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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

635.0. "Form" by COVERT::COVERT (John R. Covert) Wed Nov 23 1994 22:17

	The advantage of a fixed form of service is that we know
	what is coming.  Ex tempore public prayer has this difficulty:
	we don't know whether we can mentally join in until we've
	heard it -- it might be phony or heretical.  We are therefore
	called upon to carry on a _critical_ and a _devotional_
	activity at the same moment: two things hardly compatible.
	In a fixed form we ought to have `gone through the motions'
	before in our private prayers; the rigid form really sets
	our devotions _free_.  I also find the more rigid it is,
	the easier it is to keep one's thoughts from straying.
	Also it prevents getting too completely eaten up by whatever
	happens to be the preoccupation of the moment (i.e. war, an
	election, or what not).  _The_permanent_shape_of_Christianity_
	_shows_through_.  I don't see how the ex tempore method can
	help becoming provincial, and I think it has a great tendency
	to direct attention to the minister rather than to God.
						--- C.S. Lewis
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635.1ICTHUS::YUILLEThou God seest meThu Nov 24 1994 05:4243
 "What shall we say, then brother?  When you come together, everyone has a 
  hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation.
  All of these must be done for the strengthening of the church..."

 "Two or three of the prophets should speak, and the others should weigh
  carefully what is said.  And if a revelation comes to someone who is sitting
  down, the speaker should stop.  For you can all prophesy in turn so that
  everyone may be instructed and encouraged.  The spirits of the prophets are
  subject to the control of the prophets.  For God is not a God of disorder, 
  but of peace. 
					1 Corinthians 14:26..32

 "Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to eeee
  whether they are from God .... This is how you can recognise the Spirit of
  God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh
  is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from 
  God..."
					1 John 4:1..3


The force of these verses is that the instruction offered does not originate
in the mind of the person speaking;  he is offering what he believes is
received from the LORD.  The rest of the congregation - particularly those who
are also able to respond to the LORD in this way - can feed on the word given,
and the Holy Spirit in the each individual will respond - positively or
negatively - to the message.  Any slight check in the *devotional* (which
should not be without the element of active, personal participation and
involvement) is therefore an indication of interruption of the Spirit.  That
check should never go beyond a certain level without the speaker being
superseded by another.  We do not echo the speaker's words mindlessly; we 
savour them as truth, offered up afresh from our own hearts. Where our hearts 
find something indigestible, we have to wrap it in extra protective 
prayer...;-}

Worship in the fellowhsip is to be a dynamic communication with the LORD. 

There are advantages and disadvantages in both familiarity and unfamiliarity.
This is why even the extempore instructions of 1 Corinthians 14 stress that 
there must be order.  Neither form is to be stressed to the exclusion of the 
other.

					God bless
							Andrew
635.2An Anglican commentULYSSE::EASTWOODWed Nov 30 1994 08:2318
    I'm one of the lay leaders of an Anglican church. We use set forms of
    service for many services, but not all. In any case, the set service
    is a framework on which we can then hang whatever the pastor/leader
    feels God wants included. This can be open prayer just as well as
    prayers from the Prayer Book, prayers extemporised on the spot as well
    as prayers prepared in advance. As music leader I have to accept doing
    extra verses of songs and hymns, or even adding a piece at 10 seconds'
    notice - what is right in the service is not always what we thought out
    beforehand. Prophecy, words of knowledge and so on have to be included -
    after all, they're biblical, and as Anglicans we stand or fall on
    Biblical truth!
    
    The set service is what we make of it: a suffocating straitjacket, or
    a framework from which the worship can take off to glorify our risen
    Lord. 
    
    Richard.