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Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 1 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V1 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
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Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:873
Total number of notes:22329

252.0. "Fading of the single-sex colleges" by QUARK::LIONEL (Free advice is worth every cent) Thu Mar 26 1987 22:39

    An article in the March 30 "Newsweek" begins as follows:
    
       Students at Wheaton College hold campus traditions dear, from
       singing on the library steps during senior year to floating
       candle boats on Peacock Pond.  Now, in its 153rd year, a new
       ritual has entered Wheaton lore: "Black Thursday," named for
       the day two months ago when the board of trustees announced
       plans to admit men in the fall of 1988.  Distraught undergrads
       at the Norton, Mass., campus have donned black armbands and
       draped black banners from their dorm windows every Thursday
       in protest.  One devotee of single-sex education even sneaked
       into the dining hall and tied black thread around every piece
       of silverware.
    
    The reason given for going coed is to increase admissions - the
    number of single-sex schools is shrinking rapidly.  There is a
    notion that many prospective applicants think that attending
    such schools means a limited social life.
    
    I think this is an interesting topic for discussion.  I attended
    a single-sex high school but a very coed college, so I don't think
    I have a good feel for the issues here.  I'm sure we must have
    some alumna of single-sex colleges among the readership, or perhaps
    those who can comment on why one would or would not want to go
    to such a school.  Is there any real advantage in the educational
    sense to such an arrangement?
    					Steve
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252.1On one single sex schoolSTUBBI::B_REINKEthe fire and the rose are oneThu Mar 26 1987 23:1192
       Hi Steve - I entered this quite a while ago - it was probably
    one of my earliest contributions to this conference. I was interested
    to note that the Newsweek article confirmed the graduate school
    statistics that I mentioned last summer.
    
    
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    As a graduate of the oldest women's college in the country I would
    like to speak out in their favor. I just went to my 20th reunion
    at Mount Holyoke and it left me with very positive feelings about
    the school and my experiences there.
    
    Do you know that a higher percentage of women who graduated from
    single sex colleges go on to obtain graduate degrees, M.D.'s and
    management positions than women from coed colleges. (This was reported
    by a speaker at my reunion - and no I don't have the source.) This
    was the case with recent graduates as well as women of my era and
    certainly speaks well for a single sex education being to a woman's
    advantage when she gets out in the "real world". Other studies have
    shown that graduates of women's schools are more apt to participate,
    and speak out in class in graduate school than women who went to
    coed schools. I certainly found this to be true when I went for
    my M.A. You might also be interested to know that enrollment in
    all or nearly allBlack schools has been on the rise lately. (Source
    - the recent Boston Globe series on Black education .) One reason
    given by Black students for their preference was the same as I have
    heard from women at women's colleges - a freedom from certain 
    steriotypes/prejudices allowing them to get on with the business
    of getting a good education. (Only fighting one battle at a time
    so to speak.) (Other reasons for the increase in enrollment in Black
    schools was greater financial aid and greater assistance for smart
    students with poor academic backgrounds.)
    
    I remember once as an undergraduate visiting a youngman who was
    a graduate student at M.I.T. He told me that he rountinely gave
    women a lower grade for similar work because a woman had to be better
    than a man to do as well at M.I.T. (his opinion not college policy.)
    One advantage of a woman's college then, was that you would be graded
    on your abilities without encountering this type of sexist bias
    from instructors and professors (much of it subtle and hidden.)
    Can we honestly say that this sort of bias is no longer found today?
    
    Another advantage was that of strong role models. Twenty years ago
    there were very few women professors at coed schools (and almost
    none at men's schools.) This hasn't improved very much today, but
    women's colleges still employ a lot of bright competent women. I
    remember being very impressed with my professors - some of the first
    bright high achieving women I had ever met. Having women of this
    type to emulate would still be valuable for young women today.
    
    Over the years since I graduated I found I could very often pick
    out the women in a group who had been to a woman's college. Very
    often they were the ones who seemed most sure of themselves, and
    showed no hesitation in speaking out in any situation. I believe
    that women's colleges do impart a greater degree of self-confidence
    and drive to achieve in women than do co-ed schools and that this
    definitely does carry over to life after school.
    
    Probably the major drawback was a lack of natural ways to meet men
    as friends - putting too much emphasis on the socializing on weekends
    (mixers and their ilk) and setting men up as creatures apart as
    a result. (For those of you fortunate enough to have never gone
    to a mixer - often refered to as "cattle shows" - they are something
    like a dating bar where students from one school are bused to a
    dance at another - a terrible way to get to meet people.) However,
    the reverse side of this was an advantage - the absence of men meant
    that the campus was quieter during the week and students could
    generally study in their rooms. I know of a number of people who
    attended men's or coed schools who could never study in their dorm
    room because of the noise. (Question are men students still noisier
    than women?)
    
    I am certainly very well pleased with the quality of the education
    I received and feel that there have been lasting benefits to me
    to this day. I would encourage any bright ambitious young woman to
    attend MHC or any of the other remaining woman's colleges. Unfortun-
    ately MHC may well be forced to go coed due to financial pressures.
    The pool of qualified young women who are interested in a single
    sex college has been declining. Given the intense loyalty I've seen
    among MHC alumnae (which I don't see in women graduates of coed
    schools) I hope the college will not be the looser in the long run
    if they do.
    
    Bonnie        
    
252.2can they deny accesss ?RANGLY::SPECTOR_DAVIFri Mar 27 1987 07:3214

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	I was under the impression that it was illegal to deny anyone 
	admission to a college on the basis of their gender.

	Wasn't that the case a number of years ago when women broke 
	down the barriers at all male schools ?

	.....or is this a one way street ?

David
252.3Moving to note 36QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centFri Mar 27 1987 11:164
    Sigh - that'll teach me not to do a DIRECTORY first.  I'll move
    this back to note 36 and write-lock this topic.  Sorry.
    
    				Steve