Conference yukon::christian_v7

>               <<< Note 537.0 by BSS::GROVER "The CIRCUIT_MAN" >>>
>                    -< Colorado Christian issues/events... >-

>    I've been thinking (it hurts, but I have, really), what would be the
>    possibility of we Colorado Christians getting together for a lunchbox
>    fellowship, some day around noon (usually when lunch is)..

    I'm open at lunch on just about any day.  It would be good to put some
    faces to the names.  And with any luck (and a little intervention from
    God), Jim Henderson might even be able to join us in the future.

    Ron

 :-)

I am free on M W and F.

Leonard

 How much do you cost on T, TH, S and S? :-)





Jim

    So far, it appears Friday might be the best, but I'll standby for a few
    other replies.
    
    One other question.... Where would be the best place to meet on this
    large campus...? If weather is nice, outside would be best, but where?
    
    

Hey guys, this is TREMENDOUS!  Although I'm k's of miles away, it cheers my
heart to think of you folks getting together, sharing fellowship with the
LORD, deepening foundations already laid....

					.... and taking a phototgraph ;-)

Seriously, I think it would be good to record any sort of get-together like
this, ready for a potential CHRISTIAN noters photograph album mark II.  I
submitted the Little Chef Reading / Basingstoke team to this sort of
humiliation last Friday, though I didn't have the nerve to insist on more 
than a couple of quick snaps outside.  Nor the flash to record them 'at 
table'.  But it was with the intent that we could share the occasion as 
widely as possible.  Be warned, anyone who has a vestige of curiosity as to 
what this Little Chef is really like, the evidence is likely to be 
preserved (if I've really got a film loaded this time ;-).

								Andrew

    But Andrew, we didn't get a photo of YOU at the Little Chef!
    
    Was this intentional, I wonder?

�    But Andrew, we didn't get a photo of YOU at the Little Chef!
�    Was this intentional, I wonder?

Not by me ;-)

							&

	If y'all at CXO start meeting regularly, would you please post the
time and place here?  That way some of us out-of-towners could join in,
if/when we're there sometime.  (I live and work about an hour north of CXO).

						Bob Sampson

    Well, so far it looks as if Friday would be the best day of the week.
    
    Now, to find a day within the next few weeks to actually do this lunch.
    
    Let's see (looking intensely at the calander, he says);
    
    we have: 19 Aug., 26 Aug., 2 Sep., 9 Sep., 16 Sep., 23 Sep., 30 Sep.
    
    As it appears, all above are good for me... How 'bout y'all...?
    
    

>              <<< Note 537.10 by BSS::GROVER "The CIRCUIT_MAN" >>>
>                     -< Which Friday would be the best.? >-

>    we have: 19 Aug., 26 Aug., 2 Sep., 9 Sep., 16 Sep., 23 Sep., 30 Sep.
    
>    As it appears, all above are good for me... How 'bout y'all...?

    Next Friday, Aug. 19 will not work for me as I'll be in Denver all of
    next week.  Otherwise the others look OK.

    Ron

    All dates fine for this read-only noter.
    
    Leonard

    Well, so far it looks as if Friday would be the best day of the week.
    
    Now, to find a day within the next few weeks to actually do this lunch.
    
    Let's see (looking intensely at the calendar, he says);
    
    we have: 2 Sep., 9 Sep., 16 Sep., 23 Sep., 30 Sep.
    
********************************************    
    As of 15 August 1994, the 19th & 26th of August are out. Leaving us the
    above dates. How about if we pick 9 September as the date. If we miss
    that one, we can make a backup of 23 September.

    Now, where to meet. Folks that are on phones will have a tough time
    coordinating enough time to get to CXO1/2, so why not meet on the CXO3
    patio/veranda. My time is flexible for lunch, from 11:00 to 13:00 ish.
    So, y'all that are on tighter schedules, please pick your time and let
    the rest of us know.
    
    

    That sounds good Bob.  My lunch is from 11:00 to 11:30 but
    I can stretch it to 12:00 because I am owed a 1/2 hour
    So from 11:00 - 12:00 and after would be good on my side.
    
    Pam
    
    8*)  can't wait!

    My lunch time is flexible so anytime will be fine with me.

    Ron

    	9-sept is great with me.  I'm also flexible on the time.

    OK... sounds like 9th is *it*... Going by Pam's time schedule, it seems
    11:30-ish is also best. We'll meet at the CXO3 veranda/patio at that
    time... If it's raining, well, I guess we just slip inside the dining
    room (I've been told CXO3 doesn't have a cafeteria, it has a dining
    room.... so there.... latty da....)
    
    I pray all can make it to this great event...
    
    Looking forward to the day!
    
    Bob
    

    	I'd appreciate a reminder (mail if possible) on Wednesday or
    	Thursday before the 9th.

    Gotcha... will do... I got it on my workstation calendar to flag me on
    Wednesday to flag you on Wednesday...
    
    

	Hello, everyone.  I had the opportunity to attend all day Sat.
at a conference called "Steeling the Mind of America" in Vail, CO.
Dave, a Christian at work, heard on KHNC (USA Patriot Network) that
they were offering tickets to the one day for only $15 each.
So I checked with my better half, and she said I could go!  She
cautioned me to be frugal at the book tables, though.  Dave drove
to the station in Johnstown, CO to get the tickets.  I must have
been kind of excited about going, because I didn't get to sleep
until 1:30 AM.  Then I had to get up at 5:30 AM!

	The first speaker was Don McAlvany ("The New World Order: How
Close Are We?" and "America at the Crossroads: Freedom or Slavery"), who
spent almost 4 hours breezing rapidly through an overview of the political,
economic, and military situation in the USA and the rest of the world.
Owing to lack of sleep, my mind went blank briefly a couple of times, but
it seemed that I was already aware of most of the information, because I
don't rely on the tee-vee news and local papers as my only news sources.
His theme was that the "New World Order" is poised to take over the USA,
and that Russia has big plans in place to exploit the power grab.  He drew
parallels between the USA and the Northern Kingdom (Israel), shortly before
it ceased to exist.  He showed some photos of Russian and UN military
vehicles (including chemical and biological decontamination units) being
transported and stored within the USA, among others.

	We had sack lunches just outside the Dobson ice arena (no ice),
where the conference was held.  We rode the (free) bus and walked around
Vail a little.

	The afternoon session started with Henry Morris of the Institute
for Creation Research in San Diego, CA ("The Long War Against God").  He
stressed that the Biblical account of Creation is foundational and
absolutely essential to every aspect of the Christian faith.  He also
covered the bad philosophical and behavioral fruit that has grown out of
the tree of belief in evolution.

	Next was Hal Lindsey ("Russia, Islam, and the Armageddon Scenario"),
a well-known author ("Late Great Planet Earth", etc.) and pastor of a church
in So. CA.  He says that after studying the subject for decades, he is still
convinced that Jesus will gather His people to himself just prior to the seven
years of the great tribulation.  He understands that Christians in many parts
of the world are under tremendous persecution, and strongly believes that
American Christians will also be subjected to the same kind of persecution
between today and the rapture.  He also touched on another interesting topic:
When Jimmy Carter ordered that the USA would no longer develop or deploy
neutron nukes, a lead scientist got upset (I think his name is Sam Cohen),
and started working on nukes for Israel.  Hal says Israel has perfected
micro-nukes, mini-nukes, and tiny-nukes, and specialized battlefield delivery
systems for them.  These weapons would not be used as a last resort, but would
instead be used immediately when Israel is invaded.  A mini-nuke might be used
as a smart bomb to eliminate the leadership of an invading nation.  A tiny nuke
might be used as an artillery shell to kill every invading tank crew in a
500-meter radius, which could be done "safely" from a 1500-meter radius or
more.  This may help to explain how Israel now believes that it can negotiate
away so much strategic land (such as the Golan Heights) in exchange for peace.

	Chuck Missler was the next speaker ("Prophecy Update: Seven Key Areas
to Watch").  He outlined seven current events we can watch unfolding before us
in the news, and compare with Biblical prophecy.  He emphasized that the Bible,
although it has about fourty different authors who wrote 66 different books
over a span of thousands of years, is an integrated message system that has
proved and is proving itself to originate from outside the confines of space
and time.

	We had supper at Denny's, several miles west on the freeway.
A cold front came through, blowing dust, rain, and some snowflakes.
It continued to rain on and off in the Vail area through the evening.

	The last speaker of the day was John Ankerberg ("Today's Battle for
Tomorrow's Future").  He gave live narrations of several video clips.  The
theme was that our nation is currently in a battle between incompatible
world-views; either the God of the Bible exists, or He does not.  There will
be a winner and a loser, and God's people will be on the losing side if we
don't mobilize quickly to effectively combat the influence of anti-God ideas.
He gave an altar call for those who wanted to become Christians (a few dozen
raised hands were acknowledged).  Then he asked everyone who wanted to make
themselves available to God for whatever He wants to do through them, to stand.
Just about everyone stood up.  He then asked us to ask God for an idea of how
He wants each of us to get involved, then to sit down as soon as we received
an answer.

	On Friday evening, we missed Hal Lindsey ("Planet Earth 2000 AD: Will
Mankind Survive?") and a video conference ("The Truth Behind Outcome-Based
Education"), which I believe was hosted by John Leffler, a local Christian
radio talk show host.  On Sunday morning, on top of Vail Mountain, we missed
John Ankerberg ("Is There an Absolute Truth?"), with a multi-media presentation
geared toward a pagan college audience, and Chuck Missler ("Surviving the
Nineties").

	About 2,000 people attended this year, from about thirty states.
It was disappointing to see only a few non-white people in the crowd, but
understandable, given the racist image with which all patriot groups have
been painted in the media.  To be sure, a few fringe groups have earned
this image, but not the vast majority of patriots.  Also, the full conference
prices were a bit steep (they would have kept me away), and the location was
a bit out of the way (two hours from Denver, west on I-70).

	Q: "What is the biggest problem in America: Ignorance or Apathy?"
	A: "I don't know, and I don't care!"

	Despite the odds, I *was* frugal at the book tables, and didn't buy
*anything*!  I even passed up the "Clinton Chronicles" video (from Larry
Nichols), on sale for only $15!  Of course, it helped that I didn't bring
(or have) much cash in the first place.

						Bob Sampson

    Sounds great Bob!  I wanted to attend but couldn't make it, but may get
    the tapes through Chuck Missler's newsletter.
    
    Mike

    	Stealing the Mind of America?
    
    	:^)

	Yeah, John Leffler (his show is called "Steel on Steel"), among
others, has had fun with the conference title on more than one occasion.

>              <<< Note 537.17 by BSS::GROVER "The CIRCUIT_MAN" >>>
>                        -< 9th at 11:30-ish it is.... >-

>    OK... sounds like 9th is *it*... Going by Pam's time schedule, it seems
>    11:30-ish is also best. We'll meet at the CXO3 veranda/patio at that
>    time... If it's raining, well, I guess we just slip inside the dining
>    room (I've been told CXO3 doesn't have a cafeteria, it has a dining
>    room.... so there.... latty da....)

    I just realized that I have an appointment on the 9th for a haircut!
    Luckily, the amount of hair that I have doesn't take long to cut (;^).
    Hopefully some of you will still be there when I get back.  I'd
    consider calling to change it but I had to change my appointment the
    last two times.  She might not appreciate that.

    Ron

    Ron,
    Which one....
    
    Which hair are you getting cut.... 8^)...
    
    Just kidding Ron, just kidding.....

	Well, I've been on vacation all this week, and Monday is a holiday,
but one more vacation day won't hurt!  I'll see if my boss will give me
next Friday off, too.  Hope to meet you there!

						Bob Sampson

    Bob,
    
    That would be great.  Hope to see you then!
    
    Pam

    Hey all you Colorado Springs folks. Going to be able to make it for
    lunch tomorrow, at 11:30, at the CXO3 dining room varanda...????
    
    I hope so, I know I plan on being there.
    
    See you there.
    
    Bob
    

    I'll be there.
    
    See you then!

    	I plan on attending.

    I'll be there, although a little late.

    How long will you guys be hanging around?

    Ron

    	Until Oracle finishes the deal... :^)

    Until Digital stock gets back up to $100 per share.... 8^)
    
    Ron, we'll hang in there and wait for ya', at least the ones who
    haven't as important a job as Pam.... 8^D
    
    See ya all there.!
    
    Bob
    

    Well, it doesn't appear that tomorrow will work out for me this time.
    I would have enjoyed meeting you, especially those of you who may be
    leaving Digital soon.

    OK - now, don't be mad at me Bob because I know that you worked
    hard to schedule this around my crazy schedule for my 
    oh-so-critical job but.....
    
    something has come up at home and I need to go straight home
    at 10:00.
    
    However, I will make it up to you somehow.  Do you like chocolate
    chip cookies?
    
    I am disappointed - I hope you all have a wonderful time!
    
    Pam

    	Pam --
    
    	You can make it back by noon!

    Well, hum... We'll have a few folks there, won't we???
    
    Ron, Joe, me, Rich (a non-noter), who else will make it?
    
    

    	It doesn't matter if it is only 3 or 4.  Let's still do it!
    	Let's not all start dropping out now...

    Well, the first ever, let's get together in Colorado for lunch has
    happened. It was great meeting Joe and fellowshipping with him and Ron.
    
    Maybe next time more of us can get together.
    
    Pam, you missed out on a good time... BUT, family stuff comes first, so
    maybe the next time for you Pam, hey..!
    
    Later!
    
    Bob
    

    Yup,

    Was a good time sitting in the sun competing with the bees for our
    lunches.  I went early for my haircut and as I walked in the person
    ahead of me was getting out of the chair so I wasn't too late to the
    lunch gathering.  'Twas good to meet Joe and put another face to a
    name.

    Let's do it again.  Yeah!  Let's do it again!

    ALVIN!!!

    Now what brought that on?

    In fact, let's not wait too long.  This way we can meet even more of
    the folks.  I'll even try to get a brother who works in the model shop
    here to come with me.

    Ron

    Tonight, Fri, Jan 20 and tomorrow, Sat., Jan 21 
    Froggymeisters will be featuring the Christian band
    11th Hour.
    
    They will also be playing at the battle of the bands on
    Sunday, Jan 22 at Rack n' Roll.  They need all the support
    from the Christian community that they can get.
    
    Apparently last week, this band entered the battle of the bands
    at Rack n' Roll in order to reach the secular audience.  They
    had no thought of actually winning.  Now, they are in the
    semi finals.
    
    Also,  I heard the Froggymeisters is struggling.  If you have
    teenage kids that want good, clean entertainment, send them there!
    It would be a shame to lose this restaurant.
    
    Pam

    
    Does anyone have any information on the upcoming even that
    Focus on the Family is hosting at the Broadmoor?  I think it
    is in March?
    
    Pam

    	Holy Apostles Church will be this year's site of the annual
    	ecumenical World Marriage Day celebration at 2PM on Sunday, Feb 12.

    	Among the various speakers will be Dr. Paul Peel from First
    	Lutheran Church, Rabbi Howard Hirsch from Temple Shalom,
    	and Deacon Mike Celetti from the Catholic Diocese of Colorado
    	Springs, all telling what their various organizations are
    	doing to promote and strengthen marriage.  Catholic Bishop
    	Richard Hanifen will also be participating, as well as 
    	representatives from Worldwide Marriage Encounter, Sunrise
    	United Methodist Church, a chaplain from Peterson Air Force
    	Base, and music will be provided by the Fellowship Bible
    	Church singers.

    	During the service, programs will be provided for children
    	of all ages -- including free nursery service for ages
    	newborn to 5 years.

    	We will also have a short rite to symbolically renew vows for
    	all couples attending, as well as recognition of the longest-
    	married couple with flowers and a dinner to a local restaurant.

    	Reception will follow, including the awarding of savings bonds
    	to the winners of the World Marriage Day poster contest, and
    	the awarding of a free Marriage Encounter weekend in 1995.

    	For more information contact us, the World Marriage Day
    	Coordinators:

    	Joe & Linda Oppelt
    	(719) 596-6488

    
    Has anyone been to the FotF visitor's center?  I heard they
    have a 'set' of Odyssey.  We'll be going today but I wanted
    to know what others thought.
    
    Also, Family Expo '95 will be at the Broadmoor on 
    March 10 and 11.  It is free and will have a lot of
    displays of Christian businesses in the area.  It is 
    at the convention center.
    
    Pam

 One of the things I wanted to do last summer while in Colorado (besides
 meeting Jill which didn't happen) was visit the FoTF vistor's center..ah,
 well..maybe next time.





 Jim

    Well, we went to Focus yesterday and I'm kicking myself for
    not going earlier.  They had several exhibits and things
    to do.
    
    1.  Our first stop was Wit's End from the ever popular (in our
        home, at least) Adventures in Odyssey.  Enter through an
        arched brick doorway (or a sewer pipe for the kids) and
        walk along a brick path between two maple? trees strung with
        lights.  Turn left and open the door to imagination station
        and prepare to be transported to another land.  Exit
        into Wit's End.  Go into Eugene's clubhouse and read
        some wonderful classic books or lounge on a big, fluffy
        pillow and watch Odyssey videos.  Then,  make your way
        to the Wit's End soda fountain.  Have an ice cream or
        hotdog and chips and either sit on a stool at the fountain
        our outside on the patio overlooking the mountains.  This
        place was FUN!
    
    2.  The bookstore:  Wide variety of books are available and not
        just those published by Focus.  Get a FotF bookbag or t-shirt
        or buy a copy of that FotF broadcast that you missed.  They
        have a play area for kids and lots of books and tapes (video
        and audio.  Not cheap but not any more expensive than other
        Christian bookstores.
    
    3.  G. Harvey Gallery!  Displays of the beautiful art of
        G. Harvey.  Nathan wouldn't let me stay too long in here
        so I'll have to go back by myself.
    
    4.  Ministry displays.  This is the largest display.  It tells
        of the 52 different ministries of Focus on the Family.  It
        has interactive computer terminals so you can watch them
        construct a storyboard for Odyssey or the shooting of The
        Last Chance Detectives.  Learn about ministries all over
        the world.  Listen to the taping of the radio broadcast
        and find out what radio station plays the broadcast and
        get a print out.  Didn't spend a lot of time here either
        because Nathan was bored.  
    
    5.  The theater featuring 'Coming Home'.  This was an interesting
        retrospective on the history of Focus.  It lasts 20 minutes.
    
    All in all, it was an enjoyable couple of hours.  If you want
    to do any serious looking around, don't bring the kids but
    if you want to have fun, go to Wit's End.
    
    Pam

The MOB (Mission On Banjo Project) will be in concert at 
Froggymeister's March 17, 18, and 19.

MOB is a local Music/Youth Ministry based out of Pulpit Rock Church which 
has been providing youth groups/events with music and ministry training
tools (tapes with study guides, etc.) for the past 8 years.

Come on out and have some fun.  Froggies may even provide "green root beer"!
...sorry for the pun...8*)

Jeff

BTW, info on the group may be seen in the CCM notesfile (note 178).

                             /-O-O-O-O-O-O-O\
                            :-) LIFE CHAIN (-:
                             \O-O-O-O-O-O-O-/

                          SUNDAY, APRIL 23, 1995
                   at the following Colorado locations

                                  AURORA
                                  ======
                   from Abilene eastward on Mississippi
                          2:30 p.m. to 3:30 p.m.

                             COLORADO SPRINGS
                             ================
                            Academy Boulevard
              between the Citadel Mall and Chapel Hills Mall

                                  PUEBLO
                                  ======
              Northern Avenue from Pueblo Boulevard eastward
                     on the North side of the street

                                 STERLING
                                 ========
      West Main Street from 11th Avenue westward (from Burger King)
                             2 p.m. to 3 p.m.


                      BRING YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS

                   COME JOIN US AND STAND UP FOR LIFE!

                      Equal Rights for Unborn Women

	This January, Congresswoman Pat Schroeder was a featured speaker at
a "reproductive rights" rally honoring Susan B. Anthony, as though she were
the patron saint of the pro-choice movement.

	Unfortunately, Colorado feminists wanting to pay homage to a
feminist [pro-abort -rjs] icon have selected the wrong woman.

	A thorough search of her writings reveals that Susan B. Anthony
considered abortion [to be] child murder, as did the American Medical
Association in that era.  In the last century the AMA publicly called
abortionists "monsters" and men of "corrupt souls".  They further believed
them to be a "blight on society" and a "shame" to the medical profession.

	Ms. Anthony was no less fervent in her disdain for the heinous
practice which ends the lives of innocent human beings.  In her own words,
abortion was a criminal act.

	Ms. Anthony did have a tenderness for wives whose husbands were
callous in their sexual demands.  However, she had an amazing perception of
the psychological [soul -rjs] damage that was done to women who were
coerced into abortion.

	Susan B. Anthony bemoaned, "Guilty?  Yes, no matter what the
motive, love of ease, or a desire to save from suffering the unborn
innocent, the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed.  It will burden
her conscience in life, it will burden her soul in death, but oh! thrice
guilty is he who, for selfish gratification, heedless of her prayers,
indifferent to her fate, drives her to the desperation which impels her to
the crime."
				(Source: World, March 11, 1995)
     -< research of primary sources is left as an exercise to the reader >-

	The Denver Police have lately (more than usual) taken to eagerly
clapping peaceful pro-lifers into handcuffs and hauling them off to jail,
supposedly for "disturbing the peace", from the sidewalk in front of
"Planned Parenthood" at 20th & Vine.

	Denver City ordinances state that one must make more noise than a
football game, in order to "disturb the peace".  Not only do the officers
know that the ordinance has not been violated, they also use excessive and
unnecessary force and confinement against these people, in situations where
a summons to appear in court (a ticket) should be issued instead.

	Videotape taken at the scene shows Harvey Baines, a mild-mannered
Black Minister who recently joined the Promise Keepers' full-time staff,
quietly preaching the gospel, then smiling and waving in handcuffs as he is
hauled away.

	On Tuesday, one of the fellow picketers at Mayfair showed me the
wounds that had been inflicted on his wrists by the handcuffs and rough
treatment he received from the Denver Police at 20th & Vine.

	Be advised that our nation, in order to protect the "right" to
abortion, is finding it necessary to bulldoze away all competing rights.

	Randall Terry will be the speaker at a rally to be held:

	Friday, May 5th, at 7 PM
	Redeemer Temple
	3241 Lowell Blvd.
	Denver CO

	Please be there if you can!  For more information, please call
(303) 232-3250.

	On Saturday, May 6th, at 8 PM, Randall will join two other social
activists (Daniel Berrigan and Russell Means) at Source Theatre in the
Denver Performing Arts Complex at 13th and Arapahoe, to answer the
question, "What message would you leave to future generations?"  This is
a live program, called "The 11th Hour", presented by KBDI, Channel 12, and
Denver Center Media.  Tickets are $25, available thru TicketMaster,
(303) 830-8497, and Channel 12, (303) 296-1212.

	Randall Terry Live, the radio talk show, is to be back on the air
in Colorado, beginning June 1st.  In Denver, tune to KQXI 1550 AM from 1:05
to 2:00 PM.  In Colorado Springs, tune to KWYD 1580 AM from 4:05 to 5:00
PM.

 Perhaps this would be a good spot for our Colorado based brethern to
 announceir proposed gatherings so as to avoid them getting lost in
 Chit Chat?   Or topic 13 "Events of Interest to Christians"?




  Jim

    	It's comiming together!
    
    	Mike McManus, the syndicated columnist who writes "Ethics
    	and Religion" and the author of the book Marriage Savers
    	and whose Community Marriage Policy was highlighted on the
    	December 19 and 20 broadcasts of Focus on the Family, will
    	be coming to Colorado Springs to present his Community 
    	Marriage Policy to this city.
    
    	In short it is a guideline that pastors and ministers agree
    	to citywide to encourage stronger marriages.  It is already
    	installed in 28 cities nationwide.  Some of the guidelines --
    	churches will use a "couple inventory" tool such as PREPARE
    	or FOCCUS; couples will be encouraged to attend an Engaged
    	Encounter weekend; couples will be engaged for at least 4
    	months before marriage; couples will be encouraged to attend
    	a Marriage Encounter weekend after marriage; churches will
    	create a mentorship program where senior married couples 
    	mentor newly marrieds for a year; etc., etc.  The policy 
    	varies from city to city.
    
    	In city after city where this has been adopted, the rate of
    	divorce has shown a drop.  We need this in Colorado Springs,
    	for this area has one of the highest divorce rates in the
    	state, and this state has a higher divorce rate than the
    	national average.
    
    	We're attempting to bring this here, and today I met with some 
    	area church leadership, and there is serious interest in what
    	we're trying to do.  Hopefully we can pull together a core
    	of mainline Christian, evangelical Christian, Catholic, and
    	Jewish clergy to formulate the local CMP, and we are shooting
    	for an initial participation of 100 citywide churches when
    	it is presented on February 12, 1996.

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AUTHOR:       Craig Jones and Lynn Bartels, RMN Staff Writers
TITLE:        "Melee Breaks Out at Abortion-Clinic Protest"
DATE:         Thursday, Oct. 6, 1994
PUBLICATION:  _Rocky Mountain News_, Denver, CO
ORGANIZATION:
KEYWORDS:     Abortion Protest, Clinic Violence
FILENAME:     ColoradoMelee.rmn
CONTRIBUTOR:  The Prolife-Infonet Mailing List <[email protected]>
SUMMARY:      A Newspaper report on how three pro-life demonstrators were
              injured in confrontation between Pro-Life Action Network and
              Planned Parenthood staff. Includes a partial transcript from
              Denver radio talk-show interview with two of the injured
              pro-life demonstrators.
SEE ALSO:     FACEResponses
NOTES:
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          MELEE BREAKS OUT AT ABORTION-CLINIC PROTEST


                By Craig Jones and Lynn Bartels,
                       RMN Staff Writers

[PHOTOGRAPH, with caption: Protesters Terry Sullivan, left, and Clifton
Powell stand in front of the Denver Planned Parenthood abortion clinic,
where Powell was injured during a demonstration Wednesday. Powell received
12 stitches for his injuries.  Photographer: Hal Stoelzle]

A daily protest outside a Planned Parenthood clinic in Denver turned violent
Wednesday [Oct 5, 1994] as abortion foes and employees fought.  Each side
blamed the other for the 8:35 a.m. melee at the Planned Parenthood abortion
clinic, 2030 E. 20th Ave. Three protesters were injured.

A Denver man who witnessed a peaceful demonstration at the clinic as he
drove his daughter to school at 8:20 a.m. was stunned by what he saw upon
his return. "I was shocked to see ... blood and police," Nick Vigil said.
Seven police cars were dispatched to the clinic.

Gary Jamieson, associate director of Planned Parenthood of the Rockies, was
issued a municipal summons for assault along with several abortion
protesters, Denver Police Detective Tracie Harrison said. Further charges
could be filed based on the injuries sustained by individuals involved.

Members of the Pro-Life Action Network said they came to the clinic to
"picket and pray" when Michael Newell, a security guard, attacked them.
Newell conceded using his baton but said he was attacked while defending
Jamieson from well-known abortion foe Terry Sullivan.  [Note: Jamieson is
approximately 40; Sullivan is 65.]  Planned Parenthood officials refused
comment.

Police identified the injured as Clifton Dean Powell, 38, and David Allen
Lane, 24, both of Westminster, and Diana C. Cordova, 51, of Arvada.  Powell
and Lane were treated and released from Denver General Hospital, where they
required 12 stitches and eight stitches, respectively.  Cordova was treated
at the scene for a bruised arm].  Sullivan, who organized abortion protests
in 1993 when Pope John Paul II came to Denver, said the Pro-Life Action
Network has been demonstrating at Planned Parenthood for months.

Nine people picketed the clinic Wednesday morning, sticking crosses and
placards in the ground. The protesters were getting ready to leave and were
removing their signs when Jamieson and Newell came outdoors and started
pushing them, Sullivan said. He said Newell repeatedly struck Lane and
Powell in the head with his baton, and then hit Cordova. Jamieson knocked
Newell down, Sullivan said.

Newell had instructed Lane, who was videotaping the protest, to move 8
feet back from the clinic, as required by law, Powell said.  When Lane
didn't move [fast enough], Newell pushed him, Powell added.

Newell recalled the incident differently.  "This day was the most aggressive
I've seen the protesters in the year-and-a-half I've been here," he said.
Each day, he and the director go outside and tell the abortion foes to
remove their crosses and signs, Newell said.

When they went outside Wednesday, Newell said, Sullivan attacked Jamieson.
When he tried to intercede, Newell said he was attacked.  Newell didn't know
what triggered Wednesday's confrontation, but said in the past four weeks he
has sensed "more brazen behavior" among the protesters.


[Note: This article contains some inaccuracies; see the radio interview
for more accurate information.]


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The following is a transcript of an Oct. 6, 1994 interview by Denver radio
talk-show host Steve Kelly with two of the pro-life protesters who were
attacked and severely beaten Oct. 5.  The attack occurred at the Planned
Parenthood abortion mill at 20th and Vine in Denver.

[The first few words were cut off due to tape problems.]

KELLY: ...The media was all over asking Planned Parenthood what happened,
trying to offer some balance in the reporting yesterday.  Not that
there's ever balance, necessarily, but in an effort to find balance.  No,
they would not talk about it.  And after it hits the front page of the
paper, and of course now, you're backpedaling...Let's talk to Bernadette
Cordova [one of the protesters].  She has to run, here, I guess.
Bernadette, welcome to the show, thanks for coming on.

BERNADETTE:  [on phone] Hi, thank you for having me.

KELLY:  Now, you--Gary Jamieson were charged with assault on--you've
charged him with assault, correct?

BERNADETTE:  That is correct.

KELLY:  He says he has had no contact with you.

BERNADETTE:  Well, I don't understand how he can say that; of course, I
don't understand how they can say any of the things that you just read.
[Kelly had just read PP's media release giving their version of the
attack.]  I am just furious because he was hitting Mr. Sullivan over and
over with his fists, and I was very concerned for Mr. Sullivan; he is an
elderly man; and so I tried to get in the middle of Mr. Jamieson--which is
from Planned Parenthood--and Mr. Sullivan, who is a pro-lifer, and he
then began to hit me.  As a matter of fact, my back is hurting, and my
shoulder is hurting, and I'm not--

KELLY:  Bernadette, let me ask you this:  I see an old guy getting beat
up, a friend of mine whom you've protested with for the last five years,
by the way, with no problem like this, I understand.

BERNADETTE:  That's correct.  He is not violent--none of us are violent.

KELLY:  Well, now, your tactics may, uh, ignite a lot of passion on
people who are on both sides of this, but that's beside the point.  You
have a First Amendment right to do what you can, within the law.

BERNADETTE:  Exactly, and I don't know where they got this from.  First
of all, I'd like to clear it up--

KELLY:  Let me ask you this real quick, though.  If I'm seeing a friend
of mine, Mr. Sullivan in this case, who, it is alleged that he grabbed
Mr. Jamieson's tie and threw him to the ground--

BERNADETTE: Right, that's not true at all.

KELLY:  --and if I see Mr. Jamieson beating on Mr. Sullivan, I am
picturing me jumping on this guy's back.  You didn't do that?  You say
you tried to get in between them.

BERNADETTE:  I tried to separate them, and, you know, I didn't jump on
his back, I just tried to get in the middle of them, and I was pushing
them both away, and then Mr. Jamieson then began hitting me.  And it goes
to--our physical--the way we are hurt right now goes to show who attacked
whom. I mean, I didn't see anybody from Planned Parenthood have to go to
the hospital.  And two of our protesters, Cliff Powell and Dave Lane, had
stitches--Cliff Powell had twelve stitches, and Dave Lane had a
concussion and had, I believe it was nine stitches; they were bleeding, I
was begging Mr.--

KELLY:  Maybe the Planned Parenthood guys are just better fighters?

BERNADETTE:  Well, I would be a better fighter too if I had a nightstick
and I was beating somebody over the head.

KELLY:  All right, hang on here, because all three protesters were
charged with assault--

BERNADETTE:  That's incorrect.

KELLY:  And Mr. Jamieson was charged with assault--

BERNADETTE:  No, that's not true.

KELLY:  All right, let's clarify that right after this, okay?

BERNADETTE:  Okay.

KELLY:  And we'll be joined by Clifton Powell, one of the other
protesters here.  I would invite--let me just do it on the air, out of
fairness--Gary Jamieson, we've called and called, to come on and talk
about his side of the story.  You see, this is so obvious to me, you just
send out a press release, try to neutralize this, and hope that it goes
away. Well, it ain't going to go away, at least for the next few
minutes.  It's 3:24 on 85 KOA.

[BREAK]

KELLY:  3:27, Kelly & Company, Rocky Mountain Planned Parenthood
yesterday at 20th and Vine, there was an altercation, where a couple of
protesters were beaten to the extent they had to be taken to the
hospital, and stitches, and so forth.  And now, we're talking with two of
those protesters that were involved, Bernadette Cordova and Clifton
Powell.  Let me ask you real quick, Bernadette, before we broke, we
talked about this, as close as we could get to Planned Parenthood--and by
the way, their publicity person is out today.  You'd think the one day
that a huge event like this happens, their publicity people would be
there.  They're conspicuously absent.  But anyway--

BERNADETTE:  Right, and where were they yesterday?

KELLY:  Well, it doesn't surprise me.  But that's the transparency, you
see, and I don't--this is what makes me a little angry, on the pro-life
side of the issue.  I don't even like calling myself pro-life--I'm
anti-abortion rights.  But, Bernadette, it says here that all three
protesters, that would include you, were charged with assault.

BERNADETTE:  No, that is not true--only one protestor was charged with
assault, and his name was Mr. Sullivan, Mr. Terry Sullivan. But another
thing, Mr. Powell and Mr. Lane, David Lane, and Cliff Powell, who were
bleeding, as I said before, and had to have stitches, and had a
concussion, they were taken to the hospital, put on a hold by the police,
cuffed to their beds, and they had shackles on their feet while they were
in the hospital.  I don't understand that, while Mr. Mike Newell, who
attacked us--them with a nightstick, just got to walk away, with nothing,
no handcuffs, no anything, nothing like that.

KELLY:  All right, now, you have charged Mr. Jamieson with assault.

BERNADETTE:  Yes, I have.

KELLY:  How far are you going to pursue this?

BERNADETTE:  Well, um, I want to go as far as I can, all the way, because
I feel that justice really needs to be, you know, done here, because we
have been charged with so many--they trump up these charges on us, and
then we are acquitted all the time, and I just don't see
where--understand how many times people have to see that, you know, that
we are acquitted, to believe that we're innocent.  The Christians are
being attacked, and it's obvious.

KELLY:  What about--I see people out there right now say, well, you're a
Christian, what about turning the other cheek, Bernadette?

BERNADETTE:  Well, we did turn the other cheek.  Mr. Powell and Mr. Lane
did not lift one finger to defend themselves. Neither did Mr. Sullivan.
He just grabbed Mr. Jamieson's legs, and I don't see anything against
that, grabbing his legs when you're being, you know, hit.

KELLY:  Before or after he was hit?

BERNADETTE:  After.

KELLY:  Okay.

BERNADETTE:  Actually, it was during.

KELLY:  All right.  Let's talk to Clifton Powell here for just a second,
we've got Paul Harvey here with "The Rest of the Story" straight ahead,
so we're up against the clock here, but Clifton, you--how severely
injured are you right now?

CLIFTON:  I had four blows to the head from the steel baton; three of the
wounds required twelve stitches total.

KELLY:  Now, what--uh--in your mind, what caused this?  I mean, there has
to be something to escalate this to such an extent that somebody would
take action like this--I find it hard to believe that somebody would just
go and hit you.

CLIFTON:  The last five or six weeks we've had our property taken from
the public right-of-way. We have symbolic speech on a public access
that's attended to.  It's crosses, signs, and posters.  And Planned
Parenthood, under the pretext of picking up trash and litter, have been
trying to come out and confiscate and take possession of our property.

KELLY:  So, when Mr. Jamieson came out to try to take your property, did
you "forcibly"--did you, like Mr. Sullivan, grab him in any way and
"throw him to the ground", and all this, and start the fight?

CLIFTON:  No.  Mr. Sullivan was standing his ground, and Mr. Jamieson
tried to force his way through Mr. Sullivan to get to a sign or a piece
of literature that was on the ground.  And this man is paid fifty
thousand dollars a year; Mr. Newell is paid ninety dollars an hour to
come out and pick up trash?  That's a pretext.  You don't pay those kind
of people that kind of money to come out and pick up trash.  They were
obviously doing the provoking.

KELLY:  All right, hang on just a second, we've got Paul Harvey with "The
Rest of the Story"--uh, Bernadette, I know you have to go, but Clifton,
why don't you hang around for another five minutes or so.  Can you?

CLIFTON:  Sure.

KELLY:  I appreciate that.  Bernadette, thank you very much for talking
with us.

BERNADETTE:  Thank you very much for having us.  I really appreciate it,
and God bless you.

KELLY:  All right.  It's 3:32 on 85 KOA's Kelly & Company.

[BREAK]

KELLY:  Good afternoon, 85 KOA, Kelly & Company, Denver's most dependable
weather forecast...[reads forecast]...We're talking with Clifton Powell,
who was one of the protesters yesterday at the Planned Parenthood, who
suffered some injuries, twelve stitches, and he took four blows--Were you
charged with assault, Clifton?

CLIFTON:  No, I was not.  I was not charged at all with any crime whatsoever.

KELLY:  Now, I'm just going off the Planned Parenthood release that
FINALLY, after twenty-four hours, came out to the media, and says that
all three protesters were charged with assault.

CLIFTON:  That's not correct, no.  I was not charged.  They had an
opportunity to charge me yesterday with a crime, but they chose not to.
They took statements from me at the police headquarters, but they did not
charge me.

KELLY:  Why do you think that Planned Parenthood chose not to speak to
the media, when we were pursuing them so vigorously to try to find some
balance and to try to get both sides of this story?

CLIFTON:  Because they knew that two of their employees had done wrong,
and they didn't know how to handle that and deal with the media.  That's
what I believe.

KELLY:  Now, how far will _you_ pursue this?  Are you charging them with
assault, and are--will you pursue this in court?

CLIFTON:  I signed a--what they call "offense report", and that's up to
the city attorney to determine what charges are to be filed, if any.

KELLY:  What do you think you were doing wrong that would, uh, spur this
Mr. Jamieson, or this Mr. Newell, Mr. Newell was the one who was hitting
you, is that correct?

CLIFTON:  Yes--Mr. Newell.  With a steel baton.

KELLY:  What--possibly could you have done, that you have not done over
the last five years that--that has not been a problem, in doing what you
decide to do--Abortion aside,  what do you think you did to--to get Mr.
Newell so upset as to hit you?

CLIFTON:  The history goes back a little ways, but particularly the last
five or six weeks, the property, the symbolic speech on public access
which is attended to.  And then, yesterday, I wore a white lab coat
that's covered with fake blood, and I was holding a doll that was covered
with fake blood, and it could have been that, because that's the one
other thing beside--

KELLY:  Why do you use those--those props, if you will, um, because
that's repulsive to me?  Why would you decide to use that?

CLIFTON:  That's to show the people that are entering the abortion clinic
what really goes on in there, because no one really sees what goes on in
those places.  And they're very secretive, they don't allow any
regulation at abortion clinics, they don't allow any inspectors in their
places, that's something that we're trying to show the public and anybody
that's entering there, what really goes on, that abortion does kill
children, and that's murder of the unborn child.

KELLY:  And you choose to use these--what some would term outrageous,
using a baby casket, and so forth.

CLIFTON:  They're visual--we're not harming anybody, they're just visual,
they're protected by the First Amendment, free speech.

KELLY:  I've got to cut you off there, because we've got a Bronco update
coming up here...It's 3:44 on 85 KOA.

[BREAK]

KELLY:  85 KOA, Kelly & Company, we're talking with Clifton Powell, one
of the protesters who was injured yesterday by a Planned Parenthood
associate, Mr. Newell, and Gary Jamieson, I understand, has called us
back; however, we are now trying to get _him_ back, I'd love to get Mr.
Jamieson on the air, to talk about this--that would at least show a degree
of courage, rather than a transparent little press release 24 hours after
the fact.  I think it's very cowardly, and I think it's clear that the
Planned Parenthood people are on the defensive here.  However, the way
that this press release is written, and I underscore things like:
"spurious charges are some of the tactics that harass providers",
speaking of you and your organization, Mr. Powell--"another of their
tactics is to flood the media with false charges; we're sorry that the
media was so taken in by this incident..."  What do you feel when you
hear that?

CLIFTON:  Oh, I know it's not true, and it just makes me wonder what
their next tactic is--I mean, what--they're always on the offensive and
they're always trying to do their best to make us look as bad as
possible.  We're always trying to scramble around, trying to answer these
spurious charges _they_ always bring against us...

KELLY:  Well, we can't deny that there have been a couple of acts of
violence; how do you feel about the murdering of abortion doctors [sic]?

CLIFTON:  We deplore any violence of that type against abortionists.
We're there to peacefully protest, and we pray, and we sing, and read our
Bibles, and we preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ--we do all those things
that you find in the church, all the elements of the church down there.

KELLY:  Let's take a couple of calls...

[end of interview]
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Correction:  The rally will be held at 7:00 pm on Nov 30th in Colorado
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   What is Operation Rescue Colorado?
   
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