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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

721.0. "Simplicity that is in Christ." by FORTY2::SIMS (I know the good shepherd.) Fri May 05 1995 06:10

This came up in our house group meeting last night:

2 Corinthians 11

  3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in
Christ.


How often do we try and make our walk with the Lord complex? Have you ever heard
yourself saying "but it can't be that simple"! Do you have any testimonies of
how simply Jesus deals with your life?

A few months back I was in a situation when I had dreamed up a whole set of
conditions that I had to meet before I could do something. I thought to myself
"I am not this, I haven't done that" This was becoming a burden to me and
stoping me furfill the task the Lord had given me. Finally He stepped in and
reminded my of his words on the cross:

John 19

  30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished:
and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

"IT IS FINISHED" what a revalation, He has done all the work, I was removing the
power of the cross, I was being "corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ"


Gary.
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721.1USAT05::BENSONEternal WeltanschauungFri May 05 1995 09:398
    
    It seems Paul is comparing, in this passage, the simplicity of purity
    and devotion to Christ in contrast to (or in concern for) a false (and
    probably complex set of rules - possibly the Law) gospel being
    preached (or concerned that it will be preached) to the Corinthians. 
    Those Judaizers were everywhere (still are!).
    
    jeff
721.2POWDML::FLANAGANI feel therefore I amFri May 05 1995 12:0114
    Christian simplicity for me is
    
    "To love God with all one's heart, soul, and mind,
    and to love one's neighbors as themself."
    
    
    How many times is that simple commandment recorded in scripture?
    For me it is the very essence of what it means to be Christian!
    
    
                                  Patricia
                                  
    
    
721.3JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeFri May 05 1995 13:0625
    Agreed it is the "essence" of what it means to be a Christian.  But it
    is not how one becomes a Christian.
    
    People from all faiths may have common morality, but that does not
    makea Buddhist a Christian, nor a Christian a Moslem.  We need to
    recognize that morality is *not* always a result of one's faith, but
    may be a result of one's upbringing outside of any church or doctrinal
    affiliation.
    
    I know many agnostics that practice caring or loving their neighbors,
    but that does not make them a Christian.  
    
    I think it is key to remember that being Christian and having Christian
    traits are entirely different things.
    
    On the same hand, I find there are times that Christians will behave as
    though they lack the love of Christ in them.  And you can bet your
    sweet bippy that there will be someone to point a finger in their
    direction to call them hypocrite.
    
    It is important that as Christians [those who have placed their WHOLE
    faith in Christ as Savior] remember this... we are on display and while
    others can exhibit their humanity, *we* are held to a higher standard.
    
    Nancy
721.4Deceptive Teaching Versus the truth of MessiahMTHALE::JOHNSONA rare blue and gold afternoonFri May 05 1995 14:4999
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     There are some good observations here.  However, I'm not so sure in 
     this case that Paul was necessarily singling out Judaizers (those who 
     taught that in order for God to receive someone as righteous they must 
     convert to Judaism and uphold all of Jewish halacha (rules, laws, 
     etcetera)).  
   
     And I also think there is a bit more here than just saying the gospel 
     message is simple ... I think there is an important point to be made
     about purity of motive.
     
     After skimming most of II Corinthians & some of I Corinthians to 
     refresh my recollection, I see this as Paul defending his ministry to 
     the Corinthians.  It sounds like there were those who were trying to 
     convince the Corinthian believers that Paul was a not a valid 
     spokesperson (ambassador, apostle) for the Lord, and that his message 
     was only for the purpose of promoting Paul and could be dismissed.
     (Paul's earlier letters to the Corinthians were probably somewhat 
     uncomfortable for them because he'd had to write somewhat sternly to 
     correct a lot of sinful behavior and practices.  Corinth was a bustling
     place with people from all backgrounds & a great deal of paganism)

     I understand Paul to be saying that in fact, his gospel message was
     only for the purpose of bringing them to salvation in Yeshua, and that
     he, Paul, had no ulterior motives of his own, but only wanted them to 
     know their Redeemer through whom they had life everlasting and forgiveness
     from sin.  He contrasts this with those, who for whatever reason,
     are teaching something else, and puffing themselves up trying to amass 
     followers (and power & wealth) for themselves rather than revealing 
     Yeshua to the people.

     Here is the verse again which I've cut from Gary's original note:

     2 Corinthians 11:3

     But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
     subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in
     Christ.
     
     I looked up the words translated subtilty and simplicity here in the
     Greek Lexicon & Dictionary in the back of the NAS Bible we have.
     
         1) subtilty

         The Greek is pan-oorg-ee-ah and means crafty trickery or sophistry.
         Sophistry is a plausible but misleading or deceptive argument 
         containing fundamental errors in reasoning.

         2) simplicity

         The Greek is hap-lot-ace and it has some different variations in mean-
         ing which might be summed up as "faithful benevolence out of proper 
         motivation".  It's the opposite of deliberate deception.  Some of its
         variations are simplicity, purity, sincerity, faithfulness, plenitude,
         manifest in helpfulness and giving assistance to others.

     Now I'll try to summarize.  When the serpent deceived Eve, he did so with
     reasoning and arguments that sounded plausible, but were really meant to 
     divert her from obedience and loyalty to, and trust in God.  The serpent 
     made it sound like he was offering something good to Eve when, in fact, 
     he was leading her to death.

     Paul is afraid that the Corinthian believers may be led away from Yeshua 
     by those who offer reasonable sounding, but false teaching that is being 
     done, not to benefit the Corinthians, but because of ulterior motives
     the false teachers have.  The true message about the Messiah is a message
     that is trustworthy and only (simply) for their benefit.

     Leslie


     PS.  For me, the 'simplicity" of the gospel is summed up in these two 
          wonderful pieces of scripture:

          John 3:16  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten
          Son that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal 
          life.

          Ephesians 3:14-19  For this reason, I bow my knees before the Father
          from whom every family in heaven and on earth derives its name, that
          He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be
          strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner person so 
          that Messiah may dwell in your hearts through faith, and that
          you, being rooted and grounded in love, may be able to comprehend
          the breadth and length and height and depth, and to know the love
          of Messiah which surpasses all knowledge that you may be filled up 
          to all the fulness of God.
          
          (these are from the NAS, I like the NIV & REB versions of the 
           Ephesians passage a little better, but don't have them with me)
721.5Paul was not motivated by concern for his own reputationCUJO::SAMPSONSat May 06 1995 13:272
	I also find it noteworthy that Paul rejoiced that the true Gospel
was being preached, even by those whose motives he called into question!
721.6MTHALE::JOHNSONA rare blue and gold afternoonMon May 08 1995 09:147
Right, Paul.  And I think Paul's concern for his reputation was not concern
for his personal status but that his important and truthful message might be
rejected because of a perceived lack of his authority in this area, so he
defends himself only to make sure that his message is not rejected.

Leslie

721.7NETCAD::PICKETTDavid - This all seems oddly familiar...Wed May 10 1995 09:1527
    This is a great topic.  I am working with friends that are having
    difficulty with the simplicity of the Gospel message of Christ.  A
    bible study of Colossians is a great start in this regard.  In
    Colossians, Paul deals with a church seeking a 'more complete' form of
    Christianity.  In their efforts to promote adherence to OT law and
    custom as an additional requirement for salvation, they denegrate the
    work of Christ, and the victory won on the cross.
    
    Legalism destorys faith, since it places trust in the law, and diminishes
    the glory due Christ for His work.
    
    .2 suggests that the essence of being a Christian is loving one another
    as we love ourselves.  This commandment is certainly well founded in
    scripture, since Christ indicated that this is the greatest commandment
    of all.  I would, however, describe the essence of Christianity in
    terms of the gospel, and not the law.
    
    I believe the essence of being a Christian is the joy over forgiveness
    of sin.  This joy comes from the living Word of God - Christ.  The Word
    judges me with the law, and then forgives me with the gospel.
    
    As I have stated in other places in this conference, the only purpose
    of the law is to accuse.  It acts as a mirror to ours sins.  We cannot
    earn forgiveness by adherence to the law.  Any God Pleasing work I do
    cannot be construed as my adherence to the law, but is attributable ONLY
    to the Holy Spirit working within me, since, according to Hebrews, without
    faith I cannot please God.