Title: | The CHRISTIAN Notesfile |
Notice: | Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165 |
Moderator: | ICTHUS::YUILLE ON |
Created: | Tue Feb 16 1993 |
Last Modified: | Fri May 02 1997 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 962 |
Total number of notes: | 42902 |
I was reading a magazine today--Newsweek, and it was talking about people getting closer to God, etc. and things that they did. One thing that a lady did was that she had a altar that I guess she prayed at daily. Yes, she had some Christian things on it, but also some new age stuff, etc. When I get home I'm going to see what information the bible has on altar's. ie how they were used, etc. I know that the old testament talks about them. And of course there are altars in church. What are your opinions on having a altar, or sacred place in your home where you spend your quiet time, etc and what would you have there. Is there a reason why you would feel it wrong to have such a place. The lady in question had things that I certainly wouldn't use and some that seem ok. (a hebrew scripture verse, a angel, a "crystal ball", etc) Having a special place to be alone with God seems good to me, but what about an altar? I've been down the wrong path before in regard to "mild" occult stuff and new age stuff, and am very leary about starting something new without knowing more about it, etc. Anyhoo, if you have an opionion I'd like to hear it. And why you feel the way you do. Donna
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638.1 | more on altars | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Wed Nov 30 1994 19:30 | 20 |
There are a couple of different types of altars in the Bible. The stone altars are discussed in Exodus 20:24-26. Interesting to note that only uncut stones could be used. This is because there is to be no work involved on our part for our atonement. I think it is also a testimony to God's grace that He temporarily accepted the shed blood of animals on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement - once a year) for the atonement for our sin. Another beautiful fact connects the event of Genesis 22 with Christ's death on Calvary: both events took place on the same mountain ridge in Jerusalem overlooking the Kidron Valley. God told Abraham to go there for a very good reason, then told him that God Himself would become the lamb. The other type is the Altar of Sacrifice used in the Tabernacle and then in the Temple. It is discussed in Exodus 27. It should be pointed out that it was made of bronze, which always symbolizes judgment in God's Word. Mike | |||||
638.2 | ICTHUS::YUILLE | Thou God seest me | Thu Dec 01 1994 06:33 | 90 | |
Hi Donna, First you need to think about what an altar is, before you can decide whether it's appropriate for you to have one. An altar is a place for a sacrifice to be offered. In the Old Testament, under the First Covenant, sacrifices were offered to God for the people's sins, both consciously and unconsciously committed. Israel was warned severely against sacrificing to any other than God, Who revealed Himself to them (eg Deuteronomy 13:6-18). When the tribes who lived east of the Jordan built a 'token' altar, not for sacrifice, but to show their unity with the rest of Israel (in Joshua 22:10...), it nearly precipitated civil war, as at first it looked like renegade worship. The place for the altar was in the presence of the God to whom the sacrifices were being made - ie, once it was built, in the temple (built for God to dwell in). Before that, it was in the tabernacle, or wherever God was being specially sought. All these sacrifices were a picture of the sacrifice of the LORD Jesus to come, as Hebrews 10 explains; those animal sacrifices couldn't touch their sins, but they could express their faith. Hebrews 9:27-28 : "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgement, so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many people; and He will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him." ie - an altar is no longer relevant, as the sacrifice for sins is complete. Some churches like to call the place where they celebrate communion an altar, because there they are specifically remembering Jesus' sacrifice. That is a little like the Joshua 22 example, in that it is not for actual sacrifices in this era. However, there are sacrifices which are relevant now, as Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service." 1Peter 2:5 "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." This tells us what the sacrifice is, and where the altar and temple are. 'The temple' is now the believer 1 Corinthians 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 1 Corinthians 6:19 "What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" The temple is each of us who are the dwelling place of the Holy Spirit; the altar is each of us, the sacrifices are also our bodies - the use of them etc, even what we think, as in : 2 Corinthians 10:5 "Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;" That last phrase is the one ... : "...bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ" Donna, guess you have an altar, like the rest of us, which you take around with you, as part of you, and whenever a thought pops into yuor mind, it gets run past the filter for the LORD to check it out, and if it doesn't grieve the Holy Spirit within, it gets on the agenda.... If it does grieve the Holy Spirit, it gets burnt up as a sacrifice. Now maybe some people would find it comfortable to make a private corner at home, where they keep, maybe a Bible or text on display etc, and a Bible reading log / notebook, etc, where they regularly have their daily quiet time. They might find this a suitable place / time to bring particular problems before the LORD, including things they feel they 'ought' to sacrifice, but find difficult. They might privately think of this as their 'altar', but I would beware of making too big a thing of it, as we are called to worship and sacrifice - in terms of personal commitment and walk with the LORD - continually, as we walk with Him, and big sacrifice-type situations are liable to catch us when we're not poised in front of our 'altar' - nor able to get to it necessarily... God bless Andrew | |||||
638.3 | ...or perspectives in priority. | TOKNOW::METCALFE | Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers | Thu Dec 01 1994 08:52 | 14 |
I have known several elderly people who have had a prayer seat to which they go and sit and talk to God. Andrew's caution about making too big a thing out of it is well-taken in the balance of things, but sanctifying certain things is not a bad thing either. Just like singing the doxology can become rote and meaningless, so too can a prayer seat or home altar become the only place where we offer prayer and communion with God, which is not how it should be. But also just as singing the doxology can come from the heart, so too can a time and place that is set apart become a hallowed sanctuary for intimate communion - many people would certainly not object to a "prayer closet." Remember Who sanctifies a place and what makes the place special is the important thing. Priorities in perspective. Mark | |||||
638.4 | DPDMAI::HUDDLESTON | If it is to be, it's up to me | Thu Dec 01 1994 09:49 | 15 | |
Thanks. Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice, so why would I need an altar of that sort in my home? Thanks for bringing that up. Makes sense. I don't see anything wrong with having a place in your house that you go to have bible study, pray, etc. I personally talk to God throughout the day informally, and more formally at "prayer times". Thats just me. And I wouldn't want that "place" to become the only time that I think of God, nor would I want to put too much focus on any items there. So as long as I had the "right" focus, I suppose it'd be ok. Thanks for the input. I'm not as confoosed. (no comments, or I'll tweek your nose) Donna | |||||
638.5 | POWDML::FLANAGAN | I feel therefore I am | Thu Dec 01 1994 15:25 | 10 | |
I have an altar in my bedroom. when ever I am having difficulty working an issue or resolving something or missing someone, I put a symbol for the problem on the alter. Then like magic, the issue becomes less intense, goes away, or resolves itself. I've never sacrificed anything at my altar. Patricia | |||||
638.6 | DPDMAI::HUDDLESTON | If it is to be, it's up to me | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:24 | 5 | |
Not trying to get personal, but what kind of symbol are we talking about. Also, do you just go to the altar for those problems/issues or is it a daily thing. Donna | |||||
638.7 | Jesus Christ is my altar | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:37 | 2 |
What Patricia does on her altar, I do the same when I go to my Lord in prayer. I place my burdens in His hands. | |||||
638.8 | DPDMAI::HUDDLESTON | If it is to be, it's up to me | Thu Dec 01 1994 16:40 | 5 | |
Oh. When she said she put a symbol for the problem on the altar, I thought it was physical. dlh | |||||
638.9 | didn't mean to confuse you | FRETZ::HEISER | Grace changes everything | Thu Dec 01 1994 17:43 | 1 |
I think she does place a symbol on her altar. | |||||
638.10 | POWDML::FLANAGAN | I feel therefore I am | Fri Dec 02 1994 09:53 | 15 | |
Some of the symbols that I have placed on my altar include pictures of my children, a book my mother gave me, a piece of ribbon from a ceremony when a friend left, a letter, a piece of art work by a child, a pink triangle, a piece of string. Just little ordinary things that have particular meaning for me at the moment. My goal in setting up the altar was as a place of meditation but in fact I usually meditate in bed. The altar being in my bedroom provides a physical reminder. Seeing, and touching, and rememberng the various items on the altar help me get out of the rational into the emotional, spiritual, non intellectual. Patricia | |||||
638.11 | ICTHUS::YUILLE | Thou God seest me | Fri Dec 02 1994 10:35 | 12 | |
Hello Patricia, I wondered why you called the meditation / reminder area an altar. An altar is associated with worship, but I don't think you think of it in this way? If you did, there would be something / someone being worshipped. Not the people whose tokens were on it, but someone greater than the one worshipping and those whose tokens are there. If I called it a 'Remembrance Corner', would you think that sounded appropriate? Andrew | |||||
638.12 | POWDML::FLANAGAN | I feel therefore I am | Fri Dec 02 1994 10:59 | 19 | |
Andrew, Good question. It made me think. I don't need an altar as a place to worship God because God is everywhere. The altar is mine and it is my place to bring those pieces of my life that I want to bring before God. I know that I can bring anything to God anytime, but the altar is a bit more formalized than that. It is the same as going to church. I worship God in many ways and in many activities, but going to church on Sunday morning is a formalized way of remembering to do that. My altar does have a single candle, and the candle is symbolic for God for me, but I am aware that it is just a symbol. God as the light of the World. God as the light within each of us. Patricia | |||||
638.13 | ICTHUS::YUILLE | Thou God seest me | Fri Dec 02 1994 11:37 | 11 | |
A sort of unique expression of yourself - a collection of all the special things or people that matter to you, including a representation of God, as a quiet place to think about them all ... and to remember them before God? Nice idea. Possibly I have an embryo form of it in the pictures, postcards, texts, etc I have in a corner of my office-cube, where I can rest my eyes from the terminal, and be greeted by people who have become very special to me over the years. Most of them noters I have met only once, or even less... Andrew | |||||
638.14 | Food for thought... | CSC32::KINSELLA | You are a treasure. | Thu Jan 05 1995 16:15 | 16 |
I'm reading the book "Too Busy Not To Pray" by Bill Hybels. Towards the end of my before sleep reading I read that he has a place in the corner of his office set up to pray in. He goes in way before the day begins so there are no interruptions. He has different items that he keeps there; an open bible, a shepherd's staff, and a few other things I can't remember. Sometime he even holds the staff up to heaven when he has a very heartfelt prayer. He said that basically though that by setting up a place to pray, you associate it with be holy and approach God more reverently. While I don't know if I agree with everything about this special place, I do think I understand. It's the same feeling I get when I'm in church... that reverence that I'm in the presence of God when in reality we always are. Maybe we need holy places in our every day lives too. Jill | |||||
638.15 | TOKNOW::METCALFE | Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers | Thu Jan 05 1995 16:22 | 17 | |
>Maybe we need holy places in our every day lives too. This is what sanctification is. In the OT, utensils were sanctified: set apart for specific use and not to be used for common or other purposes. To use them for purposes other than for what they were set apart was to profane and defile them. I think it is okay to sanctify things to the Lord; even places; and times! Do you fast? You have set apart a time to the Lord. Do you go to a church? You have set apart a time and place to the Lord in His "sanctuary." And when the Christian comes to the point where our persons are set apart for god's use, we become sanctified, too. MM | |||||
638.16 | CSC32::KINSELLA | You are a treasure. | Thu Jan 05 1995 16:38 | 6 | |
Thanks Mark. I never really thought of it as sanctifying things to God. It's kind of like setting CHRISTIAN apart from the rest of the notesfiles for God. I like it. Jill |