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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

801.0. "Why do we call Him JESUS?" by CIVPR1::STOCK () Wed Sep 20 1995 12:38

        Why do we call Him JESUS?  That name seems to have come about through
    such a roundabout path, from the original Hebrew (or was it Aramaic? 
    Or are they the same name in both?) to Greek, to Latin, to English...  
    And then there are the other languages that spell the name the same,
    but pronounce it much differently (Spanish, for instance).  

    My understanding is that His name is the same as that we translate as
    Joshua (as in the general who followed Moses, and took Jericho).  

    And our Messianic brothers and sisters who call Him Yeshua -- what do
    they call General Joshua?  Is he Yeshua, also, or is his name
    translated differently from our Lords?  I assume "Yeshua" is a little
    bit better attempt at getting the original into English than "Joshua"
    is?  

    Why don't we refer to our Lord as Joshua Bar Joseph?  Or Josh Carpenter,
    for that matter?  

    I'm sure there must be well-documented reasons -- I just don't know
    what they are.  Can anyone help?  

    Thanks/John
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801.1it was God's choiceDYPSS1::DYSERTBarry - Custom Software DevelopmentWed Sep 20 1995 13:1613
    Re: Note 801.0 by CIVPR1::STOCK
    
�        Why do we call Him JESUS?
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�    I'm sure there must be well-documented reasons -- I just don't know
�    what they are.  Can anyone help?  
    
    Matthew 1:21 -> "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His
    name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."
    
    Of course, the name Jesus means "Jehovah saves".
    
    	BD�
801.2You've got it right JohnCPCOD::JOHNSONA rare blue and gold afternoonWed Sep 20 1995 13:4521
      Yes John, you are right. Yeshua is the Hebrew name. Yeshua means 
      salvation. It is sometimes also translated deliverance. What has
      been very exciting for us to see the name Yeshua in the Tanakh (O.T.)
      now that we know what to look for.  I'll bring in some references
      for you, its very awe inspiring as many of the verses are one that
      have been historically applied to prophecy concerning the Messiah,
      and there is His name.  "See the Lord's Yeshua is coming!"

      Yeshua was transliterated to Greek, from there to Latin, and from
      there to the transliteration with which we are all so familiar, Jesus.

      Try the Matthew verse again with a translation instead of transliteration:

      "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name SALVATION
       for He will save His people from their sins."

      I think it would have been better if we'd tranlated his name to Salvation
      in English, but no matter what, by any name, the historical person is
      still our Annointed One, our Deliverer.
      
      Leslie
801.3"Salvation, time to come in for dinner"TOHOPE::VORE_SRaise The StandardWed Sep 20 1995 15:1512
> Yeshua is the Hebrew name. Yeshua means 
>      salvation.

On a side note, but related...

What word did Mary and Joseph use when speaking to him?  If Yeshua, which
means salvation or deliverance, would it have sounded 'odd' to them -  as
if I had named my son 'salvation' instead of 'James'?

Not really important, I guess, just something I've always wondered

-Steven
801.4Not UnusualCPCOD::JOHNSONA rare blue and gold afternoonWed Sep 20 1995 17:519
  Hi Steve,

  Chaim is a Jewish name used today. I just recently read a novel by
  Chaim Potek. Chaim means life in Hebrew. You may have heard "l'chaim"
  sometime used as a toast meaning "to life".  Asher means happy.  I 
  have a friend whose first name is Asher. So my guess is that it would 
  not have sounded strange to them.

  Leslie
801.5ICTHUS::YUILLEHe must increase - I must decreaseThu Sep 21 1995 05:405
I think it would seem strange to early generations that we consider our names
have no meaning!  If you look in a book of names, they find some meaning for
them all.  We have generally forgotten the meaning, and just use them as a tag.

								Andrew 
801.6When in AfricaFORTY2::SIMSI know the good shepherd.Tue Sep 26 1995 07:428
When in Africa this year I met people called: Flower, Grace, Saved, Gift, Okay,
Nobody and God Knows!

The last one caused a bit of a stir!

What's your name?
God Knows
I know God knows, but what is your name!
801.7ICTHUS::YUILLEHe must increase - I must decreaseTue Sep 26 1995 09:463
Hmmmm.... Whatever did they make of Gary!!! ? (and the name ... ;-)

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801.8CSLALL::HENDERSONFriend will you be ready?Tue Sep 26 1995 09:5510


 When I lived in Colorado we had neighbors who had 3 girls named Faith, Hope
 and Charity.




 Jim