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Conference turris::womannotes-v1

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 1 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V1 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
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Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:873
Total number of notes:22329

422.0. "Nursing Home Recommendations Sought" by DECSIM::LTSMITH (Leslie) Sat Aug 01 1987 17:31

Hi Folks,
   You know when life presents those tough crossroads?  Well, my
   grandparents and I are at one of them now.

   They need to find an intermediate-care facility/nursing home somewhere
   here in Massachusetts and have asked for my help in locating one.  The
   best place would be probably in western Ma.  near the Deerfield/
   Greenfield area where my parents are.

   Any suggestions or recommendations about how to gather information
   would be greatly appreciated.

   I suspect my grandmother asked me for help rather than my parents
   because they want to make their decisions without the pressure they
   expect from my parents (read Mother).  And my grandparents had a big
   hand in raising me, so we're very close.

   So what do they need?  Grampa's 90, and has lost most mobility in his
   knees so is using a wheelchair to avoid the pain.  Otherwise his health
   is fine.  Grama's is 88, and since she had polio as a child wears a leg
   brace.  Due to age her 'good' leg is now getting weaker, so she relies
   on two canes.  Both are mentally sharp, and very independent.  But now
   they need help with all house running duties and cooking.  A community
   home in a small town/city would probably be ideal.

   So, have you been through this?  What worked for you?  Thanks in
   advance for all your help.
						-Leslie




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422.1Congregate housing..MARCIE::JLAMOTTESomewhere Over the RainbowSat Aug 01 1987 21:0724
    My mother is in congregate housing in Concord and it is working out
    very well.  There are six apartments in a converted school.  The
    lower floor houses the Concord Housing Authority and has function
    rooms.  Each floor has a living room which is shared by three
    apartments (living room is not used often though)  Each apartment
    has a kitchen, dining room, tub room and shower room that is shared
    by six or seven tenants.  There is also a washer and dryer on each
    floor.  Each apartment mate has a large room with a half bath. 
    It is very reasonable.   There are activities throughout the week
    which include a reasonable main meal at lunch.
    
    The options your grandparents have though are based on their income.
    Leslie, I know they have some in the western part of the state.
    I will see if I can find the book that I have listing congregate
    housing options in the state.  
    
    There are several privately owned facilities around for the individuals
    that have financial resources.  Those operate like a condo.  But
    your care is guaranteed for one very large sum until you pass on.
    
    Best wishes they are indeed fortunate because they have options
    which can give them some independence and support at the same time.
    
    Joyce
422.2some starting points...ROBETH::AUGUSTINEMon Aug 03 1987 10:0510
    Leslie,
    This one is a toughie, but you must feel honored to be asked...
    The Globe is running a three-part series on "life-care" arrangements.
    The series started yesterday (Sunday) in the Living section, and will 
    run through tomorrow. Another suggestion is to write to both the
    Grey Panthers (there's a branch in Boston, HQ's in Philly) or the
    American Association of Retired Persons for leads / ideas...
    
    Good luck. I hope you find a happy solution.
    liz
422.3mee tooVINO::EVANSMon Aug 03 1987 12:176
    I'm interested in the same information. Also for Western Mass.
    Unfortunately, the situation is much better if you have substantial
    financial resources. (well "unfortunately" for those who *don't*)
    
    Dawn
    
422.4This place is not near here, but was niceCADSYS::RICHARDSONMon Aug 03 1987 14:2640
    Good luck, Leslie!
    
    My father's older brother and his wife (and her sister, who never
    married -- whom my generation all calls "Aunt Nieta") just moved
    to a retirement community.  This isn't going to help you a great
    deal since they live in Oregon, but I was *very* impressed with the
    setup of the place.  It consisted of a bunch of single-story duplex
    houses (my aunt and uncle have one side of their duplex, and Nieta
    lives in the other side; they had a door put in connecting the two
    laundry areas together).  There is a hospital and nursing-home facility
    in the development, as well as a "community center" and restaurant
    (I would call it a sort of coffee shop, really) attached to the
    nursing-home building, and various recreational things such as a
    stocked trout stream and pool (my uncle, who is close to 80, is still
    an avid fisherman).  Housekeeping help and cooking help are available
    for the residents who need help in these areas, and in several places
    in each house there are emergency-call buttons, which are connected
    to the hospital -- in the bathroom, bedroom, kitchen, and maybe
    other places I didn't notice (when I visited it, my aunt and uncle
    hadn't moved in yet, though Nieta had, because they had a lot of
    trouble selling their old house).  The retirement village is run
    by the Mennonites (some kind of conservative-leaning Christian sect,
    I think), but you don't have to be a member to apply (obviously,
    my relatives aren't) -- mostly means things like that the coffee
    shop/restaurant does not serve alcohol and maybe not caffeinated
    beverages.  I was very impressed with the place.  There were lots
    of activities going on when we visited, public transportation to
    several places for those who didn't drive, and most of the homes
    had gorgeous gardens planted in front (Nieta had sweet peas all
    around the duplex); residents who were not up to doing their own
    weeding and planting could hire someone to help.  I guess you would
    actually call this a sort of retirement-condo.  It was especially
    nice that the hospital and nursing care facility was right there,
    since my uncle has several health problems; residents staying there
    are still near their relatives and friends in the community.
    
    I don't know whether this helps or not...but it sure gave me ideas
    about what to look for, should my mother ever want or need to find
    such a place.
       
422.5Globe Article - From Home Care to 'Life Care'DECSIM::LTSMITHLeslieTue Aug 04 1987 00:14161
  Quoted (without permission) from Boston Globe, 'From Home to Life Care' by
  Jean Dietz.  This is the first of a three part series.  (I missed the
  second installment; anyone have it?)

  "When you're pushing 80, it's not easy to make new friends.  But, after
  only a month of living at The Willows in Westborough, Earlene Allen and her
  husband, Edward, a retired engineer, were starting to feel comfortable, and
  knew 34 residents of the new retirement community by name.

  "It's an ideal situation.  Neither of us have anyone close to care for us,"
  said Earlene Allen, a former teacher, interviewed soon after she had pared
  back the contents of their 11-room home in Milford to fit into a three-room
  apartment at The Willows.

  In warm climate sates such as Florida and California, retirement
  communities, offering "life care" in various forms, have been successful
  for years.  But, until quite recently, most middle- and upper-income
  Massachusetts homeowners expected to live in their own homes until they
  died.

  North Hill in Needham Heights, Carleton Willard Village, a complex in
  Bedford, and Loomis House in Holyoke were the first Massachusetts life care
  communities.

  Now, however, as many as 12 more of the private communities - which offer
  independent apartments adjoining nursing home facilities when needed - may
  be on line in the state within a year or so.

  Others, including a $45 million complex in Westwood sponsored by the Mass.
  General Hospital in partnership with the National Medical Engerprises and
  to be developed by Cabot, Cabot & Forbes, are in the planning stage.

  So-called "life-care" communities - such as The Willows, which includes 202
  apartments for independent living, studios that may be converted for
  residents who need more personal care, an adult day health center and a
  140-bed nursing home - are one form the new developments are taking.

  Most offer the older couple or individual a contract for lifeetime housing
  and various health and social services in exchange for a substantial
  entrance fee and monthly payments.  There are endless variations on the
  theme in regard to living accomodations, services and financial
  arrangements.

  "There is a big demand.  Developers are bullish on Massachusetts.  They
  know that North Hill, for example, filled up and had a long waiting list
  without a line of advertising," said Richard Rowland, the state's retiring
  secretary of elder affairs.

  An Easier Move

  Rowland thinks that the life care communities, for those who can afford
  them, offer a good housing option.  Following an illness, for example, he
  thinks the arrangement makes it easier for an elderly person to move back
  to his or her own apartment.  But Rowland also mentions potential risks.
  About 10% of similar developments in other states, according to Rowland,
  have experienced major financial problems.

  Rowland is an active sponsor of pending legislation regulating sale of
  assets in life care or continuing care retirement communities to provide
  protection for residents when contracts for housing units guarantee partial
  or complete coverage of nursing home care.

  In addition, for the first time, private developers have started to open
  "congregate living" facilities and private apartment developments for
  seniors offering varying degrees of services and protection in the
  immediate environment.

  State-funded congregate housing began here in 1978 as an innovative program
  integrating shelter and service needs of the elderly.  In congregate
  housing, residents have at least a private bedroom and may share other
  facilites.  But, according to Tina Gorman of West Suburban Elder Services,
  typical homeowners are ineligible for state-funded housing, which is
  limited in the greater Boston area to individuals with no more than $15,000
  in assests and $15,000 in income.

  Luncheon, Dinner Included

  Developer David Zussman has converted a property on the Jamaicaway - once
  used as a home for unwed mothers by the Salvation Army - to a congregate
  living facility.

  "The Georgian" - a 25 unit private facility - has two apartments with two
  bedrooms and two baths.  But most residents have small units, all of which
  include kitchenette facilities.

  The rental fee includes luncheon and dinner served in an attractive dining
  room.  Communal rooms include a library, living room and laundry.  There is
  weekly housekeeping and flat-linen service, limousine service for shopping,
  a social program and help in arranging medical services.

  Not a nursing home

  Unlike life-care communities, which require a substantial entrance or
  endowment fee, "the Georgian" works on a rental basis.  The rent ishigher
  than would be charged for a comparable apartment, but includes all support
  services.  In case health needs change so the resident needs nursing care,
  the yearly lease can be severed.

  "The Georgian is not a nursing home.  It's a service for elder people who
  want to maintain more independence than is ofter possible when they live on
  their own," Zussman says.

  Lifetime Rights

  Still another retirement community in Massachusetts is found at Webster
  Green, a 75-unit development in Needham built and operated by McNeill &
  Associates of Westwood, a company that has been developing housing for the
  elderly for some 30 years.

  What Webster Green primarily offers is spacious apartments, some communal
  rooms and easy access to shopping and community services because of its
  location.  Most residents have sold their homes to pay the $100,000
  endowment fee which, in addition to monthly payments, gives a resident
  lifetime rights to an apartment.  Dinner service is available two evenings
  a week.

  Should a resident wish to move from Webster Green, 90% of the endowment is
  refunded, a higher percentage if residence is for less than a year.

  Based on the company's experience in operating several thousand units of
  housing for older people, William Roop, a McNeill vice president, says he
  believes that most older people never need nursing home care.

  "There's a certain philosophy, a fine connection between physical and
  emotional weel-being", said Roop. "when people get up in the morning and
  look forward to something to do with friends, they feel better than being
  lonely in a big house."

  Privacy or Company

  Most people who live at Webster Green are retired.  The majority drive
  their own automobiles.  Others take a minibus to a shopping area.

  "People get around here.  Some go south in the winter or to Maine in the
  summer.  People here are friendly, but no one overwhelms you.  There's
  privacy.  There's also company if you want to visit," says Bill Mahoney, a
  retired insurance underwriter, who moved to Webster Green with his wife,
  Edith, after selling a two-family house they had owned in Brighton for
  years.

  Whatever type of retirement community interests seniors, it is improtant
  for potential residents to have their lawyer go over the contract with
  them, says McNeill and Associates' Diane Boyd.  Boyd did the marketing for
  the Webster Green complex.

  "Find out how solvent the backers or developers are.  In some communities
  in other states, people have lost everything," she warns.  Boyd finds that
  most questions are raised by potential purchasers about the age of
  residents than about the financial condition of companies involved in
  development.

  "There are individuals who say that they would never want to live anywhere
  with all those old people," syas Boyd. "Usually, the person who says that
  is about 92."

  Next:  The pros and cons of life care arrangements.