Conference turris::womannotes-v2

I hate 
	discussing an already-discussed-to-death technical decision

	bad cable reception

	conflicting holiday parties.

	Mez

     
    children are sick
    
    people are inconsiderate and/or rude
    
    the temperature is below freezing
    
    

    I leave my shoes in my kitchen and have to spend the
    day in either boots or stocking feet.
    
    Bonnie

    ... when people doubt me on a topic that they know I am good at 
        (hand in hand goes the phrase "Are you sure?", which I doubly 
        hate!) 
    
    ... Maddonna and rap
    
    ... people who dump cologne/perfume on so that you can smell them
        from a mile away
    
    ... people who PUSH their beliefs and/or religion on me (which kinda
        goes with #1)
    
    ... anyone trying to hurt or make fun of my family and friends
    
    ... apples 
    
    ... sushi
    
    ... stress
    
    K.C.

	...people I like leave DEC. Many of them will be sorry. I know I was.

	...the bills come in faster then my pay check does. Seems to happen
	    a lot this time of year.

	...children are sick - makes you want to change places with them
	    it's a really helpless feeling.

	...when my wife is sick.

	...when friends I haven't met come to New England and I can't get
	    to where ever they are - so close and yet so far.

	...People call me up with Notes questions when I have tons of real
	    work to do - I don't get paid to do anything with Notes but
	    some people have trouble believing me.

	...Customers have problems that I can't help them with.

	...Other DECcies have problems that I can't help them with.

		Gee this could ge depressing. I'm leaving. :-)


				Alfred

	...people say "You're older (or more experianced) you should know
	    better."

				Alfred

>	...people I like leave DEC. Many of them will be sorry. I know I was.

I was too, but it was a great growth experience! I learned a ton.
	Mez

    
    	....The phone bill arrives.
            
    	....my friends get together without me due to travel restrictions.
    
    	....Notre Dame loses.
    
    	....prejudiced people act like the complete idiots that they
    are.
    
    	....situations that could be solved aren't because of politics.
    
    	....doctors don't give you appointments right away.
    
    	....people that you're supposed to be working with are lazy.
    
    	....I have to say goodbye to my friends and family.
    
    GO IRISH!
    
    Rachel

    
    
    
    . . . .spending Christmas by myself :-{
                                        `
    

    ....the optician calls on Tuesday AND Thursday to tell me my
    glasses are ready, and when I go to pick 'em up on Saturday
    AND Monday......they're CLOSED!  Argh.
    

    ...I have to schedule one of my support folks on site on Christmas.
    
    the grinch,
    Marge

    
    ...the wiper on the driver's side cleans all but the area at 
       eye level!  
    
    Sharon

    ... I rush to answer the phone, and find that it's one of those
    furshlugginer automated dialing machines telling me I have been
    "specially selected" to receive something I have absolutely no
    interest in.  I get these at home AND at work!  (And found one
    on my answering machine the other day!)
    
    				Steve

    ... Someone thinks badly of me for the wrong reasons (goodness
        knows there are enough RIGHT reasons! :-))
    
    ... I do something nice for someone and they worry about my motives
    
    ... I ask someone a question and get evasive (or no) replies
    
    ... I am judged based on the actions of others
    
    				Steve

    in re .14
    
    That company must be saturating the New England area - they
    got us last night at dinner time. I just hang up the minute
    they start.
    
    Bonnie

    Having supported myself through college for a very short time as
    a telemarketer, I'd like to continue / create a rathole here for
    a moment:
    
    These operations work purely on a statistical basis.  Of x number
    of phones called, x % will answer.  Of x % that answer, a much smaller
    percent will be receptive to your message.  Of that much smaller
    percent that are receptive, a smaller yet number will agree to see
    a sales representative.  Of those that see a sales representative,
    a smaller yet number will purchase the product or service.  It is
    this now miniscule percent that supports the overall operation.
    
    Now, the trick is to NEVER purchase anything that was initiated
    by telephone, not a magazine subscription, not a newspaper, not
    a free anything, never, ever.  That is the only way these operations
    will go out of business.  And perhaps as a side effect, college
    students will go flip hamburgers and the cost of fast food will
    go down because of the larger labor pool... :^)
    
    By the way, what may be a ridiculous offering for you might not
    be for an invalid...like home delivery of groceries... some of these
    outfits do offer a valid service.
    
    grins,
    Marge

    ....Everyone always asks the same old question every year to start
    off conversation, "Have you finished your christmas shopping yet"
    
    I want to say, "No, and I don't plan to finish till next spring".
    
    Sherry
    

    I've been too busy to read this Notes Conference for 2 months;
    
    The 2-legged mammals mistreat any other living thing that isn't
    a 2-legged mammal;
    
    People who aren't handicapped use the handicapped facilities (parking 
    spaces, rest rooms, etc.)  If they HAD to use them, they WOULDN'T
    WANT TO!

    ... people will ask a newlywed "So, how is married life treating
    you?"
    
    I have been married for 3 years now, and whenever I see someone
    that I haven't seen in a long time, they ask this.  The first year
    that we were married, we both got this question asked to us at LEAST
    5 times every day (not exaggerating!).   
    
    ... when handicapped people take advantage of their own handicaps
    ("You have to do that for me because I'm handicapped").
    
    K.C.

    I second 336.15.
    
    Especially item two, when I do something nice for someone
    and they doubt my motives and make it into a major problem.
    
    m

    ...  people trivialize an important discussion by flooding it with
    	 a series of "Oh, aren't I clever" inane jokes
    
    			Steve

    
    	... people complain about a little light-heartedness in a topic
    	that had been already been completely dormant for almost a
    	month! ...
    
    	... especially when the topic itself had a history of two completely
	separate running gags (one with puns and one with blank messages)
    	from early on ...
    

    
    ...people ask my husband and I when we are going to have children.
    
    ...or take one of us aside and advise us not to wait too long!
        
    This happens all the time and I'm tired of it - You'd think I was
    nearing age 40  and people were worried I was running out of time - I'M
    only 23!!!!!!!! And no matter what age I am it's still none of your
    d*mn business so BUTT OUT! 
    
    Thanks, I feel better now.

    I agree with .25!
    
    I am 24, and people ask us the same thing.  My hub and I have been
    trying, and I miscarried once.  THEN, when people hear about my
    miscarriage, they say "Well, it just wasn't your time/meant to be"
    and "Well, you're young; you can try again."  (Contradictions both,
    and making it sound like a child, even an unborn one, can just be
    replaced.)
    
    K.C.

    I ditto .25 and .26;  I have one child, a very good little kidling
    daughter and she's all I want. I'm 26 - people are constantly saying
    "It's time for another one."  I can usually calmly reply "not in
    my family it isn't," but there are times when I'd love to ring a
    person's neck for suggesting that it's time for another child when
    both my husband and I are quite happy with just one child.

    ...people say "you'd think I was nearing age 40" as if it were
    "one foot in the grave, and the other on a banana peel"!
    
    
    (Yes, I know you didn't mean it that way, but some people seem to!)
    
    On the other hand, I still catch myself saying "My God! S/he must
    be 40 if s/he's a minute!!"  Humph.
    
    

    RE: 28
    
    I only meant to use the age 40 as a deadline for having children!
    You are only as old as you want to be!  And me I plan on being young
    forever:-)  No offense intended to anyone!
    
    Suzanne

    Is there something wrong with using the handicapped stalls in
    restrooms?  If a handicapped person is not around, and I'm not
    planning to spend more than a minute in there.  I thought the
    idea was to make the facilities accessible, not to give exclusive
    use.  I can see if someone had great difficulty standing and
    walking, and came in and then had to wait, but these stalls are
    sized for people using wheelchairs.  I assume the management
    cleans this stall and keeps it functioning as well as the rest of
    the place so that by using it, I am not ruining it for anyone else.
    	Linda                                                         

    RE: .31
    
    I use the handicapped stalls. I figure the idea is to give the
    wheelchair-bound person a stall that's large enough, not to
    prevent their standing...or sitting...in line.
    
    

    	...When people say someone got off "Scott free."
    
    	Scott (Of course)

    That's spozed to be "scot-free", Scott; allegedly coming from
    Chaucerian english for "tax-free".
    
    						=maggie 

    	RE; 336.34
    
    	Now, Maggie, u no im knot vury wel ijucated, sew y du
    	u hav too kurekt mi in publick 8-)>
    
    
    	Thanks, I really did want to know.
    
    	Scott

    Ditto .21 - And I've noticed it tends to be the same few people
    who ask "So how is married life treating you" several times a week.
    Even though we had lived together for 2 years before getting married,
    and they get upset when I answer "So well we're getting divorced!"
    
    I handle the "So, when are you going to have a baby?" with "Never."
    I don't get this one asked very much.
    
    Elizabeth
    

    
    ...settling in for the 6.5 hour flight from Boston to
    El Lay when someone dashes in just before push-off with
    a gurgling little screamer, headed for the next seat...

    ...anybody lies to me for any reason.
    
    ...I fall apart under stress.
    
    ...I say the wrong thing at the wrong time.
    
    ...any major aplliance breaks down during Christmastide.
    
                             -sunny-

    
    ...my boyfriend of five months whom I have been in love with for
    almost wo years breaks up with me
    
    ...a key sticks on my piano
    
    ...the batteries in my walkman die while I'm trying to record
    
    ...There are NO MESSAGES on my answering machine all day
    
    ...I have to interrupt my note writing to go to a meeting!
    
    Roberta
    

        ...someone just "passing through" a conference writes a note
        without having read 1.* or "registered".
        
        (Re .37 - so when are you going to have any children? :-))
        
Jim Stratton (married to Roberta - see 2.14, and just "passing
        through" this conference)
        

    
    re -.1
    
    The lady sitting next to me gushed and said "oh, ask her if
    I can hold it". So I did. After a few minutes she passed it
    to me. I held said babboo for about 2 hours, during which 
    time I taught him my complete repetoire of ribald humor...

re:  .40

	never if he's smart!!!

I hate it when....

	�  Mom tries to force me into going to church every time i visit...
	   then tells me how she's FAILED as a mother because I've made my own
	   decisions about religion and they aren't the same as hers...

	�  The people you get REALLY attached to always live at least 2000 miles
	   away with little hope of ever being closer...  8^(

	�  I don't have the guts to be mean to someone when I've told them
	   over and over again that there is no possibility for anything more
	   than just friendship...and they still follow me around like a puppy
	   WAITING for me to change my mind...

	�  People think the worst of me even though they've never had
	   justification to.....(how come I always get blamed...)

	kath

I hate it when...

	someone grabs my 9 month old son's pacifier out of his mouth without 
		his permission

	someone gets drunk and decides to squeeze or pinch him

	someone holds the feet down on his too-long pajamas as he goes crawling
		by, so that he is crawling and not going anywhere.

	someone offers to feed him a Cheerio, then eats it themselves as he
		sits there with his little mouth open.

I HATE these things because we are trying to bring him up to be a trusting,
loving, unselfish individual.  We believe that when you take something that 
belongs to him, that he is learning to hold on to it rather than to offer it
as he usually does if you just ASK him for it.

It breaks my heart when he actually starts crying because of these insensitive
people, when he hardly EVER cries.  It makes me mad because I am still 
getting up the courage to tell people to STOP that, and THEY think it is
harmless.
                Carol

    <- Yuck!  Where do you find those "people"?  I'd never let them
    near my kid again...
    
    On a similar vein, people who play with babies and forget that they
    are alive and play with them like it is some neat toy or something.
    
    Imagine someone holding a baby tucked in between their arms so the head
    is by the elbows and the person's hands are holding the baby's feet.
    
    Then picture this person moving their arms so they become perpendicular
    to their body!  Picture baby falling through arms and hitting head
    on ground...

    I hate it when people REPLY to correct a type in their last REPLY,
    rather than DELETEing the REPLY and reentering a corrected version.
    
    /bruce

    re: < Note 336.46 by HYDRA::LARU "Surfin' the Zuvuya" >



    ooops... that should be "typo," not "type."
    
    /bruce

    	RE: 336.46 & 336.47
    
    	Good job, Bruce! 8-)>
    
    	I hate it when my oldest daughter's friends call her
    	at 10 PM and want to talk (no way, I say).
    
    	I hate it when my youngest daughter's friend calls her
    	10 times (at least) in one day.
    
    	Is there a cycle here, or am I losing it? 8-)>
    
    	Scott

    RE: .31 and .32
    
    But a disabled person can't always tell "when" in sufficient time
    to get to the facilities AND wait in line.  At times, the trip to
    "The Stalls" (as my friend puts it) is after-the-fact to perform
    a "Cleanup Ceremony" (again, his words) before the rest of the world
    finds out that you've lost control.
    
    My friend (who just happens to be a brother-in-law too!) suffered
    immense embarassment at a football stadium becasue others in line
    before him refused to let him take his turn out of order.  Not only
    was he embarassed, but he was cold and uncomfortable.  
    
    Some disabled persons are lucky enough to "kind of" tell "when"
    they need to do their thing, but that doesn't mean they have time
    to stand or sit around and wait because knowing "when" and actually
    CONTROLLING "when" are very different... 

    
    I have to send 1 message to a system mgr type explaining the problem
    I'm experiencing and then a 2nd message to *repeat* the details of
    the problem after being told that I shouldn't be having a problem
    with the problem I'm still having.
    
    am
    

    ... the only thing I have to do on New Years Eve is to watch my girls
    getting ready to have a semi party at my house with some friends....
    sigh....

    ....people are insensitive to your feelings at certain times (i.e.
    they don't put the shoe on the other foot, so to speak)
    
    .....people crack gum
    
    .....I think it's Saturday and it's really Wednesday!
    
    P.
    

    ......someone takes advantage of me.
    
    ......the malls get crowded and I have to shop with rude people.
    
    ......parents are abusive to their children, especially in public
    
    ......I get stuck in traffic.
    
    ......people go into unnecessary detail when relating a story. Just
          get to the facts!!
    
    ......My checkbook doesn't balance
    
    ......My hair is on its last leg of a perm, and it's impossible
          to work with!
    
    ......I have to pretend to be nice to someone whose been unkind
    

	Female sports casters talking (or trying to) about
	football.  Football is a man's game!!  There was one
	yesterday trying to discuss football with a real football
	man, Don Shula. Argggghhhhh.

    ....I am suddenly reminded of the attitudes that help maintain
    sexism. 
    
    ....I wonder how I managed to forget, how ever briefly.
    

    
    when every male comfort zone is denounced as sexist, yet women's
    exclusive zones are upheld as ok...
    
    self righteousness in expecting perfect fairness everywhere...
    
    having anything to do with East Coast DEC ... !

    
    ...When I get a phone message that only has a first name on it and
    no phone number, and they expect a return call. I know and interact
    with several Jim's, Bob's, Chris's Karen's and whomever's. My job
    requires that I talk to about 35 to 40 people a day, there are many
    name repeats.
    
    ...When able bodied people park in handicap parking places because
    of shear laziness. If I see it happening I usually make a loud
    statement that they shouldn't be parking there, and nine time out
    of ten they move after giving me dirty looks.

    
    ...When I can't find a space in a parking lot and there are 5 or
    6 empty handicapped parking spaces, but I won't take one for fear
    of someone yelling at me.
    
    Roberta

    re .58
    
    Smile at the idea that you don't *have* to park in on of those reserved
    spaces. 
    
    Gail

    
    True. Very true.
    
    Roberta
    

....it takes me 2 days to read all of these replies because I keep getting "Path
to network lost...." just when I'm getting into it....(happened twice in as many
days)

....people say how are you and walk by too fast for an answer.  I would rather
they didn't ask.  I usually just say "Hi" in return as that is what they are
really saying.

....people bring their kids into a card store and let their kids pull all the
cards out and mess them up!  (can you tell I moonlight at a card shop?)  I had
one mother yell at her kids for making a mess.  She proceded to grab all of the
cards out of their hands and stuff them all into one pocket.  (where they didn't
belong)  I was standing right next to her straightening the mess others had
left.

....people break something in the store and don't tell you.  They would rather
leave glass on the floor for someone (usually a child) to hurt themselves on
than to take the chance that they may have to pay for the item.  Our store
doesn't have a "you break it, you buy it" policy so this is maddening.

....people cut out in front of you in bad weather.

I could go on forever...but if I did, I would become someone else's "I hate it
when...." example :)

�n

    - when I run into something great - like Notes - but can't seem
    to figure it out right away and don't know all the functions/options
    immediately -
    
    I know...patience
    
    I must be making progress - I made my first reply.
    
    TJ
    

    
    ...I leave my office to do something, get to my destination and find
    that I have forgotten my reason for going there.

    Actually, on the front cover, all it says is "RAM".
    
    But _I_ knew the difference!
    
    (Great album, fun to listen to! I especially love the song about
    long haired girls!)
    
    K.C.

    
        Geez Mike - I'd hate to see your reaction if the world ended
        tomorrow ... judging from the way u reacted to a mistake on
        a radio station I don't think I'd wanna be around!!
    
        8^)
    
                                                       Shawn L.
    

    ... I keep going back to the grocery store, looking for a favorite
    item, assuming they're just temporarily out of stock, and then when
    I finally get frustrated enough to ask the manager, I am told "Oh,
    we moved that to the so-and-so section!  Unfortunately, we're
    out of stock right now, we'll have more on Wednesday!"  Grrrrr!
    
    				Steve

    I hate it when I come to a note that still being written.  But this
    one I like:  The title is "I hate it when..." and the personal name
    is "Someday never comes".
    
    							Ann B.

    Mike,
    
    Why not order a pot of tea and a glass with ice cubes and make
    your own?
    
    Bonnie

    ...I order iced tea and it automatically comes with lemon.  When
    asking if I can have it without lemon, I get wierd looks.  The only
    place I can get iced tea MY way (aside of making it myself), is
    in South Carolina.
    
    ...I order food plain and I am asked "Are you sure you don't want
    any (fill in condiment of choice) on your (fill in food of choice)?"
    I usually say, quite clearly, that I want it plain.  If I wasn't
    sure, would I have ordered it that way?  (for instance; I NEVER
    order sauce with my chicken nuggets!)
    
    K.C.

    re: 336.71
    
    So you are a food eating purest too.  Boy do I get weird looks when
    I order hamburgers or whatever plain.  I like my chocolate plain
    too.  I like to taste what I eat, without disguising the real thing.
    Actually, if you have to doctor it up, why eat it???
    
    Louise

    re: .71,.72
    
         Chalk another on up for San Jose, no only do we have curbside
    recycling, I'm often asked if I'd like lemon with my iced tea when
    I order it.
    
         Count me as a purist too, I like simple combinations of things
    without a lot of extranious flavors to ruin the balance.  I like
    my pizza with Sausage, mushrooms and fresh garlic.
    
    I hate it when ...
    
    pizza is ordered for the group, and its invariably all combination
    pizza.
    
    I go out to pizza with the rest of the group and specifically half
    a pizza the way I like it and *everyone* wants a piece of my pizza
    even they ordered everything on the pizza they wanted.
    
    ASP

    I know what you mean:  I like my pizza with only extra cheese. 
    Everyone else I know like the whole works on theirs.
    
    When I left the group that I used to be with, they ordered 5 "the
    works", and 1 x-tra cheese, just for me!
    
    K.C.

    	...someone put fruit in the Jello. Yes, I like it
    	plain, or not at all. Same goes for chocolate chip
    	cookies. Monday (President's Day), my daughters and
    	a friend baked a zillion chocolate chip cookies with
    	nuts in them. I ate more than I should have (of course),
    	but I still prefer them w/o nuts.
    
    	Scott

    ....I'm driving along [no cars behind me] and some person has to
    pull out in front of me and to make matters worse, they drive 35
    in a 55 zone!  What's the big deal?  I guess they couldn't have
    waited for those five extra seconds!!!                    
                                          
    ....I count the 50 traffic lights on the way to work....I know -
    it could be worse...could be 51!!!    
    
    ....people slurp their soup or beverages!  
    
    ....I'm in a BAD mood (of course, this is a rare occurence :-] ).
    

    re .68
    ice tea?
    
    Try ordering ice coffee outside of New England, you'll get some
    real blank stares!

    - Bonnie, hot tea over ice just doesn't work you get diluted, luke
    warm tea. At least that's what happens when they insist on doing
    that to make ice cofee (yuk)
    
    Gail

>>   ... or not finding out _WHO_ that blue-eyed blonde from Colorado _WAS_ ...

		You realize, of course, there are only a few blue-eyed
		blondes from Colorado! 8^)  


	 RE: Mike

		Let's you and I get together and start a bagel bakery
	 here in Colo Spgs!  I think I'm going into bagel
	 withdrawal...and I WON'T stoop so low as to go to Safeway to
	 get them!!!  (In Tucson, there was a bagel bakery on every
	 corner!!!)

	 kath

    re: iced tea....
    
    If you normally like your pot of hot tea made with a measure of tea
    leaves steeped for a measure of time, double both and you'll enjoy
    your iced tea undiluted.
    
    So, if you would order a pot of hot tea and steep a single bag
    for five minutes, order a pot of hot tea, ask for an extra tea bag,
    and steep for ten minutes.
    
    Then pour over ice and enjoy.  Add sugar and lemon to taste if you
    please.
    
    You may wish to ask for lots of ice as well.  The little "cubes"
    or "tubes" so common in resturaunts just don't cut it, and crushed
    ice should be banished from the face of the earth.  That's what
    teeth are for.  [insert silly smiley face]
    
    								-mr. bill

    Thanks mr bill...I was beginning to wonder how people made
    ice tea these days. When I was a kid in Virginia my mom would
    brew a pot of tea, let it stand longer than usual - both to
    cool it and to strenghten the brew - and then pour it over ice
    in glasses.
    
    How do people make iced tea these days...with those powdered mixes?
    
    Bonnie

    The BEST Iced tea that I have ever had was made by my husband. 
    His mother taught him this recipe for Sun Tea.
    
    Take a gallon jar, put in (undisclosed amount) of sugar and tea
    bags, pour in water (any temp), and let it sit out in the sun on
    any nice summer day, all day.  Add ice, and refrigerate.
    
    Granted, it takes a while, and it is harder to make in the winter,
    but it is, without doubt, THE best iced tea.
    
    BTW, those powdered mixes make me ill.  They are disgusting!  I
    guess I am just spoiled.  ;^)
    
    K.C.

    I make Sun Tea also.  If you like lemon in your tea try
    3 or 4 regular tea bags and 1 or 2 bags of Lemon Zinger
    tea per gallon.
    
    Nanci

    	...when people get off the subject and discuss
    	something other than the topic of the base note.
    
    	Let's move this "tea" discussion somewhere else;
    	how about the Boston Harbor?
    
    	Scott (No, I'm not overly grumpy today)

    OK, Scott.
    
    I hate...
    
    ...lemon in my iced tea.
    ...lemon in ANY tea.
    ...powdered iced tea mixes.
    ...tea with cream (Milk is the way!).
    ...not being able to find my fave brand of tea (Luzianne) anywhere
       near where I live (I have to have it shipped up from South
       Carolina).
    ...grumpy noters.
    
                        ;^)  ;^)
    
    K.C.

    re:.86
    
    Not to take away from your hatred, but going off on tangents
    is part of the Notes Tradition. :-)
    
    --- jerry

    re .88 I hate it when people invoke 'Tradition'  :-)

    
    Trade show duty, not getting to sit down for 4 or 5 hours, have
    ringers ask trick questions, when what I really want to do is
    go track down the exhibitor handing out hackey sacks...

    	... someone decides it's time for all of us to move again.
    	Not to another building, just across the hall or to the
    	office on the other side of the building. I've worked here
    	~5 years and have moved at least as many times. The rationale
    	goes: You need to be with the developers (I'm a writer). Next
    	time: all the writers should be together. Make up your minds,
    	for goodness sake.
    
    	During one big move (almost everybody in the building moved),
    	a developer was told to move to the office across the hall,
    	a distance of about 4 or 4 1/2 feet.
    
    	Scott

    	...we're always "one move behind" (meaning that while we are
    	getting ready for one move, we're already planning where we
    	will move next after the current move "expires.")
    
    	(One good thing, though, is that my SO and I both keep having
    	our cubicles moved closer and closer together, and closer and
    	closer to the door.  We figure that either we will eventually
    	be in the same cubicle, or our cubicles are slowly being moved
    	out to the parking lot as some kind of gentle hint.)  :-)

    ....Temporarily disenchanted with the National Airline Pilots
    Association.  They held me and 235 other people hostage under the
    ruse of strictly adhering to safety standards for 4 hours last Monday
    and I expect similar treatment when I return.
    
    Bob

    I hate it when people assume my husband will do any maintenance work
    or building around the house.  As it happens, I'm the one who does 
    80% or more of the furniture building or assembly, painting, 
    wallpapering, etc.
    
    The latest incidence happened last night.  I got a call from a real
    estate agent who was helping us last summer when we were considering
    building a new house.  I told her we'd decided to stay in our current
    house, but might want to put up an addition.  She said to let her 
    know if they could help build the house, "unless your husband does
    that sort of thing".  Grrrrr!!!
    
    Karen.

    the temperature in So. Florida goes down to the 30's...
    
    
    
    
    like this morning.
    
    
    Tammie

    I hate it when...
    
    ... I have to leave an assignment that I really like, leave DEC
    altogether because my year as a TAG is up, and leave NOTES.
    
    
    'Bye again!                                    
    
    K.C.

    	RE;  .96
    
    	> I hate it when... the temperature in So. Florida goes down
    	> to the 30's...like this morning.
    
    	You're going to hate this even more ...  It's in the 70's today
    	here in Colorado (and it feels like summer.)  I had to use the
    	air conditioning in my car.  
    
    	It was like this yesterday, too.  And the day before.
    
    	(Ok, I'll stop.  I wouldn't want you folks back east to get
    	TOO upset.)  :-)  :-)

    
    	P.S.  I should add that these summer-like spells we get in the
    	Spring in Colorado are a sure sign that we'll get some kind
    	of blizzard soon.  (Oh well!)  :-)
    

    re .96: Celsius?

    I hate it when people tell how warm it is when it is cold here....
    
    Steve who hates the cold and the snow........

    ...when I come home from work in a good mood (it doesn't happen
    that often), and He's in a bad mood, giving the dog and me the silent
    treatment.  Ruined my whole evening!
    
    K.

    re .102: NOPE ...
    
    

    ...people divert from the base note and discuss things like ice
    tea...
    
    -sandy
    

    I recently purchased a book of two essays by Ren� Descartes, "Discourse
    on Method" and "Meditations".  I had to choose between two different
    paperback editions that were available at the local bookstore:  one by
    Prometheus Books, the other by Penguin.  The Prometheus edition had an
    attractive blue cover, with a glossy surface that was pleasant to touch;
    the Penguin Classics edition, on the other hand, had the sort of boring
    yellow and black cover characteristic of books by that publisher.  Being
    a complete sucker for packaging, I naturally bought the Prometheus
    edition. 

    Upon reading the book, I came across sentences like the following:

        I would here willingly have proceeded to exhibit the whole chain of
	truths which I deduced from these primary; but as with a view to
	this it would have been necessary now to treat of many questions in
	dispute among the learned, with whom I do not wish to be embroiled,
	I believe that it will be better for me to refrain from this
	exposition, and only mention in general what the truths are, that
	the more judicious may be able to determine whether a more special
	account of them would conduce to the public advantage.

    It didn't take me long to suspect that this particular translation was
    probably not composed at any time in the twentieth century.  I was
    confirmed in my suspicion when I came across the word "divers" in
    Discourse 4.  As far as I am concerned, any translation that has the
    word "divers", not to mention "aught" and "whilst" (also found in this
    translation), is incomprehensibly archaic and should be shot
    immediately.  Where the Prometheus edition says things like "I would
    here willingly have proceeded to exhibit the whole chain of truths which
    I deduced from these primary", the Penguin edition says "I should be
    very pleased to continue, and to show here the complete chain of the
    other truths that I deduced from these first ones".  There was no
    question that I had wasted my money on the Prometheus edition.

    In addition, just to make things worse, tragedy struck shortly after I
    bought the book.  One evening I had brought it with me to the health
    club, and had tried reading it while working out on the StairMaster;
    unfortunately, the act of reading while being in constant motion was
    making me nauseous, so I placed it on the floor next to me.  Shortly
    thereafter, someone who was walking past my machine stepped on it, and
    then turned around and stepped on it again, thus putting a crease in my
    cherished glossy book cover.  As you might imagine, I was furious, and
    despite that fact that I am a pacifist I might have resorted to violence
    if it weren't for the fact that this guy had triceps that were the same
    circumference as my neck. 

    I realized that now that the book had a crease in its cover, it would
    be impossible for me to enjoy reading it anymore.  That, along with the
    virtual incomprehensibility of the translation, spurred me to return to
    the bookstore and buy the Penguin edition, which was only selling for
    $3.95 anyway.  So, even though the cover is unattractive and has a
    rather dull finish, at least it doesn't have a crease in it, and also I
    am now better able to comprehend its text.  Thus I have learned an
    important lesson from this incident:  you cannot judge a book by its
    cover, and to do otherwise is to put Descartes before the horse. 
    Never, never again. 

    -- Mike

    I can't see the pun coming.
    
    						Ann B.

    re .107

    Well, this doesn't qualify as a hot topic issue, but people might be
    interested in how Ren� Descartes met his untimely end.

    While sitting in a Parisian sidewalk caf�, after finishing his meal, he
    was asked by the waiter if he wanted any coffee.

    He replied "I think not."

    And, of course, immediately vanished.

    Driving in Colorado Springs can actually be rather enjoyable, except for
    those occasions when there are Colorado drivers on the road.  I used to
    think that the problem had to do with the fact that once a Colorado
    driver gets behind the wheel, they assume that they are some sort of
    cowboy as in days of the Wild West. But now I realize that the real
    problem lies with me; being from the Midwest, I have not yet shed my
    provincial driving habits, which include stopping for red lights. 

    Just the other day I was driving east on Austin Bluffs, and seeing that
    the left turn arrow at Union Boulevard had turned yellow while I was
    still some distance from the intersection, I, like the hick Midwesterner
    I am, came to a stop at the intersection.  I immediately noticed two
    things.  First, the car in the other left turn lane went right through
    the red light; and second, the car behind me, having no doubt noticed my
    Colorado license plate, had assumed I wasn't going to stop, and he
    nearly rear-ended me. 

    I looked in my rear-view mirror and saw the driver acting visibly upset,
    speaking to the front seat passenger and pointing to my car.  I
    immediately felt immense pangs of guilt, realizing how I had nearly
    caused an accident by obeying a traffic law.  I therefore gestured an
    apology to him, which involved holding up my hand with the middle finger
    extended.  Seeing my apology did not seem to mollify him, for some
    reason. 

    I have had to apologize in this manner to other drivers on other
    occasions as well.  One early Sunday morning I was on the entrance ramp
    of an interstate highway, which was completely deserted except for one
    car which happened to be in the lane right alongside me.  Despite the
    fact that his car was the only one on the highway for miles in either
    direction, he did not bother to move over to let me onto the highway,
    so I apologized to him with my middle finger for my rudeness at
    attempting to merge onto the highway in his vicinity.  Seeing my
    apology, he graciously apologized back. 

    I do have one driving skill, however, that I have no need to apologize
    for.  I am, of course, referring to my ability to play "air guitar"
    while steering with my knees.  They don't teach you how to do that in
    high school driver's education; instead, they teach you useless things
    like how to parallel park, which you manage to remember how to do only
    long enough to pass the driver's test, after which time you immediately
    lose the skill for the rest of your natural life.  This illustrates the
    fundamental lack of practical training in our nation's educational
    system. 
    
    And if they had only taught me in driver's education that if you leave
    a plastic cassette tape box in the rear window of your car for several
    months it ends up being mutated by the sun into a grotesque, kafkaesque
    Thing From Hell, I wouldn't now be preparing to shell out nearly 10
    bucks for a replacement copy of "Skylarking" by XTC.  And what's worse,
    going to the record store will entail getting into my car and
    *driving*, on Colorado city streets.  I hope I won't have to apologize
    to too many Colorado drivers this time.

    -- Mike

    My recollection from a couple of winter visits and from what folks
    working there said, the real deadly example of Colorado drivers
    is when they get a nice snow pack on Academy.  
    
    Does the bumper sticker "I survived the Academy 500" ring any bells..."
    
    Does this mean they automatically include gun racks with new 320i's??

    Re. -.110 and -.111:
    
    (The following is accompanied by many smiley-faces and winking faces,
    not intended as an insult to the authors of the above referenced
    notes, but heartfelt nevertheless.)
    
    What???  I can't believe what I'm reading!  Colorado drivers are
    bad drivers????  You've obviously _never_ driven in Massachusetts!!!
    
    I'm a Colorado native (as opposed to the majority of people driving
    in Colorado these days), and I can assure you that WE were taught
    to drive safely and COURTEOUSLY, obeying the rules of the road,
    and that included UNWRITTEN rules like allowing a car's length between
    you and the vehicle in front of you for every 10 mph of speed. 
    
    It wasn't until I moved to Massachusetts almost 20 years ago that
    I learned WHY we were taught to drive defensively, too.  But there
    are already plenty of notes about idiotic Massachusetts drivers
    (i.e., people driving around with Massachusetts plates on their
    cars, as opposed to people driving in Massachusetts).
    
    The next time you're assaulted verbally, physically, or by
    sign-language by a driver in Colorado, ask him/her where s/he learned
    to drive.  I'll bet you dinner at the nearest Taco Bell s/he is
    a transplant (probably from the East - ;-)), not a native Coloradan.
    
    Karen
    
    PS -- anyone know where I can get a bumper sticker that says, "I'm
    a Colorado Native"?  If I put it on my rear bumper, maybe these
    Massachusetts drivers will understand that I'm leaving reaction
    room between me and the car in front, not an open invitation for
    three other cars to cut in.
            

 re: Karen

 I know what you mean. Mass drivers have infiltrated NH to the point where
having NH plates is no longer a guarantee that you have the slightest sense
of courtesy. To our profound displeasure. :-(

 The Doctah

    
    
    	I am a native Mass. resident who just recently moved to
    	NH..(and loving it!)
    
    	One day I was on Rte 110 in Littleton (I still work in MA)
    	and there was a car in front of me and a student driver
    	in front of him.  The car in front of me *IN A NO PASSING
    	ZONE* passes the student driver.  Poor kid....probably 
    	scared to death...... 
    
    	Idiots like that shouldn't be allowed on the road.  I admit
    	I sometimes get a little irritated when behind a student 
    	driver but then I remember when *I* had to do that....
    
    	JJ
    

    
    ....drivers who don't indicate - *especially* on a roundabout. 
        When one tried to run me down at a video store,
    	(rather than be my usual sarcastic self) I suggested his indicators
    	were not working.  He, thanked me, raced in, got his video then
    	checked both back and front to make sure (^;  Sheesh, next time,
    	I'll take the same leaf as Mike Z does, although I'm much more
	vocal.                                   
                                                 
    ....Supermarkets where people either push their trolley up the centre
    	or (for OZ) the right side of the isle and you can't pass them
    	without holding up everybody behind you.  And shopping in general.
                                         
    ....The Australian Pilots at the moment!!
                                         
    ....Black jelly beans                
                                         
    ....Anybody who doesn't have a sense of humour (^;         
                                         
    ....dale
    

...when I get "junk email" with a reprint of an article about how 11
Chinese factory managers were executed for producing low quality
products ("crimes against the state")...

with the subject lines "quality is job #1" and others along the
lines of "Better work hard or else (heh heh)."

Can you say "tacky"?  1) to make light of executions by the Chinese
government, and 2) imply, even jokingly, that American workers would
find this motivating.

Think I'm gonna be sick...

D!

    Thanks, D!, I couldn't have said it better.
    
    Don't know if I was more horrified by the executions or the jokes made
    about them.  Especially when they were made within the "Quality"
    organization to which I belong.
    
    Nancy 

    Not to mention the Chinese-Americans in our group, who have been
    following events in China closely and with some pain, and who were ALSO
    forwarded the article.
    
    Ray

I think most of the apparently insensitive lines were reflecting a 
reaction usually called 'gallows humor'.

The human psyche will use humor, often inappropriate, to defend itself
from things that are too terrible to take straight.  This can be either 
an initial defense -- "I can't believe this is true!" -- or a later 
reaction -- "If I can laugh at it, maybe it won't be so bad; maybe I won't
die too."

--bonnie

>I think most of the apparently insensitive lines were reflecting a 
>reaction usually called 'gallows humor'.

I am certainly aware of gallows humor, and can even appreciate it's 
importance in dealing with hard-to-deal-with realities.

But I don't think it is appropriate forward such gallows humor to
one's employees (I was forwarded this by my manager) in a (albeit joking)
attempt to motivate us to produce "quality".

It is one thing to laugh as a way of dealing with a difficult situation 
when one becomes aware of such a situation.  It is another thing entirely
to *pass on* that information in a joking manner to other people, 
particularly your employees.

D!

I agree if I got it from a a manager I would have interpreted an attempt
at humor in an entirely different way . . . 

--bonnie

    Truth be told...I didn't even think it was a serious article when I
    glanced at it and then deleted it.  I didn't really read it though.  I
    thought it was ill-aimed humor.
    
    -Jody
    

Hmm, I *sent* it to my manager.  Got a pay raise the next day.  I'm sure
there's a connection somewhere.

The story reminded me of an anecdote told of the symphony conductor
Toscanini.

He was conducting one of the grandest of the grand operas, when the soprano
hit a note distressingly flat and the on-stage horse deposited a souvenier
on the stage.

"It was a most unfortunate incident, but God, what a critic."

Martin.

    Yes, Martin, worker-bee to manager messages *are* different from
    manager to worker-bee ones, aren't they?
    
    I suppose a manager could send it around, if h%% contribution were
    an encouraging note about how quality control can save lives, or
    how the people who receive this mail are all that stand between
    Digital's engineers and ravening hoards of angry customers, or how
    the claim "you don't miss what you never had" doesn't apply to
    quality....  (All very heavy-handed attempts at humor, of course;
    the situation is too chilling.)
    
    							Ann B.

    I hate it when
    
    I set three pieces of chicken on the stove to stew and the burner
    doesn't turn on..
    
    15 minutes later my son calls me from noting to tell me that the
    cats have raided the pan and are eating the chicken..
    
    arrgghhh!
    
    Bonnie��

    
    re:.125
    yet another reason to not have cats.
    

    Re:125 Bonnie, its the dogs fault... shoot the dog..
    
                     REK

    REK
    actually it was the dog's barking that alerted my son...:-)
    
    and enabled me to save one of the chicken pieces.
    
    actuall the problem is the manufacturers of my stove which
    has had problems ever since we bought it..
    
    and hi Joe, sorry you have such an irrational prejudice :-}
    
    Bonnie
    
    p.s. speaking as a mod and somewhat shamefacedly...my appologies
    for chit-chatting in this note..
    
    can we put it back to 'hot buttons' and take talk of cats and dogs
    and chicken pieces to mail and or another note?
    
    thanks

    I hate it (and I mean really hate it) when people who own high priced
    cars think they are above the laws of the highway and common sense. 
    I'll spare everybody the details
    
    Dondi
    

    I hate it when people say anything negative about cats (the most
    wonderful specious on earth).  This is not chit-chat, Bonnie, I
    really *hate* it.
    
    Lorna
    

    re: .130 (Lorna)
    
    [Heaven forgive me for what I'm about to do, for, yea, verily
     'tis Friday and my good judgment hath gone south. . .]
    
    � . . .the most wonderful specious (sic) on earth
    
    Two thoughts, Lorna.  First, I agree they are "specious" critters;
    I never met a truly honest cat, including mine.  Second, for all
    that, I also agree that they're wonderful, espcially when served
    with Hollandaise sauce.
    
    Steve

    mind your tires, Steve.

... I start the day by reading a mail message from someone who wants 
to save all sinners, including gays and lesbians, from this terrible 
life of sin they've chosen and is pleading with Digital not to allow
a gay/lesbian/bisexual support group to form.

Anger does surpass caffeine in its wake-up capabilities.

Carla

    Re .131, I hate it when people are so quick to make fun of other
    noters for misspelling words!  (especially when it's very rare for
    that particular noter to misspell a word!)
   
    Yes, be careful Steve.  Your office is only a short walk from mine.
    
    Lorna
    

My ears/throat/glands are acting up again....

I never had tonsil problems before I was 18, then my freshman year at college I
got tonsillitis twice.

Then nothing until last Nov. when they got infected again, and for the first
time in my life I discovered I had glands.....

Now, three months later the whole left side is whining........

PHOOEY!!!!!

Lisa

    Bonnie,
    
    It's your fault.  You should know better that to think you could
    possibly even consider eating something you had not already served
    the cats on a silver platter :>)  How rude!
    
    -maureen & the herd of burmese 
    

    Ever since Nebula stole a partially-eaten sandwich right off of Paul's
    plate, I never leave unguarded, uncovered food in the kitchen!
    
    One of my friend's cats liked melon almost as much as my friend did.
    Evalyn liked her melon at room temperature, so she would cut a wedge of
    of melon, and put it in a bowl on the kitchen counter while she
    showered and dressed for work.  Sometimes her cat ate it, and sometimes
    the cat didn't find it until too late!
    
    /Charlotte

    Ah yes, the dreaded "slup slup slup" sound :-)

    Well if the burner had worked it would not have been a problem..
    
    I've yet to see mine steal chicken out of a pan of boiling water!
    
    But it is true that we never leave food unguarded...we all even
    appoint 'food watchers' if we have to leave anything for a few minutes
    or pop the what ever in a cupboard or microwave...
    
    One of my cats took a large mushroom that I had bought for stuffing
    once...I never imagined they'd like that.
    
    Bonnie

    .125 > I hate it when . . .
    
    .125 >  . . . my son calls me from noting to tell me . . .
        
    .125 > arrgghhh!
    
    
    Oh.  I thought it was just the interruption you minded.  The cats were
    thoughtfully feeding themselves dinner, so you wouldn't have to
    interrupt The Processing Topic to take care of them . . .

    I **hate** it when there's an unscheduled slip in the delivery
                                 schedule...
    
                                for SPRING!!
                                     :-)

    Bruce,
    
    It was annoying to have to leave notes..
    
    
    more frustrating that I hadn't taken care of stuff properly
    before I went upstairs!
    
    :-)  :-)
    
    
    and besides!
    
    I'd already *FED* the cats.
    
    Bonnie

    Bonnie, do you want any recipes on how to cook dog so the cats will
    like it?
    
             REK
    
    And have a nice day!
    
    And a very big :-}

    nah, REK
    
    I happend to enjoy both dogs and cats (and gerbils and hamsters and
    goats and ponys and rabbits and white rats..)
    
    but I know I'm a bit weird
    
    :-) back
    
    Bonnie

    Yes, Bon, you are the odd one...
    I mean, I have a rather taste for obscure cuisine, but YOu take the
    cake!
    
    :-)

    Al,
    :-)
    
    of the above I've only actually eaten goat and rabbit..
    
    but you knew I meant 'taste' in terms of pets..
    
    sigh

    I did? [know]...
    
    :-)
    
    of course I did......
    
    Sigh sigh....

    Bonnie, I don't think you are weird at all, you sound quite normal
    too me :-).
    
    +pat+

    but +pat+ you have had more critters at your house than we ever did :-)
    
    Bonnie

    But, Bonnie, how many other people have had a pony IN their house!?!
    
    Linda

    Linda,
    
    The pony wasn't so bad, he'd just stay in the kitchen, tho he once
    ate a pot holder.
    
    It was the time that the goats invaded the house that I really
    freaked out!
    
    :-)
    
    Bonnie

    A bunch of us let a cow loose in my high school back in 1968. I went to
    Alvirne High in Hudson, N.H. We had an excellent agriculture program
    and lots of cows.
    
    
                                       Phil

    
    Bonnie,
    
    The only things that we allowed in the house were the chicken, the
    5' rat snake, the iguana, the lambs (while the were being bottle
    fed), the hamsters, the skunks and the ferrets. Every body else
    lived out side. Oh! I for got the cats and dogs. 

    I finally get my own workstation and they make me put it in a $#%#($%)
    hidden area. :*P I HATE hidden areas. liesl

    +pat+
    
    we didn't *allow* the ponys and goats in...they *got* in..
    
    our back door had a latch rather than a knob and they learned
    how to open it..
    
    the day that all 7 goats got in, trashed my pantry ate my
    house plants and went and took a nap on my 2nd son's bed
    was definitely a 'thing to hate' that day...
    
    Bonnie

    re .155
    
    Hee Hee Hee!!!!  I bet the goats are *MUCH* funnier in retrospect than
    they were at the time when you came home and found how they had trashed
    your house....  One of my friends used to raise goats, and they were a
    riot - -but I don't think they ever managed to get inside his house! 
    
    This is the same guy who decided to devote his entire garden to POPCORN
    one year, since his family is very fond of popcorn - the raccoons got
    all but two ears out of the whole (fairly extensive) garden!  Goos
    thing he loves animals!
    
    /Charlotte (who also loves animals!)

    when the outcome of a private party are discussed in a public forum.
    Or did everyone but myself get an invite? ;^)

    A man refers to his wife as "the wife".  This term objectifies the
    woman, putting her in league with other inaminate objects.
    
    (This is not a sarcastic question; I'm curious to find out if others
    have heard it.)  Are men referred to as "the husband" or something
    similarly degrading?  (I've heard "man of the house", "head of
    household", but nothing similar to "the wife".)
    
    Judi
    

    re .158, I also hate hearing a man refer to his wife as "the wife."
     I agree that it sounds as though he puts her in a category with the
    inanimate objects that he owns.
    
    Lorna
    

>   (This is not a sarcastic question; I'm curious to find out if others
>    have heard it.)  Are men referred to as "the husband" or something
 >   similarly degrading?  (I've heard "man of the house", "head of
 >   household", but nothing similar to "the wife".)
  
Well, I have always though "the old lady" was pretty much similar, and I have
heard "the old man" used in a similar vein.  Sometimes they appear affectionate
in a diminutive way (similar to call someone "my baby")...mostly it sounds just
degrading.  I have also heard "the [old] spouse" used by both sexes.  I for one
don't think it is sexism so much as resentment against one's partner, which
appears to be a common theme in *man* people's lives, against both genders.
Husband jokes seem (proportionate to the number of female comedians) as frequent
as wife jokes - I think because comedians recognize that frustration with 
one's spounse/partner/SO are feelings that almost everyone in the audience
can related to.

D!

    My other pet peeve on this topic is perhaps more subtle, but equally as
    objectifying.  When someone speaks to me at length saying, "My husband/
    wife blah blah blah and my husband/wife blah blah blah", I often annoy
    the speaker by interrupting more than once to ask the spouse's name. 
    I'm easily turned off by this habit of speaking about "the spouse" as
    if s/he has no personhood outside his/her relationship to the speaker. 
    Same goes for "my kid".  If the speaker doesn't get it, I just banish
    him/her to that corner of my mind reserved for non-humans.

.161�	I for one don't think it is sexism so much as resentment against
    one's partner, which appears to be a common theme in *man* people's
                                                         ^^^^^
    lives, against both genders.

                                                              
    Freudian slip perchance...       8-)

>================================================================================
>Note 336.157                    I hate it when...                     157 of 163
>XCUSME::KOSKI "This NOTE's for you"                   2 lines   3-APR-1990 14:34
>                               -< What clique? >-
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>    when the outcome of a private party are discussed in a public forum.
>    Or did everyone but myself get an invite? ;^)

    Gail, *if* you are referring (if not, just ignore this note in this
    topic :-))... to the =wn='ers b'day party for Nancy Bittle given last
    Saturday, the list was a growing list... It started out from a list that I
    received from the moderators of this file (see attached document), with
    instructions to please pass on to anyone not on the list EXCEPT Nancy
    :-)...  If your name is not on the list, perhaps you might want to
    contact the moderators, so that you are placed on the list... its kinda
    hard to announce a surprise party for someone in a file they read :-),
    so I had to depend on people forwarding it around...

    behind the form feed is the list that I started with... it did indeed
    grow, as it was forwarded around, because there were people at the party
    that were not on the original list...

    Gale

    
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nm%istg::BRONS::BURROWS     ! JimB
nm%istg::REGENT::BROOMHEAD   ! Ann
NM%istg::LYRIC::BOBBITT     ! Jody    
NM%istg::RUBY::BOYAJIAN    ! Jerry
NM%istg::HPSCAD::BELLETTIERE !Irene 
NM%istg::NAC::BENCE       ! Cathy
NM%istg::SA1794::CHARBONND   ! Dana   
NM%istg::GEMVAX::CICCOLINI   ! Sandy
NM%STAR::CALLAS      ! Jon
NM%VAXRT::CANNOY      !Tamzen   
NM%TLE::D_CARROLL   ! Diana (D!)
NM%istg::NACAD::D_DUNCAN    ! Desyrn
NM%istg::BEING::DUNNE       ! Eileen	
NM%USEM::DONOVAN     ! Kate
NM%istg::CYRUS::DRISKELL    ! Mary ! 
NM%istg::SPICES::DOUGHERTY   ! Mary
nm%istg::WILKIE::EARLY       ! Bob
nm%istg::VINO::EVANS       ! Dawn
NM%istg::SONATA::ERVIN       ! Laura
NM%istg::DEMING::FOSTER      ! Ren
nm%istg::CADSE::FOX         ! Roberta & Rosa
nM%istg::DEMING::GARDNER     ! ...jacqui  
nm%istg::CADSE::GLIDEWELL   ! Meigs
NM%istg::GLINKA::GREENE      ! Penelope
nm%istg::ULTRA::GUGEL       ! Ellen
NM%WAYLAY::GORDON      ! --Doug 	
NM%NUTMEG::GODIN       ! Karen	
NM%istg::spider::goldman       ! Amy
NM%istg::MPGS::HAMBURGER   ! Amos		
NM%istg::FRECKL::HUTCHINS    ! Judi	
NM%istg::AWARD2::HARMON      ! Pat  
NM%istg::TOOK::HEFFERNAN   ! John   
nm%istg::SUPER::HENDRICKS   ! Holly
nm%istg::OPHION::HAYNES      ! Charles
nm%TLE::Insinga     ! Aron and Merle 
NM%istg::HAMSTR::IRLBACHER   ! Marilyn !  
NM%istg::CIVIC::JOHNSTON    ! Ann
NM%istg::FLOWER::JASNIEWSKI  ! Joe Jas
NM%istg::PENUTS::JLAMOTTE    ! Joyce
nm%istg::DSSDEV::JACK        ! Marty 
NM%istg::CLSTR1::JEFFRIES    ! +Pat+
NM%istg::CADSE::KHER        ! Manisha
NM%istg::PAXVAX::KESSLER     ! Amy
NM%istg::RUTLND::KUPTON      ! Ken
nM%istg::WMOIS::M_KOWALEWICZ ! Mike
KLEINBERGER ! Gale
NM%istg::HPSRAD::KIRK	       ! Matt	
NM%istg::CUPCSG::LEACH       ! Ann
NM%istg::CASPRO::LUST	       ! Linda
nM%istg::QUARK::LIONEL      ! Steve  
nm%istg::SALEM::LUPACCHINO  ! Ann Marie
nm%istg::DELNI::P_LEEDBERG  ! Peggy
nm%HYDRA::Laru        ! Bruce
NM%istg::WAHOO::LEVESQUE    ! The Doctah    
nM%istg::HPSRAD::LAM         ! Caroline  ! 
NM%AITG::LTSMITH     ! Leslie
NM%istg::VIDEO::LIEN        ! Michele
nm%istg::SOFBAS::LIVINGSTONE ! Lin
nm%istg::DEMING::Mcgowan     ! Amy
nm%istg::delni::M_MEEHAN    ! Margaret
NM%istg::SCARY::M_DAVIS     ! Marge
nm%ISTG::MEIER       ! Jill and Bill Meier
NM%istg::ROLL::MINER       ! Barbara  
nm%HYDRA::MACLEAN     ! Roseann
NM%istg::CADSE::MACKIN      ! Jim     
NM%istg::DOODLE::MEAGHER     ! Vicki  
NM%istg::VINO::MCARLETON   ! Mike 
nm%istg::STAR::MILLBRANDT  ! Dotsie
NM%istg::SQM::MAURER      !  Helen
NM%istg::THUNDR::MINOW       ! Martin
NM%istg::HANDY::MALLETT     !  Steve 
nm%istg::dpdmai::Mcclelland  ! John
nm%istg::PEPPR::MASON       ! Andrea
NM%istg::FDCV06::POTTLE      ! Lisa
NM%istg::CADSYS::PSMITH      ! Pam
NM%istg::BUSY::NPEASLEE     ! Nancy 
NM%istg::DICKNS::STANLEY     ! Mary 
nm%istg::WEBSTR::RANDALL     ! Bonnie
NM%istg::FDCV03::ROSS        ! Alan 
nm%istg::vlnvax::Rwheeler    ! Robin 
NM%istg::GOSOX::RYAN        ! Mike  
NM%istg::DSSDEV::RUST        ! Beth 
NM%istg::SUPER::REGNELL     ! Melinda 
NM%istg::VISUAL::ROSENBLUH   !  Kathy 
NM%istg::MOSAIC::R_BROWN     ! Robert
nm%istg::DUGGAN::SCHNEIDER   ! Chuck
NM%istg::AIMHI::SCHELBERG   ! Bobbi
NM%istg::ARTFUL::SCOTT       !Mikey
NM%istg::TUT::SMITH       ! Nancy
NM%istg::COBWEB::SWALKER     ! Susan
nm%istg::PNEUMA::SULLIVAN    ! Justine
NM%istg::DZIGN::STHILAIRE   ! Lorna  
NM%istg::CLOSET::TAYLOR      ! Gale
nm%istg::wmois::h_taylor	!Holly
nm%istg::manic::thibault    ! Jenna
NM%40470::THOMPSON    ! Alfred
NM%istg::MEIS::TILLSON     ! Rita 
NM%istg::CADSE::TURAJ       ! Jenny
nm%istg::MOSAIC::TARBET      ! =maggie 
nm%istg::HPSCAD::TWEXLER     ! Tamar
nm%istg::PARITY::TILLSON     ! Rita
NM%istg::BOOKS::WEINER      ! Jerry	
NM%istg::SHARE::WOLGAST     ! Judy
NM%istg::PACKER::WHARTON     ! Karen
NM%istg::AQUA::WALKER      ! Martha
NM%istg::HBO::WALSH     ! Henry
NM%istg::ULTRA::WITTENBERG   ! David 
NM%istg::ULTRA::ZURKO  ! Mez  !  
NM%milkwy::ZARLENGA     ! Mike
nm%jimb			! Jim Bay
nm%abacus::beeler	!Jerry

    in re .163 and .164
    
    Gail Koski....didn't you request that I take your name off that list?
    
    otherwise, since you have attended =wn= parties I can't imagine
    why your were not on my list.
    
    Bonnie

        Re 'the wife' etc.,
        
        When the mood/situation is right, I refer to Sandy as ...
        
                            'She who must be obeyed'
        
        Andy
        

    
    the secretary for our department at slippery rock state college
    (yes, virginia, there is such a place) always referred to 'the
    husband'.
    

    ....people are astonished (or appear to be) that you can actually
    role-play a game even though you are a GIRL.  ;)  (I *can* call
    myself a girl in this notesfile, can't I?  :)
    
    ---kim

    Does anyone have a problem the epressions "the ex", "my ex",
    or "my ex-<whatever>"?
    
    Or is that taboo and out of favor in some circles?  In favor of
    what?
    
    ed

    in re: 336.168 by WFOV11::APODACA "It's a Kodak(tm) moment."
                    -< Guess I got the RPG chromosone. ;) >-
    
    Try adding "older" to female (above 40), and watch the eyebrows go up - 
    kinda fun actually!
    
    Linda - who gets a kick out of blowing up peoples' preconceived ideas...

    I hate it when:
    
    I get involved in a car accident and the other person who got
    compensated by my insurance company for damages and a rental car calls
    me at home, to tell me he wants me to personally reimburse him for
    residual expenses because he doesn't carry collision on his auto, or he
    will take me to small claims court!  Geez!
    
    YIPES...I really need the "flotation tank" now.
    
    -Dotti.
    
    

    ....I'm supposed to pick up a new motorcycle on Saturday, and the
    forecast is for snow. <grump, grump, grumble>
    
    

    I hate it when I make a logical decision instead of a gut-feeling
    decision..............