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    The system crashed and I lost my first note, so I'll try again:
    
    I'm a big fan of Focus on the Family.  I feel Dr. Dobson is a
    tremendous leader in the arena of politics and the family.  The 
    fact that his ministry has grown and continues to grow at a
    rapid rate (and spin off other ministries such as Family Research
    Council, headed by Gary Bauer) shows God's blessing on this much
    needed work.  I think this is one of the few ministries that has
    not lost the "common touch" - meeting people's needs where they're
    at - remembering their roots - Who put them where they are at
    and Why. 
    
    I subscribe to Focus on the Family magazine, Citizen magazine, and
    receive Dr. Dobson's monthly newsletter.  All of these publications
    are thought-provoking, insightful, encouraging, and are useful
    tools for any family, whether you have children or not.
    
    I would like to visit their new headquarters in Colorado Springs
    if I ever make it to Colorado.
    
    Karen
    

 I'm a supporter of FOTF as well.  I first became acquainted with them
 several years ago when the film series "Focus on the Family" came out.
 I've heard Gary Bauer speak several times and admire the work he does.

 I received a tape from them that featured the dedication ceremonies
 of their new headquarters which featured Dr. Dobson, Tony Evans (excellent
 message) Gary Bauer (a short but very much to the point message) and 
 Chuck Colson.


 I don't subscribe (yet) to all of their literature but I do get mailings
 from them (got one just yesterday that I haven't had a chance to read).



Jim

    I also support Focus on the Family. Living approximately 2 miles from
    the new headquarters and knowing quite a few employees of FOTF. Dr.
    Dobson is a huge supporter of Boy Scouts of America as well as BSA (our
    council anyway) supporting FOTFs efforts....
    
    If I can only say one thing that disturbs me about the company. Again,
    knowing quite a few employees of FOTF, I feel FOTF needs to "Focus on
    the families" of their employees. There are a few cases I am aware of
    that indicate FOTF does not quite "practice what they preach".
    
    You see, in their effort to assist families in crisis, they tend to
    work their employees to excess. Late nights, early mornings, etc.
    
    My wife worked for them for about one week. She quit because she had
    been propositioned while working, by a male employee. When she
    confronted management, she was told those kinds of things didn't happen
    at FOTF..
    
    NOW, please don't get me wrong. It is a great company doing great
    things. I do think they need to be sure NOT to forget the employee's
    family and employee themselves in their quest....
    
    In short, they just need to NOT lose the "focus on the family", their
    family as well as everyone elses....
    
    Bob
    

    re: .3
    
    WOW!!  I was shocked to read your note, Bob.  I guess I felt the
    same way re: "things like that don't happen here."  A good reminder
    not to put people and things on a pedestal - they are imperfect.
    
    I am quite surprised that "they" (Personnel or whoever told your
    wife that) had that attitude however.  Don't they watch the news?
    Every other day there's another case of a church member/priest,
    etc., involved in sexual harrassment/abuse charges.  It's WRONG
    to deny these things happen in "Christian" circles, because they
    do.  The church (Body of Christ) needs to pull their heads out 
    of the sand.
    
    Karen
     
    

    Don't take what I said the wrong way... I think Focus on the Family is
    a great company... In fact, I have a VP friend and brother in Christ
    who I've been job hunting with... He happens to be the VP of Human
    Resources...
    
    According to him, Focus doesn't use networking... Hard to believe, but
    I don't think he understands... I'll learn him... 8>)
    
    Bob

    I listen to FOTF on the radio, it's on twice a day broadcast from a
    local Christian radio station (one broadcast is in the afternoon and is
    a repeat of the morning show).  I really like the show, very
    enlightening and very Biblical.  Dr. Dobson has the benefit of insights
    as a psychologist and a Bible scholar.
    
    He also keeps abreast of events and bills of political importance, and
    tries to keep his listeners informed.  
    
    -steve

    fotf IS A BREATH OF FRESH air!!!!  I'm thankful to God for their
    persistence on behalf of the real families in America.

 AMEN!

    I also enjoy and listen to FOTF.  I rejoice that such a ministry is
    on so many stations, and is allowed in this country.
    
    However;  not to take away from FOTF I have had my eyes opened about a
    few things since becoming a member of Promise Keepers.  They are not
    negative about FOTF or other organizations.  But realize it, like it or
    not the application of the scripture of this and most radio programs
    are focused on Middle/Upper class families consiting of Mother/Father
    and kids.
    
    There is a whole bunch of people out there that do not fit this mode,
    that really need to know the scripture and how to apply it in their
    lives.  The applications that are preached about families does not apply in
    the inner city areas.  one ex here we must spend much more time filling in
    the gap of absent fathers, of being fathers and big brothers to
    hundreds of kids, not just our.  We must be sensitive to these needs
    and learn the differences in the culture to be an effective witness in
    this much needed area.  Teaching on how to do this is not readily
    available.  Also teaching on reaching kids who have no parental
    guidance and are involved in drug/rock culture is difficult to come by,
    with Bob Larson probably being the only Christian Radio program dealing
    with this area.  Try telling an abused child they can trust their
    Father in Heaven, it is not the way to start a witness to them.
    
    Again I don't have anything against FOTF and other groups that are
    tailored to the mid/upper income levels, but next time you decide to
    find a minstry to support you might consider looking at some of the
    other ones.
    
    If you doubt the intended audience of Dobsons books, look at any of the
    covers.
    
    Sparky
                                   

    Hi Sparky-
    
    Focus on the Family, as with any other organization, is going to be 
    led into a specific area of ministry - theirs happens to be the 
    family; as God designed it to be.  I understand that many (the
    majority?) families today don't fit the father/mother/2-kids-and-a-dog 
    mold.  However, I think in the past 6 - 12 months, FOTF has recognized 
    this and started to address some of these issues (I specifically 
    remember issues surrouding single parenthood were mentioned.)
    
    But as with any organization, they cannot be all things to all people.
    
    If you are familiar with other organizations that help families, would
    you please share information about them?  I for one would be
    interested.  There are just so many hurting people out there, I
    sometimes wonder how we can reach them all.
    
    Thanks,
    Karen
    

    Sparky,
    
    Your concerns are valid, but maybe you do not recognize that FOTF is
    helping that inner city child, but establishing the Biblical Basis for
    the Family, so that child can know what he should strive for.  The
    present society is pushing for moral relativism, which recognizes
    anything you want to recognize.  That is the greatest diservice you can
    do for that inner city child.  We need to give him the Biblical Goal
    for the family, which Jim Dobson is doing.
    
    Also, recognize that each year FOTF sponsers summer camps with a sports
    focus for families without fathers (for whatever reason).  If you saw
    the picture of last years campers, they were not middle/upper income
    suburbanites.  They are also very active in promoting Promise Keepers,
    and Coach Bill is outspoken in his support of FOTF.
    
    While I actively support FOTF I have been far more involved in
    supporting the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, which doesn't say that
    one is better or anything.  Just that my interest is heavier in FCA. 
    You obviously are more impressed with Promise Keepers.
    
    In His Love,
    
    Daryl

    I didn't want to slight or offend anyone, I just wanted to point out
    there is a need for both.  I do feel though with most of the radio
    outreach being about traditional families, we may be putting up a
    barrier between the single parent/blended family and singles and
    traditional families, as well as income level and race.  No you can't
    be all things to all people, I agree, and my problem isn't with a
    single ministry, they all are great.  Maybe it is Houston, but I can
    get 3 fm and 4 am all religous stations, and all of them are geared
    towards traditional family.  I understand that they must survive off of
    listener donations, and they have to tailor their programming to
    maximize the giving, but I would in a perfect world desire a mix.  Like
    I said, I don't know of any radio minstry that does deal with problems
    the inner city is facing, from their propective.  I know there are some
    fantastic preachers that are really blest with knowledge in this area,
    but they either can't or don't wish to get the air time.
    
    I think the FCA is a great organization that I was involved in during
    high school, and probably has one of the better avenues to reach these
    kids, I had forgotten about them, Thanks for mentioning them, Sports is
    a big draw in this area.
    
    I do see Promise Keepers as a way to reach this area, not through the
    kids, but through the men.  It was at a local PK seminar that I finally
    realized that there is a whole different world out there that needs to
    know about God's Love and forgivness, but they need to be reached in
    non-traditional methods.  Kind of like when you go to a marriage
    seminar and realize that women are different than men, and have a whole
    diffent set of needs.
    
    Sparky

    Sparky,
    
    Maybe I went overboard in misinterpreting your concern, glad to see
    we're in the same church if not the same pew.
    
    May I urge you to be cautious, however.  Because, we need to ensure
    that we do not change the message to attract the target.  When I go
    talk to a FCA Huddle, I can't dilute the message or alter it, because
    the kids don't have a father at home, and they don't have as much money
    as I do.  The Bible says the father is the head of the household.  Now
    I may get them to listen, because of the sports connection, but the
    message is the message.  The FOTF ideals are taken from the Bible and
    that means they are unchangeable, but that's why they use the summer
    sports camps for kids with no father present.
    
    Here in LA, we do get a couple of programs on different Christian
    stations that are Negroes from the inner city talking to Negroes in the
    community, but as you state, it is economics for how long they can stay
    on the air.
    
    Daryl

    	re FotF not focusing on situations outside the "traditional"
    	family structure:
    
    	They have just started up a new monthly publication for the 
    	single parent.

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>JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze"     6 lines   4-AUG-1994 13:46
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>    Joe, friend, buddy ol' pal, :-)
>    
>    A tape and a station would be wonderful!
>    
>    Your Sis,
>    Nancy
    
    
    	I have received numerous requests for Boston area stations, and
    	Nancy's for who-knows-where in Calif.  Are you in San Fran Nancy?
    	You can find them on 	KCBC-AM 770  m-f 7:30AM, or 
    				KFAX-AM 1100 m-f 1:00AM\
    						 9:00AM \ same show repeated.
    						 4:30PM / 
    						 9:00PM/
    
    	I also have listings for dozens of other towns all up and down
    	calif.  
    
    	As for Boston:		WEZE-AM 1260 m-f 1:30AM, 7:30AM, 12:30PM
    						 8:30PM.
    	
    	       Worcester:	WVNE-AM 760 m-f  8:00am, 12:30PM
    
    	There are also a Springfield and New Bedford station listed.
    	Massachusetts has one of the shortest lists of stations that
    	carry it.
    
    	Anyone want New Hampshire stations?  I have 17 listings, some
    	of them are Derry, Concord, Manchester and Seabrook.
    
    	There is even one for Truth Or Consequences, New Mexico!
    
    	There are only two states that don't have a station that airs
    	Focus On The Family.  (The listing has 48 states.)  I didn't
    	bother to figure out which two aren't there.  Washington DC
    	even has 5 stations that carry it!  (I wonder if anyone there
    	listens...)  I even have Canada and US Territories listings.

   WDER in Derry NH has FOTF at 7AM and 12noon (or is it 11:30) Monday through
   Friday.




 Jim

    	The Focus on the Family radio broadcast on marriage in which my
    	wife and I participate, formerly scheduled for Sept 14-15, has 
    	been preempted by a special program on the Cairo conference and
    	will be rescheduled for some time in November.

    	re .17
    
    	The broadcasts will be aired Dec 19-20.

    	.17
    
    	The broadcasts are airing today and tomorrow.  I haven't heard
    	today's yet.  My wife heard us, and she said we did OK.  I'll
    	get to hear it tonight.  We got preview tapes, but the day-1
    	tape was mistakenly replaced with a day-2, so we got two day-2's.
    
    	We should get 10 or 20 copies (I don't recall what they promised
    	us) for distribution some time after the airing.

    I caught the last 15 minutes of FotF last night.  Joe and Linda
    did great.  Thank you for being so open and honest.  I was
    blessed by the show and am eagerly awaiting part 2 tonight.
    
    Pam

	I caught today's broadcast, which made me sorry I  missed
	yesterday's.

	Now, whose got the 800 number so I can order up a tape ?

	Karen

	

    Karen
    
    I don't have the 800# but the address is
    
    Focus on the Family
    Colorado Springs, CO 80995
    
    Just give them the date of the show you want.
    
    Pam

 Call 18005551212 and they'll give you the number..





 Jim who used to have it here but can't find it.

    Yes, well done indeed, Joe.  I caught a few minutes yesterday morning
    and heard you and Linda.  Wish I could have listened to the whole
    thing.
    
    -steve

    	If we get all the copies that they said they would send us, I'll
    	release one or two to Notes-land.  Y'all can mail it among
    	yourselves for those who missed all/part, or who want to share
    	it with friends.
    
    	I haven't heard day-2 yet, but apparently most of the focus on
    	the second day is on the other couple who climbed from the brink
    	of divorce through the Retrouvaille weekend.

    	We received some tapes of the two-day broadcast.  I can 
    	distribute a few of them to those from this conference who want
    	to hear them or lend them to friends.  I won't expect them
    	back.  You can pass them among yourselves.  (Because we only
    	have a limited number, I can't give them to anyone to keep.
    	Once you've listened to them, please pass them on to the next
    	person who wants to listen.)
    
    	Send me mail if you are interested in receiving a copy.

    csc32::j_oppelt
    
    ME ME ME! :-)

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