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Conference mvblab::alphaserver_4100

Title:AlphaServer 4100
Moderator:MOVMON::DAVISS
Created:Tue Apr 16 1996
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:648
Total number of notes:3158

405.0. "EV6 in 4xxx family?" by TROOA::MSCHNEIDER (Nothing witty to say) Mon Jan 13 1997 12:14

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405.1from web ir ....PERFOM::HENNINGTue Jan 14 1997 17:158
405.2ok ...TROOA::MSCHNEIDERNothing witty to sayTue Jan 14 1997 23:106
405.3Notesfiles are wrong forum for certain futures discussionsPERFOM::HENNINGWed Jan 15 1997 07:119
405.4Re-Education?TMCUKA::ROWELLPaul Rowell @BBPThu Jan 16 1997 04:375
405.5it's as clear as mud....TROOA::MSCHNEIDERNothing witty to sayThu Jan 16 1997 09:126
405.6if this was a tech. question we'd have had an answer by nowBBPBV1::WALLACEjohn wallace @ bbp. +44 860 675093Sun Feb 02 1997 14:1610
    ...tick...tick...tick...
    
    DUPS training has just been given in the UK, and they were still
    telling Digital field folks and Digital business partners that upgrades
    to EV6 would follow.
    
    The sooner we get a clear statement, widely distributed, the better.
    
    regards
    john
405.7mentioned in PIDNAMIX::jptFIS and ChipsMon Feb 03 1997 05:433
	4000 family PID mentions EV6 as growth path inside the family,
	BUT gives no details... 
405.8Pointer to public EV6 infoSTAR::jacobi.zko.dec.com::jacobiPaul A. Jacobi - OpenVMS Systems GroupMon Feb 03 1997 13:3711
The first ***public*** presentation on EV6 (21264) chip made at the 
Microprocessor Forum, Oct 22-23,1996 is available at: 

http://www.digital.com/info/semiconductor/a264up1/index.html

Performance estimates are given, but no system information is presented.


							-Paul

405.9reality check...NYOSS1::MONASCHI wrote the DECmate gamesFri Feb 07 1997 09:3610
    As the writer of the DUPS AlphaServer presentation for this quarters
    DUPS, rest assured that I checked the fact out and received the OK to
    say UNDER NON-DISCLOSURE, "EV6 will be supported in the 4000 family". 
    There was no mention of "how" or "when".  The next effect of the
    statement is to provide end-user customers with the investment
    protection message.
    
    Regards,
    
    
405.10Not as of todayMOVMON::DAVISMon Feb 10 1997 15:465
    There is no guarantee as of today that EV6 will be supported on the
    currently-shipping AlphaServer 4000 systems.  Please do not set any
    customer expectations on this scenario.
    
    Todd
405.11need to put a stake in the groundTROOA::MSCHNEIDER[email protected]Mon Feb 10 1997 18:1416
    Gotta love it .... the PID says EV6, nobody can explain how.  From the
    last note I suspect a drawer swap may be in order ... like the 4000 to
    4100 upgrade.  Maybe worse in that the guts change and memory and other
    pieces aren't transferable.
    
    Regarding customer expectations ... well either it will or it won't. 
    We need to make up our minds.  If not then get it out of the PID.  Yes
    I know about all the PID disclaimers and what not, but don't believe
    for one minute that sales and marketing folks won't run with
    "upgradable to EV6" like they did with Turbolaser will run NT a year or
    so ago, when in fact there were no firm plans to put NT on the
    Turbolaser.
    
    If the 4x00 family will not support EV6 it is a bit disconcerting from
    the investment protection message point of view.  2x00 family survived
    2 chip generations.
405.12we need the message now...NAMIX::jptFIS and ChipsThu Feb 13 1997 03:3614
IMHO:
	One of the key success factors in selling Rawhide family is
	investement protection. Most of our materials connect together
	"most modern servers", "investement protection" and "EV6 
	technologies". So even our materials don't state or promise
	any concrete upgrades, it still builds up customer expectations.

	4000 series story without _strong_ EV6 upgrade messages will
	cause _major_ customer dissatisfaction! And of course, it would
	take away one of possible key winning factors from sales!

		-jari