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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

886.0. "Injustice" by XBOM::MOORE (Tim Moore - ridin' without pedals) Wed Apr 17 1996 12:33

Hi,

I am doing a little research into the area of Injustice.  I'm interested if
Injustice in a specific area is justified, if so on what grounds, does it have
biblical context, etc. I am wondering of Injustice is real or perceived.

All comers welcomed!!!

Tim
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886.1Depends on point of viewGRANPA::BROWNMy kids call my father Granpa BrownWed Apr 17 1996 21:4410
    Everything that God does is just.  Humans have sinned and therefore can
    do unjust things to others.  There is real injustice out there but God
    can use it for good.  There are many examples in the Bible.  Look at
    Joseph with his coat of many colors.  His brother get jealous.  He
    almost gets killed.  He is sold into slavery.  He moves up to a high
    position and then gets wrongly accused.  He winds up in jail.  Again he
    moves to a high position.  He gives interpretation to a dream and winds
    up to a very high position in Egypt.  That position saves his people. 
    This has several instances of what I would perceive as injustice but it
    did seem to work out in God's plan.
886.2ICTHUS::YUILLEHe must increase - I must decreaseThu Apr 18 1996 06:2484
Hi Tim,

Interesting one!  I had to read it through a couple of times ... ;-)

'Injustice' is a negative; a reversal [or absence] of justice.  In order to
understand 'injustice', I need to understand precisely what is meant by
'justice'.  Strictly, I also need to establish whether you are refering to
temporal justice or eternal justice. 

The only absolute is in terms of eternal justice, and in that sense, the
only justice we can receive is judgement.  I am looking forward to
receiving the 'injustice' of mercy, which brings forgiveness, which is very
tongue in cheek, because it is not precisely unjust at all, because He has
paid the price... 

As far as temporal injustice goes - it is dangerous for us to point a finger 
claiming personal injustice, because from the perspective of God's perfection 
He can see the same weakness in us, that we would accuse in others.  And 
if we do not fail in that particular way, it is only that He has shielded 
us from that temptation - so far.  Our (even unspoken) accusation can often 
be a challenge to the enemy, where we step out into (for us) a new battle 
sphere - cf Galatians 6:1 
	"Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual 
	 should restore him gently.  But watch yourself, or you also 
	 may be tempted.  Carry each other's burdens, and in this way
	 you will fulfil the law of Christ."

[Recently we referred to "Love keeps no record of wrongs" 1 Corinthians 13:5 ]

Romans 3:26 speaks of God's offer of salvation as demonstrating His 
justice:
  "so as to be just and the One Who justifies those who have faith in Jesus."

On personal / individual areas of justice, and perceptions of injustice, key 
scriptures include:
	Matthew 6:14, 7:1-5, 18:15-22 and the following parable
	Mark 4:24, 11:25
	Romans 12:14,17-21 (esp. :19)
    Colossians 3:13
	"Bear with each another and forgive whatever grievances you may have 
	 against one another.  Forgive as the LORD forgave you."
    James 2:12-13
	"Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that 
	 gives freedom, because judgement without mercy will be shown to to
	 anyone who has not been merciful.  Mercy triumphs over judgement!"

However, God recognises our limitations, and there is one crucial area 
where He permits what He dislikes.  Does that constitute injustice?  In 
marriage, two individuals give themselves into each other's care in a very 
unique commitment.  This commitment is a spiritual bond made before the
LORD (ie, via His provision of Genesis 2:24, whether any two specific
individuals who unite understand what they are doing or not - cf) 

The severing of the union God has ordained is hateful to the LORD (Malachi 2:16)
but knowing man's weakness, God made provision for recognition of a broken 
relationship, in Matthew 5:32, 19:4-9, where divorce is clearly identified 
as a result of the fall, and a concession to the weakness of mankind, rather 
than according to the original design.

The other situation where divorce is allowed for in the Bible is in 
1 Corinthians 7:15, where a married person becomes saved, and the partner 
finds this intolerable, and is unable to sustain the relationship.


.0 � I am wondering of Injustice is real or perceived.

From the human-human perspective, injustice in general is so prevalent (in
attitude, for a start), that it is often meaningless to focus on a specific
personal grudge. and demand that it be righted.  I suspect that this 
includes many modern-day bitter court cases which result in the exchange 
of vast sums of money - and even, in some instances, prison sentences,
while things that the LORD abhors (James 5:4, as perpetrated by a rich
nation against a poor one, for instance) are ignored.

'Just', and 'justice' are definite realities, and qualities of God.  
'Unjust' and 'Injustice' are also real in this fallen world, but will no 
longer exist in heaven.  So perhaps they are not as real as the positive 
attributes!

I'm afraid I've woffled round the subject some - I hope I've not been 
altogether off the point you meant!

					God bless
							Andrew
886.3XBOM::MOORETim Moore - ridin' without pedalsThu Apr 18 1996 13:5420
Andrew,

Thanks for you reply...

I believe that justice is only held by God,  that we perceive justice only in
the light of God and his grace.  What we would see as 'fair' is not 'fair' to
God but is Just.

Romans 9-11 talk about situations that are not 'fair' in our determination of
justice, but because they are God's choices they are definitionally just.  One
of which is the Jews being held out of God's grace until some time in the future
or the jews be broken off the tree and gentiles being grafted in.

Today, I have also had the thought that the major work of the enemy is to
counter the nature of God.  One of the attributes of God is Justice.  So the
enemy  generates injustice, real and perceived ( no difference ) just to counter
the Justice of God.  After all doesn't he lie and deceive against the truth?

Anyway, more rambling...
Tim
886.4ICTHUS::YUILLEHe must increase - I must decreaseMon Apr 22 1996 06:4314
Amen, Tim!  The world's ideas of fairness and justice are based on a 
transient personal perspective, rather than on any thing permanent and 
solid, but I wasn't quite sure which prespective you wanted to concentrate 
on at first!

� ...the major work of the enemy is to counter the nature of God...

Which is finally neutralised by the work of the LORD Jesus, as per 1 John 3:8

	"The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work."


						God bless
								Andrew