Conference turris::womannotes-v2

    I think most people would see "DEC personified" as K.O. - not too
    different from your "IBM_man".  Unless you picture Ada Lovelace,
    there just aren't many well-known female figures in this industry.
    
    /Charlotte

    My image of the "Digital" persona would be:
    
    Male, late 30's, shoulder-length hair, earring (left ear), construction
    boots, blue jeans, flannel shirt (rolled up in the summer time),
    sitting at a terminal surrounded by at least 8 different wrappers
    from the vending machine down the hall, in an office crammed with
    thousands of dollars of equipment, all supporting incredible amounts
    of books, papers, documentation, and printouts...    This person
    would have working hours roughly 12 a.m. - 11 p.m.
    
    Why male?  I guess because when I was in school, all the field service
    guys (who were the only contact I had with Digital personnel) were
    all male...  I remember I was *surprised* when I started working here,
    my terminal went to lunch, and the F.S. person that showed up was female...
    
    (small voice)  But I've learned that women can do those things too.
    
    :^)
    Bill

    Re .2, I'd probably agree with you except for the earring and shoulder
    length hair.  I haven't seen that many cool looking people around
    :-).
    
    I do picture a male engineer - sort of nerdy looking and acting,
    with messy hair, jeans, wrinkled shirt - half in, half out of pants,
    sneakers, and a row of pens in his pocket.
    
    Lorna
    

	I see that picture of K.O. in the rowboat with his shirt kinda
	mussed and looking like a real human being. As opposed to IBM
	which I see as all stuffed shirt and everything bad about yuppies.
	liesl

	P.S. I used to be a JCL jock - when I first saw DCL I praised the lord
	for giving me a useable command language. 

    
    Out here its either a man or a woman, in slacks and a 
    polo shirt, freshly scrubbed and clear eyed, in front 
    of a workstation. 
    
    We do not have nerds...

    Re: .1
    
    Well, Ada Byron (she was the Countess of Lovelace) has been dead
    for quite a while, and while she personifies the typical software
    engineer to me (having to deal with the hardware designers changing
    things from under her, etc.), I can't quite see her as a "symbol"
    of a company.
    
    But if you want females, how about Grace Hopper?  She even works
    for us!
    
    To be honest, I can'y picture Digital as any one person.  To me,
    it's more like a committee, all with different images, never agreeing
    on anything.
    
    Then again, the image I get of IBM is "The Godfather".....
    
    				Steve

    re .5, so if I get a polo shirt, some Visine, and a workstation,
    I won't be a nerd anymore? Or do I have to move to Palo Alto?
    Either way, it sounds like a pretty good deal. Except for the polo
    shirt.
    
    Chuck

    I picture the cover of "Fortune" (correct me if I'm wrong) with
    KO in his fishing hat, and a big, kind smile.
    
    I hate the image of a guy with long hair and an earring in any
    situation!  I like my guy with short hair and earring-less.
    
    KO is DEFINITELY the image of Digital.
    
    But for some reason, I also picture a mid 30's woman, with styled
    hair pinned back, a skirt-suit with white blouse (the suit in any
    color) low heels and a briefcase.
    
    K.C.

    
    My image of Digital's persona:
    
        The Tower of Babel, with swarms of people shouting in all
        different tongues, "We have to work those issues. Who'll
        take responsibilty for this action item?" :-)
    
          Alan

    In HUMAN::DIGITAL, another topic of Digital Persona
    being discussed. Some interesting images are being
    conjured up.....take a look there, too.

    For some reason, "IBM" brings to mind *immediately* - a navy blue
    pinstriped, 3-piece suit. Three dimensional, but with no face
    associated. Just the suit, white shirt, tasteful tie, and black
    wing tips.
    
    "DIGITAL" brings to mind this amorphous cloud of blue jeans, chamois
    shirts, 2 and 3 piece suits, and cubicle walls covered with an
    incredible variety of "stuff.
    
    --DE
    

    
    re .7                                    
    
    Make that a case of Jolt Cola...
    
    Also, try to go running around Stanford at lunch, or
    alternately, wind surf and play hoops...

    re -.1 
    
    I have a friend (a job shopper) who worked at IBM-SJ...
    
    The uniform was the same as DEC for research and engineering, 
    and a nerdy white shirt/utterly tasteless polyester tie
    with pocket protector seemed to be the uniform for manufacturing 
    mgrs/sups...
    
    He said that they liked to have lots of meetings...

I always pictured DEC to be kinda like the MASH 4077th. Very capable
and dedicated people, but at the same time not taking things too
seriously.

Jenna

    My image of the Digital persona is rather amorphous, but
    almost certainly female, probably because the second or third
    thing I hear whenever I tell someone I'm working here is
    "I hear Digital's got a real good rep as a company for
    working women." 

    However, if we get to vote :) I'd second Steve's suggestion
    of Grace Hopper.  Wow!  She really impresses me!

    -- Linda

    re: .6
    
    The Godfather?  I'm also a survivor of JCL (years of it) and I could
    have sworn JCL was developed by the Marquis de Sade!
    

    As a survivor of IBM in a prev life (in the field of NYC and
    Poughkeepsie), the white shirt/blue tie/wingtips were not MANDATORY,
    unless you wanted to ever get ahead. This was subtle but true
    non-the-less . At least here at Digital, I feel like there are human
    beings, and not corporate robots.
    
    Eric

    
    ...."in the fields of NYC..."
    
    That has a nice ring. It reminds me of Central Park...