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| 481.1 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Mon May 23 1994 14:33 | 12 |
| Another sound bite:
Let anyone who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.
...Woman, where are they who condemned you? ... Neither do I condemn
you.
John 8:7,10,11
The rest of what he said to her:
Go your way, and from now on do not sin again.
John 8:11b
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| 481.2 | Only that part of the Gospel that itching ears want to hear | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Mon May 23 1994 14:34 | 6 |
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The popular pablum the press puts over on us is only part of
the picture.
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| 481.3 | Another byte | NWD002::RANDALL_DO | | Wed May 25 1994 18:31 | 14 |
| Sound bite:
Christianity, boiled down, is "Love your neighbor as you love
yourself."
The rest of the story:
Two commandments. "love the Lord your God with all
your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with
all your mind," and "love your neighbor as yourself". (Luke 10:27)
So, being a Christian turns out to be more than "be a nice guy"...
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| 481.4 | Saved by faith, required to do those works God ordains | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Thu Jun 30 1994 20:10 | 12 |
| The sound bite, from Ephesians:
2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of
yourselves: it is the gift of God:
2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
The rest of the story is in the next verse:
2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good
works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
/john
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| 481.5 | | JULIET::MORALES_NA | Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze | Thu Jun 30 1994 20:15 | 11 |
| -1
I happen to agree with you there /john. But verse 10 doesn't imply
works is required for salvation, but that works is a result thereof.
I know that in your doctrine this is a tad different, but is the
difference worth bantering about? I don't think so. I accept you as
my Brother in Christ regardless of this difference.
Your Sis,
Nancy
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| 481.6 | | TOKNOW::METCALFE | Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers | Fri Jul 01 1994 11:27 | 5 |
| > I happen to agree with you there /john. But verse 10 doesn't imply
> works is required for salvation, but that works is a result thereof.
A careful reading of John's reply would see that he makes no such implication
about verse 10. He is merely completing the whole thought.
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| 481.7 | | JULIET::MORALES_NA | Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze | Fri Jul 01 1994 12:08 | 3 |
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Why thanks for making that more clear.
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| 481.8 | | COVERT::COVERT | John R. Covert | Fri Jul 01 1994 12:13 | 21 |
| Another sound-bite (from St. Augustine):
"Love God and do as you will"
The rest of the story:
"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15)
This is a very pernicious sound-bite, if it is intended to imply anything but
Augustine's call to moral absolutes. Augustine knew full well that he who
loves God will want to do what is right. The will of he who loves God will
be in conformance with the will of God, through the working of grace, so that
he who loves God does God's will.
St. Augustine is a proponent of the concept that true freedom is found only
in Christ and obedience to him, and that the more we are in Christ and the
more sanctified we are, the more we will be free to obey Christ. Hence his
statement is not to be understood as license, but freedom from sin to do
what is right.
/john (with help from others more studied in Augustinian theology than I)
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| 481.9 | | MKOTS3::GELE | ARISE,SHINE,FOR THE LIGHT HAS COME | Sat Jul 02 1994 03:46 | 4 |
| It could be said this way.
We are saved TO work and not BY works.
In His service:
Sylvain
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