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421.1 | it is correct, if outdated, usage | TWEED::B_REINKE | where the side walk ends | Fri Jul 31 1987 18:16 | 5 |
| Because bachelor means a man who has never married and spinster
means a woman who has never married. The use of the later is
somewhat old fashioned but still correct. This was discussed
in a least one note in the topic titled "Dont Call Me Girl"
(note 148) Bonnie
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421.2 | Just wondering when | SSDEVO::YOUNGER | This statement is false | Fri Jul 31 1987 19:07 | 6 |
| Re .0
Just wondering, what was the date of that marriage?
Elizabeth
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421.3 | I was never a "spinster" | CADSYS::RICHARDSON | | Mon Aug 03 1987 14:06 | 10 |
| It may be correct usage, but the implications of the words "bachelor"
and "spinster" are very different in our culture. I wonder what
my own marriage license says (not even sure where it is, offhand
- safe defposit box, maybe?)?? Is there a non-negative-implication
way to say "unmarried woman" in one word? "maiden"? (I think we
already rejected that one in some other note)
Come to think of it, I suppose mine says "divorcee" - sort of a
legalese way of permanently labelling the records of people who
didn't get it right the first time, I guess )-:.
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421.4 | neutral | ARMORY::CHARBONND | Real boats rock! | Mon Aug 03 1987 15:48 | 1 |
| SNM - single, never married
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421.5 | No bachelor or spinster here | TSG::PHILPOT | | Mon Aug 03 1987 16:37 | 6 |
| My marriage license refers to us as "bride" and "groom" (what could
be more appropriate?) It's a fairly recent one (Oct '86) and it
was issued in CT, so maybe the time and place make a difference.
Lynne
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421.6 | | MONSTR::PHILPOTT | The Colonel - [WRU #338] | Tue Aug 04 1987 11:21 | 11 |
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"The law is a ass!" [Dickens] - in this case I suspect it is a male
ass.
The words used in a legal document such as a marriage licence are defined
in the enabling legislation of the issuing body. This legislation in
most states is probably at least a century old, so are you surprised
that obsolescent wording is still used? (they probably refer to a widow
or widower as a "relict" also)
/. Ian .\
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421.7 | for the commonweal | 3D::CHABOT | May these events not involve Thy servant | Tue Aug 04 1987 21:47 | 8 |
| Three hundred and fifty years ago in Massachusetts, "bachelor" may
not have been such a great thing either: everybody was urged
to marry and procreate. Otherwise they were shirking their duties.
"The City on the Hill" isn't enough--we need to know that our example
withstood the test of time and impressed future generations, and
the only way to do that is to have future generations of our own.
re: .0 Obviously, she spins and he has a degree. :-)
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421.8 | | MONSTR::PHILPOTT | The Colonel - [WRU #338] | Wed Aug 05 1987 11:46 | 14 |
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At several times, and several places in history bachelors have been
heavily taxed for their temerity in not marrying. Even today the tax
structure is unfair on unmarried people (of both sexes).
As for bachelor implying a degree: originally the term meant something
akin to "learner" (as in "bachelor knight" - somebody training for
knighthood). The degree of bachelor or <arts or whatever> implied the
end of basic study and the start of serious study: a master's degree
was the first "real degree" (allowing the holder to teach).
so presumably a bachelor is a youth learning about manhood :-)
/. Ian .\
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421.9 | Not so | ULTRA::GUGEL | Spring is for rock-climbing | Wed Aug 05 1987 12:12 | 8 |
| re -1:
The tax structure is unfair on *unmarried* people? What *are* you
talking about?! That's complete nonsense (at least here in the US).
My SO and I would be paying *thousands* of dollars more if we were
married.
-Ellen
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421.10 | More of the same rathole... | CADSYS::RICHARDSON | | Wed Aug 05 1987 13:10 | 1 |
| Tax structures are inherently unfair, period.
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421.11 | archaic tax structure | BANDIT::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Wed Aug 05 1987 13:14 | 12 |
| re .9:
He is probably not considering a two income household. A married
person pays far less in taxes than a single person with the same
income (as long as the marriage partner has no income).
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421.12 | tut tut | 3D::CHABOT | May these events not involve Thy servant | Thu Aug 06 1987 14:45 | 3 |
| Besides, Ellen, doesn't the IRS really want you to declare yourselves
as POSSLGlQs so that you can be taxed at the same rate as married
folk?
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421.13 | thought it was just POSSLQ | BANDIT::MARSHALL | hunting the snark | Fri Aug 07 1987 10:27 | 9 |
| I thought that acronym and declaration was only in the census bureau.
Is it really an IRS classification (and requirement)?
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