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| 637.1 | why make it easier....... | TROOA::MSCHNEIDER | [email protected] | Fri May 30 1997 02:02 | 10 |
| Subtle little changes like the requirement to add a drawer mounting kit
have been added so that it doesn't get too easy for us field grunts to
configure systems. Just when you thought you had it figured out they
change the rules.
;^)
In combination with the lack of an up-to-date DCU tool I can just see
the number of customer satisfaction problems that might occur due to
missing parts in a configuration.
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| 637.2 | NT disk with every drawer | MOVMON::DAVIS | | Fri May 30 1997 11:16 | 8 |
| RE: FIS'd NT -
You don't have to order the FIS'd disk for the first drawer because
it's part of the system part number. You have to order the second
because of a licensing agreement with Microsoft (as far as I understand
the situation).
Todd
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| 637.3 | Still doesn't make sense | USPS::FPRUSS | Frank Pruss, 202-232-7347 | Fri May 30 1997 11:23 | 4 |
| But, as I said, in this new SOC, the "second" drawer has the same part
number as the first drawer. And the long description for the part
indicates it includes a 4.3 Gb disk with NT (even though there is no
place to put it until you decide on a cabinet).
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| 637.4 | configuration rules | CAMPY::PALAZZO | | Fri May 30 1997 14:13 | 17 |
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Yes, there are some new configuration rules as the SOC mentions.
If you are ordering a new REMTA cabinet (H9A10-EL -America,AP) you
need to order the CK-BA30A-BA system drawer mounting kit. Likewise,
if you are ordering the H9A10-EM cabinet, you use the CK-BA30A-BB
mounting kit.
For each additional drawer that will go in the cabinet, you need to
order the appropriate mounting kit.
Like Todd said, the issue around the RZ29B-NT disk, StorageWorks Shelf
has to do with licensing agreement between Microsoft and Digital. This
applies to Window NT systems only. It is a FIS'd WNT disk.
Hope it helps
Mike
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| 637.5 | | POBOXB::BAK | | Fri May 30 1997 18:35 | 10 |
| Hi,
The reason you have to order the mounting kit as a separate line item is that
for a few weeks we actually had two different mounting options. One was the
older more compact (and less costly) CK-BA30A-AA and the other was the one
developed by CSS which we decided to make generally available. At the LAST
minute the product manager decided to pull the older kit so there was no time to
react to include the mounting kit for the first drawer in the base cabinet kit.
Dennis
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| 637.6 | Murky, but getting better | USPS::FPRUSS | Frank Pruss, 202-232-7347 | Sat May 31 1997 13:05 | 15 |
| Yes, I'm beginning to see the "logic" now. Are you saying that the old
SBU "Compact" kit has been pulled from the product line?
Also, the REAL long descriptions for the the system drawers show that
the drawers do not include 4 GB disks. Only the descriptions in the
ACU/DCU claim they do. (But it doesn't say there is a disk in the
pedestal/cabinet).
Still the RZ29B-NT seems odd. Can't be licensing, as it costs exactly
the same as an RZ29B-VW. Seems like a "reminder" to manufacturing in
some way.
FJP
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| 637.7 | what I heard... | BBPBV1::WALLACE | john wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093 | Mon Jun 02 1997 05:16 | 17 |
| It's "licensing, but not as we know it" according to what I heard...
With NT V4, MS require that NT-licenced systems ship with NT
pre-installed. Otherwise you don't get to OEM NT with the system.
Pre-installing NT is tricky without a disk.
The same agreement also applies to other big PC players like Dell,
Compaq, etc. Some didn't like it, to the extent that they unbundled NT
completely 'cos they couldn't be bothered FISing it.
Smaller players presumably just ignore the rules if they want to...
I haven't heard any detail as to why they went for this.
regards
john
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| 637.8 | Need a shelf | MOVMON::DAVIS | | Mon Jun 02 1997 11:34 | 5 |
| Part of the confusion here may be due to the AS4000/4100 drawer does
not have a internal disk bay. You always need a StorageWorks shelf to
connect to the hard drives.
Todd
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| 637.9 | Bundling the disk and enclosure was always wierd | USPS::FPRUSS | Frank Pruss, 202-232-7347 | Mon Jun 02 1997 23:48 | 14 |
| The part about the RZ28B-NT disk that I don't understand is:
If NT can be automagically FIS'd for the system disk that is "bundled"
with the in a Cabinet for the 1st NT drawer, then why can't this happen
to one of the disks that you will order to be the system disk for the
second drawer in an NT cluster?
I figure it must be a "reminder" to manufacturing, but it puts a heavy
load on the field if it isn't absolutely necessary. (It's sure a
suprise to the DCU developer!)
It just seems strange...
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| 637.10 | | POBOXB::BAK | | Wed Jun 04 1997 20:27 | 8 |
| Blame the guys who signed the NT FIS agreement....
The unique part number was required because manufacturing sources the RZ29B's
from a different location than the systems. If you just order a NT system and
a RZ29B there is no way for manufacturing to FIS NT on the disk because the two
line items on the order are dock merged.
Dennis
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| 637.11 | Scary process | USPS::FPRUSS | Frank Pruss, 202-232-7347 | Thu Jun 05 1997 01:21 | 10 |
| I figured as much and it is reasonable.
But can a manufacturing type explain how the disk in the cabinet gets
automagically turned into a FIS'd NT RZ28B-VW when an NT drawer gets
configured in?
The real question is, how many NT _single_ cpu's are hitting customers
without an NT FIS disk?
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