn't seem to have too much
activity, though.  If no one answers there you might also try EURO_WOMAN
(currently it lives at TRUCKS::DISK$USER75:[GKE]EURO_WOMAN).

						--Q (Dick Wagman)
354.2SQM::MAURERRest you merryThu Dec 22 1988 08:0513
    One canton in which women are not allowed to vote in local elections is
    the Appenzell.  I have not heard of any other.  The Appenzell is
    a lovely region, but the Appenzellois (the people) are considered
    to be somewhat "back-woods" by many Swiss.
                                             
    I don't think Switzerland has a vice president.  It has a seven member
    council.  These seven people take turns being head-of-state for a year.
    The position doesn't give them any extra power; it is mostly for
    ceremonial purposes.  Sometime around 1985, a woman made it to this
    council.  She was a conservative, of course, as is most of the country
    (but certainly not all).                 
                                             
    Helen    
354.3Times are changingMINNY::ZIMMERMANNDThu Dec 22 1988 09:1921
    Jody,
    
    There is in fact 1 canton (state), which is divided into 2 subcantons,
    where women can't vote in *cantonal* votations/elections. 
    
    Your information about our first female vice-president, who had
    to resign because of her husband, is also correct.
    
    Since 16 years, all Swiss women can vote/elect/be elected on a
    *national* level.
    
    Up to the recent past, things went a bit slowly over here. Women
    (and some men) had to fight for about 50 years to get the right
    to vote and elect. This goal was achieved in 1972. In 1984 we even
    got an Equal Rights Amendment in the Constitution. Currently quite
    a few laws are being changed (mainly the marital laws) in order
    to match this Amendment.
    
    
    Doris Zimmermann
    
354.4now *that's* interesting!RAINBO::TARBETThu Dec 22 1988 09:354
    I didn't know that even some men couldn't vote, Doris.  What was
    the basis for being allowed to vote?  Ownership of land?
    
    						=maggie
354.5OoopsMINNY::ZIMMERMANNDThu Dec 22 1988 09:447
    Sorry, the language made me do it.
    
    English is not my native language (as you most probably realised).
    What I wanted to say was that some men were involved in the "fight".
    Men were always allowed to vote.
    
    Doris
354.6RAINBO::TARBETThu Dec 22 1988 10:296
    Oh, okay, that's what I'd thought.  (Your command of english is
    terrific, btw, you just got caught by the same thing that catches most
    native speakers at one time or another:  the infamous Dangling Modifier
    Problem) 
    
    						=maggie
354.7include historical perspectiveSKYWAY::BENZSW-Licencing, Switzerland (@ZUO)Thu Jan 19 1989 17:1420
    It's called democratic process.
    
    When Switzerland was founded in Switzerland by a bunch of unruly
    terrorists in 1291, they made up something like a constituition,
    where they also defined the right to vote for a subgroup of the
    population - which happended to be all men.
    
    So, to change the constitution, *men* had to vote to give the vote to women.
    I wonder what the result of such a vote would be in America today...
    
    On the female Vice-President: She was caught giving confidential
    information from her ministry to her husband. She had the ministry
    of justice, which amongst other things had to investigate money
    laundring. Her husband was on the board of directors of a company
    who was (is) allegedly laundring drug money. A nice little family
    business. A connection to the Oliver North affair is rumoured as
    well.                    
    
    Regards,
    Heinrich