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     Nancy,

     I think it will be a difficult position for you to be in, but
     it is an amazing, awesome, and wonderful thing.  I will keep 
     your involvement there in prayer.  What an opportunity to be
     salt and light!

     Leslie

	I can only echo Leslie's reply...

	Karen

My sentiments have been registered with Nancy and with the person
who, I believe, is concerned about this.

MM

    Let me remind all of you that Joseph was second to Pharoah himself
    and Daniel was head of all the governors of Babylon.  
    
    It is not unequally yoked to moderate a conference.  That would be like 
    saying that a born again believer should not run for President of the
    USA because he/she would be unequally yoked.
    
    In Christ,
    
    -Jack

Another reason to pray for you, Nancy, and I think you'll need it.

I think you'll have your hands full, and I'm not sure how you will be able to
distance yourself from decisions that the other moderators may make, or from
'consensus' decisions by the moderators you disagree with.  But I see it as a
positive step toward bringing light into darkness, and I applaud your
willingness to take this on.

Paul

    I've never opened that conference so can't comment.

    I opened it about 5 or 6 years ago and spent a few months there.
    I left, opting for other conferences.

    Nancy, I don't know you but in Christ I respect and Love you. You most
    certainly will be a shining light in that conference. I say that not 
    because I know anything about that conference but because of your love
    for the Lord. I encourage your descision. 
    May the Lord provide and keep you in the palm of His hand.
    
    Resting in Jesus,
    
    Steve Downey
    Ps. Don't forget the armour of God.

    If that's what you want to do, then I'm behind you in your decision.  I
    do think it will be a lot to take on, but I'm sure you can handle it. 
    I'm here for you if you need assistance with it.  I moderate two weight
    loss notesfiles and haven't had any problems.  But then again, they are
    not busy conferences anymore.
    
    Are you still co-moderating here???  Hope so.
    
    
    Donna

    .9
    
 !   I moderate two weight loss notesfiles and haven't had any problems.  
 !   But then again, they are not busy conferences anymore.                     
    
    Lost that much weight, eh!  ;-)

    Yes I am still moderating this conference.  Also, my participation in
    WN will be minimum, I'm not sure what kind of influence I will have if
    any, but I do know that I'm only signed on in a "consultant" role.
    
    Thanks for the support from everybody!
    
    The person who took issue with this, is the only person to whom has
    responded completely negatively.  Many of you have given words of
    wisdom regarding caution.  I thank you for this... and pray that you
    will remember me, as Paul W. said, in your prayers.
    
    Love in Him,
    Nancy
    
    

    I believe Nancy is being duped into providing the =wn= moderators
    the appearance of Christian approval of their moderator actions
    as well as of all the hostile statements about God in the conference.

    They will be able to say, "the moderators, including a born-again
    Christian, have agreed that our actions were fair."

    That conference is actively and aggressively opposed to belief
    in God.  Within the past month an active participant started a
    base note calling people who have faith in God "the irrationals";
    Last Good Friday a male witch called belief in the God of Abraham
    "the greatest danger to the survival of the human race."

    A note which states "Abortion has killed 1/3rd of the potential
    black population of the United States" is deleted as "a statement
    of opinion presented as fact" (even though it can be shown to be
    true from U.S. government statistics), while the statement _in_
    _the_same_topic_ "The Catholic Church is the primary cause of the
    spread of AIDS in Africa" is still present.

    Prayers to "the Goddess" for Nancy as moderator have already been
    offered.

    Yes, Nancy, I wish you good luck, but I quite honestly think you
    are going to have a very hard time handling the level of deviousness
    you will be working with.

/john

    John,
    
    I will be honest about this and tell you that I have not read WN very
    intimately ever in my career at Digital.  I've been in and out in very
    rushed sequences. ... and most likely that will be my same M.O.  
    
    I don't fool myself into thinking I can "convert" the mod staff of WN
    but I do know that one woman changed the course of this country by
    pulling prayer and Bible reading out of the public school system.
    
    God will do with me as He wishes, no amount of human intervention will
    counteract God's purpose, if He has one.  I remember Joseph who told
    his brothers you sought to do me harm, but God had it for good.
    
    Powerful scripture to remember...
    
    Love in Him,
    Nancy

Isn't it good that there is no quota for prayer?
I think _lots_ of it is going to be required.


Chele

    Yes, Sis, it is good.. 
    
    Nancy wiping sweat off brow!
    
    :-)

re <<< Note 577.15 by JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze" >>>

>    Nancy wiping sweat off brow!

Don't wipe it off - you'll have to get used to having it there :^(


Chele

    Nancy
    
    I've never looked into womannotes, but, providing it isn't explicitly
    sinful I think this "unequally yoked" business is a load of trash in
    this case. Jesus ate and drank and spent time with 'sinners' without
    sinning and caused many to turn from their sinful lives. If christians
    never mixed at all with the world then no-one would see the light of
    Jesus - it wold bee hidden under a bushel.
    
    Nancy, if you are happy that God has led you into this then I am happy
    that you are doing the right thing, I pray that God will give you
    wisdom and will cause His glorious light to shine into that conference
    in such a way that many will come to know Jesus ass their Saviour.
    
    In His love
    
    Ben
    
    P.S. Now if you wanted to marry a pagan conference..............

>I've never looked into womannotes, but, providing it isn't explicitly
>sinful

What do you mean by "explicitly sinful"?  There is clearly a requirement
for moderators of the conference to value differences more than God.

Are statements like "I thought you meant Jesus or Hitler or somebody
like that" sinful?  They are there.

What about explicit and detailed descriptions of sexual activity that
Christian teaching has held to be sinful?  _Very_ explicit.  They are there.

And praise and prayers to idols and mother earth?  What about that?
But post a Christian prayer, or even the text of a psalm, and a hue and
cry rises up against it.

It's one thing to participate in the conference as a Christian to be a
positive influence.  It's quite another thing to add one's name to the
list of the leadership of the conference.

Nancy has stated that she won't be participating all that much in the
conference.  What, then, _is_ the purpose of being a moderator, if not
to be _used_ by the other moderators when it suits their purposes?

/john

>Nancy has stated that she won't be participating all that much in the
>conference.  What, then, _is_ the purpose of being a moderator, if not
>to be _used_ by the other moderators when it suits their purposes?

I admit, this is a good point.  Nancy?

    I echo .1 and .17's sentiments.  We are called to be salt and light;
    not just when and where it's comfortable to do so, but always (a tall
    order that I fall short of often.)
    
    I am a RO in womannotes; it's a tough crowd to work.  (That's why I
    don't participate - I'm afraid to get eaten alive)  The venom from some
    of the 'regulars' is palatable.  I praise God for giving Nancy the 
    willingness to be used in this way.  I agree that it puts her in an 
    unpopular and difficult position, but trust that God will use her 
    thoughts and words to affect someone's life - to plant a seed.
    
    I'll be praying for you Nancy.
    
    I hope we all will - she will need the full armor of God.
    
    Karen

>The venom from some of the 'regulars' is palatable.

"Palatable" means "agreeable to the palate, taste, or mind: savory, acceptable".

/john

    Nancy,
    
    I will be praying that you will provide a positive witness for Christ. 
    Sometimes we MUST go into difficult places to minister.  David
    Wilkerson has a church on Times Square!  God has called him to minister
    to drug addicts, prostitutes, etc.  Most people are not going to come
    to us on our terms.  We must go to them, loving them right where they
    are.  How can we expect those who don't know Christ to act like us? 
    His Spirit does not yet dwell in them.  They will never see a
    difference in us, unless we go to where they are.  Nancy is a child of
    the Father.  He has given her His discernment.  We can pray that Nancy
    will be salt & light to a hurting people.  If it turns out that Nancy
    is being used for an unjust cause, then the Lord will give Nancy the
    discernment to know what to do.  Remember when Joseph was sold into
    slavery?  God used Joseph mightily.  Later when Joseph was second in
    command, his brothers came apologetically before him.  Remember
    Joseph's words?  You meant it for evil, but God meant it for good!  God
    is sovereign.
    
    BTW, why do so many MEN participate in WOMENnotes?  Shouldn't we have
    our own note?  8^)
    
    Love in Him,
    
    Bing

    As Yeshua said to His disciples...
    
    	"I'm sending you out like sheep among wolves.  Be as wise as
    	serpents and as gentle as doves."
    
    Nancy - John has rasied some important concerns that shouldn't be lost
    in the wonder of being a light in the darkness.  No easy position to be
    in and one which shouldn't be entered lightly or without protection.
    
    While I would caution you to consider John's input, I'd balance it by
    saying that *even if*  evil is intended here, G-d can use it for good. 
    The participants in WN are people.  Like all people, they need the
    L-rd.  Like all people, they must be met where they are - for the L-rd
    isn't waiting for people to be good before He'll love them - rather, He
    loves people - longing for them to *know HIM*, and after having put
    their trust in Him, they will (as new creations) be known as "tov maod"
    - *very* good.
    
    No advice from here, just prayer.
    
    Steve

    re: .21
    
    I thought I missued the word 'palatable' - should have looked it up
    first.
    
    What I meant to get across is that the anger/hate/venom that rises up
    in the regulars of WN when a christian tries to get their point of 
    view across is quite real and I, for one, can actually FEEL IT.
    
    i.e. - PALPABLE: 1) Cabable of being touched or felt; tangible
    	             2) Easily perceived; obvious
    
    (American Heritage Dictionary) 
    
    Karen

| <<< Note 577.12 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>

| I believe Nancy is being duped into providing the =wn= moderators
| the appearance of Christian approval of their moderator actions
| as well as of all the hostile statements about God in the conference.

	Still upset about not being banned John?

| They will be able to say, "the moderators, including a born-again
| Christian, have agreed that our actions were fair."

	Nice of you to say that for them John. But you know, it would probably
hurt more than help. Nancy does not fit the mold of most who write in there, so
her views will differ.

| That conference is actively and aggressively opposed to belief
| in God.  Within the past month an active participant started a
| base note calling people who have faith in God "the irrationals";
| Last Good Friday a male witch called belief in the God of Abraham
| "the greatest danger to the survival of the human race."

	So 2 people make up the conference? Too bad it isn't like this file, as
then they could just delete the topic.




Glen

>So 2 people make up the conference?

Want another 100 examples?

/john

| <<< Note 577.18 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>



| Nancy has stated that she won't be participating all that much in the
| conference.  What, then, _is_ the purpose of being a moderator, if not
| to be _used_ by the other moderators when it suits their purposes?

	John, you simply amaze me. If Nancy set it up as a consulting type of
thing, then she is the one who decided how it would be done. I know in the
conference that I am a mod of we have BACK-UP mods. This could be what they
were doing. I guess maybe someone might want to ask someone in there? Now there
is a novel idea...


Glen

| <<< Note 577.26 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>

| >So 2 people make up the conference?

| Want another 100 examples?

	John, try to understand. Womannotes is a place where people can share
ideas on anything, unlike this conference. You have been banned from posting
anything in there and have always been hostile towards them. Do you think the
mods of wommannotes would find anything funny about your notes about them? Do
you think they will care what you think about them? Would you once again get
into trouble with them if they read those notes you wrote? We could find out
real easy. Let's send them the notes. Or do you feel maybe you have stepped
over the line again???


Glen

   re: Bing,

>    BTW, why do so many MEN participate in WOMENnotes?  Shouldn't we have
>    our own note?  8^)
    
   Actually, we do....  QUARK::MENNOTES, for what its worth.  But be
   warned, its a bit of a "tough crowd" in that one too, sometimes...
   
   As to the male participants in -wn-, well, not sure.  For a couple of
   months I actually read through both conferences... at first I thought
   that -wn- was, well, more balanced, I suppose.  They seemed more
   willing to allow controversial topics, and seemed to be less bitter
   than what I was reading in mennotes.  Note - this is just my opinion -
   there are many notes in both conferences that are not bitter, but *in
   general* I thought that -wn- was better reading... for a while anyway.
   
   After a while I came to realize that the more vocal members of -wn-
   had their own agenda, and it seemed (to me anyway) to be decidedly
   biased.  Even the actions taken by the moderators seemed to be biased
   at times - again, this is my opinion.  Ultimately, I couldn't (didn't
   want to) ingest any more of what was being dished out in that
   conference, and stopped reading it.
   
   Nancy, you seem to have a special gift for holding your own and
   keeping a cool head when under fire (like what I saw in -wn- on
   occasion).  I will be holding you up in prayer as often as I can
   remember to do so - you have certainly accepted a challenging
   assignment.
   
   Peace,
   
   - Tom

 Glen, please take your comments regarding the moderatorship and/or
 premise of this conference either offline with the moderators (as per
 conference guidelines) or elsewhere.



 Jim Co-mod

>	John, try to understand. Womannotes is a place where people can share
>ideas on anything, unlike this conference. You have been banned from posting
>anything in there and have always been hostile towards them.

It's too bad we didn't learn any lessons from this.

=wn= is a place to share ideas on anything?

Read Soapbox 20.1112 for an example of an idea which cannot be shared
there.  Disagreement over whether that note should be allowed was the
reason I was banned for life from writing to =wn=.

/john

| <<< Note 577.32 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>


| Read Soapbox 20.1112 for an example of an idea which cannot be shared
| there.  Disagreement over whether that note should be allowed was the
| reason I was banned for life from writing to =wn=.

	I have read numerous things about why you were banned. It seems that
your version of it does not seem to match the other sides quite so well. 


Glen

	.17, you might want to reread the last line of the 2nd paragraph. While
it does add an interesting perspective to all this, it is probably not the one
you wanted to convey. 


Glen

>It seems that your version of it does not seem to match the other sides
>quite so well. 

I have just mailed Glen the message from the moderators informing me that
I am banned for life because I disagreed with the moderators when they
determined that the note contained in Soapbox 20.1112 was not acceptable.

/john

    I love the notes comparing ::WOMANNOTES to drug addicts and prostitutes
    on Times square and the sinners Jesus walked amongst....talk about
    broad strokes and generalized statements.
    
    Nancy best wishes in your new endeavor,
    Jt

    .10  ha ha.  I wish!

    Re .36
    
    I didn't mean to compare participants in WOMENnotes to ANYBODY.  I
    don't know anything about WOMENnotes or the people who participate
    there.  My point was that Jesus calls us to go into the world, to love
    others who may not know Him with His love.  He calls us to be in the
    world, not of it.  Some folks may sense a call from the Lord to
    minister in more hostile environments.
    
    Love in Him,
    
    Bing

    I would like to address the issue of why Nancy was asked to join the
    moderating staff of WomanNotes from the perspective of the one who did
    the asking.
    
    The conference is chartered to be for and about women. By virtue of
    venue it draws educated women who work outside of the home. In a
    majority of cases, these women also work extensively at building and
    maintaining a home and family. It is not a homogeneous group. An
    acceptance of the differences is important if we are to explore the
    commonalities. 
    
    I am not anti-Christian. I was raised an Anglican by my father, a
    priest, and I was educated in Anglo- and Roman Catholic schools that
    encouraged exploration and questioning. Sadly, many of the participants
    in WomanNotes grew to adulthood with wounds that they feel were
    inflicted by a "Christian" upbringing.
    
    Although I am an articulate woman, my spiritual gift is not a strong
    voice. My voice is often lost. Nancy has a strong voice.
    
    Anyone who takes on a position as facilitator in a community is being
    used by that community. It is our intent to use Nancy's articulateness,
    her passionate commitment and her special Grace. It is not our intent
    to exploit her.
    
    Most of you know little about me; hence, I can understand your doubts.
    I thank God that Nancy was able to look within and find it in her heart
    to make the leap of faith and stand with me as a sister and child of
    God.
    
      Annie Johnston

    Nice note Annie.  I'm glad you wrote that in here.

    Leslie

| <<< Note 577.35 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>

| >It seems that your version of it does not seem to match the other sides
| >quite so well.

| I have just mailed Glen the message from the moderators informing me that
| I am banned for life because I disagreed with the moderators when they
| determined that the note contained in Soapbox 20.1112 was not acceptable.


	Thanks for proving it John. You were banned because after they deleted
it you reposted it two more times, even though they deleted it every time you
posted it. Thanks for proving what really happened.

	John, now that you know why she was asked, by the person who did the
actual asking, what do you think?

	Annie, thanks for clearing everything up. You were able to make sense
out of hysteria.


Glen

re .42

Yes, that's exactly what happened.  I have never claimed otherwise.

However, I have claimed that the note in question should not have
been deleted, considering other notes expressing the opposite point
of view that were permitted then and are still present now.

/john

| <<< Note 577.43 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>


| Yes, that's exactly what happened.  I have never claimed otherwise.

	John, you said:

| I have just mailed Glen the message from the moderators informing me that
| I am banned for life because I disagreed with the moderators when they
| determined that the note contained in Soapbox 20.1112 was not acceptable.


	You were not banned for disagreeing, you were banned for reposting the
note 2 more times. So yes, you DID say something different.



Glen

    take it off-line please...

 Say...I wonder if perhaps you gentlemen would consider taking this offline?


 Thanks

 Jim

For one thing, I didn't mail you all the messages.  The first message said
that I could make the message acceptable by showing how it was taking action
for life.  I reposted it with a title that encouraging people to read it took
action for life.  Just like a note in the corresponding taking action for choice
topic that listed a bumper sticker.

That reposting was with permission, since I fulfilled the requirement of the
message from the moderator who hid it.  Yet the moderators ignored the fact
that I had been told it would be acceptable if I showed how it took action
for life.

And in any case, your statement that =wn= is a place to share ideas on
anything (which is how you and I started this discussion) is proved false.

/john

This is relevant to the topic of Nancy participating in the moderation
of =wn=.

/john

    i guess i disagree, John (and no, i'm no mod...).
    
    even if it were relevant, it's bickering without edification and
    tedious at best.
    
    no one asked - just my opinion, but maybe you * Glen can puruse this
    off-line, come to some agreement, and post the results - that would be
    preferable IMHO.
    
    steve

    John,
    
    But the back and forth between you and Glen is NOT related.  I think
    we've got the picture.  The discussion between the two of you sounds as
    if it would be best handled through mail.
    
    Bing 

    >What do you mean by "explicitly sinful"?  There is clearly a
    >requirement
    >for moderators of the conference to value differences more than God.
    
    I haven't read past this note yet... but..
    
    I've not been asked to do this to date.  I've been asked if I can
    moderate fairly those with whom I disagree? 
    
    

 Relevant to whom?

Annie wrote:

>    Anyone who takes on a position as facilitator in a community is being
>    used by that community. It is our intent to use Nancy's articulateness,
>    her passionate commitment and her special Grace. It is not our intent
>    to exploit her.

But Nancy wrote:
    
>    I will be honest about this and tell you that I have not read WN very
>    intimately ever in my career at Digital.  I've been in and out in very
>    rushed sequences. ... and most likely that will be my same M.O.  

I see a large disconnect between "passionate commitment" and "in and out
in very rushed sequences".

I also see a disconnect between following the example of Our Lord to go
out among the lost sheep and minister to them and the idea of joining the
leadership that existed at the time of his earthly ministry.  Or, to use
another example, Paul did not go to the masters of the pagan temples and
join them; he spoke to individuals about the truth.

/john

    I think Annie may have meant "passionate commitment" to refer to
    Nancy's faith - but I'm not qualified to speak for Annie ;-)
    
    While I'm here, I'll just say that I think you (John) have an excellent
    point that I would want to consider in similar circumstances and I
    trust Nancy is doing just that.
    
    No point covering any light under a bushel ;-)
    
    
    Steve

    Wow, just got through the rest of the messages!
    
    John,
    
    I don't need to justify my counseled decision at the degree you wish to
    pick it apart.  
    
    Of course as a consulting moderator of WN, I will be in there more
    frequently for READING, and when felt led I will WRITE.  You're asking
    me to tell you how the Spirit will lead me... can't do that.
    
    Love in Him,
    Nancy

    Annie,
    
    Thank you so very much for writing your note.  I am encouraged.
    
    Nancy

    I appreciate all the love, encouragement and concern that has been
    expressed here.
    
    Remember, going in doesn't mean I'm locking the door behind me, they
    may find me distasteful and spit me right out. :-)
    
    I believe that those who really care about *me* and not their own
    agendas will pray earnestly and encourage me to do the right thing at
    the right time.
    
    Love you all,
    Nancy

    Hmm...I'll have to pop by and enter a few notes in there, since I'm
    such a loved and respected participant of that conference.  It has been
    pretty slow since I stopped participating.
    
    8^) 8^)                                    

| <<< Note 577.54 by COVERT::COVERT "John R. Covert" >>>


| I see a large disconnect between "passionate commitment" and "in and out
| in very rushed sequences".

	John, how do you know what passionate committment Annie was talking
about? I think this is important to find out before we come to any type of
conclusions.

    Good luck Nancy,
    
    I will pray also that your participation will provide you new insight
    and guidance.
    
    It is wonderful to see you expanding your domain.
    
    Patricia

    Nancy: Im very happy for you. Although there are many conflicting
    opinions regarding your involvement, I want to encourage you to go and
    let your light shine sis!!!!
    
    For those of you who disagree, please answer this question?
    
    Isn't better to have a light in a dark place rather than not having any
    light at all?
    
    You'll do fine sis. 
    
    I really wish people in this conference would be more supportive.
    Lets endeavor to be more like Joshua and Caleb who supported Moses'
    arms to obtain the victory.
    
    Sylvain
    
    

Topic 335 in =wn= was started by Nancy yesterday with a base note
containing some scriptural quotations.

335.0 is now blank.

?

/john

    I don't see any difference between participating and moderating with
    regards to the unequal yoke thing. 
    If it's OK for Nancy to participate, then it's OK for her to be a
    moderator. I don't believe we should shut ourselves away and become an
    exclusive society. Our faith should be stronger than that.
    
    Good luck Nancy. 

    Nancy accidentally deleted it herself John!
    
    Sheesh... will be redoing it later today!
    

	grin....

    Fixed and reposted. :-)

Re: Being salt and light

The one being salt and light is the one who goes in the midst of the wolves and
witnesses, with courage and without compromise, to the Gospel truth.  The one
who is -- or was -- doing this is John Covert.  For his effort, he was
ruthlessly opposed, denounced, and persecuted.  I know because I myself have
gone into this domain and have myself experienced this same suffering of the
Cross, and John and I have been in contact with each other regarding his
trials. 

To merely join in the moderation of the conference is not being salt and light
unless one is proclaiming the Gospel truth, exposing error, and correcting
injustice.  One cannot be a witness to the Gospel while standing by approvingly
as Paganism is lauded and our holy faith reviled. I trust that Nancy will be
faithful to the Gospel and use her position to fearlessly proclaim the truth
and ensure that the work, doctrine, and praise of the Enemy, both in his values
and in his religions, are opposed and denounced.

I trust also that Nancy will fearlessly intercede for her believing brothers
and sisters and make the Womennotes conference safe for the proclamation of the
Gospel, converting it from its present state as the hostile territory of the
Enemy.

If Nancy can serve as a light of truth and a sign of contradiction, not
standing aside approvingly as holy saints are martyred as Saul of Tarsus did
but fearlessly making straight the paths of the Lord for the proclamation of
His Gospel of Truth as St. Paul did, then I pray for her success.  But never
forget, Nancy, that you go as a sheep among wolves, cunning wolves at that.
Watch your back and be ever alert, for your opponent the Devil is prowling
about like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour.  Resist him, solid in
your faith.  Finally, remember that you are there first as a soldier of Christ,
and him you must serve first.  I hope that you will not form friendship with
the world in this endeavor, for the friend of the world is the enemy of Christ.

Moderators are in part morally accountable to God for the contents of the
conferences they moderate, I believe.  This task should prove a challenge to
you, then. 

Eric

    	Eric --
    
    	Nit:  Why elevate status of the enemy by capitalizing his name?
    
    	Excellent note!  I'm sure Nancy is "thrilled" by the pressure
    	of the obligation you have pointed out to her, yet I believe
    	that she is capable of the challenge.
    
    	Joe

I think the capitalization is important, not to give him importance
but to make sure that we mean him, and not some group of employees.

/john

    	I'll buy that..

| <<< Note 577.71 by KOLBE::eje "Eric James Ewanco" >>>


	Eric, interesting note. 

| The one being salt and light is the one who goes in the midst of the wolves and
| witnesses, with courage and without compromise, to the Gospel truth.  The one
| who is -- or was -- doing this is John Covert.  For his effort, he was
| ruthlessly opposed, denounced, and persecuted.  

	He was thrown out because when he was told to not post a note, he did.
Doesn't get any simpler than that. To preach as he did is one thing, to go
against the mods is another. He did, he whined about it, but he still paid the
penality. He has to live with it.

| To merely join in the moderation of the conference is not being salt and light
| unless one is proclaiming the Gospel truth, exposing error, and correcting
| injustice.  One cannot be a witness to the Gospel while standing by approvingly
| as Paganism is lauded and our holy faith reviled. 

	Understand something Eric. By what you wrote above it would seem that
you must go into the notesfiles that deal with any other religion and preach
the good word to them as well? If not, then you must realize that people have
different beliefs. Nancy has never been shy at speaking her mind about her
beliefs, and I don't expect her to be any different in there. BUT, that file is
an open file where people can share other types of beliefs as well as
Christianity. I think even you must realize that while not just Nancy, but you
yourself, can go in that file and speak out against the beliefs that don't
match yours. But Nancy will not be able to delete or set hidden those types of
notes.

| I trust that Nancy will be faithful to the Gospel and use her position to 
| fearlessly proclaim the truth and ensure that the work, doctrine, and praise 
| of the Enemy, both in his values and in his religions, are opposed and 
| denounced.

	Eric, one does not have to be a mod to do this. YOU could do this right
now in there. BTW, something you should think about is saying they praise the
Enemy. It may be your belief, and you are entitled to it, but I'm not sure
people will want to be known as, "serving the Enemy" in such a public place.
Just something to think about...

| I trust also that Nancy will fearlessly intercede for her believing brothers
| and sisters and make the Womennotes conference safe for the proclamation of the
| Gospel, converting it from its present state as the hostile territory of the
| Enemy.

	Again, I can picture some people getting very upset about you referring
to them as serving the Enemy....

| forget, Nancy, that you go as a sheep among wolves, cunning wolves at that.
| Watch your back and be ever alert, for your opponent the Devil is prowling
| about like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. 

	I think this was the most interesting part of your note. It is also the
funniest.


Glen

    Re: Note 577.72 by CSC32::J_OPPELT
    
>   	Nit:  Why elevate status of the enemy by capitalizing his name?
    
    Counternit: Why draw attention to an attempt at denegration by
    specifically decapitalising a name?  ;-) ;-)  (577.71 & 577.72 referred
    to "Enemy", but I mean when people say "satan" instead of "Satan").
    
    That's why I capitalise a fair bit where others would not.  I also
    specifically fail to capitalise when my meaning might be enhanced.
    For instance I sometimes use "christian" to mean slightly different to
    "Christian".  What I *really* can't stand is capitalisation of "him"
    and "he" when referring to God.  Too much shift key usage!  ;-)
    
    James

    Notes regarding the gender of God are now in topic #589.
    
    Nancy
    co-mod CHRISTIAN
    

I'm glad that Nancy was almost 100% certainly not the moderator who set the =wn=
conference notice to its current text.

/john

    Thanks for the vote of confidence John. :-)

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Jim Co-Mod

    Re: Note 577.87 by CSLALL::HENDERSON
    
>Several replies in this topic have been set hidden and the authors
>notified.
>Jim Co-Mod
    
    Now that I know what they are talking about, I agree.
    
    James

I think it's interesting the the same =wn= participant who today expressed
dismay that =wn= has (in his opinion) turned into "CHRISTIAN_NOTES_LIGHT"
is the one who not that long ago started a topic in which he referred those
who have faith as "the irrationals".

/john

    Probably - but then so what?  You didn't think any change could be
    effected... :-) :-) :-) :-)
    
    Sorry John couldn't resist... love you anyway.
    
    Nancy

Are we having fun yet?

    :-)  Oh well, if I go down, I'll go down honest.

There's a couple of teasers if I ever saw two.

Is there something here we should be praying about?

If there is, could you post in the prayer note or contact me offline.

Thanks, sis

Paul

    Nancy is taking a bit of abuse over a relatively minor issue, IMO. 
    She was given mod position as an outward act of "fairness", yet she
    is getting flack for being fair.
    
    As for me, I will be limiting my participation in there for a while.
    I'm sure most =wn= will appreciate this.  8^)
    
    
    -steve 

 I can handle being in there for about 5 minutes.




 Jim

>    As for me, I will be limiting my participation in there for a while.
>    I'm sure most =wn= will appreciate this.  8^)

I've limited my participation over the past five or more years to nearly
nil (including lurking) and I am also sure that they and I have appreciated
it.  I am not sure who has appreciated it more, though.  :-)  But to each
his (or her) own.

Mark

    Yes fairness is the issue.  I made a generic statement to get folks
    back on topic instead biting at each other and I'm accused of being
    one-sided.  I actually saw it happening on both sides of the debate,
    and didn't mention anyone...but the filters happen... and its natural.
    
    Whilst its difficult right now, I'm not angry or bitter, I'm very very
    saddened by the whole ordeal.  I'm learning so much in the process
    about a Christian trying to be in the world, but not of it...
    
    Your prayers are most welcome.
    
    Nancy

    	Maybe I should read WN, just once, before I leave DEC's 
    	network.  (We Oracle folks are scheduled to be weaned from DEC
    	in July.)
    
    	So where is this den of iniquity?
    
    	Being an absolute WN virgin, should I risk permanent damage
    	and corruption?  Or should I remain pure and not expose myself
    	to unnecessary trouble?  How long would the recovery time be?
    
    	Joe

 TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5

     Joe, why go into =wn= expecting trouble? Such a defeatist attitude.

	Jim, how did you get the * next to the note #? (100*)


Glen

    	Glen, 
    
    	Why come into ::CHRISTIAN expecting trouble?

	Joe,
	Stay pure.

	;-)

    RE: .101  Glen Silva
    
    Glen, do a 'show note' while Jim's note is being displayed and you will
    see the file spec to get to the Turris::Womannotes-V5 notesfile. 
    
    He viewed his note and typed:
    
    		set note/conference=TURRIS::WOMANNOTES-V5
    
    It associates the specified conference with this note to allow users
    to add the conference to their Notebooks by pressing the SELECT key
    or keypad key 7.  A note that is linked to a conference by the SET
    NOTE/CONFERENCE command has an asterisk (*) next to its note number.
    
    Suzanne

>	Jim, how did you get the * next to the note #? (100*)



  Uh...magic?

>  Uh...magic?

See   MERLIN::PARANORMAL
KP7 and all that.

| <<< Note 577.102 by CSC32::J_OPPELT "Whatever happened to ADDATA?" >>>


| Why come into ::CHRISTIAN expecting trouble?


	When I do, you'll have a point. I don't, so you don't.

	Thanks Suzanne! It makes MUCH more sense than the magic theory Jim
talked about!!! :-)



Glen

Hi Glen - and Suzanne - 

Actually I put the * on Jim's note, meaning to explain, but got caught up 
in something else first, so Suzanne stood in for me thanks ... ;-)

							Andrew

	So Suzanne and Jim were BOTH right!!!!!!  Cuuuuueeelllllll

    Glen doesn't come in here expecting trouble, it's just his shadow. ;-)

	Me and my shaaaaaaaadow.... :-)

    Joe,
    
    First off womannotes is not a "den of iniquity" and you'd be best off
    not going in there if your only purpose is to stir the pot.  If you
    want to see conflict at large, go right ahead, but please don't make it
    worse.
    
    Nancy

	Nancy,

	I think Joe was mostly joking, as was I...

	Karen

	Was that re. 115 ?

	I don't get your response...

    	Fear not, Nancy.  I think I'll take the advice in .103!

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 Jim Co Mod

re .91

>Are we having fun yet?

I guess we weren't.

/john

 Moderator Caution:



 Please, let's not discuss issues with other conferences in here.





 Jim

    I have resigned as a moderator in WN anyone who wishes to see the
    resignation note can go into WN in topic 277, with yesterday's date.
    
    I will not discuss this further in this conference.
    
    Nancy