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| 156.1 | Not entirely | WMOIS::B_REINKE | As true as water, as true as light | Fri Sep 02 1988 22:57 | 28 |
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Neal,
That is only true when the baby/child relies *totally* on breast
feeding and is completely on demand...i.e. the child is carried
next to the mother's breast and nurses anytime that it wishes.
In any society above hunter gatherer that simply does not happen.
Breast feeding would help to space the children but that still
means a pregancy every two years on the average (as I have seen
happen with my neighbor).
Bonnie
p.s. My uncle was one of 27 children, by the way. His father married
twice, one wife had 12 children and the other 15. This was in the
days when condoms were available too!
Also usually half or more of the children died quite young.
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| 156.2 | more on demand feeding | WMOIS::B_REINKE | As true as water, as true as light | Fri Sep 02 1988 22:58 | 33 |
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RE: .277
Bonnie, I hate to sound "primitive" here (as in sounding like
Ryan and I were some sort of throwback to the 'hunter and
gatherer' days,) but Ryan breastfed completely on demand
for the first full year of his life. I took him everywhere
I went (including to parties, movies, restaurants, and
to 8 countries in Europe) before he was a year old, and I
usually carried him in a front-pack or a back-pack (and was
willing to feed him at absolutely any time that he requested.)
He was fed 99% breast milk until 6 months old, at which time
we started including solid food (but his main source of liquid
was still breast milk -- on demand -- until I started college
when he was one year old.) By that time, he was drinking from
a cup (but still primarily breast-fed when I was available,
only decreasing very, very gradually over the following three
years.)
Considering that he is a 6' 2" (180 lb) 17 yr old relative giant
next to me, I'd say he was adequately nourished during the early
times. (Also, his pediatrician approved of our nursing situation.)
Sorry for the tangent, but I just wanted to point out that some
Moms do find themselves able to nurse completely on demand (and
I don't think it is quite as rare as you thought.)
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| 156.3 | more on nursing | WMOIS::B_REINKE | As true as water, as true as light | Fri Sep 02 1988 22:59 | 21 |
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on the tangent...
Suzanne, what we western woman call complete demand feeding comes
close to what hunter gather women do but it isn't quite the same.
In general these women wear clothing such that the child can literally
nurse anytime that it chooses. Further, the child gets no other
food, often until the age of 2 or 3. It is only under these
circumstances that nursing *completely* represses ovulation. Adding
foods other than milk to the child's diet, or having periods of
the day or night when the child does not have constant free access
to the breast will make the ovulation supression less than complete.
Bonnie
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| 156.4 | demand feeding | WMOIS::B_REINKE | As true as water, as true as light | Fri Sep 02 1988 23:00 | 36 |
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RE: .285
The western women that I knew (back when I was nursing and knew
a lot of other nursing mothers) called "complete demand feeding"
the situation where the baby sets her/his own schedule entirely
(and feeds when s/he is hungry and not when the Mom decides
she wants the baby to feed.)
Ryan had 99% access to me 24 hours per day, and quite literally
nursed when he felt like it (whenever that happened to be) with
no prompting whatsoever from me. He fed completely "on demand"
(meaning that he made ALL the decisions when it came to nursing.)
As it happened, you could set your watch by Ryan's stomach (he
put himself on a more rigid schedule than anything I could ever
have dreamed up) and luckily, his nursing schedule gave me a
good 5 hours of sleep at night (and a two hour nap after his
"pre-dawn snack" at 5am.) But it was his decision completely.
I just went about our business (and he stayed very close at
all times) and HE let ME know when it was time for dinner.
It worked out perfectly for me, because dinner was always ready
when he was. :)
The confusion may be arising because you are thinking of what
it takes to suppress ovulation. At no time did I assume that
nursing was doing that for me. (I went back on birth control
when Ryan was 6 weeks old.) However, the kind of nursing
relationship that we had was definitely considered "on demand
nursing" (even if it didn't prevent pregnancy.)
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| 156.5 | yes | WMOIS::B_REINKE | As true as water, as true as light | Fri Sep 02 1988 23:01 | 10 |
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nursing to supress ovulation was what I was talking about.
Bonnie
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| 156.6 | | WMOIS::B_REINKE | As true as water, as true as light | Fri Sep 02 1988 23:03 | 21 |
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In that case, waiting two or three years to introduce solid
food is the main difference between the way 'hunters and
gatherers' did it and the way "on demand" nursing works now.
Perhaps that was enough to suppress ovulation. (As hungry as babies
are by that age, feeding even a two year old with no solid food
as a supplement would have been enough to shorten MY life a great
deal, too, by the way.)
Incidently, during my nursing years, I wore clothes that made
it easy to nurse discreetly in public (although I strongly
discouraged Ryan from attempting self-service away from home when
he was old enough to figure it out for himself.) Once he under-
stood the words, "In a little while...", he was willing to allow
me time to find a more convenient spot.
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| 156.7 | | LEZAH::BOBBITT | invictus maneo | Tue Sep 06 1988 09:56 | 9 |
| I know nothing about ovulation suppression or health of the
long-nursing child, but I have heard one thing in favor of long
nursing....the child is MUCH less likely to develop allergies
(particularly to food, but also to other things) if they are nursed
exclusively for the first 6 months, and continue to nurse a great
deal for the next 6 months with very few new foods introduced.
-Jody
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| 156.8 | and strong bones. | METOO::LEEDBERG | | Tue Sep 06 1988 13:40 | 14 |
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There is also the fact that the longer you nurse (up to a point
of course) the healther that child teeth will be. This does not
mean that they will have perfect teeth just that the teeth and
gums get a much better start.
_peggy
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Mother's milk is the intended food for their
offspring.
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| 156.9 | 7 Kids Later... | SLOVAX::HASLAM | | Tue Sep 06 1988 18:23 | 11 |
| I nursed all of my 7 children for varying lengths of time. With
the third child I began "on demand" nursing, which continued until
she weaned herself about age 2. During that time, I found that
I didn't become pregnant until after my first period which usually
began when my babies were about 17 months old. After that time,
I usually only had one or two periods before I became pregnant again.
Although this varies for each person and is NOT a means of birth
control, I found nursing to be helpful in slowing down the ovulation
process.
Barb
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| 156.10 | Nursing is great...but not as birth control! | CECV01::POND | | Wed Sep 07 1988 08:24 | 7 |
| Nursing, demand or otherwise, is not a *reliable* means of birth
control. So, for those of you who are considering nursing, do it
for the myriad of other good reasons, but *not* to prevent pregnancy.
Nursing doesn't always prevent ovulation.
LZP
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| 156.11 | Breastfeeding | CSC32::JOHNS | In training to be tall and black | Wed Sep 14 1988 13:10 | 22 |
| Well, I don't know about my ovulation (not that I've had to worry about it
lately), but I haven't had a period since May of 1987.
HOWEVER, after nearly a week of being in the hospital on drugs that prevented
nursing, I have recently weaned Evan. He lost all interest in the breast,
and would only take it to kill the time until the bottle might be ready.
Lazy kid; bottles are easier. In addition, he has been so distractable and
"wiggly" in the last couple of months that breastfeeding has been difficult.
It seems that *I* have had to adjust to this far more than he has. He doesn't
even seem to have noticed. I, on the other hand, still think of my breasts
when he is hungry, still tend to dress in button down tops, still worry about
his (future) allergies, etc, etc. And then a couple of days ago I remembered
that I am going to start have periods again!
I also realized a couple of months ago that this has been the first time in
my life that I have liked my breasts. They have always been too big for most
clothes and normal bras, and I started getting comments on them (rude, catcalls,
etc) before I was even in my teens. For the first time, my breasts were
useful. I miss that already.
Carol
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