Conference yukon::christian_v7

    Here goes...the dream you've all (not) been waiting for!  Steve's weird
    dream, version 2.0.  I don't know why I'm bothering with this
    actually...but that has never stopped me before.  8^)
    
    The vividness of this dream is concentrated on the major events, with a
    few vague events taking place as well that are less detailed.  I'll try
    to asseble this as accurately as I can.
    
    The beginning is one of the vague parts, though I remember certain
    officials warning of certain problems (that's the vague part).  The
    warning has to do with certain structures, and something having to do
    with a lack of money.  I got the impression that this was more than a
    city-wide crisis, even though I was looking upon a single, moderately
    sized city (I have no idea which city I was in...though I seemed to be
    familiar with it).
    
    Next thing I know, the pavement is buckling and melting in places.  The
    thing I remember most clearly about this is that at first, the dream
    was in black and white, but when I questioned in my mind about the
    event, the melting part I was looking down upon (and only that part)
    turned red.  It was like lava.  This was like a confirmation that it
    was indeed what I first percieved it to be in black and white.  Not long 
    after this melting, the water came.   
    
    The water came in the form of a title wave (maybe I was in a coastal
    city?  who knows).  I felt that the fire and the water were connected
    somehow, though in the dream I was thinking that it was water-main
    breaks (which never would have accounted for the HUGE waves crashing in
    on the city).  I watches as the waves came at me from different
    directions, and stepped into the ground floor of what seemed to be a
    garage (like a mechanic's garage).  The waves crashed into the garage,
    but I wasn't too concerned for some reason.  Though I was behind a
    small, flimsy wall, I felt like it would hold up under the crashing
    waves...and it did.  The water crashed through the door, but not
    through the wall I was standing behind.
    
    Next thing I know, I am walking the dark streets at night.  Very few
    people are out, and I get the feeling that there are "scavengers"
    around, though none bother me.  The city is in shambles, though some
    buildings still stand.  There is still steam and heat from the "lava"
    around, though not much.  (obviously, at this point the water had
    receeded)
    
    I meet up with people I don't know in a small house that seems to
    miraculously survived (it was not on high ground).  From there, I
    left to go out into the city to look for something (survivors?  I don't
    really remember...I do remember being somewhat anxious about leaving
    the safety of the house).  I leave the house through the back door and
    slimb through the remains of a fence, then make my way out to the city. 
    I remember plainly seeing an easier way to get there, but in the
    several trips out, I never took it.  
    
    About the only other details I remember (I get the feeling that I never
    made it far into the city before returning to the house), is thinking
    about my parents, thinking that where they are located (middle america,
    on a hill) they would have been untouched by the flood. 
    
    Towards the end of the dream, I remember people with papers talking
    about how much this event would cost the nation...the numbers were
    astronomical.  I forget how many billions they said, but one thing I am
    certain of is that it was more than any other disaster ever, and that
    the number was beyond anything that this nation could hope to pay for.
    
    As I type this in, I remember one other portion of the
    dream...searching for food.  Not that I was hungry, but I got the
    impression that a supply of food (a fairly good supply, from my
    impression) would not be a bad idea.
    
    Well, that's all I remember for now.   Strange, no?  8^)  
    
    
    -steve

    Strange.. yes! :-) :-) 
    
    Interesting dream nonetheless.  What do you see is it's most
    significant meaning to you?

    re: .2
    
    Hi Nancy!
    
    Certain parts seemed rather meaningless (fill in?), but other parts
    seem to stick out as having some meaning...at least to me.
    
    1. As I was typing in the details of the dream, something occured to me
    that I never recognized.  A meteor landing in the ocean in a bay would
    do two things...it would cause a tremendous title wave and would also
    cause fires.  I got the impression of an earthquake in my dreams, but
    it could be caused by the impact of a large meteor.  And there was
    fire of a sort.  The two didn't seem to belong together in my dream,
    which may be why I was thinking about watermain breaks due to the
    "lava".
    
    2. The damage was not total, though it was widespread.  There were
    survivors.
    
    3. The money portion of the dream came at the beginning and ending of
    the dream.  First, the warning of a lack of money, then a "bill" for
    damages that go well beyond anything an emergency relief fund could pay
    for.  This suggests that the damage went well beyond the city I saw,
    and that perhaps the city/area had advance warning of some kind.
    
    4. I'm assuming the dream has some meaning...maybe wrongly so.  8^)
    
    5.  The flimsy-looking wall that protected me from the "tidle" wave had
    to do with faith (I had faith that the wall would hold, even though
    bigger and stronger walls had been destroyed by the rushing waters). 
    This was a far cry from my first dream in which panic struck me dumb in
    the presense of evil.  I wasn't frightened this time, though it
    appeared that I was going to be snuffed out by the waves.
    
    
    This is the second dream that had a similar theme...destruction of
    an area through natural disasters.  Though in both cases, the destruction 
    was not complete.  
    
    Earthquakes that create hexigonal chuncks of protruding earth with water
    between them..."lava" inside city limits, melting asphault, tidle waves
    and more earthquakes.  Boy, can I have doomsday dreams or what!  8^)
    
    Wonder what this week has in store for me?  8^)

re.0

My unsolicited advice 8*)...

Let dreams be dreams. 

The source is dubious, the content is random, and the interpretations are often
according to human fantasy.

Other than that they are fine.  8*)

ace

    Jeremiah 23:28 The prophet that hath a dream, let him tell a dream; 
    and he that hath my word, let him speak my word faithfully. What  is
    the chaff to the wheat? saith the LORD. 

    Well, I don't normally have dreams that have a theme or that I can
    retain for long...having two in one week was strange, so I decided to
    share them.
    
    As I said before, they are probably meaningless to anyone but
    me...though I have no idea what they are telling me either, unless I
    take them litterally.  8^)
    
    Earthquakes, floods, fire and the anti-christ, all in one week (two
    dreams).  What fun.  8^P
    
    -steve

    .6
    
    The intensity in which one experiences a dream... can be alarming.
    
    I know... and I have dreams that are very meaningful to *me*, but have
    no meaning prophetically or otherwise to anyone else.
    
    I had a dream about the demon in my father that was so vivid that it
    helped bring closure to some wounds from that relationship.�� 
    
    Let dreams be dreams, but also let dreams be what God intends for them
    to be.

	Biblical legitimacy of dreams
	------------------------------


	A close acquaintance of mine once had two dreams in the same night,
	very different in form, yet having similar warning messages.....

	They wanted to know the validity of such dreams.

	When discussed with a friend, the friend said "Ah-ha, two dreams
	confirms it," and then referenced Genesis 41:32

		"The reason the dream was given to Pharaoh in two forms		
		 is that the matter has been firmly decided by God,
		 and God will do it soon."

	For what it is worth, the two dreams gave a warning which did come
	true within three months.


	Bob

I believe dreams can be used.  I believe that dreams can also be 
pressure valves - unwinding the subconscious.

Having said that, permit me a little levity:

A man went to a doctor, concerned about his dreams.  He told the doctor
that in his first dream he was a wig wam, and in the second dream he
was a tepee.  The doctor interrupted, "Say no more!  I know what you're
problem is."  "You do?" replied the hopeful patient.  "Yes, you're
two tents."

%^)

re.8 and whoever else wants to rumble 8*)

	(I'll probably get labeled as the anti-dream guy  8*)

	Sometimes dreams come from God, sometimes they come from Satan,
sometimes they come from our psychology. You can't be certain from what source
they proceed from and more importantly you can't be certain about their meaning.
I'm not suggesting that they can't occur as channels for divine messages (I have
some vivid biblical ones myself) but in the New Testament economy I do not see
their relevance or at least that much emphasis on dreams.

	Another way to look at it is, why should God have to resort to
communicating to you through dreams when His New Testament arrangement is to
speak to you through the Holy Spirit? What are New Testament examples of the use
of dreams?

Regards,
Ace

	

re.9

	HOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOY... They don't get much more basic than that! 

8*)

p.s. Is that the same fella who dreamed he ate a 5 pound marshmallow and when he
woke up in the morning he found that his pillow was gone?  8*)

	

              
    re.10 Dreams and visions is one of the ways that God choose to speak 
          to us. Dreams are considered night vision. In the day time our 
          mind is too active to be sensitive enough to hear the inner 
          prompting of the Holy Spirit.
    
    re.0   I believe that the author of this note will soon see vision 
           since dream and vision is the same mode of God communicating to
           us. And of course the Devil will also use this channel once you
           started to receive dream and vision.
    
          I first experienced with dream and vision was when I started to live
          right with God. Unlike dreams from the flesh dreams that God gives 
          are always very clear and precise. The sequence of events in the 
          dream are not confusing though you may not understand them.
    
          If it is from God I believe also that there will be already somebody
          close ( a born again spirit-filled person) to you or avail to you 
          who can interprete and determine the meaning and the source of your 
          dream.
     
          I hope that help.
     
          Jeff             
    

re.12 Jeff


>   re.10 Dreams and visions is one of the ways that God choose to speak 
>          to us. Dreams are considered night vision. In the day time our 
>          mind is too active to be sensitive enough to hear the inner 
>          prompting of the Holy Spirit.

Hi Jeff,

	We should always distinguish our personal experience from God's Word.
Only God's Word is reliable. Our experience will vary, and it is not always
reliable.

	We have received the promise of the Spirit 24 hours a day. Whether we
experience it or not is a different matter. As you said, we become busy
sometimes and do not hear Him. Nevertheless, His principle is the same. He has
not said that He will speak to us through dreams at night because we are too
busy during the day! We should look to the New Testament for explanations on
dreams. Do you have any examples from the New Testament on the place of dreams
in the christian life?

Regards,
Ace

    There are examples of dreams in the OT prophesies...
    
    But as I said before, I claim nothing special about these dreams other
    than the fact that they are strange for me.
    
    While we're on the subject, I had another one last night.  This is
    TRULY strange, to remember three dreams so clearly inside of one week. 
    As noted earlier dreams can come from the Holy Spirit or Satan or an
    active subconscious mind...I don't claim to know where they are coming
    from at the moment.  They do seem to coincide with Revelations, with
    symbolism thrown in (like the hexegonal chuncks of earth...still
    haven't figured that one out   8^) ).
    
    Since the first dream that unnerved me so much, I have had one every
    three days (#3 last night).  Last night's dream jumped around a bit
    more than the others, but a few things stick out quite well.
    
    1) The feeling of impending cataclysm early in the dream...unlike the
    other two, there was no 'aftermath' in this one.
    
    2) I remember rooftops catching fire sporadically (aerial view)...like
    it was raining fire or something (though I never saw the cause)
    
    3) A large chunk of rock heading for the earth.  It never hit in my
    dream, though.  It was only on the way.
    
    There were also warnings of 'storms' in the early part of the dream.
    
    Not as clear as the other two, or as chronologically coherent...more
    like jumping from one event to another in rapid succession.  Once
    again, in the early part of my dream, I was with someone I knew (my Mom
    this time...of course I just talked with her on the phone for about an
    hour, so this is not our of the ordinary).
    
    
    Of course, maybe all this is created by my mind.  I was wondering if I
    would have another doomsday type dream...of course, I've been wondering
    that since the first dream, and it hasn't happened every night.  Before
    I went to bad last night, I was realaxed and in a good mood (listened
    to good upbeat music before going to bed), and was not thinking of
    doomsday dreams (at least consciously  8^) ).
    
    -steve  (the dream guy)  8^)

>    2) I remember rooftops catching fire sporadically (aerial view)...like
>     it was raining fire or something (though I never saw the cause)

There was a message a few years ago to a nun in Akita, Japan, approved locally
by the Catholic Church, which said that if mankind did not repent, God would
send fire from the sky which would kill 2/3rds of mankind (this is prophecied
in Zechariah).
    

    Let us remember, children of God, that if a child of God perishes in
    judgment against the people, that child goes to heaven, being spared
    what the final third must endure.  Pray the homecoming will be quick
    but moreso that we will endure to the end.
    
    MM

    I had a rather pointless dream the other night, regarding my former
    boss, a co-worker and a specific number and a conversation.
    
    The only reason it is notable, is that this dream/preminition happened
    the next day.  I didn't realize it until the number, 107, happened in
    the conversation, then the dream came back to me (I remembered the
    dream when I woke up too, but I didn't pay it any attention as it was a
    seemingly meaningless dream).
    
    The strange part of it all, is that I hadn't seen my x-boss for a
    couple of months (he got TFSO'd...he was in the parking lot when I came
    back from lunch that day...my co-worker was talking with him).  The
    number turned out to be our current head count after the latest waves
    of TFSO.
    
    The only reason I bring this up, is to ask what possible purpose did
    this dream serve?  I mean, it is hardly like my previous dreams
    mentioned in here (though this one has proven to be accurate).  This dream
    serves no purpose that I can think of, yet it came true...very
    accurately.  I found myself saying things that I did in the dream,
    vaguely realizing what was happening.
    
    Very strange...beyond the usual deja'vu that happens to me every now
    and then.
    
    
    
    -steve 

    .18
    
    I'd have to echo what Bob has written.  But also to test everything. 
    Remember in Acts Chapter 16, the woman who had the spirit of
    divination???  She was only pronouncing the truth, but Paul commanded
    the spirit to leave her.
    
    I had a dream about my father a couple of years ago that was rather
    revealing and extremely spiritual in which I was up against the demon
    in my father [who had sexually molested me].  This demon was perverse
    and did several things in my dream in the body of my now dead father.
    
    The scene was eerie as it was also in a coffin as it began to tempt and
    coerce me into resurrecting its life.
    
    Some say "its only a dream", ... I don't know.. to this day I praise
    God that he gave me the will in my dream to name the demon and proclaim
    him dead.

    Thanks.  You both may be right.   8^)
    
    There have been other, differnt types of dreams that I've had in the
    recent past.  One was regarding one of my best friends.  He was
    demon-possessed in my dream by a powerful demon (in my dream he had the
    hollyweird "red-eyes" and all...very creepy).  I cast the demon out
    even though I had doubts as to my ability to do so (I am not exactly a
    real mature Christian...still a toddler, if the truth be known  8^) ). 
    
    The demon wasn't happy and tried to get me, but he couldn't, so he
    tried to attach himself to others...I woke up soon after. (this dream
    occured a short time before my first apocalyptic dream...the
    earthquake/antichrist dream detailed in another topic)
    
    If the truth be known, there are times when I am uncomfortable around
    my friend, and times when his temper flies out of control.  This does
    not mean he is domon-possessed, but from personal past experience, rage
    can certainly take "possession" of you.  I used to have a nasty,
    uncontrollable temper, so I can relate to such things (but I'm feeling
    MUCH better now...  8^) ).
    
    Trouble does seem to find my friend wherever he goes, too.  Another
    mutural friend and I comment on this every now and then.
    
    
    -steve

    Many moons ago I had a dream which I shared with my soon to be husband. 
    It was of us walking up a long winding staircase to the home of a
    friend of his sister's.  When we reached the top (their apartment) I
    went into the kitchen and sat our <1 yr old son on the counter as I
    removed his blue snowsuit.  He was a cute little one.  I told my fiance
    we would have a boy (girls ran in the family - I am one of three, my
    sister had two already, my mother was one of 5, etc).  Sure enough one
    year later we were blessed with a boy.
    
    We have been talking alot this past year about whether to have another
    or not (my oldest is 9 and the next boy is 7).  It's been a hard
    decision (one we know is not completely ours 8^))...
    
    The other night I had a dream about the birth of our next child - a
    girl (which we want "wicked bad" - to coin a native "New Englanders"
    phrase)...however this girl was born with a severe defect.
    
    I am now wondering if this dream was something I had been thinking
    about (we were on vacation and I mentioned having another baby to my
    best friend while we were visiting over coffee one morning), but I was
    not concerned about birth defects.
    
    Would this scare you out of going for that third child?
    
    -sandy
    

    .21
    
    Hi Sandy!
    
    No, it wouldn't scare me out of having the third child.  The dream
    isn't a fact, it is a possibility.  Don't trust in yourself, trust in
    God.  If God chooses to give you a child with a birth defect, you will
    be blessed.  If God chooses to give you a healthy child you will be
    blessed. :-)  See how it works.  
    
    A close friend of mine has a brother with cerebral palsy.  Jamey is a
    wonderful person though he cannot speak and can barely sign due to his
    handicap.  But being around him is a wonderful experience and has
    taught a family a million lessons about life, love and faithfulness
    towards family that I don't know I'll ever learn.
    
    Just remember it's your faith to bear another child.  It's God's plan
    that will be rewarded.
    
    Your Sis,
    Nancy

Hi Sandy,

Sometimes people find that they're particularly liable to hear God in a 
certain way.  Not necessarily to say that 'this is what's going to happen', 
but rather, an encouragement to come before the LORD on that particular issue.

The general command is to multiply.  Obeying it is unlikely to bring you 
into conflict with God's best purposes for you.  However, if you feel that 
this may be a warning of a disabled child given for you to care for, it may 
be to encourage you to first examine your hearts carefully before the LORD, 
as to things like ...
	� How you hold your children before Him.
	� Would you feel *willing* to welcome the care of a disabled child 
	  for His sake.
	� Would you feel *eager* to welcome the care of a disabled child 
	  for His sake.
	� .... an encouragement to pray earnestly for the child before it 
	  is born - or even conceived.
	� Would you pray the more earnestly for the child's physical 
	  health, or for its salvation...

�    Would this scare you out of going for that third child?

If I truly felt that it was a word from the LORD to my heart, it would make 
me take the responsibility extra seriously.  As if the LORD were saying 
"I'm going to entrust a special responsibility to you, so be prepared..."
The preparation being one of heart and will, rather than of material
resources.  Maybe even considering that other commitments might have to be
released, in order to give sufficient attention to this trust.  I think I'd
feel humbled and honoured at the same time, rather than put off. 

Live in the grace and revelation that He gives for each hour.  Don't bear 
the burden He hasn't asked you to, but let your heart accept the 
possibility of a 'hard' blessing being for your greatest good...

I know that my wife has been aware of the LORD making her aware of certain 
'insignificant' points in advance, maybe as a confirmation that in spite of 
outward appearences (from the world's perspective), He *is* in the 
situation.  My pastor and his wife have one son, who has a cleft 
lip/palate.  His mother had some sort of warning concerning this too...

Incidentally, did you match the original dream with a particular occasion, 
with either son?

Meanwhile, I wouldn't take the dream as finally either 'prophetic' or 'false',
unless or until you feel specifically that it spoke to you spiritually....

						God bless
							Andrew

	No Sandy, it wouldn't scare me off.

	Even if one dream seemed prophetic, I wouldn't count all
	dreams as such.  I once had a dream that took place at a 
	shopping plaza.  I'd never been to the place.  Something about
	the dream made me remember the strangest details about the plaza.
	Six months later, I traveled to Marblehead, MA for the first
	time in my life, and drove right by the plaza from my dream.
	(couldn't believe it, either!).  
	I also dreamt about my babies alot when I was pregnant.  Thankfully,
	none of those dreams came true.  However, they did spark me to 
	pray earnestly for my unborn children each and every day.

	Karen

I had a very disturbing dream last night.  I'd like to share it with 
you, so you can be disturbed too. :-) :-)

I was a student.  Of what?  I have no idea, but I needed to get to 
school.  I woke up late and was rushed.  I missed my bus and the school 
was so very far to walk, but yet nearby.  A bus stopped in front of me 
and two men got out.  The bus was white with beautiful drawings of 
images of heavenly looking beings.  In the middle of the bus was the 
door and it looked like open hands to hold you as you went inside.  The 
bus even had scripture written on its side, though I cannot remember the 
scripture.  My reaction to this bus was disturbing in my spirit, but I 
thought they looked like they must be Christians.

The two men came out and began to try and get people to get onto this 
bus and it appeared as though they were passing out tracts.  One man, 
older in blue jeans, beard long hair came over to me and asked what was 
wrong, he could see I was troubled.  I told him I missed my bus to take 
me to school and he began to coerce me to ride "this" bus.   I asked him if 
this bus would be going to my school he said yes most assuredly, this bus 
goes everywhere.  

Hesitantly I went on the bus, I  was vulnerable, needy and he seemed so 
genuine and safe, he even claimed to be a Christian.  After on  the bus I 
noticed that this bus had persons of all kinds riding it.  At first this 
disturbed me because there appeared to be criminals and the sort as 
well.  But as I rode the bus longer and became familiar with everyone I 
began to feel at home like this was a good place.  I began to feel good 
about being there.   

For some reason, I looked at my watch and realized that 3 hours had 
passed and I was now extremely late for school.  I looked outside the 
bus and realized that we were in a completely different city now and my 
school was nowhere around this area.  I panicked, I looked at the man 
who'd lied to me about where this bus would take me.  I began to get 
upset with him as the bus pulled into its location.  He threw up his 
hands as though he had gotten on the wrong bus too and abandoned me in 
parking lot with the bus driver.  An unkind woman who was calling me 
names and laughing at me.  

I looked through my purse and I had $10 and I offered it to her, if she 
would just take me to my school in her car.  When she saw the money she 
became kind and took me to my school.

I was fearful of being rejected out of class by my teacher when I walked 
inside.  The class was dismissed on a break and my teacher was the only 
one there, except for what appeared to be a teacher's helper gathering 
paint supplies.  I knew the teacher's helper and his eyes lowered as I 
walked into the room, but he busily began trying to set me up a canvas 
in the class.  

Then, my teacher walked in, I burst into tears and apoligized for being 
late and explained how I had gotten onto this wrong bus.  The teacher 
lowering her eyes, walked over to me, pulled me into her with a hug and 
said I forgive you, but I was fearful for you too.   Her acceptance and 
forgiveness was overwhelming... but I woke at that moment.  

A feeling of peace just overwhelmed me.  What a way to wake up! :-)


    

    This dream reveals several things to me... see if this fits.
    
    I believe that God allowed me this analogy in my dream to let me "live"
    if you will, deception.  To know it intimately.  Remember, when I said
    yesterday, I wish there was way to truly know how these folks felt that
    were deceived by the likes of Jim Jones?
    
    I believe that God hears every utterance of our lips and this dream was
    an answer to my spoken word.  It also lies right in line with the
    preaching I heard this past Wednesday evening.
    
    First let me say that in my dream while I felt comfortable there was an
    uneasy associated with this event.  I'd say that when looking at false
    prophets we need to listen to that small uncomfortable voice and heed
    it as a warning.
    
    Secondly, which will sound like a contradiction, don't trust your
    feelings.  Feelings are what is the key to the deception.  A person
    cannot be deceived if they KNOW God's word and his Truths.  A person
    can be deceived if they are not well versed or "simple minded" [THIS
    DOES NOT MEAN STUPID, it means lack of knowledge], and they get a
    "feeling" about something.
    
    I'm a feeler, that is probably not news to too many of you who've known
    me for a while.  I'm such a feeler that I even buy groceries in that
    mode.  I feel the vegetables with my eyes and what is appealing at that
    time to me is what I buy.  :-)  Of course later I don't feel like
    eating it any more, or cooking it and now what... rotting veggies.
    
    I'm learning everyday to listen to the still small voice and KNOW the
    word of God better so that Satan's most powerful tool, "our feelings",
    will be harder to be used against me.
    
    In His Love,
    Nancy

    Gee, I would have interpreted it to say (since you have no drivable
    vehicle) to be careful which bus you take this weekend.
    
    8^)
    
    But, then there are times when I have a very simplistic way of looking
    at things.  8^)
    
    -s
    

 I'd suggest not eating fried okra ;-)



 Sorry..couldn't resist

    I read something yesterday that really spoke to me from "Grace Works"
    by Dudley Hall (definitely recommended reading).  The reason it
    probably spoke to me was because I "felt" like I was under bondage
    (I felt defeated in my Christian walk) until I went on a men's weekend back
    in February (see my into note 4.84).  Here is the quote:
    
    "I am constantly amazed at how simple and direct God is in dealing with
    his people.  Think of this simple statement: 'You shall know the truth, and
    the truth shall make you free' (Jn 8:32).  That means if there is any 
    bondage in our lives, somewhere, consciously or unconsciously, we have 
    internalized an inaccurate definition of reality.  We have taken a lie as 
    truth, and that lie brought darkness and bondage into our lives.  The only 
    cure for this dark condition is to hear the truth"
    
    As Christians, we may feel under bondage, but our feelings, in that case 
    are not a good indicator of reality. God says in the word that we are
    not under condemnation, that we are FREE from a performance based 
    acceptance (Rom 8:1,2), that He has already taken care of our sin
    condition (Rom 3:24-26).  That we are dead to sin (Ro 6:6).  That He
    now lives in us (Gal 2:20).  For a period of time, I was not living the
    victorious Christian life.  I was not "experiencing" the reality of
    what Christ has done for me.  My feelings told me that I was not
    measuring up to God's standards (which was true).  The reality was that
    God had already dealt with that situation.  What I needed to do was to
    receive the Truth and allow Him to live through me.
    
    Bill Gilham, in his book "Lifetime Guarantee" gives a good illustration
    on the mind, will, and emotions.  In the illustration, a man is chased
    into a log cabin by a huge man eating bear.  Now, the cabin is made of
    rail road ties, which are bolted together.  Once the man enters into
    the cabin and bolts the door, he is safe (this is Truth).  He has not had 
    time to discern his surroundings, however to know that he is safe.  So, 
    the man could have a heart attack and never benefit from his safety.  Once 
    he sees how sturdy the cabin is, his mind says - "I am safe".  His
    emotions are still bouncing off the ceiling, however.   At this point
    he has a choice with his will to either believe the truth and relax
    (faith), or to believe his emotions and not benefit from his safety.
    [NOTE:  I'm sure I haven't done Bill's illustration justice.  Read the
    book, it'll be well worth the effort].
       
    Love in Christ,
    
    Bing
    

    Nancy,
    
    Interesting dream, sis! ;)   Lay off the peanut butter and sardines
    pizza before bedtime, would you?  *&^)
    
    But seriously, I have come to see that the Lord often speaks to me
    symbolically in my dreams through visual "puns."  And often, you will
    see images that line up with slang or common expressions.  Try this for
    yourself.  Should the Lord not lay it out for you, you can begin to
    weigh your past experiences to gain understanding.
    
    In this case, one obvious visual pun would be "missing the bus"... that
    is to say, missing out on something, or not 'getting it'...  Does this
    make sense?  As you had just been instructed at your Wednesday evening
    service on false prophets, "feelings" et. al., I can see how the rest
    of your explanation would line up with the dream.
    
    In any event, praise God that He is the Giver and Interpreter of our
    dreams.  Have you asked Him what it means?  My final thought on this is
    that if God is truly behind communicating the images in your dream,
    then wait on Him for its meaning.  He'll give you understanding in due
    season.
    
    Love ya,
    
    -greta
    

    Greta,
    
    You gave some very valuable insight about dreams in your previous
    message.  Thanks Sis!  And to answer your question, I did ask God to
    give me the meaning behind the dream and to use a very common analogy,
    "the light went on" and bingo, it's truth was clear.
    
    Nancy

    .27
    
    Sandy, why I oughta!
    
    JIMBO, I will!!!! :-)
    
    yer just sorry you missed the NFO! 

    .32 - Good, Nancy! Glad the "light came on"  (geesh, now I'll probably
    start dreaming about lightbulbs) *&^)
    
    -gret

    :-)   Boing!!!
    
    

    I got up this morning, not rushed, took my shower and found my youngest
    son already dressed without my asking him.  What a gift I thought as my
    son beamed with joy over my praising him.  We left and I immediately
    was in a meeting from 8 until around 9:30 A.M. with my manager and
    group.
    
    As I was exiting the conference room, she appeared coming towards me.  
    I literally froze for a moment as my mind was racing to retrieve the
    memory of the dream I had about her last night.  I was walking with
    someone who saw my reaction and mused as to what caused it.  I can't
    even begin to tell you the feeling that came over me.  I had a message
    to give the woman who had just passed me from the hallway.
    
    I resisted saying she'll think I'm crazy!  And with a force beyond
    description I HAD to go to her desk and tell her this dream I had.
    I couldn't resist it and I knew it would nag at me until I obeyed the
    Spirit's calling.
    
    Let's call "her" Linda just for the sake of the story [I don't feel it
    proper to reveal her since she is my co-worker].  I approached her
    cubicle and began to explain that I struggled with doing this, but I
    knew it was the right thing to do and I hoped she would receive it from
    me.
    
    Lois, last night I dreamed that there was a man, who had no face, but a
    very mighty presence with whom I met.  He asked me if I knew you.  And
    I said yes that I did.  He then asked me how does she look?  I
    responded with that she looks wonderful, she seems bright, beautiful
    and may even have lost a few pounds.  He became very concerned, his
    voice changed and he said, "I care deeply about her.  She has pain in
    her heart.  Please let her know I asked about  her and that I care."
    
    She began to cry and weep... something that I had not remembered was
    that her father passed away just a few months ago.  She began to
    explain that she had just been struggling the last few days with some
    of the "firsts" after someone very close to you dies.  The first
    birthday, the first father's day, the first Christmas, etc., today,
    tomorrow and the following day is in this order, her daughter, sons and
    father's birthdays.   Then she had read a very disturbing book called
    "Embracing the Light".
    
    I hugged her close and told her that I felt the Lord was the person in
    my dream [she thought it may be her father].  I explained that if her
    father is in heaven, then perhaps her father had spoken to the Lord
    about her and used me as His instrument to convey the Love of the
    Father/father to her.
    
    I don't know, but I had to obey the Spirit and I'm glad I did.
    
    Love in Him,
    Nancy
    
    
    

    Nancy, praise the Lord for you being sensitive to the Holy Spirit's
    beckoning!
    
    Mike

    1Corinthians 12:8  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of
    wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

    
    I was just over in Womannotes and read through Nancy's note (335?) on
    dreams.
    
    I thought it was quite coincendental (well, not really) that this topic
    has just come up with me.
    
    Yesterday, an older woman in our church approached me.  This was not
    strange to me since this is someone that I usually have interaction
    with, however, what she said gave me pause.  She proceeded to tell me
    that sometime during the past week (don't remember the day) she had a
    dream about me doing such-and-so.  She said that the Lord has given her
    dreams about people before that have come to pass.  On several
    occasions, this woman also has given words of knowledge to people.  She
    said the dream had an impact on her because it stood alone, she had no
    other dreams that night.  (I guess she usually has several dreams in a
    night.) 
    
    I didn't really know how to respond to this.  I basically said "Really? 
    That's interesting."  If the event in the dream really did come to pass, 
    I would be thrilled.  My "problem" is that I don't want to read too
    much into this.  I suppose God may have been using her to let me know
    this thing will happen (it's something I have been working toward), but 
    for some reason I'm hesitant - lack of faith?  fear of having my hopes
    crushed?  I'm not sure.  I'm guarding against putting my faith in a
    dream, instead of the Lord.
    
    Do any of you have dreams and visions for other people?  
    Have you been on the receiving end?
    
    Karen   

    I've been on the recieving end, and once in a blue moon I have one
    myself.  You have to be careful who is telling you this.  When a 
    certain person I know tells me something like this, I know its a "new
    age" thing and I ignore it.  The way I look at it, if it occurs thats
    good and if it doesn't, then God didn't intend for it to occur.
    
    
    Donna

    Notes in 583.0 and 583.1 have been moved to this topic of the same
    nature.
    
    Nancy
    Co-mod CHRISTIAN

Matthew 1:20  
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord 
appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not 
to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of 
the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 2:12  
And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, 
they departed into their own country another way. 
v.13  And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord 
appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child 
and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee 
word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

Matthew 2:19  
But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a 
dream to Joseph in Egypt,

Matthew 2:22  
But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his 
father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned 
of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee:

Matthew 27:19  
When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, 
saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered 
many things this day in a dream because of him.

Acts 2:17  
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of 
my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall 
prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall 
dream dreams:


    

    I realize you saw these verses over in WN too.. however, I thought them
    to be valuable to demonstrate how God uses dreams.
    
    I, too, have questioned the origin of said dreams or visions as I've
    had them, but can tell you that I believe as long as I am a child of
    the King, I can know HIS voice. :-)
    
    I knew His voice in my previous dream message.
    
    Love in Him,
    Nancy

Karen,

My experience with things such as this is that if this is from God, then His
purpose in revealing it is often just to make it clear to you when it comes
to pass who was behind it.  There are times when I believe we are called to
put a lot of hope into the fulfillment of a promise to us that comes in this
form, but since at this point you are not sure that this is truly a word from
the Lord, then it's probably not appropriate for you to invest much into it.
It may be from the Lord, and it may not.  Trusting in it artificially when
you don't really know that it's from the Lord sets you up to be disappointed
in the Lord if it was not from Him.

Personally, I'd just put that tidbit of information on the back shelf, and
pray as to how it applies to me.  Then if it DOES come to pass, you know
exactly who to thank for it.

Paul

I had the most incredible dream in which my dear friend Ed visited me.  
This dream was not a dream of situations, but a dream of having a 
conversation Ed.  He was there and light was around him and he was 
sitting in the air as one would sit on the floor with his legs stretched 
out in front of him.  He was simply breathtaking with the light that 
surrounded him. 

In my dream I was able to tell him that  I loved him and I missed him 
very much.  And I could see that he missed us too... he missed me.  I 
had something of which I was very ashamed to confess to him and he 
acknowledged that he knew.  I told him I was so sorry and he replied 
that it was inconsequential to him where he was, but I could see the 
hurt in his face at what I'd done.

All-in-all it was a very peaceful and fulfilling conversation, I wanted 
to hug him and he said that it was impossible for me to do so.   So, in 
my dream I retreated with empty arms again.  

This was perhaps the most vivid dream I've ever had.  And it left me 
with very mixed emotions.  A sense of fulfillment, yet a longing for 
more.

Nancy
    

    Amen,

    the healing has begun.

    God Bless you Nancy

>    Amen,
>
>    the healing has begun.

Amen again!

A very soft, but heart-felt "Praise God!" My joy for you, Nancy, is 
boundless, and springs forth from a *very* deep source. My your healing 
continue and grow, dearest sister. 

Holy Hugs,

Brian