Conference turris::womannotes-v1

    <<Equal pay for comparable jobs...tends to institutionalize the
    idea of "men's jobs" and "women's jobs"...>>
    
    I think that's what unequal pay does...there will never be many
    men as nurses, or grade school teachers or secretaries (etc.) until
    those jobs come with decent salaries.  
                                                                     
    Supply and demand is not all that's involved.  There are not enough
    nurses or trained secretaries or good teachers...yet they continue
    to be grossly underpaid.  Do we have to totally to drive women out 
    of these profession, too, before the supply is poor enough that
    we will start paying them fairly?         
                                                                 
    I agree it's not easy to implement...but it certainly isn't easy
    for some  people to live with the way it is now either.
    
    By the way, I do agree, that we should _at least_ be enforcing equal
    pay for equal work--and we aren't there yet.
    
    -Tracy
    
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                           

    In Oregon (I think), they drew up some parameters to use in
    determining worth.  I only remember a few:
    
    	1.  Degree of education required
    	2.  Degree of responsibility entailed
    	3.  [Monetary?] cost of failure to perform correctly
    
    From this, it was easy for people to agree that the male janitors
    should *not* be making more than the female secretaries, although
    they were.  I'm sure other examples could be provided easily.
    
    							Ann B.

    If you don't like this, watch out for the JEC program (Job Evaluation
    and Classification) that's hitting Digital. It sounds like they're
    evaluating the work that each of us does and re-classifying all of the
    job codes and/or levels. I understand that there will be some salary
    adjustments as well.

    This sounds like Digital is getting into equal pay for comparable work,
    which is surprising, but welcome. Or did I misinterpret the
    presentation that my supervisor gave us?

    					-- hs

    (Ann B: What's a "pantograph"?)

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 �   This sounds like Digital is getting into equal pay for comparable work,
 �   which is surprising, but welcome. Or did I misinterpret the
 �   presentation that my supervisor gave us?

   Yep, that's about they way I understood it. It also appears that they're
trying to create job titles for those of us who don't have real ones.

Jenna - who's glad to be done  with those JEC forms...bleah

    In our cost center, only WC4 are having JEC.  They say *some* WC2s
    (and imply "maybe all") *might* do JEC too.
    
    While I think JEC will help me, I think WC2s need it more.
    
    Lee

    If the JEC is being done separately for WC2 and WC4, has it already
    been decided that all (current) WC2 jobs are necessarily not comparable
    to all (current) WC4 jobs?
    
    -Tracy
    

    WC4 is the only category being affected at present.  If all goes
    well [interpret that howsoever you like ;-}] then WC1..WC3 _may_
    be done over too.  Titles, codes, and salary ranges will all be
    affected, but actual current salaries will not be (tho if you wind
    up higher in your new range, it might be a while til your next 
    salary rise).
    
    Hal's comment about how DEC seems to be doing equal-pay-for-
    comparable-work is pretty close to accurate, but unfortunately not
    spot on:  they're still using the "competitive market" as a fudge
    factor.
    						=maggie

    It's been quite helpful to read about the JEC changes here; our
    group has been unusually distracted, but management has not yet
    gotten around to explaining what will happen to us. At least I now
    know to expect some sort of change.
    
    liz

    re .0  Without ever mentioning it , you make a powerful case for
    the free market 
    
    re .2 One factor needed in that list is an "undesirability" factor
    to compensate people for dirty work conditions. Janitors aren't
    necessarily highly skilled, or in short supply, but they do work
    with a lot of trash, dirt, cleaning chemicals. HMMM, so do house-
    wives. I don't think I'd trade $2-3 an hour for a clean office
    instead of this dirty warehouse, but it would be nice to walk
    out of work not in dire need of a shower sometimes :-)
    
    Dana
    
    PS how do you compare, for example, an outstanding (1 rating)
    janitor with a mediocre secretary ? Too complicated. Let the
    market decide. 

    re .9
    
    "clean office" have you ever had to maintain n LN03's - that is
    not clean - arrange and clean up after group birthday cakes, pot
    luck luncheons, or all day meetings in large conference rooms. 
    Most secretaries don't sit around in clean sterile envrionments
    some even have to freeze in warehouse offices with out adequate
    facilties.
    
    _peggy
    
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    		 |	In a previous life I had a clean job
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