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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

379.0. "Manuscripts outside of the Bible" by GYMAC::RDUSATKO () Wed Jan 19 1994 12:05

    I would like to get as clear a picture as possible of how the early
    church operated, primarily how they practiced the basic doctrines and
    if there be any other writings they may have had besides those which
    are in the bible. Are there some which have never been translated into
    English? Even if they might be questionable and therefore didn't make
    the cannon, I would be very much interested in reading them (I recently
    read that Revelations and Hebrews almost didn't make the cannon). And
    most important of all, how could I get access to them? (Since I live in
    Europe, I could easily go to Rome or anywhere else in Europe) 
    
    I read of the existance of 'Gospel of Hebrews' and the 'Gospel of the
    Egyptians', 'Acts of Paul', 'Gospel of Peter', 'Acts of John',
    'Apocalypse of Peter'. Is there any way I could find them or order them? 
    What about a list of 'latin-only writings' or 'greek-only writings'?
    
    
    
    Your brother in Christ,
    
    
    
    Rodger Dusatko
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379.1JULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeWed Jan 19 1994 12:238
    Rodger,
    
    We just recently had a Bible conference and there were duplications of
    the original manuscripts in greek/hebrew.  And you can order your own
    duplications from the museum in Orlando Florida... let me get the name
    and address tonight and post it for you.
    
    Nancy
379.21st Century MaterialsMRKTNG::WEBERNancy Weber @MKOWed Jan 19 1994 13:1415
    Rodger,
    
    If you want to know about the "early" church materials you might want to go
    back to look at what the 1st Century believers used as materials. These
    would include, outside of the Old Testament, the Talmud, Mishnah, and
    various other materials. Both Yeshua (Jesus) and Paul refered to these
    text (Oral Law that is) and called them "LAW". In fact Paul reference
    to telling woman to keep silent in the church as the law commands does
    not refer to the law of the Old Testament, but to one of the tractates
    of the Talmud. To understand that reference of Paul you'd need to know
    the contents of that tractate.
    
    Copies of the Talmud and Mishnah are available in english.
    
    nancy
379.3Epistle to LaodicaeaLUDWIG::BARBIERIGod can be so appreciated!Fri Jan 21 1994 15:235
      I heard that there's an epistle of to Laodicaea that is (of course)
      extrascriptural.  If anyone knows how to obtain a copy of it, please
      let me know.
    
                                                Tony
379.4CHTP00::CHTP04::LOVIKMark LovikFri Jan 21 1994 15:3414
    Colossians 4:16 And when this epistle is read among you, cause that
        it be read also in the church of the Laodiceans; and that ye
        likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.
     
    There are some -- I know that Conybear and Hawson (sp?), the authors of
    "The Life and Epistles of the Apostle Paul", take the stand -- who
    believe the the "epistle to the Laodiceans" is none other than what we
    know as the epistle to the Ephesians.  It seems the the word
    "Ephesians" may be "extraneous" in many early manuscripts.  They feel
    that several copies of the epistle were distributed, with a different
    "location" filled in the the greeting.  The copy that was sent to the
    church at Ephesus ended up being "preserved".
    
    Mark L.
379.5CSLALL::HENDERSONActs 4:12Fri Jan 21 1994 15:5010


 I've heard that explanation as well.





Jim
379.6The Apostolic Fathers & proximate writingsKALI::EWANCOEric James EwancoFri Jan 21 1994 16:0141
Mark is right; if there is an Epistle to the Laodiceans separate from Ephesians,
it is not extant, that I know.

In another conference, I mentioned to Rodger,

St. Clement, Bishop of Rome, Epistle to the Corinthians, 80 A.D.
An Anonymous Sermon (sometimes called [pseudo]Clement's Second Epistle to
the Corinthians), 2nd century?
St. Ignatius, bishop of Antioch, + 110 A.D 
  Epistle to the Magnesians
                 Philadelphians
                 Romans 
                 Smyrnians 
                 Trallians
          to St. Polycarp
  (all 110 A.D.)
Epistle of [pseudo]Barnabas, 70/79 or 117/132 A.D.
Shepherd of Hermas, circa 140-155 AD
The Martyrdom of St. Polycarp, 157 A.D.
Epistle of St. Polycarp of Smyrna to the Philippians,135 A.D.
Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (or the Didache), late 1st century to early 2nd
St. Irenaeus of Lyons (140 A.D. - 202 A.D.)
  Against Heresies, 150 A.D.
  Presentation of the Apostolic Preaching, 190/200
  On Sole Sovereignty, A Letter to Florinus
  Letter to Victor of Rome, 190 A.D.
St. Justin the Martyr (100/100 A.D. - 165 A.D.)
  Apology, 1st & 2nd, circa 150 A.D.
  Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, 155
   Resurrection
Epistle to Diognetus, 125 A.D. or 200 A.D.
Martyrdom of St. Perpetua & St. Felicity, 2nd century

plus
Fragments of St. Papias, 130 A.D.


All of the preceding are authentic (but pseudoepigraphous where noted) works
recognized as orthodox in doctrine throughout the history of the church (e.g.
by the Catholic and Orthodox churches).