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| 278.1 | Huh? | GCANYN::TATISTCHEFF | | Fri Apr 10 1987 11:04 | 5 |
| sounds interesting. Care to tell us what you're talking about (many
of us are really out of things vis-a-vis the world at large, beyond
our coasts, etc, etc)?
Lee
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| 278.2 | Sounds Interesting | APEHUB::STHILAIRE | | Fri Apr 10 1987 11:54 | 5 |
| Re .0, .1, I'd also like to know what this story is about. I've
never heard of the woman mentioned before.
Lorna
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| 278.3 | | GOJIRA::PHILPOTT | Ian F. ('The Colonel') Philpott | Fri Apr 10 1987 15:13 | 115 |
| The following AP entry mentions her...
She stayed in the camp with a nurse during the seige.
Associated Press Thu 9-APR-1987 11:00 Lebanon
More Evacuations at Palestinian Camps; New Green Line Shelling
By RIMA SALAMEH
Associated Press Writer
BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - Syria's intervention force today deployed more
soldiers around two Palestinian refugee camps to ease the five-month
starvation siege that had deprived inhabitants of adequate food and
medical care.
The Syrian deployment, which started Tuesday, ended Shiite Moslem
militiamen's fierce bombardments and sniper volleys that had trapped
about 23,000 Palestinians in the Chatilla and Bourj el-Barajneh
shantytowns on the southern edge of Moslem west Beirut.
Forty-five wounded Palestinians were evacuated from Bourj el-Barajneh to
west Beirut hospitals today. The injured were taken from Haifa hospital,
a four-story building reduced to two floors by the Shiites' bombardment,
in International Red Cross ambulances under Syrian escort.
It was the first evacuation from Bourj el-Barajneh since the Syrians
deployed around the camps. On Wednesday, there was a similar evacuation
at Chatilla, about a half-mile away.
As the violence eased between the Shiites and Palestinians, fighting
broke out across the Green Line separating west Beirut from Chistian
east Beirut. Christian and Moslem militiamen, renewing their 12-year
civil war hostilities, traded mortar, rocket and machine gun fire in
their first major upsurge of 1987.
In Bourj el-Barajneh, Dr. Pauline Cutting, 35, a British surgeon who
runs Haifa hospital, told The Associated Press she lost 13 pounds during
the siege.
Reporters who entered Bourj el-Barajneh today said the camp was badly
damaged by the bombardment but destruction was considerably less than in
the smaller Chatilla camp, where reporters estimated 90 percent of the
buildings were reduced to piles of concrete dust and twisted metal.
Still, almost all of Bourj el-Barajneh's ramshackle concrete and plaster
huts were scarred by bullets or gaping bomb holes. Water spilling from
blown-off pipes filled the narrow alleys.
"There's a big relief among the people. The Syrian intervention was the
only possibility to stop the war," said Ben Alofs, 34, a Dutch nurse at
Haifa hospital.
The Shiite-Palestinian fighting started two years ago and continued
intermittently as the Shiites sought to stop the Palestinians from
re-establishing power bases lost during the 1982 Israeli invasion.
At daybreak today, about 200 soldiers from the Syrian army's special
forces took up positions around Bourj el-Barajneh, augmenting a 600-man
force that deployed in and around the camp Wednesday, Lebanese police
said.
They also said the 70-man Syrian commando force deployed around Chatilla
was doubled today, apparently to stop Shiite gunmen from harassing the
Palestinians.
Bourj el-Barajneh has an estimated population of 20,000, including about
3,500 guerrillas. Only about 3,000 refugees remain in Chatilla,
including 200 Palestine Liberation Organization fighters.
Women are being allowed out of the camps once a day to shop for food.
Shiite militiamen, members of Justice Minister Nabih Berri's Amal
organization, were seen on Wednesday searching the bags of women
returning to Chatilla and confiscating medicine.
Twenty-three wounded Palestinians were brought out of Chatilla
Wednesday, but a Canadian doctor working there, Chris Giannou of
Toronto, has said 100 more wounded or sick Palestinians need to be
evacuated.
Unlike the warm welcome the Syrians received at Chatilla, only a few
Palestinian women and children emerged from Bourj el-Barajneh to greet
the intervention force.
Syria has stationed troops in eastern and northern Lebanon since 1976,
when they entered their smaller neighbor under Arab League mandate to
snuff out the civil war that had pitted Christians against a mostly
Moslem alliance of Lebanese lefists and Palestinians.
About 25,000 Syrians are currently in Lebanon, including 7,500 who
entered west Beirut Feb. 22 to separate warring militias.
In the today's Christian-Moslem battles, mortars and rockets landed in
Christian east Beirut and the Shiite slums of west Beirut, police said.
They said they had no casualty reports.
Similar duels flared between Druse militiamen, who are members of a
mystic Islamic sect, and Christian army units loyal to President Amin
Gemayel, a Maronite Catholic, in Souk el-Gharb Wednesday and again
today.
Police said one person was killed and two were wounded at Souk el-Gharb,
a hilltop town and frequent civil war flashpoint 7 miles southeast of
Beirut.
The Green Line and Souk el-Gharb skirmishes coincided with a stalemate
in negotiations between Lebanon and Syria on political reforms designed
to give the Syrian-backed Moslems an equal share of power with the
Christians who have dominated Lebanese politics for a half-century.
The Christians were long considered a majority, but today Moslems
comprise 55 percent of Lebanon's 4 million people and seek a larger
share of power.
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| 278.4 | | GOJIRA::PHILPOTT | Ian F. ('The Colonel') Philpott | Fri Apr 10 1987 15:28 | 24 |
|
OK, now we know who Dr. Cutter (and the nurse) are...
What they did was brave: very brave. However many other doctors
and nurses have done similarly brave things. Many gave their lives
doing them
No I don't think a Nobel prize (presumably the Peace Prize) is
appropriate as apart from doing what she probably felt was her duty,
she has done nothing that I can see to advance the cause of world
peace.
However I am sure an honour is appropriate. I wouldn't be at all
surprised (since she is British) to see her appointed a Member of
the Order of St. Michael & St. George, or a Member of the Victorian
Order, or similar in the next Birthday Honours list. If there is
particular valour that hasn't been reported in the press (rescuing
a child whilst under fire or something) then a George Medal might
be appropriate.
If the nurse is British also (not known) then something similar
is appropriate.
/. Ian .\
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| 278.5 | | RDGE00::SADAT | Jambo!! | Mon Apr 13 1987 13:56 | 7 |
| Thanks for posting that Ian.
The point was that the two of them could have got out on many occasions, the
Amal were prepared to allow them out. But they chose to stay. And I bet it
wasn't in their contracts...
Tarik.
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| 278.6 | more from AP wire | GOJIRA::PHILPOTT | Ian F. ('The Colonel') Philpott | Tue Apr 14 1987 19:28 | 92 |
| Associated Press Tue 14-APR-1987 17:08 Lebanon-Doctor
Medical Team Flees From Lebanese Camp to Cyprus After Threats
By SAMIR F. GHATTAS
Associated Press Writer
NICOSIA, Cyprus (AP) - British physician Pauline Cutting said Tuesday her
medical team fled a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon after Moslem
besiegers threatened their lives, but that she would like to return after
a rest.
Ms. Cutting, 37, of north London, said she and her team - nurse Susan
Wighton of Glasgow, Scotland, and Ben Alofs, a Dutch male nurse - left the
camp after conditions improved when Syrian troops deployed around the
shantytown.
Both Britons said they were sad to leave Bourj el-Barajneh camp and hoped
to go back after a rest.
The medical team arrived in the port of Larnaca aboard a ferry from the
Lebanese Christian port of Jounieh.
Looking haggard and pale, Ms. Cutting gazed around her at Larnaca and
pronounced the Mediterranean island resort "calm, calm, tidy, with no
holes in the buildings."
Palestinians at the camp, on the southern outskirts of the Lebanese
capital, hailed Ms. Cutting as "our savior."
She worked there for 15 months, including a five-month siege and
bombardment by Shiite Moslem militiamen. The militias sought to seize
Palestinian refugee camps around Beirut, bent on keeping Palestinian
guerrillas from rebuilding the Lebanese power base they lost in the 1982
Israeli invasion.
In a recent interview with an Arabic-language magazine while she was still
in the camp, Ms. Cutting said she was the only doctor caring for the
camp's 12,000 refugees.
Until a food blockade was eased by Syrian troops, Ms. Cutting and others
said at times they ate rats, dogs, cats or mules to survive.
She said Shiite fighters had threatened the medical team for helping the
Palestinians.
"We received messages that we would be cut up and were advised to leave,"
Ms. Cutting said.
She said they were escorted out of Bourj el-Barajneh Monday by Syrian
soldiers who moved into Beirut Feb.22 to end factional fighting in the
capital's western sector.
"Getting to the airport road was the most scary bit," Ms. Wighton, 28,
said.
She giggled and drew her hand across her throat to show what she felt
would have happened to them if they had fallen into the hands of the
Shiite gunmen.
Ms. Cutting said she was driven across Beirut's dividing Green Line by the
British ambassador to Lebanon, John Gray, and a carload of bodyguards, and
in Cyprus, was accompanied by a Palestine Liberation Organization
official.
She said she and Ms. Wighton planned to board a flight for London later.
"I'd like to go back (to the camp) after a rest," Ms. Cutting said.
Ms. Wighton said in a brief interview in Nicosia that "we're having a
break. ... We shall stay in London for about five weeks and shall go back
to Beirut afterwards."
Ms. Cutting told reporters in Larnaca: "We were sad to leave our friends
behind. If you've lived and worked to help people in a difficult time you
feel sad to leave them. We're here safe, and they're still there."
She said 136 people were killed and 800 wounded inside the camp while she
was there.
The doctor said the hardest time came recently "when we felt the camp was
starting to collapse and that the Shiites might come in and kill us all,
but the Palestinians managed to hold on."
She said that after the Syrian troops arrived, a medical staff replacement
of Italians and Palestinians came into the camp.
Ms. Cutting said in a recent interview with the Kol Al Arab magazine, "I
spent all my time day and night in the hospital, performing operations in
a primitive way by candlelight with no anesthetic.
"I saw children chasing and roasting rats to eat because there was no food
and this moved me very much."
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| 278.7 | | USFSHQ::SMANDELL | | Wed Apr 15 1987 13:17 | 8 |
| I hope bringing this up doesn't overshadow the real issue here
(courage and caring), but why are all the references to *Ms.* Cutting,
and not *Dr.* Cutting????
I'm sure anyone who reads this file knows why I ask.
Sheila
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| 278.8 | Caution, :-) ahead. | MAY20::MINOW | I need a vacation | Wed Apr 15 1987 15:35 | 11 |
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re: .7
> I hope bringing this up doesn't overshadow the real issue here
> (courage and caring), but why are all the references to *Ms.* Cutting,
> and not *Dr.* Cutting????
Gee, I haven't the foggiest idea. Perhaps it's because anybody can
become a doctor, but you have to be born that way to become a Ms.
Martin.
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| 278.9 | | SOFTY::HEFFELFINGER | The valient Spaceman Spiff! | Thu Apr 16 1987 09:31 | 6 |
| Actually, I *think* , (I'm sure someone will correct me :-))
that in England they call all Medical Doctors, Mr or Ms rather than
Doctor.
tlh
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| 278.10 | | VIKING::TARBET | Margaret Mairhi | Thu Apr 16 1987 10:19 | 4 |
| <--(.9)
Only surgeons (allegedly dates from the days when surgeons also cut
hair). Pill-pushers do get called "Doctor".
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| 278.11 | lets close this rathole... | GOJIRA::PHILPOTT | Ian F. ('The Colonel') Philpott | Thu Apr 16 1987 12:19 | 30 |
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Not to put too fine a point on it I think it is a case of a journalist
going overboard.
Margaret is correct in saying that surgeons used to be considered the
menials of the medical profession (they actually got dirty...).
Additionally however the situation in Britain is that many physicians
do not have a doctorate (ie they have a "double batchelors" degree in
medicine and surgery and are MB, ChB rather than MD: a medical doctor
rather than a doctor of medicine) and the title "doctor" is a courtesy
(ie you address a letter to doctor Smith as Dr. Smith, MB, ChB). All
general physicians are called "doctor".
To become a surgeon or medical specialist one needs a higher degree.
In the middle ages holders of masters degrees were called "master" (all
were men back then). Now in Britain a male youth is referred to as "master
Smith" until he reaches adulthood when he becomes "Mister Smith" and
it was conventional to call a medical doctor (meaning holder of a
doctorate) "Mister Smith, MD" or "Mister Smith, ChD". Hence for two
reasons (because originally unskilled, and because they now have the
highest qualifications), we have the inversion that a surgeon is called
"Mr. Smith" (or indeed {Mrs Miss or Ms} Smith). Some specialists also
choose to be called Mr (or Ms) rather than doctor for similar reasons.
(Though in the medieval sense, where most holders of doctorates taught
in university, many would now be called professor).
/. Ian .\
(NB 'Ch' is the abbreviation of whatever the latin word for surgery is)
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| 278.14 | Dear Ms. Smith | VINO::EVANS | | Wed May 27 1987 13:41 | 8 |
| RE: 12
Ms. was in use twenty years ago in business - one addressed a letter
as such if one did not know the gender of the person to whom one
was sending the letter. Rather than presume everyone to be Dear
Sir.
Dawn
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| 278.15 | | SOFTY::HEFFELFINGER | The valient Spaceman Spiff! | Wed May 27 1987 14:34 | 6 |
| Ms.(or actually Miz) was also widely in use in the south for
at least 20 years. I've lived in South Carolina for a little over
19 years, and it was well established by the time I got here. My
"mizippi" friends tell me the same of Mississippi.
Miz Heffelfinger
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| 278.16 | Miz-ing out | CREDIT::RANDALL | Bonnie Randall Schutzman | Thu May 28 1987 10:05 | 9 |
| Miz is pretty common in the West, too -- my mother and I were both
Miz Randall to most of the old-timers.
Only when used with a name, however. "Will that be all, Miss?"
or "Will that be all, Ma'am?" -- though whether you were a miss
or a ma'am depended mostly on your apparent age, not at all on your
marital status.
--bonnie
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| 278.17 | An acknowledgement by HRH Elizabeth II | IPG::KITE | | Tue Jun 16 1987 07:48 | 11 |
| Just for information:
In the Queen's Birthday Honours list Dr Pauline Cutting received
an O.B.E. (Officer (of the order) of the British Empire) and her
nursing assistant received an M.B.E. (Member etc).
This may not carry much weight in other countries but other than
becoming a Dame of the British Empire it is one of the highest awards
this country bestows.
Janice
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