Conference yukon::christian_v7

    Sounds like people are going out of their way to be offended.  In any
    case, if you think your job threatened, I would change it to something
    else, like "dependent upon Jesus".  See how that floats.  8^)
    
    Personally, I can see nothing at all wrong with you having a personal
    name of "addicted to Jesus", it is not rude, crude, insulting, dirty,
    or anything negative that is worthy of P&P action.
    
    I stand baffled as to why you are being harassed with this.  My advice
    is to check out the P&P guidelines and see if you are in violation of
    any of them.  If not, then why should you be forced to change your
    P-Name?
    
    Of course, free advice is worth every cent.  8^)
    
    
    -steve

    
    I would remove it joyfully and without regret, being extra kind to
    those who are complaining so that God may be glorified.  It is not
    important that your rights are at stake.  It is important that you take
    an opportunity to glorify God by not being offensive and returning good
    for evil.
    
    jeff

    You could change your p_n to:
    
    "I changed my p_n for Jesus!"
    
    		or
    
    "I changed my p_n to glorify God!"
    
    
    8^)

Hello Joe,

Several of us have used personal names in the past that reflected our love
for the King of kings, where ultimately it has resulted in offense being
taken.  I do not believe that such a personal name is against company
policy; many which are trivial receive no reaction. 

However, the Name of the LORD Jesus is offensive to those who are perishing
(2 Corinthians 2:14-16), as the cross is an offense to them - Galatians
5:11.  The offence is on a personal and individual basis (as is salvation
and condemnation); not on a company basis ;-). 

My view in these circumstances was that the point had been made, and did
not need to be pressed where it had been rejected.  The opening for the
work of the Holy Spirit was made, as the (negative) response indicated.  
Sure, I would have preferred to take the LORD's witness wherever my mail
went, but at least for that time, I felt the door was shut. 

Some feel otherwise, that their right to display a label should proclaim 
the LORD regardless; others have not (yet) had any complaint against their 
personal name.  It's an individual decision.  My advice would be to deal 
gently with those who object.  If the intention is ever to win them for the
LORD, they know your position, and you may possibly have an opening to 
inquire after theirs.  This is more likely to progress to helpful dialogue
if you have displayed a gentleness of spirit with them, than if you have
met them in head-on conflict. 

The fact that the LORD's Name is no longer, then, offered to those who have 
not yet received mail from you is to some degree, regretable.  However, our 
greatest witness is in our lives - how we live before others.  While the 
LORD *can* use the words of a mail personal name to convict, the life lived 
is a much greater influence, and this is what is seen by those closest (who 
are also likely to get the most frequent mail from you).

Joe, for a while at least, every time they see you, or a mail from you, 
that personal name will speak to their hearts.  No need for you to 
verbalise it (or write it!).  They need to have the opportunity to 
distinguish betweeen the writing and the message, in their hearts...

Some would deem this to be letting the LORD down, by not insisting on total
rights in presenting His Name.  I feel that that is making the presentation
an offense, instead of letting the Name speak. 

 - just my opinion!

May God bless and guide you in your way forward.

								Andrew

Get the request explaining the problem in writing, and then do it.

Save the written request (at home).

Begin a log of other discriminatory actions that are taken against you
in the workplace because of your religion.

Document them carefully, on paper, with dates and names, and store them
at home.

You may need them someday.

/john

	Gee, does that mean I can bring back my personal name that I was told
not to use in here or my notes would be hidden? I mean, the p-name broke no
policy, yet people thought it was offensive to them so I was told to change it,
or don't write. 



Glen

I agree that the major issue here is that the name of Jesus is offensive to
those who are perishing.  Unfortunately, you can express many opinions in a
personal name, but not that Jesus is Lord.

You can take a less confrontative approach, that still proclaims Him as Lord,
but doesn't cause people to react.  For many years, when being a Libertarian
was (sadly) more important to me than being a Christian (though I'd never
have said so at the time), my personal name was:

  "Trade Freedom for Security-Lose Both"

When being a Christian became more important, I changed it subtly to:

  "Trade Freedom for His Security-GAIN Both"

I was never hassled about it.  My personal name now is a quote from 1Cor 2:2,
which declares that I'm determined to set NOTHING before Jesus, but it leaves
off the name of Jesus.  I haven't had anyone yet ask me what the "except" is,
but I look forward to it.  Again, I haven't been hassled about it at all.

Paul

    Hi Joe,
    
    Hard to provide advice without knowing a bit more info...
    
    Who is asking you to change it (i.e. do they have authority over you),
    by what authority do they make this "request" (P&P?), and what would
    happen if you didn't comply?
    
    	BD�

    Well, here is a Human Rights issue that I feel strong enough to speak
    to. (Didn't take me lond to get unsilent, did it?  :-)  ) Joe, I really
    can't understand why your p_n could be offensive and don't see how
    "they" whoever "they" are can ask you to change it. This really bothers
    me. I've had some strange and possibly offensive ones in the past and
    was never asked to change. The only possibility I could see would be if
    you regularly deal with customers that might not be Christians and if
    you deal with them via E-MAIL. Those people might be offended and that
    might cost the company money. Then you could be asked to change the
    p_n. Not saying it's right, but it is how much of the world works. I
    remember when Operation Desert Shield/Storm was going on. There were
    some news about and guidelines as to what we could send over to help
    the troops' morale. There was a "forbidden list". Stuff on the list
    supposedly offended Muslims and therefore was considered verboten. This
    may or may not be the case. Just a possibility. Muslims, Jews, and
    Hindus and any other religions feel that their beliefs are the Truth,
    just as Christians do and they might be offended by your declaration
    when they don't see it that way.
    
    My own oppinion is that I'm certainly not offended by your declaration
    of your Faith and feel you should be allowed to do so in the context
    of you p_n and in other ways also. It should be OK so long as it
    doesn't interfere with your production or with others' production and
    that should be it.
    
    Just some random thoughts and back to quietness,
    
    Bright Blessings,
    
    PJ 

    
    Hi Joe,
    
    This has happened to me as well as some of my friends here at DEC.
    Actually it's happened to me twice within my team.
    
    The first time I had seen a Grateful Dead bumper sticker in the
    parking lot and got to thinking about it and came up with the
    slogan "The only grateful dead are christians."  (because they
    are not spiritually dead, only physically).  It was strange.  There 
    was a Buddist in my group who took offense, not for himself but for 
    his family who were Jewish.  I changed my name but let him know that 
    I didn't have to.  I also took the opportunity to engaged him in 
    some discussion and was told that christians were to blame for the 
    holocaust and the door was abruptly shut by him.  
    
    The next time...I was confronted by what I would term as a
    militant evolutionist.  He constantly wears t-shirts about 
    evolution.  This is a guy who tore down a poster about a christian 
    play which had been approved by personnel and continued to berate 
    this person in the Colorado notefile.  I forget what my p-name was 
    at time - perhaps it was "and at the name of Jesus every knee shall
    bow."  But this guy sent me mail saying that this was offensive to 
    him and he shouldn't have to be subjected to in on business-related 
    mail.  He suggested that I send different p-name dependent on the 
    type of mail.  He had changed his own p-name for that message to 
    a quote by Tom Eidson "All religion is bunk".   I replied that I 
    disagreed and that everyone sent out all kinds of mail with personal 
    statements on it and if this had been an atheist quote he would have 
    had no problem with it.  I said I would change it however, as it was 
    not my desire to offend him.  I changed it temporarily to a quote 
    by Aldous Huxley, Darwin's bulldog and political powerhouse, something 
    about "I had reasons for not wanting people to believe in God..." it 
    was about being able to justify his own desires and wants.  My mail to 
    him included the full quote.  He never pushed it further.  After a week 
    I went to name,phone,and team on that system which I only use for 
    business now.  I have other systems that I use and personalize my 
    p_name on them.  And to date we have a good working relationship. 
    Although sometimes he engages me in discussion on things he specifially
    knows I don't believe in to get a rise out of me.  I usually don't
    give him the satisfaction.  
    
    Jill
    
    

You could always translate your personal name into Latin.

Peter.

	I had mine in veitnamese and was still told by the people in here to
change it. Yet some of these same people are saying it should be allowed for
this other person. Double standard if I ever saw one.



Glen

    Who told you to change it?  We said it wasn't appropriate for this
    conference.  You can use it, but it sure looks hypocritical noting as a
    Christian and appearing to worship the devil at the same time.
    
    Get a grip Glen.

| <<< Note 729.13 by JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze" >>>

| Who told you to change it?  We said it wasn't appropriate for this conference.
| You can use it, but it sure looks hypocritical noting as a Christian and 
| appearing to worship the devil at the same time.

	Nancy, Diablo is not the p-name I was TOLD to change. Toi eyu ung was.
In veitnamese it means, I love men. The p-name does not go against company
policy. Yet I was told to change it. Different circumstances means a different
set of rules it would seem.

	BTW, about Diablo. I think the key words here are, "intent of the
author, not of those who state the intent without knowing the facts"

| Get a grip Glen.

	Everytime I move I fill one Nancy. :-)  But I ain't gonna be moving for
quite some time! :-)


Glen

    I had my mail personal name set to "Equal Rights for Unborn Women", and
    someone complained to my manager, but refused to identify themselves to
    me.  My manager asked me to change it, and I refused.  My manager
    upheld my right to refuse, apparently as I was not breaking any policy.
    
    I then changed it to "Unequal Rights for Unborn Women?".
    
    James

    I see two personal name settings.  The mail personal name is what the
    base note is speaking of.  The notes personal name is what Glen is
    speaking of.  I would say that a notes personal name should be
    constrained by any restrictions placed on the notes conference in which
    it is used.  I consider a notes personal name attached to a note in a
    conference to be a part of the note text, as is the title, date, node
    name and username.
    
    Even a username SCHMENDRICK forms part of the overall communication. 
    If SCHMENDRICK translates to something which goes against the rules of
    this conference, then the username SCHMENDRICK, if it were changeable,
    should be changed in order to avoid breaking the rules.
    
    James

	Gee.... double standards. both are personal names. but restrictions
seem to apply for some, but shouldn't be there for others..... 

    Glen,

    I remember this incident.

    I would say that Peter (Bell) may have been 'out of line' to suggest
    that our base-noter translate his p-n to latin. If you look closely,
    you will notice that Peter's p-n is latin 'Caritas Patins Est' which
    basically translates to "Love is Patient" or more correctly "Charity is
    Patient". 'caritas' being the latin translation of the greek 'agap�'.

    Anyway, my cut on this would be that our base-noter aquiesce in this
    matter, and select another personal-name.

    My other cut on this is that you, Glen, would be better spending your
    time seeking a closer walk with Jesus, than in petty banter about an
    incident that is some three years old.

    Harry

    
    .17
    
    Glen, 
    
    I honestly don't believe there is a double standard.  You are talking
    about two different forums that have different rules governing them.
    A double standard is when rules are applied differently within the
    same forum.  A notes conference has it own set of rules.  Digital
    has some standard rules that it defines, but then the conference is
    defined even further by the moderators.  This is not unfair, simply
    fact.
    
    Jill

    Thanks much for all the advice, bro's and sisters. I changed it for now
    to "Don't make me think, it hurts too much"
      But I am still thinking about what I can do to subtly express my
    affection for the king. A LOT of great advice here, and I have taken it
    all in. 
      For the person who asked who told me to change it, the facilities
    manager, and another facilities person asked me to. They had recieved
    complaints about the p_n from someone(s) unidentified. As far as my job
    being at stake or other restituative action, I'm not exactly sure. The
    facilities guys didn't seem too concerned about it, just that I was
    apparently offending someone.
      Actually, the idea to change it to Latin sounded O.K. to me, but the
    only problem is the only latin phrase I know is "e pluribus unum"
    Any suggestions?
    
    
    Thanks again,
    
    Joe
    

Hello Joe,

For a long time now I've left my 'wokring' mail personal name as my dtn and
mailstop, but that's not fixed!  I would suggest asking the LORD for the 
right verse or thought to be used for Him to reach those who are ready...

You might see some ideas on people's notes personal names here...

I like Gary's - "I know the Good Shepherd", but even that might be 'too' 
obvious following on the objections.  Government mail here used to have 
'OHMS' printed on the envelope, for 'On His (her) Majesty's Service'.  
If there were some similar item in your country, with that potential of 
pointing to the King of kings, you could append it to your name.

You could use something like "Forgiven" - with or without a suitable 
reference, such as Romans 8:1...

But you need to find your own, and it's late here!

					God bless
							Andrew

| <<< Note 729.18 by BBQ::WOODWARDC "between the Glory and the Flame" >>>




| My other cut on this is that you, Glen, would be better spending your time 
| seeking a closer walk with Jesus, than in petty banter about an incident that 
| is some three years old.

	Gee Harry... so many people hate when someone brings the same situation
up that was handled differently. My guess is you could be one of them. It's the
same Harry, and there have only been a couple of people in here who have said
that the name should be changed, while the rest have said differently. Being
hypocritical is not a good thing. 

    Glen (.22)

	your attempt at accusing me of hypocrisy fails miserably.

	Yes, I was one of the Moderators that insisted you change your p-n
	- as it was (and still is) offensive.

	If you look closely in my .18 (which you quoted from) you will
	see...

>    Anyway, my cut on this would be that our base-noter aquiesce in this
>    matter, and select another personal-name.

	Gee? I asked you to change your p-n, I suggested that the p-n be
	changed this time? Wow! Am I ever a hypocrite!

    God Bless you Glen,

		       Harry

| <<< Note 729.23 by BBQ::WOODWARDC "between the Glory and the Flame" >>>


| your attempt at accusing me of hypocrisy fails miserably.

	I did not accuse you of hypocrisy, so you are right it failed
miserable... cuz it never happened. You have said in this string that he should
change his p-name, which is what you said to me before. In .22 I even said
there were only a couple of people who have said that the name should be
changed, and it was taken from your very note. I thought it was a given that
you would see that you were one of the people. I guess I was wrong. 

	I did say being hypocritcal was bad though....

| >    Anyway, my cut on this would be that our base-noter aquiesce in this
| >    matter, and select another personal-name.

| Gee? I asked you to change your p-n, I suggested that the p-n be
| changed this time? Wow! Am I ever a hypocrite!

	If you say so..... but I didn't say it.


Glen

    .24
    
    No but the implication was there.  I saw it... and so did Harry.
    
    Nancy shaking her head ...

	How about "Jesus: 2 legit 2 quit!"

| <<< Note 729.25 by JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze" >>>



| No but the implication was there.  I saw it... and so did Harry.

	Nancy, you saw what you wanted to see. The implication was not there
towards Harry. You can think it is all you want, but then it won't match the
reality of the situation.


Glen

	Add me to the "seeing things that aren't there" category, then, too.

	Joe, how about "In God we trust" ???  I'd be quite interested to
	see how you could be made to change that!

	As for the personal name issue...

	I don't think Joe should be required to change his, unless there
	is a specific Digital policy that he is in violation of, that could
	then be applied to *ALL* mail personal names.  

	I feel the same way for notes personal names, to an extent.  
	Where notesfiles are topic based, there is more likelihood of
	a personal name being used to convey a specific message to a specific
	target audience.  As James said, notes personal names are almost
	a part of the text.  If the name can be construed as targeting the
	reading audience, as a form of harrassment or taunting, then 
	I believe it should be handled the same was as the text of the
	note.

	As an example, this guidelines for this conference state that
	we believe the bible to be the inerrant Word of God.  If someone
	began noting in here with a personal name proclaiming, "The bible
	is hogwash!", that name could be construed as intended harrassment
	of the members of this conference.  I would not be opposed to
	moderator action in that case.  Likewise, there is one topic that
	we have agreed to not discuss in this conference.  Overt or subtle
	references to such a topic could also be construed as failure to
	adhere to conference guidelines, and again, I would not be opposed
	to moderator action.

	Karen

	Gee..... another double standard. For mail, you don't take into
consideration anyone elses feelings, yet in notes, you do. Double standard,
plain and simple.

No, Glen, it's not a double standard, in fact the problem here is quite the
opposite - the problem is that there is a *SINGLE* standard, and that you
won't accept that standard.  The fact that you utterly refuse to accept that
single standard is what makes you completely unable to understand what anyone
here tries to tell you.

And until you accept that single standard, you never will.

Paul

�	Joe, how about "In God we trust" ???  I'd be quite interested to
�	see how you could be made to change that!

Who _is_ the God - or god - referred to by many users of this currency ... ?  
I've heard that one discussed some too...

 - just a point of interest - I was in agreement generally, in the 
conference interactive area.

							Andrew

Hello Glen,

The difference in significance between personal names in mail an in notes
is an interesting point, and one which really has to be taken in context.
The different standards apply between them because mail is usually a general, 
characterless medium as regards employee individuality, while notes - 
especially employee interest note - has a very specific target area.

So if I received an occasional mail from someone, whose personal name was
mildly offensive to me (eg "Brits are rubbish", or "Beautiful
Basingstoke"), I would not feel that it was personally directed.  However,
if one of these were the notes personal name of someone who habitually
communicated in, say the RDGENG::READING conference, it might be perceived
as less than tactful, especially if it were changed to this only after they 
started communicating there, or if it were different in other places where 
they noted, if they used, for instance :
Notes> SET PROFILE/TEMP/PERS="Beautiful Basingstoke"

That sort of action is different from getting, say, the occasional mail 
broadcast from someone who has it sert as his mail personal name, in which 
case you would assume that they were possibly trying to convince 
themselves, or come to terms with a difficult personal situation....

The significance of 'saying the words' depends on where and how you say 
them, and mail and notes personal names might look the same casually, but 
there are differences!

I don't know how to put it more plain and simply than that today, which is
a somewhat blurred one for me. 

							Andrew 

| <<< Note 729.30 by PAULKM::WEISS "For I am determined to know nothing, except..." >>>


| No, Glen, it's not a double standard, in fact the problem here is quite the
| opposite - the problem is that there is a *SINGLE* standard, and that you
| won't accept that standard.  

	Can we talk about that in here now? 

| The fact that you utterly refuse to accept that single standard is what makes 
| you completely unable to understand what anyone here tries to tell you.

	Paul, even if I did accept that single standard, I would still view it
as I do. 

| <<< Note 729.32 by ICTHUS::YUILLE "He must increase - I must decrease" >>>


| The difference in significance between personal names in mail an in notes
| is an interesting point, and one which really has to be taken in context.
| The different standards apply between them because mail is usually a general,
| characterless medium as regards employee individuality, while notes - 
| especially employee interest note - has a very specific target area.

	Notes and mail can be detailed for specific topics, can be used to
communicate information, can be used to have fun with. I could send out a
report to top level managers on something, or I could send mail to a friend.
Both use a p-name. Notes can be fun, notes can be specific and include a class
of people. Both are the same. 



Glen

    Hi Joe, (RE: .20)

    For assistance in 'things' Latin, try SMURF::SPQR (press KP7, etc.)

    Hthy,

	Ron

	Jesus is with me Andy, so I'm far from being alone.

    
    One of my fav p-names that I had and don't remember getting any flack
    over was:
    
    Eternity..your choice...Smoking or Non-Smoking.
    
    Jill ;'D

I see that we're practicing for the porkine opera, again, eh?

Why waste the bandwidth?

    Re: Note 729.28 by CNTROL::JENNISON
    
>   As James said, notes personal names are almost a part of the text.
    
    Um, actually I said that they were... I don't think I said almost.
    I said I considered them as part of the text.
    
    James

    Re: Note 729.29 by BIGQ::SILVA
    
    /me chuckles

    .26 and .38  I like them!!
    
    
    Thanks,
    Joe

| <<< Note 729.41 by AUSSIE::CAMERON "And there shall come FORTH (Isaiah 11:1)" >>>


| /me chuckles


	Does this mean that you're a jelly type of candy covered in sugar????

	Or are you Chuckles the clown from the Mary Tyler Moore show? :-)


Glen

    
    
    > You could always trsnslate your personal name into latin.
    
    > Peter.
    
    Great! That is exactly what I did. I opened the latin conference and
    asked someone to translate it for me, and someone did! Thanks to all.
    My next one will probably be "your eternity...smoking or non-smoking?"
    like someone suggested.
    
    
    
    Joe
    

    	With the growing use of internet utilities, one might want to
    	consider putting nothing but concise identification in the
    	p-name string.  Some BBS and internet routers use the p-name
    	and not the mail address as the "from" line when it gets
    	passed on to the recipient.
    
    	Has anyone noticed that when they send mail from notes (as in
    	SEND/AUTH or FORW, etc) that their notes-p-name gets used instead
    	of their mail p-name?

    Re: Note 729.43 by BIGQ::SILVA
    
>	Does this mean that you're a jelly type of candy covered in sugar????
>	Or are you Chuckles the clown from the Mary Tyler Moore show? :-)
    
    Te he.  Both of your references are lost on me.  I've heard neither of
    that candy nor that show.
    
    No, "/me chuckles" is what you type in IRC to indicate to all on your
    current channel that you chuckle.  It appears for the others on your
    channel as 
    
    * Nickname chuckles
    
    Where Nickname is replaced with your nickname.  It saves you having to
    remember your own nickname, since some people change it, and some
    people have really long ones.
    
    James

	You haven't heard of the tv show OR the candy???? How old are you???

 I'm not sure age is the issue, Glen.  Many people note in here from other parts
 of the world..Mr Cameron from Australia, for example, and, some don't watch
 or own TV (Mr. Cameron being one, as I recall).



 Jim

    Jim,

    re: James...

    Australian - correct

    No TV - also correct

    as for 'chuckles' - I'm as 'lost' as James - although, being an Aussie
    (fortunately) myself, I also do (unfortunately) own a TV. I do know who
    MTM (she was Dick van Dyke's "wife", yes?) is, but Chuckles is lost on
    me.

    Different 'cultures' I guess ;')

    GBY,

	Harry

    Re: Note 729.47 by BIGQ::SILVA
    
>	You haven't heard of the tv show OR the candy???? How old are you???
    
    Yes, I had not heard of either.  I am 31 years old.  How old are you?
    
    James

| <<< Note 729.50 by AUSSIE::CAMERON "And there shall come FORTH (Isaiah 11:1)" >>>



| I am 31 years old.  How old are you?

	33...... sigh... :)

Youngsters all .... I'm 47, and was born in '47.  It was a good vintage.  
For some  ;-)

    Andrew,
    
    born in '47 - my father was born in '47......that means you *are* old
    :-) :-)
    
    
    Kym_the_young

Kym!!!!   Such disrespect!  And to your dear father, no less!!!!  I tremble
as I see the fulfillment of the last days ... 2 Timothy 3:, Romans 1:30 -
where children lightly dismiss the wisdom of their ancestors.... 

It came as strange to me, to realise that the social and political
landmarks of my life were seen by my offspring as historical events...

One day, Kym, you too may reach the years of maturity.  Like Harry wants to (?)
I'm still hoping myself...

							&rew

    Hey, as far as I am considered, you are ALL old! 
    I'm only 19! Hee hee hee!
    
    :@)
    
    Joe
    

    
    Are you really Joe?
    

    
    I'm old (37) and I've got lots of hair left.
    
    jeff

	You're right Jeff...

Ah youth, little does youth realize what the true gifts of maturity are:
a realization that life is wonderful, complex, rich, hard, disappointing
sometimes, a struggle, a loss, a gain, humbling, uplifting, and that our 
time here is fleet and brief, and its a true wonder that God is mindful of us!
Psalm 90 is a good one for you to ponder on.

Leslie

:-)

 I'm not old, I'm only 44!

    For those that think I am lying:
    
    As surely as the Lord lives, I am 19 years old, and married. I don't
    mean to make anyone feel old. One thing to remember, though is that we
    all shall never die, bexcause we are in Christ. It doesn't matter how
    many years we attain here on this earth.
    
    :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)) :) (:
    
    Joe
    

729.55 � I'm only 19! 

	Never mind, Joe; Time will bring you maturity.  Possibly.
	(were you the one with the double chin in .61?)

729.60 � I'm not old, I'm only 44!

		And you, Jim...

� -< Satan's attack, or company policy? >-

I don't think there is any company policy about aging.  
And while it is the result of sin, I wouldn't call it Satan's attack either.....

Every year brings us that much closer to the meeting face to face.  
And every minute, come to that.

Use them well, folks...

								Andrew

Oh! Ray! - You're a few months ahead of me!  
	Let me know if it's not the way to go ... ;-)

								Andrew

Happy birthday, Ray!

 Yes, indeed...Happy Birthday, Ray!

    Well, that didn't last long. 
    The facilities manager said that it is digital policy that there is no
    religious or political affiliations in these things, and that "IESUI ME
    ADDICO" is still unacceptable.
    
    AAARRRGGGHHH!
    
    Joe
    

 Yikes...

                  re: <<< Note 729.67 by DECWET::MCCLAIN >>>

Joe,

>    Well, that didn't last long. 
>    The facilities manager said that it is digital policy that there is no
>    religious or political affiliations in these things, and that "IESUI ME
>    ADDICO" is still unacceptable.
    
Can he specifically cite where in the Orange Book, or other Official Corporate
Document, this alleged policy is specified? I've never heard of such a thing!

Brian

Policy 6.54 says that Digital's electronic media will not be used to
harass other employees.

Apparently either the facility manager or someone who complained to
the facility manager feels harassed by your message.

If someone feels harassed by your expression of religion, then only
the civil courts can resolve the issue.  Digital wants to stay out of
the courts wherever possible.

On the other hand, you could go to court and claim to be the one being
harassed.  You would have to collect, as evidence, the personal names
used by lots of other people (in mail, not in notes, the media are
different) to show that Digital allows others to do what they are
forbidding you to do.

But you would probably lose the case, and maybe your job as well.

/john

<---but I bet that wouldn't stop YOU John!!!! :-) 

    I'm not old...

<--- you're a founding father Steve, you most certainly ARE old! :-)

    Old is a relative term, Glen.  8^)

    Hi all,
    
    This is a matter a great concern, but also of great joy, Know this that
    Jesus said " as they did to me they will do to you, a servent is not
    greater than he's master, If they persecuted me they will persecute
    you!"
    
    
    God Bless you all for you indurence and long suffering in Christ.
    I will Pray for you all knowing that the prayers of the rightous
    prevails much.
    
    Frank