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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

660.0. "Bible Quotes for UU's" by POWDML::FLANAGAN (I feel therefore I am) Mon Jan 16 1995 11:51

    Romans 2:14-16
    
    When Gentiles who do not possess the law, do instinctively what the law
    requires these, though not having the law are a law to themselves.
    
    They Show that what the law requires is written on their hearts to
    which their own conscience also bears witness and their competing
    thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when according
    to my Gopsel God, through Jesus Christ will judge the secret thoughts
    of all.
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660.1spiritual not literalPOWDML::FLANAGANI feel therefore I amMon Jan 16 1995 11:538
    Romans 2 28-29
    
    For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly nor is true circumcism
    something external or physical.
    
    Rather a person is a Jew who is one inwardly and real circumcism is a
    matter of the heart.  It is spiritual and not literal.  Such a person
    receives praise not from others but from God.
660.2MKOTS3::JMARTINI lied; I hate the fat dinosaurMon Jan 16 1995 16:4211
    This was a key discussion in my Sunday School class a few weeks ago. 
    Patricia is correct in that to be born in one of the tribes of Israel
    does not mean one is Jewish.  If you remember in John 8 I believe
    (maybe 10), Jesus spoke to the pharisees of their father NOT being
    Abraham, but actually the devil himself.  Romans is an excellent 
    commentary of how one is justified, not by the works of the law but of
    faith.  This would mean that one is not justified by works, but by
    faith!
    
    -Jack
660.3POWDML::FLANAGANI feel therefore I amMon Jan 16 1995 17:112
    I don't understand how this relates to the two quotes from Romans?
660.4Topic Title: Bible Quotes for UU'sAUSSIE::CAMERONAnd there shall come FORTH (Isaiah 11:1)Mon Jan 16 1995 19:213
    What's a UU?  Please define your acronymns.
    
    James
660.5CSLALL::HENDERSONLearning to leanMon Jan 16 1995 21:075



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660.6MKOTS3::JMARTINI lied; I hate the fat dinosaurTue Jan 17 1995 16:5316
    Patricia:
    
    In the next chapter, Paul states, "What profit is there to be a Jew, or
    what benefit is there in the circumcision?  Much in every way, for they
    are committed to the oracles of God"  Later on Paul makes an argument
    regarding justification by the law as opposed to faith...faith wins in
    the end.  In closing, he states that there is no advantage to be a Jew
    rather than a greek (gentile), for the one is one over all.
    
    If you look at the context of Romans 2,3 and 4, Paul is stating that
    outward circumcision does NOT necessarily make one a Jew.  This is what
    you referred to in your verse.  It is a circumcision of the heart that
    counts.  The mark of the Lord or circumcision of the heart is in direct
    correlation to faith.
    
    -Jack