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Conference turris::womannotes-v1

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 1 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V1 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:873
Total number of notes:22329

421.0. "Why is this so?" by HARRY::HIGGINS (Citizen of Atlantis) Fri Jul 31 1987 17:11

    
    I was at a freinds house the other day.  He showed me his marriage
    license.  Under his name and status it read "Bachelor"  Under his
    (then) 19 year old wifes name and status it read "Spinster".
    
    
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421.1it is correct, if outdated, usageTWEED::B_REINKEwhere the side walk endsFri Jul 31 1987 18:165
    Because bachelor means a man who has never married and spinster
    means a woman who has never married. The use of the later is
    somewhat old fashioned but still correct. This was discussed
    in a least one note in the topic titled "Dont Call Me Girl"
    (note 148) Bonnie
421.2Just wondering whenSSDEVO::YOUNGERThis statement is falseFri Jul 31 1987 19:076
    Re .0
    
    Just wondering, what was the date of that marriage?
    
    Elizabeth
    
421.3I was never a "spinster"CADSYS::RICHARDSONMon Aug 03 1987 14:0610
    It may be correct usage, but the implications of the words "bachelor"
    and "spinster" are very different in our culture.  I wonder what
    my own marriage license says (not even sure where it is, offhand
    - safe defposit box, maybe?)??  Is there a non-negative-implication
    way to say "unmarried woman" in one word?  "maiden"? (I think we
    already rejected that one in some other note)
    
    Come to think of it, I suppose mine says "divorcee" - sort of a
    legalese way of permanently labelling the records of people who
    didn't get it right the first time, I guess )-:.
421.4neutralARMORY::CHARBONNDReal boats rock!Mon Aug 03 1987 15:481
    SNM - single, never married
421.5No bachelor or spinster hereTSG::PHILPOTMon Aug 03 1987 16:376
    My marriage license refers to us as "bride" and "groom" (what could
    be more appropriate?)  It's a fairly recent one (Oct '86) and it
    was issued in CT, so maybe the time and place make a difference.
    
    Lynne
    
421.6MONSTR::PHILPOTTThe Colonel - [WRU #338]Tue Aug 04 1987 11:2111
    "The law is a ass!" [Dickens] - in this case I suspect it is a male
    ass.
    
    The words used in a legal document such as a marriage licence are defined
    in the enabling legislation of the issuing body. This legislation in
    most states is probably at least a century old, so are you surprised
    that obsolescent wording is still used? (they probably refer to a widow
    or widower as a "relict" also)
    
    /. Ian .\
421.7for the commonweal3D::CHABOTMay these events not involve Thy servantTue Aug 04 1987 21:478
    Three hundred and fifty years ago in Massachusetts, "bachelor" may
    not have been such a great thing either: everybody was urged
    to marry and procreate.  Otherwise they were shirking their duties.
    "The City on the Hill" isn't enough--we need to know that our example
    withstood the test of time and impressed future generations, and
    the only way to do that is to have future generations of our own.
    
    re: .0  Obviously, she spins and he has a degree.  :-)
421.8MONSTR::PHILPOTTThe Colonel - [WRU #338]Wed Aug 05 1987 11:4614
    At several times, and several places in history bachelors have been
    heavily taxed for their temerity in not marrying. Even today the tax
    structure is unfair on unmarried people (of both sexes).
    
    As for bachelor implying a degree: originally the term meant something
    akin to "learner" (as in "bachelor knight" - somebody training for
    knighthood). The degree of bachelor or <arts or whatever> implied the
    end of basic study and the start of serious study: a master's degree
    was the first "real degree" (allowing the holder to teach).
    
    so presumably a bachelor is a youth learning about manhood :-)
    
    /. Ian .\
421.9Not soULTRA::GUGELSpring is for rock-climbingWed Aug 05 1987 12:128
    re -1:
    
    The tax structure is unfair on *unmarried* people?  What *are* you
    talking about?!  That's complete nonsense (at least here in the US).
    My SO and I would be paying *thousands* of dollars more if we were
    married.
    
    	-Ellen
421.10More of the same rathole...CADSYS::RICHARDSONWed Aug 05 1987 13:101
    Tax structures are inherently unfair, period.
421.11archaic tax structureBANDIT::MARSHALLhunting the snarkWed Aug 05 1987 13:1412
    re .9:
    
    He is probably not considering a two income household. A married
    person pays far less in taxes than a single person with the same
    income (as long as the marriage partner has no income).
    
                                                   
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421.12tut tut3D::CHABOTMay these events not involve Thy servantThu Aug 06 1987 14:453
    Besides, Ellen, doesn't the IRS really want you to declare yourselves
    as POSSLGlQs so that you can be taxed at the same rate as married
    folk?
421.13thought it was just POSSLQBANDIT::MARSHALLhunting the snarkFri Aug 07 1987 10:279
    I thought that acronym and declaration was only in the census bureau.
    Is it really an IRS classification (and requirement)?
    
                                                   
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