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Conference turris::womannotes-v1

Title:ARCHIVE-- Topics of Interest to Women, Volume 1 --ARCHIVE
Notice:V1 is closed. TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5 is open.
Moderator:REGENT::BROOMHEAD
Created:Thu Jan 30 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 30 1995
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:873
Total number of notes:22329

175.0. "Duty and Honor" by ATFAB::REDDEN (A Collision of Illusions) Wed Jan 21 1987 15:17

    This is a request for definitions by women of these words.  I would
    like to see if they are significantly different than the definitions
    that men seem to use.  Operational definitions are preferred.
    
    Duty, as in "duty calls", "only did her duty", "dutiful wife/husband"
    (legal terminology), "beyond the call of duty"
    
    Honor, as in "death before dishonor", "honorable mention/discharge", 
    "honorable intentions"
    
    More generally, when are either of these concepts motivating, and
    when are either of these concepts manipulative?
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175.1my $0.02VIKING::TARBETMargaret MairhiWed Jan 21 1987 16:2718
    "Duty" is that set of obligations for which one has signed up. 
    The signing-up can be pretty explicit (as when we've put our name
    to some contract) or implicit (as, for instance, when we consider
    that certain behavior is part of our definition of being an adult
    or a good citizen...or, presumably, a proper thief or successful
    despot. 
    
    "Honor" is self-respect and the respect of honorable others.
    
    They're motivating when they're valued by the motivatee and
    manipulative otherwise.  E.g., if you tell me (or I you) that something
    ought to be done "because it's your DUTY", that's manipulative at
    least to the extent that it is self-serving rather than disinterested.
    On the other hand, if I tell myself that I ought to do something
    "because it's my DUTY", that probably can't be considered manipulative
    even though it might well be self-serving in a mendacious way.
    
    					=maggie
175.2CELICA::QUIRIYChristineThu Jan 22 1987 11:3922
This is right off the top of my head.  My first impressions.

Duty, as in:

"duty calls" -- An obligation.  Or perhaps a full bladder.  
"only did her duty" -- What was expected of her (whether this expectation was 
    internally or externally generated).  Exonerates.  
"dutiful wife/husband" -- "legal" terminology?  Hmm.  Devoted.  
"beyond the call of duty" -- Beyond expectations.
    
Honor, as in:

"death before dishonor" -- The violation of a strongly held principle.  
"honorable mention" -- "Good try!"  Shows promise, talent, technical skill.
"honorable discharge" -- A "passing grade".  Performed satisfactorily, without 
    serious infraction of the rules.  
"honorable intentions" -- Good (perhaps righteous) intentions.

I agree with Margaret's answer (.1) to the motivating/manipulative question.

CQ
175.326413::ENOBright EyesMon Jan 26 1987 08:3421
    In college, I did an ethics class term paper on the conflict of
    "duty" versus "truth".
    
    My thoughts then, and now, are that duty has to do with the social
    contracts we make with other people and our society in general.
    For example, I have a duty to obey the laws of my government, since
    I have chosen to benefit from my government (it's kind of hard to
    opt out, but the concept remains the same).
    
    The only time I can see where "duty" has to be subordinated is where
    "honor" comes in.  My definition -- strongly held convictions or
    principles -- such as not taking undue advantage of the weak, or
    telling the truth in circumstances where it might be to my advantage
    to lie.
    
    My opinion is that a lot of wrongheaded decisions are made on the
    basis of "my duty" by people who have never seriously considered
    that there might be a *higher* concept.
    
    
    Gloria