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Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 1 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V1 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:873
Total number of notes:22329

260.0. "Communication in relationships!" by LASSEN::GUPTA () Tue Mar 31 1987 21:06

Last weekend I attended a seminar on "communication in a relationship" at
my church here in the SF bay area.                                       
    
The seminar was conducted by the pastor and his wife and a panel of
three women counselors and was meant for the singles group of our church.

I am summarizing the views expressed in the seminar. No flames plz.
Readers, I would like to hear from you - both men and women.

Some of the problem areas
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1) Generally it is harder for a man to express himself emotionally
   than a woman. Hence when man and woman talk, they are on different
   emotional and objective planes. (Is it generally true?)

2) Communication between men and woman can be like a game of tennis.
   You need to volley a lot to understand the other person. In the beginning
   one partner "serves" a red ball and gets a "yellow ball" back.
   ( I guess the key word is in the beginning - in the earlier stages
     of the relationship. How do you people who have been with the same 
     person for a while think about this?)

3) Confusion : "noise" in a communication:
   1) What I actually wanted to say
   2) What I actually said
   3) What I think I said
   4) what the other person heard
   5) what the other person thought i said

Later, we had a fake Donahue show, where all men were put in one room and all 
the women in another. We men had a women panel and it was a free format where 
we could ask any questions. I guess lot of people in the group were seeing each 
other and the separation was to "ease" out some "pressures" and let people feel
free in asking pointed questions without there SO's being there.

.....and a few questions that were raised in our men's group were.....

1) How honest do women expect men to be when asked about their (men's)previous
   women friends in the early stages of a relationship?

2) How do men intimidate women in early dating stages. How should men avoid
   that?

3) Why do (some)women get scared when a man starts getting serious in a
   relationship? (how do i dump this guy etc etc) 
   (Actually I am curious to find out from our women readers if this is the
   first reaction *most of the times* esp. if they don't know the guy very well
   yet?)

4) Sometimes it is a lot harder to begin "dating" someone if you are very good
   friends with her. If she is unwilling to be in a relationship, even "asking"
   her how she feels about you can destroy that friendship for good. So it is
   better to define a relationship from the beginning rather than destroy a
   good friendship later.  (This was a comment by one of the guys and he wanted
   to listen to the views from the panel but we ran out of time. What do you
   people think about it.)


Again, I am summarizing the seminar. Please no flames on "the world according
to the pastor" - only your views and experiences in the above situations.
(We have a follow up session next month and I am looking forward to it.)

anil. 
    
              
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260.1Communication IS differentJUNIOR::TASSONESpring FlingWed Apr 01 1987 12:3627
    Isn't this a coincidence.  I was just speaking to my boyfriend about
    communication, emoting feelings, demonstrating love for one another.
     We ARE very different.
    
    I am more expressive (verbal) and he is more physical (touching,
    caressing my hair, nibbling my neck).  Oh, don't get me wrong, i
    do my share of touching but I like to verbalize that this feels
    good or you did a good job on that or I'm feeling kind of blue today
    so would you mind if we skipped getting together tonight.  But he
    doesn't do alot of that.
    
    I spoke to my counselor about him not emoting enough but what it
    came down to was that some people (men or women) have a hard time
    expressing their feelings into words but with a little help from
    the other, the "feeling" will be known without any need for long
    speeches or direct "this is what I'm feeling right now" sort of
    expressions.  Come to find out, my feeling that he wasn't emoting
    wasn't exaclty true.  He was, I wasn't paying enough attention.
    
    Am going to work real hard on this one and he is going to be more
    conscious of what he "does" actually tell me.
    
    One more thing, part of the "not paying enough attention" was my
    fear that maybe he doesn't really "need me".  Well, I asked him
    "directly" and he said, "I do need you".
    
    Awwwwwwww
260.3NRLABS::TATISTCHEFFSat Apr 04 1987 12:5635
    1)  I like to know as much as possible about an SO's past loves
    for the simple reason that it helps me to understand them better.
    I notice how they are with me, the things they do and whence they
    come, and how to cope with some of their defenses.  It is nice to
    be able to say, "but you see, you are being defensive with me in
    this way because _she_ messed you over in this situation.  Well,
    _I_ don't play the way she did/does, so please don't worry."
    
    One other reason to know a little about his past loves, is that
    if in hearing his stories, the woman _always_ turned out to be pond
    scum and mistreated him, then it is fairly likely that he will feel
    the same way about me, even if I _don't_ mistreat him.  In my
    experience, lovers' ex-es are never completely evil, and if the
    lover is not able to see that, then that is a symptom of not being
    able to see/admit his own wrong-doings.  This isn't a hard and fast
    rule, but it still seems to me that people with BEEEG chips on their
    shoulders had a lot to do with putting them there; shoulder chips
    don't just fall miraculously from the sky to afflict a person.
    
    2)  I have never, ever, ever successfully turned a friend into a
    lover.  I agree that this would be preferable, but once someone
    is my friend, I get terribly shy about voicing romantic feelings
    towards them.  I think this is because once I know a person well,
    I generally respect them a lot (else they do not qualify as friends),
    and to be rejected at that stage by someone I know, like, and respect
    is a gargantuan ego blow.  Also, I don't like to lose friends, and
    the discomfort in the situation of two people where one is romantically
    interested in the other seems to me to almost prohibit the continuation
    of that friendship, at least, not at the level it was before the
    declaration of romance.
    
    So HOW ON EARTH do you broach the subject of romance with a friend?
    (A _very_ interested person asks this question...) 
    
Lee
260.4To dump, or not to dumpPASCAL::BAZEMOREBarbara b.Sat Apr 04 1987 22:4518
    >3) Why do (some)women get scared when a man starts getting serious in a
    >   relationship? (how do i dump this guy etc etc) 

    I took "getting serious" to mean, "let's think about getting married".
    When my relationship got to the point of possible marriage I got
    pretty scared.  This was the first time any situation had come up
    which would affect me every day for the rest of my life.  I had
    to sit down and do a lot of hard thinking about my SO.  Some thoughts
    included, what happens if he turns into a jerk a bit further down
    the line, once wedding plans are announced or the wedding takes
    place he becomes a lot harder to "dump", so if I want to do it,
    I better do it now.  
    
    Luckily after mulling it over for a while, I decided they just don't
    come any better than Dave, and after five years of marriage I'm
    still convinced of it.   
    
    			Barbara b.
260.5FAUXPA::ENOBright EyesMon Apr 06 1987 13:1914
    re. communications between men and women
    
    I read an article once (didn't we all) that seemed to indicate that
    culturally, men and women have different *styles* of communicating.
    For example, a man would say that you look okay, a woman would say
    that your dress is lovely and how well it compliments your hair,
    etc., and both mean the same thing.  
    
    Another point was that men who want to keep their problems to
    themselves to "save the other person worry" think they are acting
    normally, but are actually acting like *bears*.  I noticed this
    in my husband; he would have a work problem he didn't want to discuss
    and would be totally non-communicative and irritable.  But he thought
    I wouldn't notice something was wrong.  
260.6Being Honest HelpsSSGVAX::LUSTReality is for those that can't handle drugsMon Apr 06 1987 14:3629
RE:  .3


<    So HOW ON EARTH do you broach the subject of romance with a friend?
<   (A _very_ interested person asks this question...) 
    
As with most other forms of communication, it starts by geing honest.

Tell your friend how you feel.  If they are as good a friend as you think,
then they will react honestly.  I don't think that anyone has *EVER* been
offended by an honest offer/qestion for romance (that does not include:
"Hey, baby, wanna have sex?".)  They may not be interested, but that is
not a rejection, necessarily - it probably just means that they don't see
you in the light of a lover.

Just once in my life, I was asked (very delicately) by a woman whom I
regard as the one true love of my life, and I turned her down - I decided
that I needed her as a friend more than as a lover.  We are still the best
of friends, and in retrospect, I made the right decision.

It may also happen, that they are/were interested, and didn't know how to
bring up the subject either.  Again honesty counts.  If you are really friends
you owe it to yourselves to bring up the subject.

Best wishes;


Dirk