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| 467.1 | which raises a question | LEDS::FIESTER | | Thu May 05 1994 18:21 | 12 |
| Interesting topic, Mark.
I've often struggled with the verse that exhorts us to "be perfect,
even as your Father in Heaven is perfect."
Anyone care to comment on that, in light of the definition "fit for the
purpose for which it was intended."
Wondering,
-greta
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| 467.2 | | NACAD::MORANO | | Thu May 05 1994 18:43 | 9 |
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! <<< Note 467.1 by LEDS::FIESTER >>>
! -< which raises a question >-
!I've often struggled with the verse that exhorts us to "be perfect,
!even as your Father in Heaven is perfect."
I think you said it perfectly Greta! ;^) (Sorry couldn't resist.)
PDM_in_one_of_those_rare_moods ;^)
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| 467.3 | | GIDDAY::BURT | Scythe my dandelions down, sport | Thu May 05 1994 20:00 | 7 |
| and let us not forget the ****Perfect word processing & office system.
(much as I'd sometimes like to)
Chele
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| 467.4 | more than one word? | DNEAST::DALELIO_HENR | | Fri May 06 1994 12:48 | 13 |
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Hi Mark,
If I remember correctly there is more than one koine word that is translated
"perfect".
It would probably be a fruitful word study.
One of them is (I think) : teleos - or something like that and means
complete or finished.
Hank
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| 467.6 | What I Thought...But Maybe 'Perfect' Not Correct Word? | YIELD::BARBIERI | | Fri May 06 1994 16:32 | 9 |
| Hi,
Maybe perfect is the wrong word to use for something I believe
God will produce in the last generation before He comes, but I
do believe that God will perfectly reproduce His character in
His church before He returns; that is though they can choose to
sin, they won't.
Tony
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| 467.7 | | TOKNOW::METCALFE | Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers | Fri May 06 1994 17:23 | 33 |
| Word study:
Strongs lists the following numbers for the word "Perfect"
Hebrew 8549
8003
4357
1585
8535
8552
8537
1584
8503
3559
8552
and there is more which I'll try to get to when I have the chance.
Matthew 5:48 which Greta brought up is Greek 5046:
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven
is perfect.
From 5056; *complete* (in various applications of labor, growth, mental
and moral character, etc.); neut. (as noun, with 3588) completeness:
- of full age, man, perfect
It will make an interesting study. Even in English we have lots of different
meaning for Per'fect and per-fect'. Any of you with online Strong's concordance
can help by pulling these out for examination.
Re: .6 (Tony) Your view does not contradict this idea of "perfect" (i.e. being
completed). I'm not certain the view of the "last generation" is correct,
but never found it to be a particularly bothersome view.
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| 467.8 | | TOKNOW::METCALFE | Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers | Fri May 06 1994 17:28 | 13 |
| Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven
is perfect.
Be ye therefore "fit for the purpose for which you were intended," even
as your Father in heaven is "fit for the purpose for which He is intended."
This is an understandment of God (almost) for he actually is the definition
of His own intent (Love). "I am that I am" declares His uniqueness. But
He certainly is fit for any purpose whatsoever as He intends. But this phrase
means that God is COMPLETE and we are to be COMPLETE as God is COMPLETE.
Point to Ponder.
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| 467.9 | ok | LEDS::FIESTER | | Fri May 06 1994 18:28 | 5 |
| .2 PDM -- wise guy *&^P
.8 thanks, Mark!
-g
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| 467.10 | | TOKNOW::METCALFE | Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers | Mon May 09 1994 11:29 | 26 |
| >But this phrase means that God is COMPLETE and we are to be COMPLETE as
>God is COMPLETE.
This thought just came to me, because I'm celebrating my 15th wedding
Anniversary on Thursday (May 12). What does it mean to be complete?
How is it that I am incomplete?
Before I was married, I felt complete enough, but after I was married
I understood that I could no longer be complete without my wife! Well,
in addition to this, our marriage could not be complete without being
founded on God and in God.... now, we have a complete marriage because
all the pieces are there.
Being fit for the purpose for which you are intended also has varying
levels of function. For example, my marriage completion does not mean
that some who are called to be single can never be complete; in fact,
they can be completed without a mate (especially if they are called to
it). I can be complete in my function as street sweeper, as well as
be complete as a father - unrelated functions. So what does God mean
when He wants us to be complete? For what purpose did God intend us?
Is there a specific function about which this verses is intended?
Be perfect (complete) as God is perfect (complete).
Unity of will, unity of purpose, unity of spirit.
Mark
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| 467.11 | | KAHALA::JOHNSON_L | Leslie Ann Johnson | Thu May 12 1994 15:23 | 1 |
| Happy 15th Wedding Anniversary !!!! --Leslie
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| 467.12 | | TOKNOW::METCALFE | Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers | Thu May 12 1994 15:34 | 3 |
| What a nice topic to put your wishes in, Leslie. Thank you.
And may God comfort you at this time of loss of your grandmother.
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