Conference yukon::christian_v7

OK, I'll start out.

My current weight is somewhere around 285, and my goal is to stabilize at 205.
I'll be joining Bob in trying to lose 2 lbs a week, which if all goes well
should put me down to 205 by mid-October some time.

Paul

 I'm at 219 right now and want to get to about 185..2# a week would
 put me sometime in March.



 Monday weigh in is fine with me.




 Jim


 PS..thanks for starting this Paul/Bob..it helps when one knows one isn't
 in this alone :-)

    I'll join in also, I have been working on it casually for a couple of
    months, mostly by no seconds and lots and lots of water.
    
    October was 245
    
    this morning 236
    Goal - 195  (you know the weight I was when married 8 1/2 years ago)
    
    This is a great idea, Thanks
    
    Sparky

    Ok, here is my particulars...;
    
    As of 25 December 1993 I was: 300
    
    this morning was; 295
    
    Goal; 200 (but if I keep at the 2lb per week, it'll be 196)
    
    After many many years with a weight problem, this time has to be the
    last time for me... After all, as a senior in high school I was 265 and
    had to lose 52 pounds during the summer to enlist in the Army in the
    fall. Then, while in basic I dropped to 176 and was to light then.
    
    I pray for the Lord's guidance through this ordeal!
    
    I thank you all for your support!
    
    Bob
    

    
    	Sorry guys, I won't join you until AFTER the baby's
    	born!
    
    	Even then, I won't post my weight, just my delta!
    
    	One comment, though.  2 pounds per week is on the high side.
    	I'd recommend a goal of 1 to 1.5 pounds per week (2 pounds is
    	hard to do safely, and could cause discouragement).
    
    	Karen
    

    Hi,
    
    I've heard said that with men the 2 pounds per week is not that far
    off.  Men for some reason can lose weight more quickly then women
    without the health hazards.  Don't be too, too aggressive with it
    though.
    
    I don't want to lose any of guys, particularly my co-mod! :-)
    
    Nancy

    
    
    I go with Karen I won't post my weight but will post loss.
    
    Ann
    
    

Hey, if I can admit that I'm 285 for all the world to see..... :-)

2 lbs a week will be hard to maintain when we get closer to our goal weight. 
For now, it shouldn't be too difficult.

Paul

    
    Weight is something woman aren't good at letting the world know
    about. 
    
    Ann
    
    
    

    I was told by my doctor (a while back) that 2lbs per week was
    reasonable and attainable.... More than that would be a risk 
    to health.

    I know too that for the first week or so, there will be more weight
    loss realized due to the first thing to go is the excess fluid.. I'm
    drinking so much water that I'm either going to start quacking like a
    duck or move my work station into the men's room... 8^)... But this is
    all part of the process.

    I hope to be able to maintain on goal of 2lbs per week average.. I also
    hope that "average" does not include any gain in weight... I can handle
    plateaus of zero loss.....
    
    My next entry here will be next Monday!
    
    Bob
    

 How about excersize...anybody doing anything special?



 I recently bought one of those cross country ski gizmos that gives me
quite a workout...I'm just about to the point where I'm gonna double the
time I spend on it..starting tomorrow, I'm gonna do 2 whole minutes :-)

Seriously, I think excerisze is a big factor in losing it..




Jim

    Oh, by all means... I will be exercising.. 

    My exercise will consist of mostly walking, with one night a week at
    the local swimming pool.

    No jogging or fancy exercisers for me... Once I get to my goal, I will
    return to lifting weights, but I already have a set that I'd bought in
    high school... My son uses them now, but I'll wrestle him for them. 8^)

    I have considered trying the Richard Simons "deal-a-meal". This program
    seems like it would compliment the effort to change eating habits. AND,
    now you can get it in the stores... 

    Ok, so it ain't Monday yet..! 8^)

    Bob 

 The best diet I ever followed was the American Diabetes association diet.
 It consisted of each of the basic food groups, but in small quantities. That
 couple with excersize made the weekly weight loss a bit less, however, I found
 I was more prone to keeping the weight off.  In the diet group we had at my
 church I wound up being the biggest loser :-)




 Jim

    Yup, exercise is the key to loosing and keeping the weight off.  You
    don't have to knock yourself out, either.  I'd recommend getting a
    doctor's advice before starting anything new.  You don't want to burn
    out, just modify behavior a bit so that you will stick with it.
    
    Good luck one and all!
    
    -steve

    
    Exercise and eating food that is good for you is the key
    to being fit. I know I can lose alot faster if I exercise.
    
    Good Luck to all... Lets say a prayer everyday to help us
    through this. 
    
    Ann
    

    
    Well I wasn't going to enter a reply here but I'm encouraged to see
    that I am not alone when it comes to being  uh, er ,ah - fat ?
    
       I started a weight loss program that I hope will cause me to drop
    about 40 lbs. I currently weigh 210 at 5'9". I would like to get to
    180. I'm not going to be lifting weights only because I feel that I
    already have a big frame. My primary excercise is walking 2-3 miles a
    day everyday and a good diet.
    
    1-3-94	210
    
    
    					 Fonz

 I love to walk and will somehow find the time to squeeze it in..maybe
 during lunch instead of noting!





 Jim

    Walking instead of noting!! <gasp!>

    Not me, folks.  If I lose it, I lose it like I gained it.  Without
    thinking about it.  
    
    By the way, my wife declines to enter her weight for public
    accountability.  Hmmm....  Maybe, I'll enter her weight to keep her
    accountable.      
    
    
    
    NOT  !!!
    
    MM  :-)

    My wife and I are already doing this, though she doesn't need it and I
    do.  My lifetime maximum was 222 and am currently at 218 (6'1" frame) 
    with a goal of 185.  That's what I was in my pre-childbirth form, I 
    couldn't let my wife have cravings alone.
    
    I've talked to others offline in this conference that should be in here
    for the benefit of their health too.  { Hint! Hint! }

    
    	Just wanted to clarify from my note yesterday.
    
    	I wasn't saying that 2 pounds /week couldn't be done, just
    that a more *realistic* goal would be 1 to 1.5 pounds per week.
    
    	Setting a goal of 2 pounds/week *could* lead to discouragement.
    
    	Remember, I've got my credentials.  Y'all have to produce yours
    	if'n you wanna debate me ;-) ;-) ;-)
    
    

>    	Remember, I've got my credentials.  Y'all have to produce yours
>    	if'n you wanna debate me ;-) ;-) ;-)
    
    we produced them, now we're trying to lose them.

    Hi y'all,
         I guess I'll join you my doctors scale  256 lbs. on a 6'1" frame
          my scale at home says I'm 249 so I'll pick some where in-
         between and I need to get down to 200 lbs. and 2lbs.a week is 
          going to be hard right now because I can't exercise because I'm
         having major back and spine problems.I'm going in to an MRI done
          tonight and won't know any results for about 2 weeks.But my 
         wife is helping me by cutting back on my portions and so am I
          plus I'm trying not to snack between meals,and that is very hard
         to do when a sweets fanatic and a chocoholic so I'll need all 
          the support I can get.Mark I don't know your wife but if I were
         to post wife's weight without her permission,that would be like
          signing my own death wish.(This is just a word for thought).:-)
         Well thats all for now I'll my next note monday morning with my
          official weight. Bye! Bye!.
                                              In His Love,
                                                Steven A.

	A healthy christian is a happy christian.

	I've been shaping up for about 6 months now. I started at 206. Nothing
	fit right, shirts to tight, pants pushed down below the belly button,
	jackets unbuttonable (so I switched to double breasted),. Even my
	Hagger Flexomatic Waist pants stopped flexing for me! Tired without much
	exertion. I was afraid to go to the beach for fear that a Russian
	whaling ship might spot me basking in the sun! I'd been wanting to start
	changing my condition for quite a while but never could get my "program"
	together. You know it's hard to pray when you feel so bad about	 	
	yourself.

	I now weigh in at 178. Stronger, Clothes are a bit baggy (I love that
	feeling!), I feel great. And you know, I didn't try to change my diet 	
	at all. In fact, I still eat nearly all the same things I did when I 
	was 206. The difference is exercise. When you exercise aerobically
	you change your body's metabolism into a "better butter burning body"
	as Covert Bailey would say. I recommend that anyone seriously interested
	in losing weight and *keeping* it off begin with reading Covert
	Bailey's "Fit or Fat". Entertaining, informative, and I must tell you
	it works. 

	My equipment is: 	1 jump rope		cost = $6
		(optional)	1 set 15lb. dumbells	cost = $15

	I jump for 20 minutes, 5 days a week. (12 minutes is all that's really
	required to gain the metabolic benefits). Walking, Jogging, Biking,
	Cross-country skiing are all exercises that work. Weight Lifting is
	Anaerobic (without air) and will not help you to lose weight (only
	benefit is that it helps you gain endurance and retain or gain weight).

	Without changing your bodys' metabolism you will not be able to keep the
	weight off even if you lose it.

	Buy Covert Bailey's book and follow the man's advice. 

Regards,
Ace

	Yup, 'tis a very good book, Ace!
	
	Markem and Steve - you mean to tell me you actually *know* how
	much your wives weigh ??

	Amazing!!

	;-)

     Lets just put it this way"I have a close facimile there OF"
        I could probably say more off line but I won't.
        
       Bye

    I know how much my wife weighs.
    
    Mike (who's down 4 lbs since my last entry here)

    It's great to see the enthusiasm shown in this note and the number of
    men involved.  I think some of us women have shared our weight problems
    in another notes file.  I think coming from a Christian perspective
    will be more helpful in trying to overcome the battle of the bulge.
    
    I, too, will really try to get myself going on a weight loss program
    (which I badly need); however, I will post my losses, not my weight.
    
    It is important that we drink water.  This will help in the weight loss
    and flush out the toxins in our body.  Also, they are saying now that
    walking is one of the best forms of exercise.  I tend to be lazy in
    that area, so really have to discipline myself.
    
    I have a hard time getting started.  Also, I am a sweet eater and a
    chocoholic!  It's ironic, because I eat chocolate that I don't even
    like because I am so addicted to it.  
    
    Good luck to all, and through the help of God and each other, we can
    have a better and healthier year by feeding our body what is better
    for it and lose weight at the same time.  Cutting down on the fats
    is a sure bet to lose weight also.
    
    I think that all of the women who have responded in this note are
    experts in the area of dieting.  We know a lot about it even if we 
    haven't been successful in losing the weight.  Through all of our
    research, I'm sure that we can attempt to answer any questions you
    might have, and I'm sure that you must have information that might
    be helpful to us.
    
    Good luck to all, and don't hesitate to write in lots of words of
    encouragement because I know that I, for one, really need it.
    
    Take care, and God bless!
    
    Barbara
    

.25 CNTROL::JENNISON "Unto us, a Child is given"

>	Markem and Steve - you mean to tell me you actually *know* how
>	much your wives weigh ??

Are you kidding?  

If my wife wanted to tell me what her weight was, I think I would
respond like Pontious Pilate: "And what is truth?"  ;-)

MM

    Well it may be diet and exercise time for me too. My wife and I weighed
    ourselves this morning.  ...Well, in my defense, I have been married
    two years now,...I am entitled to put on a *little* weight, but 12
    POUNDS!  Nope they have to come off by skydive season! That's all there
    is to it.
       So away with sweets! Away with snacks and in between meals!
       I must live like a Spartan! My goal 176 by the end of March!
    
        naw, forget it,  my parachute can handle a little extra load. ;^)
        maybe 5 pounds or so...;^)
    
       PDM_who_was_recently_told_by_his_wife,"Gee, Phil, is that a pot
       belly you're growing there?"  Shhheessshhh help mates!

I still like the term "love handles" but there comes a point when those
handles aren't much to hold onto.  Maybe it might be called a "love 
barrel."  And you just mind your own business whether I have handles
or a barrel!  (still handles, still handles, still handles).

Where's my Coke?

    Well, it is Monday, isn't it...
    
    Moment of truth.. 1 week down and 51 weeks to go.
    
    This morning's weighin is;	290
    
    See ya next week.
    
    Bob
    

	Well done, Bob!

	Might I suggest that you post your weekly change along with
	your current weight ?  That way, we'll know whether to praise
	you or pray for you ;-)  :-)

    Good suggestion...
    
    Last weeks; 295
    
         Today; 290	8^)
    
    See ya next week!
    
    Bob
    

My starting weight is indeed 285.  I'm going to extend my goal to 199, partly
just to see a "1" at the beginning of the weight, and partly to give myself
room to stabilize.  That's a total expected loss of 86 lbs.  At 2 lbs a week,
that's 43 weeks, which puts me at a completion date of November 7.  Assuming
I make that, I will DEFINITELY continue weighing in at least through the
holidays, to ensure that I don't put it right back with holiday eating.

Paul

    
    Sorry to interrupt but one of my brothers lost 16 pounds in his first
    week of dieting!  I can't believe it.  Anyway, he's huge and needs to
    lose about 80 pounds.  The reason he decided he must lose weight is
    funny.
    
    He was celebrating on New Year's eve with some friends.  He got
    "tickled" and laughed so vigorously that he could not catch his breath. 
    He passed out for a few minutes.  Needless to say, he was frightened by
    this and has gone on a diet.
    
    Hang in there folks.  Be filled with the Holy Spirit, this is really
    your only hope.  Remember, Jesus said, apart from me you can do
    nothing.  I think that includes dieting or any other attempt to break
    bad habits.
    
    jeff

Almost tempts me to put on weight so I can join in... ;-)

- but then I'd have to weigh in lbs, instead of st...  In fact, I'd have to 
weigh, which I hardly ever do...

								&

    
    
    Howdy,
    
      Alfonso aka. "Fonz" here.
    
    1-03-94	210
    1-10-94	208
    
    	Very encouraged at the first weeks results, praying that we all do
    this for the glory of God .........
    
    				Fonz
    

    I created a file I will add a line to each week, so I/we can see the
    prograss so far.
    
goal weight 195

03-Jan-94    236
10-Jan-94    230 -probably not accurage, I've been sick since Thursday

    I'm trying to talk Dan Yackel into joining the club.  Can you help?!!
    I'm really concerned about his weight and think a bit of public
    accountability should help - especially from people who may have known
    him when he was uh, er, slimmer.  Georgia hasn't done much for his
    physique, I'm afraid.
    
    Please help!
    
    jeff

    
    Sorry.  His address is DECLNE::YACKEL
    
    jeff

    There's more out there that could join, but I'm afraid I'm sworn to
    secrecy and must continue to badger them in private ;-)

    This may seem childish BUT, as long as I was being badgered by the
    doctor, my wife and children I would not lose the weight. What made me
    finally decide (this time) to start losing the weight was a polaroid
    picture.... My son had gotten a polaroid camera for Christmas and was
    taking pictures of everyone... Well, I'm here to tell you that polaroid
    cameras come with enlarging machines built in... 'cause I saw myself in
    a way I hadn't before... Not even looking in a mirror did I see myself
    as big as that picture did.
    
    So.... badger with care! because it may back-fire as it did for me.
    
    With God's love!
    
    Bob
    

It must be all that southern *fried* chitlins and stuff, eh, Jeff?

But seriously, if you do have a concern for Dan's metabolic and caloric
factors, private discourse might be a better medium.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
The truth in love....

Not long ago, I had to tell my father something he probebly did not want
to hear.  It was in the presence of my mother and my wife, and my 5 year
old who was busily eating his cereal (not paying attention).  My mother
later thanked me for speaking the truth in love.  Her phrase stuck in my
mind.  I had a review I needed to complete regarding my Pastor, as a member
of the church board.  The truth in love.

When I was a teenager, we went through a stage where you told the truth
no matter what.  A friend of ours took this to an extreme to the point of 
telling you if he thought your hair was ugly.  One begins to wonder what
the value of truth is without love and compassion.  One the other hand,
can love be real without the truth?  I said yesterday and repeat today 
that we need to be in the business of bruised reeds and dying embers,
ensuring that we are indeed encouraging.  Blowing lightly on an ember
will do more tha blowing fiercly.

I suspect that a little fun was had, and I get a poke from time to time
and shrug it off as an attempt to be jocular and familiar.  When I believe
this intent from someone, it makes the poke a whole lot easier to take.
Why?  Because I know they love me, which makes the truth easier to handle.
And I know what handles are.  ;-)

Mark

    
    Truthfully, it is a joke.  Can you play along?
    
    jeff

 I haven't weighed in for the week yet 

Several years ago, I used to tell "fat, ugly" wife jokes.  My wife is
neither fat nor ugly, by any stretch.  And I was just joking around
thinking that everyone knew I *had* to be joking.  (I thought some
of the jokes were hilarious!)

I was told in private that people didn't find them funny.  I went back
to my wife who told me she knew I was kidding, and because of that she
never said anything about it, but nonetheless really didn't care to be
the object of my jokes, even if they didn't really apply.  It wasn't easy
at first, but I eliminated the fat, ugly wife jokes from my repetiore.
(Upon the occasion of telling this story, I may conjure up one or two of
my favorites, but I won't here and now.)

Pursuant to this story, I'd also kid about the wife being less than affectionate,
which is another popular line of jokes.  She took this a little closer to 
heart, even though I didn't mean it.  She once told me that I may be creating
self-fulfilling prophecies (meaning: marital relations might be reduced
in frequency).  Light dawned on Marblehead.  Immediately, I entered a
campaign of encouragement.  "She can't get enough of me!"  One might think
that it would be easy to recognise that "she can't get enough" works a 
whole lot better than referencing jokes about apathetic libido.

The point:  jokes don't always work as intended.  And this is from someone
who has had a vast repitoire (and probably still does) and knows from
experience.  

With love,

Mark

    Dang - who started this blasted note anyway?  ;-)
    
    In April '92, when I was diagnosed with diabetes, I weighed in at a
    whopping 325 lbs (on a 6'2" frame with whopping bones to match).
    
    Around the summer of '93 I hit 290 and leveled off there through last
    December.  Then my Health-o-meter (Dr.'s room) scale stopped
    registering properly.  One morning I got on it and it registered 230
    (about 10 or so pounds away from my goal weight)!  I knew I wasn't
    doing that well!
    
    So - now I don't know how much I weigh, but I suspect I haven't moved
    off of 290.  I've still got about 70 to go and I'm just trusting Him to
    do it through me!
    
    Steve

I hop on my talking scale.  It groans, "one at a time please!"

;-)

    Sorry, Mark, you triggered this...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    You know you need this note when you're lying on the beach and
    Greenpeace picks you up to carry you into the water...

 I'm down 2 lbs since last week.






Jim

> I'm down 2 lbs since last week.

In Britain, such a shortage of funds might be considered fortunate.
1 stone = 14 pounds, methinks.  Let's see...

 Well, if you want to talk being down on funds, that's a whole 'nother
story..;-)

	I'm up .75 pounds from last week...

	Oh yeah, I said I wasn't gonna play 'til March ;-)

    Okay, Okay, I'll play. :-)  All that badgering bulldogged me into it.
    
    I need to lose mft pounds and after this last homemade choc chip
    cookie, will begin an intense effort to do so.
    
    Errrrrgh!
    
    I need more then encouragement, I need a shove.
    
    :-)
    Nancy

    
    
    
    
    
    reply  to Nancy......
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
        ssss    hh    hh   ooooooo  v       v  eeeeeee
        s       hh    hh   o     o   v     v   e
        ssss    hhhhhhhh   o     o    v   v    eeeeee
           s    hh    hh   o     o     v v     e
        ssss    hh    hh   ooooooo      v      eeeeeee
                                                     

    Well it's about time, Nancy.  

    .59  Thanks!! Keep it up.
    
    .60 = No, NO, no, its my hips that are big, not my feet. :-)
    
    Karen... mft stands for ?lbs :-)

Mark M. - I appreciated your notes in here, especially the ones about
jokes back firing.  Too often people can be unaware of the private
hurts they cause another with what they think is just fun, good natured
bantering, and joking around.  Often I think this happens betweeen men
and women - men not realizing how personally women may take something 
that the men see as a joke.  For example, I might have been hurt by the 
"It's about time" comment had it been directed towards me.  Because of 
the big emphasis our society places on women's appearances I think it is 
much more difficult for women to deal with the issue of weight control.
                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've started a get healthier campaign too.  I joined the YMCA the day
before yesterday and plan to do lap swimming each morning before work.  
Yesterday I bought a new suit because sand and chorine had deteriorated 
the suit I've used the last few summers.  This morning I went to the Y 
and discovered that they don't have locker locks like the one I used to 
go to when I lived in Andover, so I ended up not swimming, but I'm buying a 
lock today and will maybe go swimming over the weekend just to get started.  
My other goal is to take the dogs for more frequent walks, but that's harder
with the weather the way it is right now.

After one or two months, I'll start adding in other things - like using the 
rowing machine, stair climber, and stationary bike.  And a couple of months 
later I'll add in some weight training.  My goal is to change my life style 
gradually, but permanently.  

I'm working on eating right too, though I haven't actually started weighing 
in yet, and probably need to cut back a bit more still - but I am working on 
eating less fat, less sugar, less meat, more fruits & veggies, more complex 
carbohydrates.  I need a new scale too, mine isn't very accurate (where it 
is sitting on the floor, how you stand on it, and other things cause it to 
fluctuate a bit), and it tends to show about 8-10 lbs less than a dotor's 
scale.  When I do get a new scale, I may just weigh in once a month because
my goal is better health, and I want to continue with it no matter what kind
of weight loss results from the changes.  Though of couse, I do hope that 
I loose pounds - lots of 'em :-).

Leslie

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		282
Weekly loss:		  3
Total loss:		  3
Loss relative to goal:	 +1
Left to lose:		 83

    Well, I guess I have got to try MUCH harder to not use food to defuse
    my stress...
    
    Starting weight:	295
    
    	   1/10/94.:	290
    
    	   1/17/94.:	295
    
    I'll still be trying to get this going. 
    
    Bob
    

	Well, Bob, I understand if you had to eat a lot of
	French Fries this weekend...

	1/2 :-)

	(BTW, I happened to see a TV show on Friday night, quite by
	accident, where a boy shot one of those potato guns at a car)

    


    Starting weight:	219
    
    	   1/10/94.:	218
    
    	   1/17/94.:	219
    
 
    
   We had a breakfast at the church Saturday for our Sunday School class..
   30 had said they were coming, and only 12 showed up.  Lots of food and
   fellowship and food ;-/




 Jim

With the number of people joining in here (I think it's great!) the
accountability factor has dwindled a bit.  A full dozen people have indicated
that they'd like to participate in some fashion.  What that means, though, is
that any one of us could quietly not post our weight or even drop out and no
one would notice, at least not for a while.  What I'd like to do, if there
are no objections, is post a compilation every Tuesday or so of where
everyone is relative to their goals.

The following people have indicated they are taking part:

Name			Start	Goal	Loss	Weekly
					Goal	Goal

Paul Weiss		285	199	86	2
Jim Henderson		219	185	34	2
Sparky (Is it Bob?)	236	195	41
Bob Grover		295	196	99	2
Ann Arno
'Fonz Morales*		210	180	30
Mike Heiser		220	185	35
Steve Alton		250?	200	50
Barbara Smith
Phil Morano		188	176	12	1?
Steve McConnel
Nancy Morales

For the people who indicated a desire to participate, but have not indicated
any goals:  feel free to use this note in whatever way is of benefit to you,
but we can't hold you accountable if you don't let us know what to hold you
accountable FOR.  Forget absolute values, we don't need them.  But if you
indicate how much you want to lose and how much per week, or even just how
much per week, it gives something to measure yourself against.  The same for
people who have indicated a total goal but not a weekly Goal.  A weekly goal
is measurable incrementally.

I was thinking of posting something like this, using a measurement of how
many weeks ahead/behind their weekly goal people were.  For example, for the
5 people who started 2 weeks ago and posted their first losses last week, it
would look like this (assuming 2 lbs a week for everyone).  Zero is good, it
means you're right on schedule:

		Weeks ahead/behind
	January
	10

Jim	 0
Sparky	+2
Bob	+1�
Fonz	 0
Mike	+1

I will post this only for people who post a weekly goal.

Paul

* Is your last name Amorales, or is the A from Alphonzo?

Starting weight:	220
Today's weight:		214
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		  6
Left to lose:		 29

    
    Fonz here (aka. Alfonso Morales),
    
       didn't make it on scale this morning, but I feel great ! I'll post
    my weight for today tomorrow......hope this doesn't mess up the
    postings !
    
    				Fonz
    

      Well I said I'd weigh in today so here it is :
    
    1-03-94	210
    1-10-94	208
    1-17-94	198
    
    
    				Fonz
    

	Fonz,  
	10 pounds in one week ?  Yikes !  What'd you do, give birth ???

    Maybe he got a haircut. :-)

		Weeks ahead/behind
	January
	10  17

Jim	 0  -2
Sparky	+2  ?
Bob	+1� -2
Fonz	 0  +4
Mike	+1  +1
Paul        +�

    
    
      reply .71
    
       The baby was baby fat !!! :^)
    
      reply .72
    
    	You'd be amazed as too how much hair weighs ;^)
    
    Really though, the credit goes to my lovely wife, Anita, who has been
    keeping my focus on what I eat, ie. grams of fat, calories etc.. Plus
    the fact that I've been walking every day (~ 3.5 miles). What has
    helped of course is the spiritual awareness one can apply while
    disciplining one's body. Alot of the weight has been water though !!
    That's what the honey said :^) .
    
    
    				Fonz
    
    
    
    

>    	You'd be amazed as too how much hair weighs ;^)
    
    200 shekles per year's growth, according to 2 Sam. 4:26 :-)

      
    
    >  200 shekles per year's growth, according to 2 Sam. 4:26 :-)
    
       Man I gotta start saving my hair ;^) ! I wonder if nose hairs and
    facial hairs add up pretty quick ?........
    		
    
    					Fonz
    

re.76

>       Man I gotta start saving my hair ;^) ! I wonder if nose hairs and
>    facial hairs add up pretty quick ?........


	They do, but it's nothing that a Ronco Pocket Nose And Unwanted Hair
Clipper can't take of in a jiffy.

	8*)   

>	They do, but it's nothing that a Ronco Pocket Nose And Unwanted Hair
>Clipper can't take of in a jiffy.

...as opposed to the Ronco wanted nose hair planter, eh?

>                                  -< Week 2 >-
>
>		Weeks ahead/behind
>	January
>	10  17
>
>Jim	 0  -2
>Sparky	+2  ?
>Bob	+1� -2
>Fonz	 0  +4
>Mike	+1  +1
>Paul        +�

    Paul, I must be having a blonde moment because I'm not getting this. 
    How does this scoring work?

Well, I figured that any absolute number of pounds lost wouldn't match up, if
different people had different goals.  If I had a goal of 2 pounds a week,
and someone else had a goal of 1 pound a week, and after 10 weeks I had lost
12 pounds and the other person had lost 12, then even though we've lost the
same amount of weight they are doing really well and I am doing really poorly.

I also figured that people might join in at different times (Like Karen after
her baby is born), so any measurements of how-much-loss-since-you-started
would also be hard to compare, and hard to see how anyone is doing relative
to their goals.

It seemed that the best measure would be how much you had lost relative to
what your goal was for that week.  So it's a measure of how many weeks you
are ahead or behind schedule.

So for you, for example, after 1 week you had lost 4 pounds.  Using a goal of
2 pounds a week (which I guess you never said explicitly, but which I
assumed) you had lost 2 pounds more than your goal, or in other words you
were one week ahead, thus +1.  This week you had lost a total of 6 pounds,
and your goal for this week was a total of 4 pounds, so you were still 2
pounds ahead so still +1.

It's complex to explain, but easy to see how someone is doing even without
fully understanding how the numbers are arrived at.  Zero means that you are
doing great - you are right on schedule with the goal you set for yourself. 
Positive numbers mean that you're doing exceptionally well - you're ahead of
your goals.  Negative numbers mean that you've fallen behind your goals.  You
can also see how someone is doing on a weekly basis by how they compare with
the week before.  If one of us were to fall to, say, -5, and then stay at -5
for a couple of months, it would mean that we had a lapse, but then got back
on track and were doing really well for those months, losing at our goal rate.

Please let me know, anyone, if you don't want me to include you on this.  But
I did it because with as many people as we have, we can lose track.  For
example, until I compiled this, I hadn't noticed that Sparky didn't post this
week.  Sparky?  :-)

Paul

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		279
Weekly loss:		  3
Total loss:		  6
Loss relative to goal:	 +2
Left to lose:		 80

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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    Well here it is;
    
    Starting weight:	295
    	    1/10/94:	290
    	    1/17/94	295
    	    1/24/94	292
    
        Goal weight:	200
    

    Good idea about the consolidation, would a specific format help you to
    say maybe do an extract, and upload to Excel, then massage, download
    and post?
    
    I've been away on business, was really concerned about just sitting and
    eating all the time.  I tried to be good though.  The results are
    
    
goal weight 195

03-Jan-94    236
10-Jan-93    230 - Probably some due to being sick with the Flu
17-Jan-93    229 - still some due to sickness
24-Jan-93    230 - Don't feel to bad, since I was eating resturaunt food all
                   week, sitting most of the time, and am also healthy now.  
                   BTW I'm using a previously unused hole in my belt.
    
    
    Glenn (Sparky) Sparks

Starting weight:	220
Today's weight:		214
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		  6
Loss relative to goal:	 +3
Left to lose:		 29

    Hey Y'all,
       Sorry I haven't answered for the past two weeks I've been real
        busy.
 Starting weight= 256lbs.
 first week = 261lbs.
 second week = 258lbs.
 todays weight =254lbs.
 desired weight =195lbs.
 acceptable weight =200lbs.
    
    Bye folks,
    Steve A.
    

    Weigh in time :
    
    
    	1-03-94     210
        1-10-94     208
        1-17-94     198
    	1-24-94	    197
    
    				Fonz
    

 I have not been very faithful in this endeavor.  Between work and non work
 activities I have not devoted (nor much time to do so) a lot of effort.  I
 recently acquired a freezer for my apt which hopefully will enable me to
 prepare meals ahead of time so I can get home and zap them in the microwave
 and avoid the tendancy to eat junk food on the run.



 Jim

    
    	Jim,
    
    Hey bro just admitting to not being faithful in this endeavor is being
    faithful in it ! Hang in there ! Don't get discouraged, little changes
    become big changes in time !
    
    					Fonz
    

I swam 1/2 mile this morning - 18 laps of the pool - without stopping between
sets ! (I do sets of 5 in order to be able to keep count: 1 lap of the crawl,
2 laps of the breast stroke, 1 lap of the side stroke, 1 lap of the breast
stroke makes 1 set, this morning I followed my three sets of 5 with 3 additional
laps).  Saturday, when I had a little more time I swam 20 laps.  Last week I
was doing 15 laps and taking a little longer than the 18 this morning. I feel
so much better with the increased exercise !  I've lost 3 lbs.

Leslie

    My wife and I started an aerobic program last night.  I felt like
    change of eating patterns wasn't enough so she encouraged it.  I've
    lost lots of pounds in the past, but even when reaching a goal, you
    still have that flabby midsection and untoned muscles.  
    
    We bought a workout video by Gilad (from ESPN's "Bodies in Motion") and
    started working out along with it last night.  It's 70 minutes long,
    but a very good workout.  I'm determined to whip this now.

 I need to find the right excerize (maybe a workout tape?)  I recently 
 bought a cross country ski gizmo (for not a lot of money) and it may be
 lack of discipline on my part, but I can't get into using the thing.  I've
 thought of buying a treadmill but don't really have a place to put it, and
 I'm afraid I'll wind up feeling about it like I feel about the cross country
 ski gizmo.  I *love* to walk, but its difficult finding time to do so..


 Sheesh ;-)

Mike, I had been assuming that you were trying to lose 2 lb a week, but from
.84 I am now assuming that you are trying to lose 1 lb a week.

Steve, from .85 I am assuming that you are trying to lose 2 lb a week.  I
also skipped your first weigh-in, and took 261 as your starting weight.  No
sense STARTING with a 5 lb gain.

		Weeks ahead/behind

        January
        10  17  24

Jim      0  -2  Praying :-)
Sparky  +2 +1�   0
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�
Fonz     0  +4 +3�
Mike    +2  +2  +3
Paul        +�  +1
Steve       +� +1�

I've seen (less of) Paul Weiss in the hall!

RE: Execise tapes.  My wife has or has borrowed a few.  One was Richard
Simmon's Sweatin' to the Oldies, which shows people like you and me
doing the huffing and puffing, and the other has these chiseled Barbies
and a smiling Dudley in their tights, always grinning from ear to ear
having come off the break to tape the next section.  My son, when
he was 3ish pointed out the one he liked best (Barbie might blush).

I kind of like the tiger and treadmill exercise regimen, myself.
Get on the treadmill and put a hungry tiger behind you.  You'll
run.  That's motivation.

Mark

>Mike, I had been assuming that you were trying to lose 2 lb a week, but from
>.84 I am now assuming that you are trying to lose 1 lb a week.
    
    how many weeks have we been at it anyway?  I cut'n'pasted and may have
    missed updating it.

    Tai Chi is about the best exercise I have found, especially for those
    over 40. Most people will eventually give up every other form of
    exercise, but most stay with Tai Chi for the rest of their lives.
    If you can find an instructor, I recommend it highly !

    Jim

    I like racquetball for exercise.
    
    I'm playing in a league and I want to get better, so I'm working out
    also (weights and such).
    Racquetball (the way I play it) is a lot of exercise, as I end up
    chasing the ball all over the place - kinda like wind sprints...
    It also keeps you flexible, cuz you get stretched out when you crash
    into the walls.... :-)
    but then, the way I play isn't the prettiest way...
    
    :-)
    Keep up the good work y'all!

>    how many weeks have we been at it anyway?  

Some folks, I think you included, have been weighing in their losses for
three weeks.  So when you said you'd lost 6, and that was 3 ahead of your
goal, I assumed that your goal was one a week.

Paul

    Actually mine was 2 per week.  sorry for the mistake.  

Well, I lost 3 lbs!  Only 31 to go.





Jim

 Lo fat Snarf!

        Well here it is;
    
        Starting weight:    295
                1/10/94:    290
                1/17/94     295
                1/24/94     292
    		1/31/94	    289
    
    Urgh, this is the slowest start I've ever had... Usually, the first
    week or so is a good hit of about 10lbs... Of course all of that is
    usually fluids... I guess with this cold snap, I won't be losing much
    fluid for awhile....
    
    I guess as long as I can keep on track and not gain back, I'll get
    there. 
    
    

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		277
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		  8
Loss relative to goal:	 +2
Left to lose:		 78

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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      *
        *

Starting weight:	220
Today's weight:		210
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		 10
Loss relative to goal:	 +1 (1 week ahead?)
Left to lose:		 25

    Weigh in time :
    
     1-03-94     210
     1-10-94     208
     1-17-94     198
     1-24-94     197
     1-31-94	 193

 Amen!

 One of the things I've noticed is as I eat less, including less junk
 food, I've got more energy than I've had in a long time.  I usually 
 have 1, maybe 2 nights a week where I don't have to be somewhere or
 do something and last night was one.  Rather than plunk myself down
 on the couch I had a light meal (chicken fajitas) and cleaned my apartment
 and got rid of a bunch of junk thats been hanging around.  Saturday, while
 taking care of my ill son, Scott, I dove in and cleaned a closet that has
 been a disaster area for ~3 years!




 Jim

        Weeks ahead/behind

        January
        10  17  24  31

Paul        +�  +1  +1
Jim      0  -2   - -2�
Sparky  +2 +1�   0   ?
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�  -1
Fonz     0  +4 +3� +4�
Mike    +�   0  +0  +1
Steve       +� +1�   ?

    Jim, eating right does that, but so does exercising.  I'm not so tired
    when I awake in the morning (some used to speculatee that never
    happened), and am more able to keep up with my kids now.  You just feel
    better all the way around.

	Ah Mike, you beat me to it!

	I can feel the difference in my energy level if I stop exercising
	for even a week.  Also, when you're exercising regularly, you
	are more conscious of your overall health, and tend to pay more
	attention to what you eat.  It's a nice "cycle" to get into!

	Karen

 I do really need to start excersizing...just a matter of finding/allocating
 the time.




Jim

    Jim, *MAKE* time and that's an order!

 Yessir! ;-)

    Making time is easier said than done...!
    
    It's always something that will detract from my plan to walk or what
    ever else....
    
    Bob
    

    
     Bob and all others :^)
    
    
    I've found that giving up sleep and walking in the morning prior to
    work is working out for me, not outside but on a treadmill at the local
    GYM. Try it out !
    
    				Fonz

    Fonz,
    
    That all sounds great... BUT, I already get up at 5:am to be to work by
    6:am.... Also, Gyms cost $$$. I'd just as soon walk "ala natural" and
    do try as often as I can... I would much rather feed my family or give
    a little extra to the church than give the money to a Gym.
    
    Finding time for myself is suppose to be one of my New Years
    resolutions, I just have to keep working at it...
    
    It *is* a good suggestion however!
    
    Bob
    

    >    6:am.... Also, Gyms cost $$$. I'd just as soon walk "ala natural" and
    
    hey there's laws for that stuff.  You better stay in your house and do
    that.

    
    <--- 
    
    
       Cool :^)

    re.: FRETZ::HEISER
    
    Ya, you're right. That would scare the spots off a leopard. Besides, at
    between -1f and 10f, I would get a little bit of a chill.. 8^)
    
    I guess what I should have said was.... I would rather walk around the
    neighborhood that on a rubberband, in a Gym....
    
    I would use the equipment here at work, but the red tape to get a "red
    card" before you can use it is incredible. 
    
    I'll figure something out.!
    
    Bob
    

 Little things like parking your car as far from the plant (but still in the
 parking lot!) as possible helps..then take a brisk walk into the plant and
 back out at departure time. Instead of calling somebody here at work to
 argue business stuff, I get up and walk to their desks (and find them not
 there which prompts another walk later!).




Jim

Starting weight: 224
Goal           : 170

I gain all that weight when I was married 5 years ago.  I just joined 
Baily health club so I could get the weight off for good this time.
I will weight in next week, shooting for 2lb. a week. 

Tran,

    
    
    Welcome to the weight loss file ( Galoot's Inc. ) , Tran !!
    
    reply to the rubberband treadmill remark :
    
       I enjoy it and have seen results from it :^)
    
    
    				Fonz
    
    P.S. I really don't know the meaning to "Galoot", but I picture big
    people, the guys here at work call me and several others this on the
    basketball court at lunch .

�    P.S. I really don't know the meaning to "Galoot", but I picture big

Noun, not a verb.  You *are* a galoot, you don't 'do' it.  And I don't know
the derivation, but its fairly elderly English usage is (in the friendliest
of senses), an idiot.  Generally a schoolkids term from the 1930s.  At 
least, that's the only books I recall seeing it in.

							Andrew

	Bob,
	
	Recent studies show that 3 10 minute workouts per day are
	as effective as one 30 minute workout for both increasing
	cardiovascular fitness and for weightloss.  If it's easier for
	you to do a 10 minute walk in the morning, another at lunch,
	another at the end of the day, you'd still get the benefits.

	I'd recommend starting with 3 days per week.

	Karen

    Karen,
    
    Thanks for the tip... I can squeeze 3x10 chucks of the day out.
    
    Also, most often, I try to park as far away from the building as I can.
    Sometimes, in the early morning, I'm not so inclined to do it, but when
    it isn't cold, I do park *far* from the building...
    
    Just yesterday my daughter said to me... "you need to find time for
    yourself... BUT before you do that, can you pick me up from the mall
    and take me to baby-sit"....
    
    I guess what I have to do is to stop feeling guilty/selfish about
    taking time for *me*... 
    
    Bob
    

    Little John of Sherwood was a "galoot."

    
    
    I knew I was in good company :^)
    
    
    			Fonz

	I'll give it a shot... :-)



	1-24   215
	2- 3   202.5


	December 26th, 1989 I was at 188. I started working out, doing
cardiovascular stuff (racquetball, basketball, jogging) and by March 1st
1990 I was down to 159. Boy did that feel good, but it was too much. So
for most of 1990 I was in the 165-170 range. In 91 I was in the 170-175
range, in 92 when I met the person I was dating I went from 175 to my 
present, or former weight of 215. I don't like being there and VOW to 
get the excess (including skin :-) off by the end of May! That way I'll 
be doing it safely. Hey, I may take it off earlier, but I don't think 
it's gonna be as easy to get the last of it off like it was before. :-)


Glen

    
    
       Glen ,
    
    Welcome to the weight loss note !! Accountability(sp?) is always a
    positive in achieving a goal, and your right about giving it a shot,
    just don't get discouraged ! 
    
       Praying for all the Galoots to make thier goals !
    
    
    				Fonz
    
      P.S. "Galoots" as I've defined it to mean :^)

Welcome to both Tran and Glen.  Do you want to be included in my weekly
summary?

Paul

	Sure.... add me to it. 


Glen

Yes, add me in.

Lost 2 more lbs...29 to go ;-)

    Oops, new I forgot to do something this morning.. Will check in
    tomorrow morning. Hey what's a day...
    
    Bob
    

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		277
Weekly loss:		  0
Total loss:		  8
Loss relative to goal:	  -
Left to lose:		 78

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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      *
        *
        *

This is a week where this note has been very useful to me.  Last week was a
week in which I was glad to remain at the same weight - an all-you-can-eat
buffet on Thursday (deadly!), and an extended family big dinner on Saturday. 
It took pretty minimal eating yesterday just to wind up even for today.

But this is the sort of thing that, if I'm in it on my own, can become
discouraging.  But with the help of the accountability of this file, I'm
ready to tackle another week of losing...

Thanks

    Weigh in time :
    
         1-03-94     210
         1-10-94     208
         1-17-94     198
         1-24-94     197
         1-31-94     193
    	 2-07-94     192

Starting weight:	220
Today's weight:		208
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		 12
Loss relative to goal:	 +1 (1 week ahead?)
Left to lose:		 23

goal weight 195

03-Jan-94    236
10-Jan-94    230 - Probably some due to being sick with the Flu
17-Jan-94    229 - still some due to sickness
24-Jan-94    230 - Don't feel to bad, since I was eating restaurant food all
                   week, sitting most of the time, and am also healthy now.  
                   BTW I'm using a previously unused hole in my belt.
31-Jan-94    229
07-Jan-94    228 - Probably time to start exercising now
    

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
    
    I gotta do more walking... I gotta do more walking.... I gotta do more
    walking.... I'll keep saying this until I get it right. The eating part
    is getting better... NOT where it should be, but getting better. But, I
    still have to get out more often, to walk. 
    
    I walked at lunch yesterday. Had to go to DCU, so I walked. Not a bad
    little hike... That's what I'll do, have the Scouts plan more hikes.
    I'll have to walk then...
    

	Bob,
	
	A one pound loss is a one pound loss, and is hardly
	ho-hum.

	This was the type of thing I was cautioning against when
	most people were setting a 2 pound/week goal - setting yourself
	up to feel as though you are not making good progress, when
	in fact, you are.

	You've lost 7 pounds in 4 weeks!  Pat yourself on the back
	and keep up the good work!!!!

	Karen

        Weeks ahead/behind

           January         February
        10  17  24  31   7

Paul        +�  +1  +1   0
Jim      0  -2  -3 -2� -2�
Sparky  +2 +1�   0  -�  -1
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�  -1 -1�
Fonz     0  +4 +3� +4�  +4
Mike    +�   0  +0  +1  +1
Steve       +� +1�   ?   ?
Tran
Glen

Trends:

Paul    Holding well, but slip last week
Jim     Slip week 2 and 3, then holding well
Sparky  Good start, losing ground since then
Bob     Slip week 2, then holding well
Fonz    Jumped way ahead and has stayed there
Mike    Holding well
Steve   Good start, then ????

Starting weight:	224
Today's weight:		222
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		  2
Loss relative to goal:	  0
Left to lose:		 52

I came across this in my travels.  I'm going to take it home tonight!

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Note 35.10                           Support                            10 of 63
TOKNOW::METCALFE "Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers"       35 lines   3-JAN-1992 10:23
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I know nothing of slim fast (or perhaps even dieting), but I don't know
that Slim Fast (.8) is how you want to change your eating habits (.1).

Behavior modification (I wish I took the course in college, but I was too
settled to identify a behavior for modification - that was part of the
course) is the way to go, but how?

Incentives?  What's an incentive to you?

  I told my wife (for her beneifit; NOT MINE!) that she would pick a date
  (April 15).  On that date, we'll weigh her.  I agreed that she would get
  $50 to be used expressly for new clothes for the first 15 pounds lost,
  and $10 PER POUND thereafter!  (At most, if she shrinks 25 pounds, I
  out $150.)

  Personally, I don't care, but she wants to lose weight and needs a carrot
  to follow since I do not feel the same compulsion to diet or worse,
  exercise, which she would want me to do with her.

Now, if this is not your cup of tea, I have also seen friends go to Diet
Workshop together and make it work for them.  They provide support for
each other, got weighed in on Tuesday evenings followed by diet pizza
afterward; it developed a close bond between these families because of
it.  A workshop is geared towards behavior modification - some of them
towards changing what you eat more than how much.  (For me it would be
how much - I'm not changing what I eat!)  Anyway, this provided a social
outlet every week, accountability and support for each other, and it
worked.

Skip the quick fix.  Get a friend or neighbor to go with you somewhere.
It may be just the thing to establish a relationship with that neighbor
of yours who hasn't become as close as you'd yet like to be so that you
can share the good news with her.  Who knows?

Hope this is more of a help than anthing else...

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		275
Weekly loss:		  0
Total loss:		 10
Loss relative to goal:	  -
Left to lose:		 76

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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   *
      *
        *
        *
          *

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
        
	
    One thing that definitely hurts weight loss for me is being on pager.
    Can't go anywhere. Tend to eat from boredome! Wasn't quite as bad this
    time, but still a problem.
        

 I'm at 211.5 (started at 219) so I guess I lost a couple more last week (I'm
 afraid I've lost track of how much I weighed last week).




Jim

Starting weight:	220
Today's weight:		208
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		 12
Loss relative to goal:	 +0 
Left to lose:		 23
    
    I think I hit a wall last week, despite continuing my exercise program. 
    I'm losing inches, but not weight.  Time to trim back portions now and
    push the exercise a little more.

     
     	     1-03-94     210
             1-10-94     208
             1-17-94     198
             1-24-94     197
             1-31-94     193
             2-07-94	 192
    	     2-14-94	 194
    

    well praise the Lord!  I broke through the wall and am 3 pounds lighter
    since Sunday.

Starting weight:	224
Today's weight:		221
Weekly loss:		  1
Total loss:		  3
Loss relative to goal:	 +1
Left to lose:		 51

        Weeks ahead/behind

           January         February
        10  17  24  31   7  14

Paul        +�  +1  +1   0   0
Jim      0  -2  -3 -2� -2� -2�
Sparky  +2 +1�   0  -�  -1   ?
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�  -1 -1�  -2
Fonz     0  +4 +3� +4�  +4  +2
Mike    +�   0  +0  +1  +1   0
Steve       +� +1�   ?   ?   ?
Glen                         ?
Tran                     0  -�

	I keep forgetting to put this in.

	1-24   215    
	2- 3   202.5   -12.5
	2-10   202     -  .5
	2-17   205     + 3.0



	Not a very good week for me! :-)  But hopefully I'll be back to losing
this coming week... well.... weight that is..... :-)


Glen

Did you really take of 12.5 lbs in a week and a half?  How?

Paul

    After 3 weeks of daily aerobics, I thought I'd try running last night. 
    I was surprised at how easily I ran 2 miles.  I felt like I could've
    ran longer, but had an appointment I couldn't break.

| Did you really take of 12.5 lbs in a week and a half?  How?


	I got naked... :-)   But seriously, I think most of it was that my
eating habits went from eating like I used to (which was anything I wanted) to
eating the right foods, smaller quantities, LOTS OF FRUIT and LOTS OF WATER
(which I think the 2 combined helped flush the system), along with doing the
stairmaster. My guess is a lot of it was fluid and the flushing of my system. 
I don't think I would have lost as much if I didn't exersise though. But I've
not been exercising for about a week and I think that helped me stop losing and
start gaining. Well... that and I started to eat a little more at night. :-)


Glen

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		273
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		 12
Loss relative to goal:	  -
Left to lose:		 74

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
*
   *
      *
        *
        *
          *
            *

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
    

    
    
       Since I'm abroad this week I'll post my weigh in next week.....I
    must confess that I blew it 3 days :^( by eating not so healthy
    foods...
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    But boy did I enjoy it ...hoo hooo !!
    
    
    			Fonz_who_now_understands_the_woes_of_travel_but
    			is_making_the_most_of_it
    

 I didn't weigh in today..I have a feeling I may have gained a pound
or 2 myself over the last few days :-(




 Jim

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		275
Weekly loss:		 -2
Total loss:		 12
Loss relative to goal:	 -4
Left to lose:		 76

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
*
   *
      *
        *
        *
          *
            *
          *

 Wrong way for me as well...back up to about 216.






 Jim

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
		    2/28/94	287
        

Starting weight:	220
Today's weight:		207
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		 13
Loss relative to goal:	  ?
Left to lose:		 22

goal weight 195

03-Jan-94    236
10-Jan-94    230 - Probably some due to being sick with the Flu
17-Jan-94    229 - still some due to sickness
24-Jan-94    230 - Don't feel to bad, since I was eating restaurant food all
                   week, sitting most of the time, and am also healthy now.  
                   BTW I'm using a previously unused hole in my belt.
31-Jan-94    229
07-Feb-94    228 - Probably time to start exercising now
14-Feb-94    228
21-Feb-94    228
28-Feb-94    227

Not to good, but I am ready to try another 5 pound drop, then probably
stabilize again.  This is similar to how I did it before, 10 years ago.  I
would really diet for a week, loose quite a bit, then modify my eating to where
I would stay stable, usually just quit snacks and Cokes.  Then I typically
would eat less, but slowly start an occasional snack, then feel guilty and
repeat.  I don't know if it is the right way, but it worked before with only
about 5 or 6 weeks of real suffering.

Sparky 

    
    
    
       Well fellow dieters I finally stepped on the scale after a 2 week
    delay, knowing that I splerged(sp?) I have been hesitant.....What would
    it read ???????
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
     I weighed in at 193...........whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    				Fonz_who_is_leaping_for_JOY !!

>       Well fellow dieters I finally stepped on the scale after a 2 week
>    delay, knowing that I splerged(sp?) I have been hesitant.....What would
>    it read ???????
>     I weighed in at 193...........whew!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was all that disaapointment at Plymouth Rock (pebble, stone, grain)
no doubt.  It was great to see you Alfonz - I hope to return the favor
some day, if I ever get to travel your way.  :-)

MM

    
    
       Yes Mark,
    
     The excitement of 'being on' the same soil that our fore fathers stood
    must have ignited my matabalism(sp?)....HEE HEE HEEE !
    
    				Fonz

>    The excitement of 'being on' the same soil that our fore fathers stood
>    must have ignited my matabalism(sp?)....HEE HEE HEEE !

I thought your fore-fathers headed south, Alfonzo.  Anyway, I'm glad we're
brothers!

MM

    
    
    
>>> I thought your fore-fathers headed south, Alfonzo.  Anyway, I'm glad
    we're
    brothers!
    
    MM
    
    
       Well actually I think they came from Spain....so if I "REALLY" want
    to go to the soil of *my* ancestors I guess I'd have to go to Spain 8^)
    
    					Fonz
    

�     <<< Note 359.164 by ELMAGO::AMORALES "transformed not conforming.." >>>
�    delay, knowing that I splerged(sp?) I have been hesitant.....What would
�    it read ???????

On this side of the Atlantic, for a guess ... 'splurged'.

Sorry Fonz....  Couldn't resist

							Andrew

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
		    2/28/94	287
		     3/7/94	293
    
    Wrong direction I'm sure!
    

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		277
Weekly loss:		 -2
Total loss:		  8
Loss relative to goal:	 -8
Left to lose:		 78

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
*
  \*
    \ *
      \ *
        *
          *
            *
          *   \
        *       \

I stayed down with my sister all last week, sitting around, with EVERYONE
bringing food, and another buffet every time I turned around.  I suppose I
should be glad I ONLY gained 2 lbs.  But in a way this is good.  I haven't
been taking dieting too seriously.  My next short-term goal is to get back on
track by the end of March.  Seeing as I saw 271 briefly before I went back
up, I think a bunch of this is just bloat from excess salt, etc.

    
    I'm proud of you all for your efforts in this area.  Keep it up! 
    If you've ever struggled with anything you know that persistence is the
    key to success.
    
    jeff

    I'm down to 206.  It's been slow, but steady progress.

        Weeks ahead/behind

           January         February       March
        10  17  24  31   7  14  21  28   7

Paul        +�  +1  +1   0   0   0  -2  -4
Jim      0  -2  -3 -2� -2� -2�   ? -6�   ?
Sparky  +2 +1�   0  -�  -1  -2  -3 -3�   ?
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�  -1 -1�  -2  -3  -4  -8
Fonz     0  +4 +3� +4�  +4  +2   ?  +�   ?
Mike    +�   0  +0  +1  +1   0   ?   ?  -2
Steve       +� +1�   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Glen                   +5�  +3   ?   ?   ?
Tran                     0  -�   ?   ?   ?

    Back on track guys.....whew...
    
    
    
     		 1-03-94     210
                 1-10-94     208
                 1-17-94     198
                 1-24-94     197
                 1-31-94     193
                 2-07-94     192
                 2-14-94     194
    		 2-28-94     ***
    		 3-07-94     191
                                

 I'm still a bit off track..will be back on track next week..






Jim

      May I join you?
    
    I think that this is a wonderful idea...if we pray for one another,
    we can make it!  Even though I am new to this conference and noone
    knows me, I will still be accountable to you.
    
    My story:  I started out at 245 lb. in 1990.  In 3 years, I dropped to
    190 but have gained 15 lbs. since Jan. 1, 1994.  I have recently
    felt convicted to lose weight because, I believe, my witness is
    hindered by my weight ( society does not take heavy women seriously..
    my experience).  My goal is 160 lbs. from 205.  That's 45 lbs. 
    @ 2 lbs. a week.  With the Lord's help, I will reach my goal in
    late Aug.
    
    I have looked to the Word for motivation and have chosen Romans 14:17
    as diet verse of the week:
    
    For the kingdom of God is not food and drink, but righteousness
    and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
    						Rom. 14:17
    
    Pam

 Of course you can join us!  Thank you for that Bible verse...I've been convict-
 ed this weekend that I need to really get back on track..I'll  weigh in
 tomorrow..my guess is I've gained 3-4 lbs :-(




 Jim

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
		    2/28/94	287
		     3/7/94	293
		    3/14/94	295    
    
    Wrong direction I'm sure!
    

Welcome, Pam!  Thanks, that's a GREAT verse.  I think I'm going to print it
out and post it on my refridgerator!

Do you want to be included in the weekly updates?

Paul

I'll be praying for you, Bob.  I know how easy it is to get discouraged, and
want to toss the whole idea.

Hang in there, brother.

Paul

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		274
Weekly loss:		  3
Total loss:		 11
Loss relative to goal:	 -7
Left to lose:		 75

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
*
  \*
    \ *
      \ *
        *
          *
            *
          *   \
        *       \
           *      \

 Ok, I'm at 213...not as bad as I thought, but still up a couple lbs since
 my last weigh in.





 Jim

The last weigh in I have for you, Jim, is 216 on Feb 28.  So I figure you've
lost three pounds in the last two weeks.

Paul

 

 hmmm...thanks, Paul!





 Jim

    still at 206

    .186
    
    Aw it's Arnold MarkenHeiser now is it? 

    naw, Arnold is uglier than me.

    I wouldn't know... now would I ??? :-) :-) :-)
    
    Arnold looks good to me. ooooooh

 Man, why'd they deliver Girl Scout cookies to me today? %-/

    
    Got mine too, but ordered, "THIN mint" :-) :-)
    
    The more you eat the thinner you get... right?

    Nancy, I've never lied to you.

    .192
    
    Er, uh... spit it out Michael... is this one of those it hurts me worse
    then it hurts you statements????? :-)

    re: back a few
    
    I'd like to be on the weekly tally if you don't mind!
    
    Pam

>    I'd like to be on the weekly tally if you don't mind!

You got it.  Welcome.

Paul

	Well, I'm down to 197. Only 22-27 more to go! The 1st 15 went like
nothing, but these last 3 went verrrrrry slow. Time to start pushing the
exercise button up a few more notches!



Glen

>    Er, uh... spit it out Michael... is this one of those it hurts me worse
>    then it hurts you statements????? :-)
    
    this *is* related to the "Arnold" thread, isn't it? ;-)

    .197
    
    Uh, were you referring to the "Thin Mints"??? :-)
    
    Uh, no, you were referring to you being better looking then Arnold...
    
    Oh, :-) blush... 

    Oops......He HE sorry about that last one....
    
    
    Ahem....check in time :
    
    		     1-03-94     210
                     1-10-94     208
                     1-17-94     198
                     1-24-94     197
                     1-31-94     193
                     2-07-94     192
                     2-14-94     194
                     2-28-94     ***
                     3-07-94     191
    		     3-14-94	 191
    

        Weeks ahead/behind

           January         February       March
        10  17  24  31   7  14  21  28   7  14

Paul        +�  +1  +1   0   0   0  -2  -4 -3�
Jim      0  -2  -3 -2� -2� -2�   ? -6�   ?  -7
Sparky  +2 +1�   0  -�  -1  -2  -3 -3�   ?   ?
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�  -1 -1�  -2  -3  -4  -8 -10
Fonz     0  +4 +3� +4�  +4  +2   ?  +�   ?  -�
Mike    +�   0  +0  +1  +1   0   ?   ?  -2  -3
Steve       +� +1�   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Glen                   +5�  +3   ?   ?   ?  +3
Tran                     0  -�   ?   ?   ?   ?

still at 221 for all the past weeks. 

<<< Note 359.201 by EVMS::PAULKM::WEISS "Trade freedom for His security-GAIN both" >>>




Glen                   +5�  +3   ?   ?   ?  +3


	I don't understand this. I origionally lost 12.5 lbs, then �, gained 3,
then went down to 197, which is a loss of 8. How come I have all these pluses?



Glen

Plus is good.

What the numbers represent is how many weeks ahead or behind of your goal
loss you are.  So if your stated goal is 2 lbs a week, and after 3 weeks
you've lost 8 lbs (instead of the 6 that was your goal after three weeks),
you're two pounds ahead of schedule, or one week ahead of schedule, so you'd
be at +1.  Zero is good, it means that you're right on the schedule you set
for yourself.

I did it this way for a number of reasons.  With the more obvious method of
just recording how many pounds were lost, it's hard to really tell how people
are matching up to their goals.  If one person's goal is two pounds a week,
and another's is one pound a week, with the same net weight loss one may be
doing great and the other just so-so.  Or when people join in later, they may
not have lost as many pounds as someone else, but be further ahead of their
goal because they've been at it less time.

Paul

	Paul, that makes perfect sense AND it reflects the actual goals someone
is trying to reach, regardless of how much/little they want to lose. Thanks for
clearing that up and I'm glad you're handling things. :-)


Glen

 214 today.





Jim

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		270
Weekly loss:		  4
Total loss:		 15
Loss relative to goal:	 -5
Left to lose:		 71

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
*
  \*
    \ *
      \ *
        *
          *
            *
          *   \
        *       \
           *      \
               *    \

    My Chinese roommate gave me a massage last night, while she was
    doing this, this thought jumped out: :-)
    
    I have plenty of meat to kneed!
    
    I have plenty of needs to meet!
    
    Now visually it's not that profound, but audibly it is.. and it is very
    much in sync with why so many folks gain weight... the *needs* are many
    and we lose sight of the provider.  
    
    I heard someone said, 
    
    Less of me Lord, More of You.....
    
    

>    I heard someone said, 
>    
>    Less of me Lord, More of You.....

There is an old song which ends each verse in a progression as follows:

All of me and none of You.
Some of me and some of You.
Less of me and more of You.
None of me and all of You!

I'm working on number four.

    I've reached a plateu(sp?).....could use prayer ......thanks ...Fonz
    
    
    
    
    
                         1-03-94     210
                         1-10-94     208
                         1-17-94     198
                         1-24-94     197
                         1-31-94     193
                         2-07-94     192
                         2-14-94     194
                         2-28-94     ***
                         3-07-94     191
                         3-14-94     191
    			 3-21-94     195

    same here.

    Oh, I forgot to put my progress here....I made a very poor
    start but have made a recovery and am doing much better this
    week.....3/21 I gained two pounds...I guess I was so focused
    on food that I ate it but I have turned my focus to where it
    should be and so far have lost those 2 lbs. in the last 2 days.
    
    I have been walking during lunch instead of going to the canteen
    and that seems to help.
    
    Pam

    Hello,
        Sorry I haven't written in a while I've been real busy lately,
         and was unable to participate in the weight loss program.
        But now I'm back at it and have been for 6 weeks.I started at
         a mere 268 lbs.and I'm am down to 241 lbs. Its been very
        difficult to do,but the way its come off is by reducing my food
         and fat intake.And by working out every other day at the 
        gym doing cardio-vascular and abdominal exercises.Well thats 
         all for now,I hope you'll let me back in the program.
                                               In His Love,
                                                 Steve A.

    WOW...that's terrific!  I bet noone at work can recognize you!
    
    Pam

    Well, here I go....splash!!!  I've taken the plunge, and am going
    to join you folks in tracking my weight loss.  I'm only going to
    give you the pluses and minuses.  
    
    Went to the doctor's last week and he told me I really should lose
    weight, not because I have any current problems, but to prevent
    diabetes and arthritis in the future.
    
    I have lost about 4 pounds since Friday's doctor visit.  I'm going
    to be realistic and plan on 1-1/2 lb weight loss per week.  I guess
    that means I'm already ahead of goal!  Could you folks add my name
    to the chart and to your prayer list for weight loss as well?    
    
    I assume that everyone is weighing in on Mondays?
    
    Regards,
    
    
    Sherril                                                     
    

    Oops!  I forgot to tell you, I have 65 pounds to lose.  My strategy is
    to keep my fat intake under 30 grams per day.
    
    Me again,
    
    
    Sherril

We're still praying for you, Bob.

What do you mean, Steve "Can you join again"?  There are no entry
requirements other than a desire to participate.  The only reason we WOULDN'T
let you back in is because you've been apparently not participating for two
months, then you come back in and report and you're SPOT ON your goal, and
we're jealous.  :-)

        Weeks ahead/behind

           January         February       March
        10  17  24  31   7  14  21  28   7  14  21

Paul        +�  +1  +1   0   0   0  -2  -4 -3� -2�
Jim      0  -2  -3 -2� -2� -2�   ? -6�   ?  -7 -8�
Sparky  +2 +1�   0  -�  -1  -2  -3 -3�   ?   ?   ?
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�  -1 -1�  -2  -3  -4  -8 -10   ?
Fonz     0  +4 +3� +4�  +4  +2   ?  +�   ?  -� -3�
Mike    +�   0  +0  +1  +1   0   ?   ?  -2  -3  -4
Steve       +� +1�   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?  0!
Glen                   +5�  +3   ?   ?   ?  +3   ?
Tran                     0  -�   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Pam                                             -2
Sherril                                        1.6

	Bad week fer me. I'm up to 200! 



Glen

 Hiya, Sherril ;-)

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
		    2/28/94	287
		     3/7/94	293
		    3/14/94	295    
		    3/21/94	295
        
        

<-----

Bob,

Good going, at least you haven't gained any (!)  :-)


Paul

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
		    2/28/94	287
		     3/7/94	293
		    3/14/94	295    
		    3/21/94	295
		    3/28/94	295
    
    I think it's time to take a bike ride. My son's have borrowed some 18
    speed bikes... I think I will take the opportunity of having the days
    to myself to take a *slow* and *easy* bike ride... IF I scare the
    rubber off the rims... 8>)....
    
    Gotta warm up plenty before that happens though. It's 10f this morning.
    
    Still smiling...!
    
    Bob
    
        

    At today's weigh in I am down another pound since I first wrote in
    for a total of 5 pounds lost, 60 pound left to goal.  There may be
    a difference between the scales I have weighed myself on, but from
    now on I will be weighing on the same scales.
    
    Hasn't been too hard, but I realize that the first week you drop
    mostly water.  How's everyone else doing?
    
    
    Sherril

I can't wait until it gets warm enough for lunchtime basketball!

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		270
Weekly loss:		  0
Total loss:		 15
Loss relative to goal:	 -7
Left to lose:		 71

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
*
  \*
    \ *
      \ *
        *
          *
            *
          *   \
        *       \
           *      \
               *    \
               *      \

     Since I've lost a few weeks in this battle it is time to redo some
    war plans.......prayer always welcomed !
    
    
    				Fonz
    
    
                             1-03-94     210
                             1-10-94     208
                             1-17-94     198
                             1-24-94     197
                             1-31-94     193
                             2-07-94     192
                             2-14-94     194
                             2-28-94     ***
                             3-07-94     191
                             3-14-94     191
                             3-21-94     195
    			     3-28-94	 196
    

    >I can't wait until it gets warm enough for lunchtime basketball!
    
    we've been doing that for months ;-)

    Hi folks,
        Todays weigh-in was 240lbs.,I'm sorry if made someone jealous
         that was not my intention.The reason I couldn't participate
        is because of medical problems I was having,part of those pro-
         blems had to do with my back.I have since corrected the trouble
    .   I was having with my back.The loss of weight has made a differ-
         ence also.Well thats all for now you all hang in there,because
     .  once you start losing its all down hill,if your persistent and
         faithful toward it.Besides that wouldn't you like to have a
        lean,healthy temple.Bye Bye.;-)
                                            In His Glorious Name
                                               Steve A.
                                            

 Didn't get a chance to weigh in today...besides I ate a whole bunch of
 jambalaya, gumbo and pecan pie Saturday night that will probably cause me
 to break the scale ;-)




 Jim

I hope you didn't really think I was jealous, Steve.

I'm delighted that you're doing so well, and I'm sure everyone else here is
too.

Paul

 yes, Steve, that is great!






Jim

    Paul,
       I didn't think you were jealous,I took it with a grain of salt.
        Jim I wish you stop talking about all that good food,I use to
       live in Louisiana where you could get some great gumbo,and all
        the shrimp boiled in beer you could eat for $2.99.
       I'll talk to you later its time to go home.
    
                                                  Steve A.

 I've never been to Lousiana, but I sure do love jambalaya, gumbo, blackeyed
 peas and greens and pecan pie :-)



 Sorry...couldn't help it :-/

    I could go for some good fresh blackeyed peas and some of my Granny's
    Pecan Pie... (she's from Georgia tho)
    
    oh well... guess I'll have popsicle instead... :))

If *I* were participating in the weight loss note, I would want 
all this talk about food set hidden, but since one of the moderators 
is perpetuating it, he can see it anyway.  :-/

;-)

MM

 :-)

�     <<< Note 359.234 by TOKNOW::METCALFE "Eschew Obfuscatory Monikers" >>>
� all this talk about food ....

Yeah - that's what I thought too ... I guess it would be against the
conference guidelines if this was a conference on weight problems...  Basic
doctrine confliction (I will set no evil thing before my eyes...).  
Speculation on the parallels is rather interesting...

� since one of the moderators is perpetuating it, he can see it anyway.....
Perhaps the problem is that he has set it hidden - by putting it where he 
can't see it, but where the evidence becomes obvious to everyone else 
[offline] ;-}

							...Andrew

    Checking in.   I lost a pound this week.  That puts me at a total of
    7 pounds lost, 58 more to go.  I did nibble a little bit at one of
    my children's chocolate bunnies yesterday!  
    
    Sherril
    

    
    
      Check in time........whew......what a hard weekend ! Let us all
    resume our course and direction as we shed away our flesh...
    
    					Fonz
    
                                1-03-94     210
                                 1-10-94     208
                                 1-17-94     198
                                 1-24-94     197
                                 1-31-94     193
                                 2-07-94     192
                                 2-14-94     194
                                 2-28-94     ***
                                 3-07-94     191
                                 3-14-94     191
                                 3-21-94     195
                                 3-28-94     196
    				 4-04-94     194
    

    Hi Folks,
         Well its check in time again and I'm down to 239lbs.
                                           Bye 
                                             Steve A.

There's no way I was going to do an official weigh-in today.  It was a BAD
weekend, food wise.  Or more specifically, *I* was bad, foodwise.  :-)
Starting with the Japanese dinner out on Friday and ending with Ham dinner,
chocolate, and a birthday cake with ice cream yesterday.

I'll weigh in tomorrow.  The news still won't be good, but not as bad as it
would be today.

Paul

Well, a bowl of salty popcorn with the NCAA game last night kept this from
going down, but I can't wait any longer....

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		274
Weekly loss:		 -4
Total loss:		 11
Loss relative to goal:	-13
Left to lose:		 75

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
		    2/28/94	287
		     3/7/94	293
		    3/14/94	295    
		    3/21/94	295
		    3/28/94	295
		     4/4/94     294
    
    Still smiling...!
    
    Bob
    
        

    I'm now at 205, still losing inches though.

    I'm still stuck at 227, lost maybe a pound the last 3 weeks.
    
    Sparky

>    I'm still stuck at 227, lost maybe a pound the last 3 weeks.

Let's see.  That 1/3 pound each week into the "loss" column so you're
still going in the right direction.

MM

re.244

Yes, it's known as "the wall".  8*)

Don't be discouraged though, the same bodily process that keeps you from losing
will also prevent you from regaining. This wall is also known as a "set point".
You're body will toggle up and down around a set point. The key to losing or
gaining weight is to change your set point. Set points are changed mainly by
changing your metabolism. Changing your metabolism is mainly accomplished by
aerobic exercise. And of course cutting fat (not meals) out of your diet will
focus your metabolic burning activities on the stored up grease in your body.

Of course, I still can't resist a large plate of cheesey nachos!

When people who are trying to lose weight hit the "wall" they often become
disheartened. But that's the time to bring your body into subjection and
increase your aerobic activity to generate a new set point.

Sail On.

Ace

Hmm, if I cut fat out of my diet....
  I'd have nothing to eat!  8^o

But it is good information.  Now if I only liked vegetation....

Thanks Ace.  Nice to have you around, too!

    well thanks to the flu, I'm down to 200 ;-)

    Mike is today your last day with us?

    (Nancy - the folks at CCM accuse Mike of pulling this "leaving" stunt
    every year on 4/1)

    Actually it's been a few years since I did it.  The first time was
    genuine since PNO was closing, but it was just coincidence that I found
    a job on 4/1 and didn't say anything then.  
    
    I still have online all the nice things people said about me ;-)

 Nice things? ;-)

    Mike are you really leaving?

He's not leaving, so we should all take back the nice things we've said.
Solicited nice things are discounted by 25%.

MM

    Actually I'm leaving in about an hour.

    Mike... you leg puller you... are you lacking for attention at the
    moment?  Need a gig? :-) [or sumpin else]??? 

    Nancy, I would *NEVER* do such a thing!  Actually, I miss gigging. 
    Darn school gets in the way of all the fun stuff.

This is one of those weeks where "the wall" cost me.  I was a bit frustrated
by the wall, and stressed over other things, and ate a lot last week - and
still lost a pound.  If I'd have stayed the course I'd have probably broken
through this week.  Oh well, so I'll start chipping away at it again.

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		273
Weekly loss:		  1
Total loss:		 12
Loss relative to goal:	-14
Left to lose:		 74

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
*
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 215 for me...

    Check in time!  Down one pound this week.  Total of 8 pounds lost,
    57 more to go.  Slow but sure wins the race?  
    
    Sherril
    

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
		    2/28/94	287
		     3/7/94	293
		    3/14/94	295    
		    3/21/94	295
		    3/28/94	295
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
        
        
        

    Weigh in time:::::
    
    
    1-03-94     210    2-07-94     192    3-07-94     191   4-04-94     194
    1-10-94     208    2-14-94     194    3-14-94     191   4-11-94     190
    1-17-94     198    2-28-94     ***    3-21-94     195
    1-24-94     197                       3-28-94     196
    1-31-94     193
    
    		     
    
    
    
    
                                     
                                    
                                     
                                     
                                
                                  
                                     
    				    

	I'm heading in the wrong direction! 202! :(   (I'm talkin' weight
now... :)


Glen

        Weeks ahead/behind

           January         February          March          April
        10  17  24  31   7  14  21  28   7  14  21  28   4  11

Paul        +�  +1  +1   0   0   0  -2  -4 -3� -2� -3� -6�  -7
Jim      0  -2  -3 -2� -2� -2�   ? -6�   ?  -7 -8�   ?   ? -12
Sparky  +2 +1�   0  -�  -1  -2  -3 -3�   ?   ?   ?   ? -8�   ?
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�  -1 -1�  -2  -3  -4  -8 -10   ? -12-12�-13�
Fonz     0  +4 +3� +4�  +4  +2   ?  +�   ?  -� -3�  -5  -5  -4
Mike    +�   0  +0  +1  +1   0   ?   ?  -2  -3  -4  -5 -5�   ?
Steve       +� +1�   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?  0!  -�  -1   ?
Glen                   +5�  +3   ?   ?   ?  +3   ?   ?   ? -3�
Tran                     0  -�   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Pam                                             -2   ?   ?   ?
Sherril                                        1.6 1.3 1.6 1.3

 216 :-(

    Weigh in time ::: ugh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
        1-03-94     210    2-07-94     192    3-07-94   191   4-04-94  194
        1-10-94     208    2-14-94     194    3-14-94   191   4-11-94  190 
        1-17-94     198    2-28-94     ***    3-21-94   195   4-18-94  193
        1-24-94     197                       3-28-94   196
        1-31-94     193
    
                                                                          

    I'm in a holding pattern this week.  I ate some things I shouldn't
    have, so I feel good about staying the same.  Looks like I'm not 
    the only one who is treading water.
    
    
    Sherril :}
    

 I thought I was doing pretty good...gotta excersize some more I guess.



  

 Jim

But basketball starts this Thursday!

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		273
Weekly loss:		  0
Total loss:		 12
Loss relative to goal:	-16
Left to lose:		 74

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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            *               \

    
    Down half a pound this week for a total of 8.5 pound, 56.5 to go.
    
    
    Sherril
    

 How 'bout if we have weigh ins on Fridays? :-/





Jim afraid to step on the scale.

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		266
Weekly loss:		  7
Total loss:		 19
Loss relative to goal:	-11
Left to lose:		 67

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
*
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            *               \
                   *          \

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295
                    1/10/94:    290
                    1/17/94     295
                    1/24/94     292
                    1/31/94     289
    		     2/8/94	288
		    2/14/94	287
		    2/21/94	287
		    2/28/94	287
		     3/7/94	293
		    3/14/94	295    
		    3/21/94	295
		    3/28/94	295
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
            
        
        

    Jim, I told you not to eat too many hot dogs at the game!
    
    ;)   
    
    
    Sherril
    

 :-)  Actually, I only had one hotdog.  I think it was the breakfast at
 the church Saturday morning that really did it (and the lunch yesterday
 after church).



 Jim

    Hi,
      Sorry I haven't checked in on the weight program but I've been
       sick and unable to workout so I've been pigging out.You know
      trying to feed the cold and starve the fever,and I've gained
       about 8 or 9 lbs.but I'm going to start working out again to-
      night.Because I've got to try and get down to 220lbs.before 19th
       of May,because I'm going to Louisiana to see my 18yr.old daughter
      graduate from high school.Oh!I almost forgot I'm back up to 248lbs.
                                              Bye for Now,
                                               Steven A.

    Weigh in time:
    
    1-03-94     210    2-07-94     192    3-07-94   191   4-04-94 194     
    1-10-94     208    2-14-94     194    3-14-94   191   4-11-94 190
    1-17-94     198    2-28-94     ***    3-21-94   195   4-18-94 193
    1-24-94     197                       3-28-94   196   4-25-94 195
    1-31-94     193
                                                                  

        Weeks ahead/behind

           January         February          March          April
        10  17  24  31   7  14  21  28   7  14  21  28   4  11  18  25

Paul        +�  +1  +1   0   0   0  -2  -4 -3� -2� -3� -6�  -7  -8 -5�
Jim      0  -2  -3 -2� -2� -2�   ? -6�   ?  -7 -8�   ?   ? -12-13�   ?
Sparky  +2 +1�   0  -�  -1  -2  -3 -3�   ?   ?   ?   ? -8�   ?   ?   ?
Bob    +1�  -2 -1�  -1 -1�  -2  -3  -4  -8 -10   ? -12-12�-13�   ?-13�
Fonz     0  +4 +3� +4�  +4  +2   ?  +�   ?  -� -3�  -5  -5  -4 -6� -8�
Mike    +�   0  +0  +1  +1   0   ?   ?  -2  -3  -4  -5 -5�   ? -7�   ?
Steve       +� +1�   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?  0!  -�  -1   ?   ? -8�
Glen                   +5�  +3   ?   ?   ?  +3   ?   ?   ? -3�   ?   ?
Tran                     0  -�   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Pam                                             -2   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Sherril                                        1.6 1.3 1.6 1.3  .3 -.3

I'd like to make a suggestion, that as a Christian notesfile we celebrate our
forgiveness in Christ and wipe the slate clean!  :-)

The weekly group report has just about reached across one 80-column page, so
I'm going to need to start a new report.  Most of us who have been at this
from the beginning are quite a ways behind our original goals.  It can get
discouraging to see that you're 5 or 8 or 13 weeks behind where you started,
and may cause people to feel like giving up.  So for the group record, at
least, I'd like to call this period, through April, "Round 1," and start
again at the beginning of May as "Round 2."  What people choose to do on
their individual reporting is up to them, I will probably keep the graph I've
been using.

Anyone who desires to continue with round 2, please post a weight this week.
There are a couple of people (Tran? Pam?) who we haven't heard from in a
while, and others who have been sporadic.  Do you want to continue?

Next week, I'll post "Round 1 results", and then start a new "Round 2"
report.  Round 2 will proabaly also run for 4 months, since that's how much
can fit across a page, and then we can start on round 3.

What do you think?

Paul

    Paul,
      I'm willing to continue on with the next round,because I'm
       going keep on losing weight until I'm down to my goal of
      200lbs.and maybe even 195lbs.So count me in Paul bye,bye.!!!!!
                                        Your brother in Christ,
                                              Steve A.
    

 I'll be in round 2.

    
    
    I'm in !!!!!!
    
    				Fonz

    Go team! Go!
    
    
    :-)

    Please keep me on the list for round 2.
    
    
    Sherril
    

    Weigh in for this week -- down 1-1/2 pounds.  Total of ten lost, 55 left
    to go.  My goal is still 1-1/2 pound per week, so that puts me right at
    goal.  
    
    
    Sherril
    
    

    I haven't been able to work out for a few weeks now because of
    allergies.  The good news is that I'm maintaining 205.

 Didn't get a chance to weigh in this morning, though I don't think
I'll have anything good to report.  Not a good weekend for dieting.




Jim

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		268
Weekly loss:		 -2
Total loss:		 17
Loss relative to goal:	-15
Left to lose:		 69

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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	Weeks	Loss	Loss/week

Paul	15	19	1.2
Jim     16	 3	 .2
Sparky  13	 9	 .7
Bob	16	 5	 .3
Fonz    16	15	 .9
Mike    15	15	1.0
Steve   15	13	 .9
Glen    10	13	1.3
Tran     2	 3	1.5
Pam      1	-2	-2
Sherril  6	8.5	1.4

I'll be including the following people in round 2, based either on regular
participation or expressed interest.  Of course, feel free to join back in at
any time.

Paul
Jim
Bob
Fonz
Mike
Steve
Sherril

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295 (In January)
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
		     5/2/94	282
    
    Wow, ain't even trying anymore and bang..... 
        

Yo, Bob, way to start off Round 2!!!

Paul

    Hey -- collectively there's been over 100 pounds lost so far!  Kudos to
    all of you!
    
    Mark L.

 218...right about where I started round 1 :-/





Jim

    
    
    Been on vacation, will weigh in tomorrow !
    
    			FOnz

    Results of Today's Weigh-In: 2 lbs. down, leaves 53 to go, for
    a total of 12 lbs. lost.
    
    Sherril
    

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		267
Weekly loss:		 -1
Total loss:		 18
Loss relative to goal:	-16
Left to lose:		 68

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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                   *          \
                 *              \
                  *               \

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295 (In January)
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
		     5/2/94	282
		     5/9/94	280
    
    Gee, only 80 to go....! 
    

        Weeks ahead/behind

      Round 1         May
       Loss	 2   9

Paul	 19	-2 -2�
Jim	  3	-2   ?
Bob	  5	 3   3
Fonz	 15	 ?   ?
Mike	 15	-1   ?
Steve	 13	 ?   ?
Sherril	8.5	 0  .3

    I see that I've slacked off a bit , but I'm still in ....
                                                            
    4-04-94 194
    4-11-94 190
    4-18-94 193
    4-25-94 195
    5-02-94 193
    5-09-94 191

 I'm still in, however with the revival going on at the church, and 
related activities, my eating habits have not really been conducive
to weightloss.




Jim

    How ya'll are,
        
            I'm still in the weight loss program,the week of the second
             was inventory and I took off that monday.And this monday
            was a wierd day and never had time to get into the system.
             I'm still at 248lbs.I haven't lost or gained,and next week
            is going to be hard because I'm going to Louisiana to see
             my daughter graduate from High School.And they have real great
            food down there so pray for me that things don't get out of
             hand.Got'a GO.
    
                                                 In Christ,
                                                   Steve A.
    

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		265
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		 20
Loss relative to goal:	-16
Left to lose:		 66

2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
8 8 8 7 7 7 7 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 0
5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9 7 5 3 1 9
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    I'm checking in and I'm at 247lbs.Bye,Bye,buy bonds.
    

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295 (In January)
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
		     5/2/94	282
		     5/9/94	280
		    5/15/94	279
    
    79 to go....! 
    

I'm going to be on vacation for the next two weeks.  Pray for me with weight-
I'll be at home all day, which makes it much easier for me to nibble, nibble,
nibble.  See you all in two weeks.  I'll do a group posting when I get back
that includes all three weeks.

        Weeks ahead/behind

      Round 1         May
       Loss	 2   9  16

Paul	 19	-2 -2� -2�
Jim	  3	-2   ?   ?
Bob	  5	 3   3  2�
Fonz	 15	 ?   0   ?
Mike	 15	-1  -2 -2�
Steve	 13	 ?   ?   ?
Sherril	8.5	 0  .3   ?

Will miss you, Paul.  Keep a glass of water by you to stave off the 
pangs....

							Andrew

 Have a good vacation, Paul!




 Jim

    Back from vacation of one week.  Managed to stay the same as on    
    May 9th.  I'm happy with that, since we did a lot of eating out.
    I'll be watching it again starting today.
    
    Sherril
    

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295 (In January)
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
		     5/2/94	282
		     5/9/94	280
		    5/15/94	279
		    5/23/94	279
    
    79 to go....! 
    

    Checking in for this week.  Down 1.5 pounds for a total of 
    13.5 pounds, 51.5 pounds to go.
    
    Sherril                
    

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295 (In January)
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
		     5/2/94	282
		     5/9/94	280
		    5/15/94	279
		    5/23/94	279
		    5/30/94	279
    
    79 to go....! 
    

    Down a total of 4 pounds.
    
    
    Donna

    Stayed the same this week.  I didn't do too good over the weekend,
    so I'm happy with this.
    
    
    Sherril
    

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Jim

    I haven't been able to work out for a month, but I'm still at 207.

I'm not weighing in this week.  Two weeks of staying home and snacking during
the day didn't do good things for me.  I'll wait a week to stabilize, then
start in next week.

Paul

	Whoops, guess I found it... (this note)
	quite by accident, I must admit...

	I'm currently down 2.5 pounds from my originl pre-pregnancy
	weight.

	I'm aiming for 1 pound/week weightloss.

	I'll report my loss as a delta to my pre-pregnancy weight (no
	actual weight reported!!)
	
	Karen

If you are nursing, you can lose an extra 1000 calaories a day!  You can
use this to advantage, but be careful to (a) not abuse it thinking "I
have calories to spare" and (b) not to neglect the nutrition you and your
baby need!  Keeping these in mind, you have an advantage many of will
never have!  ;-)

Mark

	Thanks Markem.

	Actually, recent studies say it's more like 500 calories
	per day.

	If you eat the amount of calories normally required to
	maintain your current weight, you'll probably lose weight
	(essentially you're taking in 500 fewer calories than needed).
	
	However, if you take in fewer calories than that, you risk
	jeaopordizing the milk.  A study was done that compared the
	caloric content of the milk produced by women that ate sufficient
	calories and those that didn't, and the difference was
	very significant.  Although a mother wouldn't notice it
	in quantity of milk, over time the baby would slow or stop
	weight gain.

	I've got a pretty good book on losing weight while nursing
	(can't ya tell ?).  It actually says that 1-2 pounds per
	month is the most reasonable goal, but that is geared towards
	women that need to lose the PREGNANCY weight.  Those of us
	that are overweight before getting pregnant can safely lose
	up to 4 pounds / month.  (Having a very large baby helped
	me lose the pregnancy weight without even trying.  It's this
	other stuff I've got to move now...)

	Um, you did want to know all this, right ??  :-)

    I read if you are nursing you can lose 1000 calories per day and I was
    a bit miffed atfirst thinking, now why should nurses be given such an
    advantage!?

	I can think of numerous tasks in the nursing profession that
	would help me lose weight (rather quickly and violently...)

re-1

8*)

What if you're a nursing student? Is it less than 100 a day?  8*)

Good night, nurse!    You guys want to milk this for all its worth,
don't you?  Well, if mammary serves, breast feeding is best for the
baby, and with the information on caloric reductions, its cream on
the top.  However, I would advise Paul Weiss not to try it.  ;-)

    What a hoot!  Next thing you'll be trying to tell us you're from Deere,
    Cow Hampshire.

	Mark,

	You're all wet!

    
    >        You're all wet!
    
     that happened to me one time. :-)

    not me, I wasn't nursed.

>    not me, I wasn't nursed.

Dan may have not been nursed either.  It has happened, and I have witnessed
this rather comical event, that when milk is gorged in the woman, removal
of the pad (to keep her from wetting herself) can let out (or more
properly termed "let down") a stream of milk that projects away from the body.

There, I think I handled that as delicately as possible.

    Well that I know, since my wife nursed all 4 of our children.

    -1��, -2, -3, -4
    
    :-)

>    Well that I know, since my wife nursed all 4 of our children.

Mike claimed that this was not a feat performed at the same time.
Thanks, Mike, for that clarification.  (Still chuckling.)

 Phew!

    Lost a total of 5 pounds this week.  Only 77 to go....
    
    
    Donna

I went to the doctor to get my eye examined (no big deal, tiny nick in the
cornea from a speck flung by a string trimmer, will heal just fine in a
couple of days), but as a routine thing they took my blood pressure.  It was
140/100.  In itself that is not dangerous, but at only 35, that's way too
high to leave there.

So I'm getting serious.  No fat.  No sugar.  And stay that way until I'm down
to 200.  Pray for me.

Paul

    Paul,
    
    I pray that you are encouraged to continue in this decision.  You have
    good company... :-)

re.337 Paul

	Go for it Paul. You're body will try to compensate for the lack of fat
intake buy storing whatever little amount you do take in (it's nearly impossible
to cut fat out completely because it is processed into everything we like!).

	The best way, the durable way, the lasting way, is to change your
metabolism thorough areobic exercise and burn that fat away.

Best to you.
ace

    
    Paul,
    
      After I moved to Ga. my blood pressure was much higher than it 
    should have been, I needed to lose weight also do I went on a low
    fat diet.  It will take awhile to get use to eating low-fat foods
    but trust me, it is better for you.  I have lost @20+ lbs since.
    
     I would also suggest that you eat as much fruit as you want. Try to
    eat at least one apple and bananna each day.  You need to increase your
    metabolism by increasing physical activity and also by eating good
    things, like raw veggies and fruit as snacks.
    
    Dan

>    but trust me, it is better for you.  I have lost @20+ lbs since.

I won't recognize you!

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		265
Loss over 4 weeks:	  0
Total loss:		 20
Loss relative to goal:	-24
Left to lose:		 66

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Donna, Karen, do you want to be included in this?

        Weeks ahead/behind

      Round 1           May               June
       Loss	 2   9  16  23  30   6  13

Paul	 19	-2 -2� -2�   ?   ?   ? -6�
Jim	  3	-2   ?   ?   ?   ? -7�   ?
Bob	  5	 3   3  2�  1�   �   ?   ?  
Fonz	 15	 ?   0   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Mike	 15	-1  -2 -2�   ?   ?  -7   ?
Steve	 13	 ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Sherril	8.5	 0  .3   ?-1.6-1.6-2.6   ?

Sure, include me.

I'm down another pound, so that makes me at -3.5 in 4 weeks.  I'm pleased.

(or, if I want to "cheat", I'm actually down 28.5 in 14 weeks ;-) ;-) ;-) )

Karen

    
    
    Sorry for taking so long to reply in here.......
    
    weighed myself saturday and was at 187....
    
    
    			Fonz

    My weightloss program is in temporary hold... I am lossing weight cause
    my pants are getting to big and the belt needs new holes, but ain't in
    the mood to weigh in....
    
    Later!
    

Golf weekend with my dad.  Lots of eating, but lots of excercise too.  Probably
a wash, weight wise, but right now my stomach is full!

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		264
Weekly loss:		  1
Total loss:		 21
Loss relative to goal:	-25
Left to lose:		 65

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	Karen

 218.5



 Jim cutting down on food..need to excersize

>>>>	Jim cutting down on food..need to excersize

	A very punny misspelling...

Karen's in. Donna, do you want to be included in this?

        Weeks ahead/behind

      Round 1           May               June
       Loss	 2   9  16  23  30   6  13  20

Paul	 19	-2 -2� -2�   ?   ?   ? -6�  -7
Jim	  3	-2   ?   ?   ?   ? -7�   ? -9�
Bob	  5	 3   3  2�  1�   �   ?   ?   ?
Fonz	 15	 ?   0   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?  -4
Mike	 15	-1  -2 -2�   ?   ?  -7   ?   ?
Steve	 13	 ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Sherril	8.5	 0  .3   ?-1.6-1.6-2.6   ?   ?
Karen     -                         -�  -�  -1

	shouldn't I have a "4" in the second column (loss) ?

The second column is the loss from the first "round."  It doesn't change week to
week, it's just there to keep track of the total that has been lost.

Paul

	sorry, and thanks...

	Will I know when the round ends ?  Do we sound a bell ?

	How many rounds 'til we reach our fighting weight ?

The "round" ends when the little chart gets so wide that it needs to wrap. 
Winds up being about four months.

We start again, because it starts to get depressing to see that you are 7 weeks
behind on the goal you have set for yourself (only 9 weeks into it!).

Paul

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295 (In January)
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
		     5/2/94	282
		     5/9/94	280
		    5/15/94	279
		    5/23/94	279
		    5/30/94	279
		    -------
    		    6/22/94	274
    
    74 to go....! Better late than never.
    
    

I just had to enter this again, since Bob is doing so well.  Right on schedule
through 8 weeks!  Way to go Bob!

        Weeks ahead/behind

      Round 1           May               June
       Loss	 2   9  16  23  30   6  13  20

Paul	 19	-2 -2� -2�   ?   ?   ? -6�  -7
Jim	  3	-2   ?   ?   ?   ? -7�   ? -9�
Bob	  5	 3   3  2�  1�   �   ?   ?   0!
Fonz	 15	 ?   0   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?  -4
Mike	 15	-1  -2 -2�   ?   ?  -7   ?   ?
Steve	 13	 ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Sherril	8.5	 0  .3   ?-1.6-1.6-2.6   ?   ?
Karen     -                         -�  -�  -1

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Someone has *GOT* to get this man something to do.......

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>Someone has *GOT* to get this man something to do.......

Yeah!  I'm looking to move to North Carolina (tech triangle) or Atlanta
and points north.  Resume pushers are welcome to contact me!  ;-)

    Mark, is that in DEC or out of DEC?

Out of DEC.  The writers and editors are being turned loose by December.
I'm a writer and I'm going to be on the loose.  Contracting is becoming
a big thing, but after some years of trying it, companies will find that
they need a few "performers" to stick around.  Many companies still have
in-house writers, and I'll be open to them that does.  And there's
a whole bunch of ways to package information, so let's not get boxed
in to manuals.

So, tying this into the weight loss note, DEC will be thousands of pounds
lighter as the year progresses.  I'd hate to chart it though, by Paul's
metric.

Mark

	Up 3 pounds today... I had a week of small indulgences, but
	never thought I'd put back 3 pounds... time to get the nose
	out of the refridgerator and back to the grindstone.

	My good news is that I taught aerobics last week for the
	first time in 6 months!  It felt great!  I hope to be
	filling in for people that are going on vacations this summer,
	then get a class in the Fall (there are usually more openings
	then).

	Karen

I haven't weighed yet.  I think I did well all last week, until Sunday night..
we had a banana split gathering after church :-/



Jim

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295 (In January)
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
		     5/2/94	282
		     5/9/94	280
		    5/15/94	279
		    5/23/94	279
		    5/30/94	279
		    -------
    		    6/22/94	274
	    	    6/28/94	274
    
    74 to go....! Better late than never. And this after a family wedding!
    
    

    Can I get in on this?  I have been trying to lose weight since about
    January (although I go more serious about it as it got closer to swim
    suit weather 8^) ).
    
    I started off at 184lbs and am currently at 168lbs.  My goal is
    150-155 lbs (ANYwhere in that range would suit me!).
    
    Bing

Absolutely, Bing.  Welcome.  I'll put you in starting this week at 168.  Good
job already - almost 20 pounds lost!

For the group reporting thing, what is your goal loss per week?  A pound a
week?  Pound and a half?  Two?

Paul

    You can put in a pound a week (Although I'll accept more if I can get
    it) 8^).
    
    Bing

 
   218....shouldn't have eaten all that ice cream Sunday night :-/

    I'm at 207 so you can update the ? on my line.

	I stayed the same last week.  I did, however, get my eating
	back on track, and I'm glad for that.  I had trouble getting
	exercise in with Emily being sick, but I'm back on schedule
	there, too.

	Karen

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		262
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		 23
Loss relative to goal:	-27
Left to lose:		 63

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Lots of question marks the last few weeks.  You folks all still there?

        Weeks ahead/behind

      Round 1           May               June           July
       Loss	 2   9  16  23  30   6  13  20  27   4

Paul	 19	-2 -2� -2�   ?   ?   ? -6�  -7   ?  -8
Jim	  3	-2   ?   ?   ?   ? -7�   ? -9� -10   ?
Bob	  5	 3   3  2�  1�   �   ?   ?   0  -1   ?
Fonz	 15	 ?   0   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?  -4   ?   ?
Mike	 15	-1  -2 -2�   ?   ?  -7   ?   ? -10   ?
Steve	 13	 ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?   ?
Sherril	8.5	 0  .3   ?-1.6-1.6-2.6   ?   ?   ?   ?
Karen     -                         -�  -�  -1  -5  -6
Bing      -

            Well here it is;
    
            Starting weight:    295 (In January)
		     4/4/94     294
		    4/11/94	294
		    4/18/94	***
    		    4/25/94	290
		     5/2/94	282
		     5/9/94	280
		    5/15/94	279
		    5/23/94	279
		    5/30/94	279
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    		    6/22/94	274
	    	    6/28/94	274
		    7/04/94	275
    
    75 to go....! 
    
    

    I stayed the same (168 lbs) last week.  Started at 184.  Goal is 155.
    
    Bing 

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		260
Weekly loss:		  2
Total loss:		 25
Loss relative to goal:	-27
Left to lose:		 61

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	Well done, Paul!

	I'm still the same this week.  SIGH...

	I'm eating the right foods, though I'd suspect a bit more than
	I should be to *lose* weight.  Also, I did not exercise for a
	week due to being sick.  Got back into it last night, so I expect
	(if I continue ;-) ) to see a loss next week.

	Then again, that is vacation time...

    I'm about loosing heart with this process of loose, gain, loose, gain.
    
    I can't handle it this way anymore, but I don't want to give up.
    
    I need to let the Lord help me, but I don't know what to pray. I don't
    know enough scripture that would keep me focused in my quest of
    shedding this weight... 
    
    Discouraged, YES... I am. I'm tired of being this heavy and I'm tired
    of trying diets that don't help to keep it off. I find I am getting
    less physical than even before. I can't even walk from my car to the
    office without becoming winded... I'm losing ground rather than
    gaining.
    
    URGH... I appologize for this outburst, but I needed to vent! I'll sit
    down and quiet down now...!
    
    Bob
    

    Bob, don't apologize for expressing your frustration... I know that
    note took some courage to write.
    
    I struggle with my weight as well.. and I get frustrated as well.  I'm
    learning to ask the right questions though.  What about my personality
    feels unfulfilled.  Is it spiritual, physical, or emotional?  Why is it
    unfulfilled.  Does God meet our needs?
    
    This was either 2nd or 3rd note I ever entered into the notes file...
    It deal with knowing God... It strays somewhat from this discussion,
    but I hope you'll get the gist of how it does apply to our ability to
    feel our needs are met and overeating.
    
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    As a -recent- single mother, I have found challanges in trying to
    *know* God on a more intimate level.  For instance, placing our
    Heavenly Father in the position of a *Father* role model for my boys or
    as the husband I no longer have.  This is where the rubber meets the
    road for me.  For example;
    
    I believe God meets needs   -- I have unmet needs
    I believe God loves me      -- I feel unloveable
    I believe God protects me   -- I feel vulnerable, etc.
    
    But how does one go from a state of *I believe* to *I know*?  
    
    I don't have *the* answer to this question, but as I struggle, God
    reveals things to me (as I can swallow them) about the sin in my life
    that needs confession and repentence.  Each time that happens, there is
    evidence of God, because He is working in my life.
    
    This may not be appropriate here, I am really new to all of this notes
    stuff (though I am enjoying reading your banters) so please bare with
    me as I get to know each of you.  However, God revealed something to me
    about *knowing* him the other morning.  I -try- to write creatively at
    times;  here is my attempt (this is personal regardless of the name
    used):
    
    Anne slowly opens her eyes and sees the alarm clock, it's 6:00 A.M. 
    "No", she moans, "I don't want to get up."  Then she quickly remembers, the
    two boys lying in the other room sleeping.  They need her.  She must get up
    and prepare their breakfast and lunch.  She pauses for a moment remembering
    she should pray and read her Bible, but then remembers the laundry left in
    the dryer.  A heavy sigh leaves her chest as she recalls that the blouse
    she was going to wear that day, is in that load.
    
    A feeling of sadness envelopes her as she thinks of the time that her
    ex-husband would have risen, even with his hangover, and made breakfast
    for the boys.  At these times, she thinks a bad husband is better than no
    husband at all.  Sometimes, it's just so hard.  She feels the Lord gently
    nudging her to call to Him, but she bustles around the house as if to say 
    to Jesus, "I just don't have time for you right now."  So she hurriedly 
    finishes her daily routine with the children and begins dressing herself 
    for work.
    
    She looks in the mirror and her reflection catches her for a thoughtful
    moment.  As tears well up in her eyes she looks deep at herself.  Her
    eyes are tired eyes, where once bright and cheerful eyes were.  
    "The years have gone by so fast, Lord", she ponders, "I am not very 
    old, but yet I feel ancient.  She recalls all the hurt in her life; 
    the sexual abuse from her father, the abandonment from her mother, 
    and finally a husband who chose alcohol over her.  The Lord
    quickly reminds her, "Anne, I am right here beside you, rest in me and
    I will help you."  Anne is perplexed, "Lord, how can YOU help me?  I need a
    husband and a father for my children.  You are in Heaven and I am here."  
    Jesus smiles warmly down at Anne, though she cannot see it yet, and 
    responds,"Lo, I am with you always, for you have me in your heart."  
    She can actually feel God's love for a moment.  It quiets her and 
    the tears begin to flow as she feels His loving arms around her.
    
    Sorry this is so long.
    
    My relationship with Christ is the only way I can *know* Him. 
    
    Nancy 
    

    Nancy and Bob,
    
    Thank you so much for the last couple of notes.  I have been
    going through much of the same things the last few weeks.
    I am just exhausted and wondering where this is all leading
    to.  I have gained 30 pounds since I started working here
    in March.  I am miserable.  But each day I have to remind
    myself that He is in control and I need to get my strength 
    from him.  I started a diet AGAIN today.  We'll see what
    happens this time.  The worst part is that when I get home
    I tend to "go off" on Nathan because I need time to recover
    from working before I can have enough energy to be a good Mom
    and then I end up feeling aweful for hours and get nothing done.
    
    Anyway, I have recommited myself to "pray unceasingly" and I
    will get through this.  It is nice to know that others are/have
    gone through the same thing (though you wish they did not have
    to feel the pain).
    
    Thanks,
    Pam

	My prayer:

	Lord, you know the struggles I have with food and with my
	weight.  I present my body, the temple of the Holy Ghost,
	to you Lord, and ask your help in overcoming my problem.
	Lord, remind  me that YOU are my comfort, not food.  Guide
	me each day as I choose the foods and the amounts that I
	eat.  Help me to be disciplined in my exercise habits, that
	I may keep my body healthy.  Bless me with wisdom in this
	area, that all I do may be pleasing in your sight.  I open
	my heart Lord for you to change me, should my desires not
	be pure.  Thank you, Lord God, for your constant guidance
	and strength.	Amen

    Pam, I certainly can relate to you.  I know intimately the pressures of
    my children, work, and home... and then church obligations.
    
    God has been charitable to me on more than one occasion... and I'm
    learning to be charitable to my children...  God has been merciful to
    me and I'm learning to be merciful..  God has been forgiving to me and
    I've learned forgiveness. :-)
    
    That's the only thing I've LEARNED... No wonder God keeps teaching me
    these things.
    
    :-)  Be encouraged Sister, but also be ready to change.
    
    In His Love,
    Nancy

    I've been somewhat reluctant about entering any thoughts here...as one
    who still has about 60 lbs. to lose....
    
    Here are some thoughts....if they're beneficial; great.  If not, just
    disregard.
    
    A couple (maybe three?) years ago, I had a kidney stone...first one I
    ever had, dear L-rd, let it be the last!  I thought I was dying...
    
    Anyway, while in the hospital being monitored for progress, they took
    some blood tests and found high sugar (potentially signalling adult
    onset diabetes).  Since my body was undergoing the stress of the kidney
    stone, the hospital thought the spike in sugar levels could have been
    caused by that stress.  They suggested another test in a week, and sure
    enough, adult onset diabetes was the diagnosis.
    
    Thankfully, no medication (oral or injection) was required, just diet. 
    I was at that time more than 100 lbs overweight.  Over the next 18
    months or so, I had lost about 40 lbs.  When my dad died last year, I
    put back almost half of it and spent the remainder of last year losing
    that again.  I've hit a plateau, about 60 lbs. away from my goal.
    
    That's some background.
    
    Now for something I'm learning.
    
    There are some thing I know I need to do, but like anything else, I've
    got to trust Him to do it through me.  When I focus on "me" (that is,
    the "old man"), I've already lost the battle.  I really must set my
    mind on things above, reckon myself dead to the old man's ways (e.g.,
    binging, lounging around the house, etc.) and reckon myself alive in
    Him - trusting that it is no longer the old me who lives, but Messiah
    who lives in me.
    
    Apart from Him, I can do nothing.
    
    There are two "methods" so to speak.  I can ask Him to help me perform
    properly, or I can completely trust Him to do it all for me.  That's a
    not-so-subtle difference.  It's also not easy to trust when the
    "results" (to the human eye) aren't yet visible.  But then again -
    we're called to walk by faith, not by sight.
    
    So - I've hesitated to write this because to the human eye, I'm not
    successful (I've still got 60 extra pounds on my bones that don't
    belong here).  But my faith and focus are in and on Him and Him alone. 
    In His eyes, by faith, I'm successful.
    
    Maybe that helps - I sure hope so.
    
    And please, beloved - don't beat on yourselves.  There is a tremendous
    difference between the one who admits his life isn't in line with the
    Word and earnestly seeks change; and the one who could care less about
    G-d's ways....
    
    Keep your focus on Him.
    
    Steve

    .383
    
    Thanks Steve, very a nice note of encouragement. 
    
    Nancy

 Ok folks,  I've got to get serious here.  I haven't got on the scale
 since I returned from vacation, but I *know* I've gained..I'm praying
 and trusting in Him, through the power of the Holy Spirit, to get with
 it and get down to where I belong.

 I'll weigh in tomorrow and we'll go from there.


 I found myself nervous about any physical exertion while in Colorado, but
 found I had no real problem..did a lot of swimming and walking and climbing
 (required at the zoo!) and seemed to have survived that.



 Jim

    I put on a few pounds during vacation too.

 I put mine on primarily when I got to where they serve good biscuits and
gravy for breakfast, and chicken fried steak anytime day or night, and the
waitress said "Y'all have a good day" ;-)




Jim

Do you all want to start round three now?  I'm still at the same weight I
last weighed in at about three weeks ago.  I could use a recharge, and
posting the existing ones with everyone 10-12 weeks behind is depressing.

Post another note here by next Monday with your starting weight, and we'll
start round three weigh-ins the following Monday.

Paul

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		260
Weekly loss:		  0
Total loss:		 25
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Left to lose:		 61

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    Well, I know this is Thursday, but I passed by the nurse's station
    while taking care of a terminal problem and jumped on the scale...
    
    I just found out my little household scale lies, to the tune of 10lbs.
    Instead of me being 274-ish I am really still at 284.5 according to
    scale in the nurse's station.
    
    That don't make me feel to good, cause I thought I had made some
    progress.. Geesh, talk about bursting a bubble. Oh well, gotta keep
    plugging...
    
    So I have to lose 84.5 lbs. to reach my goal of 200 lbs.
    
    Hoe, hum....
    
    Bob
    

Don't dimish your accomplishments.  If you started at 295 on your bathroom
scale and are now 275 on the same scale, you've lost 20 pounds, and that's a
great accomplishment.  The only time the nurses scale is going to come into
play is AFTER you've lost the 95 pounds you originally planned on losing.  So
don't even think about it now.

Paul

	Ah, perhaps .388 is a gift from God ??

	I'm basically right back where I started, so it'll be
	easy for me to begin round 3.

	Maybe spreading vacation out over a few weeks wasn't such a
	good idea... (but I *did* enjoy the chocolate & cheesecake
	torta Tuesday night ;-) )

	Karen

    Paul, 
    
    You are right... BUT that means I was 305 before starting out (really).
    I never thought I'd see myself that heavy... 
    
    Well, time to move on, look ahead, no looking back...
    
    Beets, give me more beets... I need beets... PICKLED BEETS!
    
    

    I'm joining in round 3.  I have 50 lbs to lose.  I do not
    what to specify a weekly goal because I am one of those
    "disappointment eaters" and do not want to set myself up
    for a fall.
    
    I have a book written by DeDe Robertson, Pat Robertson's wife,
    about weight loss.  It has 70 days of prayers and weight loss
    encouragement stories in it.  I have not gotten permission
    to enter the text here.  I do not know the protocol of notes
    well enough to know if I am allowed to enter the text if I
    write "Copied without Permission" on my note.  Please let me
    know and if it is OK I will begin entering to notes today.
    I think they could be very helpful to those of us struggling
    with this.
    
    Pam

Hi Pam,

� I have not gotten permission to enter the text here.  
� I do not know the protocol of notes well enough to know if I am allowed
� to enter the text if I write "Copied without Permission" on my note.  
� Please let me know

Protocol doesn't permit bulk entry of copyrighted material without permission
- we can only input minor quotes, which wouldn't threaten the distribution of
the original. 

If you obtain permission, it's a different matter - then it's ok to enter
whatever is agreed by the copyright holder. 

I would think brief extracts would be fine in the interim, which might even
encourage people to buy the book.  Especially those who suffer from severe
pancakes ;-). 

								Andrew

    I will write to the publisher of DeDe Robertson's "The New You"
    to ask permission to type in large portions of her book but here
    is a sampling.  It says you can copy portions for critical reviews
    or articles.  That is what this is.
    
    Day 1
    
    But those who wait on the Lord/Shall renew theioor strength:/They shall
    mount up with wings like eagles,/They sahll run and not be weary,/They
    shall walk and not faint(Is. 40:31).
    
    Read Isaiah 40:25-31
    
    (Now she tells a story about a friend who was at the ballet and
    could see the dancers in the wings.  They were limbering up
    and getting ready to dance when, right on cue, the exploded
    from the wings in a moment of glory.  
    
    Then goes on to explain that God gives us a special "cue"
    when our renewed energy shows us that our health care is not
    in vain.  Sometimes our bodies are tired and our spirits 
    weak but if we rest on his assurance that He will help us
    when we focus our attention on him)
    
    Prayer: Dear Father, thank You for caring about my physical
    strength and energy.  Help me continue to keep my body fit so
    that I may carry out my daily tasks and my service for You with
    joy and vigor.
    
    
    The book also contains menus for 70 days, exercizes and other
    helping advice for dieters.
    
    Pam 

 years ago at the church I attended in Colorado we had a diet class (I
was the biggest loser in my group ;-)  and we followed the American
Diabetes Association diet..(also had scripture memory, devotions, etc
as part of the group).  Was an easy diet to follow and didn't require
a lot of expense when buying the foods.



Jim

Thanks Pam, 

That reminds me of the Israelites on the verge of entering the promised
land.  He gave them what was needed at the right time, and was preparing
them in advance.  Until we go through the door that the LROD is opening for
us, our awareness is only of 'what has been' - the days of the wilderness.
Yet the reality of what was ahead for them - the land of milk and honey -
was more real, in that it embraced their future experience.  Winning the
land they had been given, with battles and other experiences were the new
Israel.  The wilderness and grumbles were past.

It was still at the top of my mind, because I preached on it Sunday morning...

							Andrew

    Hi,
    
    Re: The New You
    
    Can you provide some more info on the book, ie Publisher, Address, Ref
    No.
    
    Hopefully it will be available in the UK, I will pop down to my local
    bookshop tomorrow.
    
    Thanks in advance,
    
    Stuart

    The New You    by DeDe Robertson
    Thomas Nelson Publishers
    Nashville, Tennessee
    
    published in Canada by Lawson Falle, Ltd.
    Cambridge, Ontario
    
    
    I hope this helps - I am not sure if it is being published
    anymore - I purchased it in the clearance rack at the
    book store for $3
    
    Pam
    
    By the way,  SNARF
    

    Thanks 
    
    .......and congratuations on the snarf.
    
    Stuart

    
    
    Loss:        2.5
    Total Loss:  2.5
    Yet To Go:   47.5
    
    Yeah!
    
    Pam

    Good job, Pam!  Congrats....
    
    "Pam has been crucified in the Messiah and now she no longer lives, but
    the Messiah lives in her.  The life she lives in the body, she lives by
    faith in the One who loved her and gave Himself for her."
    
    Gal 2:20 PSV (Pam So Version ;-)

    Thanks Steve,   Very Cute.
    
    Never knew I had my own version!
    
    8*)

    
    Using the *home* scale....
    
    
    	8-Aug-94	264

 219 on the scale at work..





Jim

    I have treasured the words of His mouth more than my necessary
    food   Job 23:12
    
    
    Read Job 23:11-12
    
    
    
    When we "treasure the words of His" mouth he is faithful to deliver
    us from those cravings that sometimes enslave us.
    
    
    Prayer: Dear God, I ask You to help me overcome the desires that have
    me in bondage.  Fill me with Your Holy Spirit instead of food I don't
    need.
    
    
    
    Paraphrased for your consideration from "The New You" by Dede Robertson
    
    
    
    
    Pam

    If your brother is being injured by what you eat, you are
    no longr walking in love.  Do not let what you eat cause
    the ruin of one for whom Christ died.    Rom. 14:15 (RSV)
    
    
    Read Romans 14:14-22
    
    
    Have you ever been out with a group of people, when one person
    does not want to have what everyone else is having.  With my
    friend it was french fries.  We were at a local ice cream shop
    and we were all munching on fries.  My friend could not eat them
    but we kept pushing.  "Mmmmmmmm they are soooooo goooood!" We
    would say.  Until finally she gave in.  Then next day our 
    friend was very ill due to a medical condition that made eating
    fried foods a no-no.  We all felt terrible.
    
    If someone is on a special diet it is important to be supportive.
    And if we, ourselves, are dieting, it is important to surround
    ourselves with people who will be understanding and supportive
    and who are sensitive to our needs and will help keep temtations
    out of our way.
    
    Prayer: Lord, I ask You to help me love and care for others
    in a spirit of true fellowship.  Make me sensitive to their
    needs so that I help, rather than hinder, them in developing
    good habits.
    
    
    Paraphrased from "The New You" by Dede Robertson for your 
    pleasure.
    
    Pam

    All of Romans 14 not only applies to eating, but judging other
    believers and imposing your will/tastes on other believers.  

I've seen some weights in the 250's, but not today.  I start round three
right where I was last week.

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		260
Weekly loss:		  0
Total loss:		 25
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    Looks like you're making progress...so here an official:
    
    
    
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      AA   A   TT     TT    AA   A BB  B OO  O  YY Y     !!
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      AA   A   TT     TT    AA   A BB  B OO  O   YY
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    -steve

	I weighed in today, and at exactly the same weight I was
	when I started my weightloss effort, which is the same
	weight I started my pregnancy at.

	So, I've reset the counter, and will call this week week 1.

	First weigh-in will be next Tuesday (I always use Tuesday a.m. to
	weigh-in).

	Goal is still 1 pound/week, which will have me at my goal for
	Christmas.

	Karen

	PS - I'll be calling gyms again this week to see if I can
	get a teaching job for aerobics.  Prayers welcome on that
	regard...

    
    
    Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing.
    Luke 12:23
    
    Read Luke 12:22-26
    
    
    Sometimes we spend so much time thinking, and talking, and
    buying food and clothing that we do not have time for the
    most important things in live, serving Him.  We need to 
    get involved with more productive concerns than those of
    food and clothing and concentrate on other activies
    besides eating!  Then you'll be on the road to becoming
    the person Jesus wants you to be.
    
    Prayer: Dear Lord, help me to be the person You created me
    to be.  Guide and direct me to new paths of interest and service.
    Keep my mind away from food, and help me to glorify You in 
    all I do .
    
    
    Paraphrased from "The New You" by Dede Robertson
    
    
    Pam

    Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines.  For it is
    good that the hears be established by grace, not with foods which
    have not profited those who have been occupied with them.  Heb 13:9
    
    
    Read Hebrews 13:7-9
    
    Sometimes when we diet we become consumed by the diet. We live
    it and we breathe it, we become obsessed by it and have no time
    for anyone or anything - especially the Lord.  Strang doctrines
    can also be strange diets.  The Lord did not come so that we 
    would be fanatics and become obsessed with strange things or
    eat in strange ways.  We should simply eat less and more
    healthy foods.  Focus on balanced nutrition and a balanced
    life and focus on the Lord.
    
    Prayer:  Lord Jesus, help me to be balanced in all things that I 
    might be a witness to Your power and glory.  Guard me from strange
    diets as well as strange doctrines.  Help me to serve You in
    every way possible.
    
    
    
    Paraphrased from "The New You" by Dede Robertson for your
    consideration.
    Pending permission from publisher.
    
    Pam

    
    For the kingdom of God is  not food and drink, but 
    righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.  Rom. 14:17
    
    Read Romans 14:17-18
    
    She goes on to tell the story of a family that had gotten together
    for Thanksgiving.  The laid the food out on the table held hands
    and said grace.  Quickly they started passing out the food and
    the little boy there asked if they could say the "Amens" agian.
    So they all complied and quickly went back to eating.  When dinner
    was through and they were leaving, the little boy turned around
    to say thank you and said, "Saying the Amens was the best part!"
    So many times we get together with those we love and quickly
    forget who brought us together and why we are together.  We
    need to spend more time enjoying being together and less
    time engrossing our time with food.
    
    Prayer:  Most bountiful God, help me to feast on the peace and joy
    of being with those whom I love rather than just on my food.
    
    
    
    
    Parapharased from "The New You" by Dede Robertson for your information.
    Pending permission from the publisher.
    
    
    Pam

 218..down 1.





Jim

    
    Using the *home* scale....
    
    
    	 8-Aug-94	264
    	15-Aug-94	264
    

    
    	Well fellow dieters, I confess my lack of continuing in losing
    weight until I return from NH in Sept. I increased my width to 200.
    Look forward in eating right, and excercising. Until then....keep on
    going.
    
    				Fonz
    

>>>>>> I increased my width to 200.

	Yowza Fonz!  Is that in inches ??

    Oops !!! Imeant my breadth.....I think ????
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    
    Old english is not my forte....I weighed in at 200...
    
    					Fonz

    Fonz, if your breath is *that* bad, you need to do something...!!
    		 (breadth)
    BIG SMILEY HERE..!
    
    

    
    Rats......My typing skills have diminished alot..... I wondered why
    people backed off when I spoke :^)....
    
    
    					Fonz

	Sigh...

	Up one pound today... I ate well and exercised last week, and
	was expecting at least a small drop...

	Better luck next week, I guess!
	Karen

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Today's weight:		258
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Here's one time where you WANT people to say that about you.

The following people have said they are in for round three.  Some others
haven't yet.  Mike?  Bing?  Sherril?  Others?

        Weeks ahead/behind

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Jim	  0     -�
Bob	 31     -1
Fonz	 10	 ?
Karen     0     -2

Pam *    2.5     ?     

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    Loss for this week is .5     better than gaining 8*)
    
    
    Pam

    I'm in.  I now weigh 171 lbs.  I gained about 4 lbs from vacation.
    
    I've maintained at 171 for a few weeks now.  My ideal weight is 150-155
    lbs.  I'm fairly short - 5' 8".  I have a pair of size 31" jeans that I
    would love to get back into.
    
    I'm doing OK on diet, I just need to start excercising regularly.  Our 
    church has an excellent facility to work out at.  I have no excuse. 
    I just need to get to bed earlier at night, so I can get up in the
    morning and work out before coming into work.  The kids start school in a 
    couple of weeks, so they will be getting to bed earlier.  This should help 
    ME to get to bed earlier.
    
    
    Bing

 Geesh...I can't remember when I used to wear 31" jeans :-/



Jim

    Last pair of 31"ers I got into was in Junior High School (I think).
    
    In high school I was a size 44"......
    
    I was wearing size 34"/36" while in the Army...
    
    Now I'm a 48+"... and hoping to get back to at least 42"..
    
    Bob
    

    
    
    	31 's !!! I was 31 last year !! :*)

    I gained on vacation too, up to 215.  I've started praying more ;-)

Well, we started "round 3" and then everyone just sort of forgot about it.
I've been simply maintaining, though that is a victory in itself.  But I need
to dig into this in earnest.  My sister is getting married on Nov 12, and we
are reading scripture at the wedding.  I don't have much occasion to wear a
suit, and the only suits I currently have fit me at about 240.  Back when I
really thought I could lose 2 lbs a week for 8 months, I anticipated buying a
new suit for the wedding.  Now I'm looking at that possible necessity for an
entirely different reason and I don't want to.  I DO NOT want to buy a new
suit to fit me at my current weight, as I hope and anticipate not staying
here.  I'd have to buy the suit for a single wearing.

So the goal which I'm shooting for is to lose about 18 lbs in 6 weeks, or 3
lbs a week.  That's a rate that is not sustainable for a long period of time,
but should be sustainable for a short run like this - I've lost weight faster
than that.  That will also bring me to about half of my total goal loss.  My
goal after that will be to simply maintain 240 through the holidays.  Then
next year I'll tackle the other half.

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		258
6 Week loss:		  0
Total loss:		 27
Left to lose:		 59

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    Hi all.  I just started seriously this week to lose weight, and have
    lost 3 pounds.  I've seriously started reading a book I've had for a
    while called Faithfully Fit.  Its not a diet book.  It gets you in the
    right frame of mind.  Turning everything over to God, etc.  Its really
    helping me.  I didn't realize I wasn't turning everything over to Him
    until I started doing this.  
    
    Date Started	9/26
    Loss as of today	3 pounds
    
    Weight to lose:     84 pounds
    
    
    
    Donna

	Forgot ?  Who forgot ??

	I was just grateful no one else was checking in, so I could
	keep quiet, too.

	I've not done well.  In fact, I've gained 5 pounds.  It's
	very strange to me, because I am still mostly eating right,
	and am eating a little less.  The only thing I can think of
	is that Andrew's cut back on his nursing, and that I haven't
	cut back enough to compensate.

	Still working on getting things straightened out.  Stress is
	*NOT* helping!

	I am still weighing in each week, just not reporting it.

	Anyway, I'll be holding you all up in prayer.  Feel free to
	do the same for me!

	Karen

    Hi Karen.  I've not been posting either.  This new approach is working,
    but I want to make progress before posting it in the progress
    notesfile, etc.  Glad to see that I'm not the only one.  I just got
    tired of gaining and losing the same ten pounds!  I've been  drawing
    closer to God through bible study and prayer, and this is a problem
    area in my life.  I came accross this book that I had bought about 5
    years ago, and it's "clicking" with me.  
    
    Anyway, maybe your should eat more one day and then cut back. 
    Sometimes that gets your body in the mood to lose again. IMO
    
    
    Donna

Donna, could you post that book information here, and include it in the title
of the note?  It's only in chit-chat now, and will disappear in a week.

Paul

    Karen, I wouldn't cut back too much, the baby's nourishment is too
    important.  
    
    I've been holding steady, but that's not necessarily a good thing, if
    you get my drift.
    
    Mike

    I forgot about chit chat ghost notes.  (ha ha)  Here's the book info:
    
    "Faithfully Fit" A 40-Day devotional plan to end the yo-yo lifestyle
    of chronic dieting
    
    By Claire Cloninger & Laura Barr
    Word Publishing
    
    Its not a diet at all.  Just gets you in the right frame of mind.  I
    find myself able to eat right by turning everything over to God.  Each 
    day gives a short comment/story, scripture, goals section, affirmation, 
    a journal section for you to write down what ever you want to, Insights,
    and Planning.
    
    The prayers for each day have really helped, and there's even a song at
    the beginning of the book that you can sing each morning.  Its very
    inspirational.  I'll just post the first day's prayer.
    
    "Father, I thank you that you are a God of healing, a God who desires
    our wholeness and health.  Jesus, I thank you for your open arms and
    your standing invitation to "cast all of my cares on you" (see 1Pet.
    5:7).  I am so weary of this problem with food.  And I admit to you
    that it is something I have not been able to solve on my own.  So I
    surrender, Lord.  I cast this problem on you, and I invite you to take
    over my life.  Fill me with your radiant good health.  Help me to
    want your will for me.  I pray in the name of Jesus, Amen."
    
    (written w/out permission)
    
    I think that answered the question, but if there are more just let me
    know.
    
    
    Donna

	I have been praying about my situation this weekend, and
	spending some time listening to God.

	I have decided that I will be fasting on Wednesday of this week
	in an effort to turn my eyes toward God rather than food.   I
	feel I need to spend this day in reflection upon Him.  I will
	be compiling a list of prayer requests for others that I will
	focus upon that day, along with devoting my thoughts to God.

	I am posting this here only so that anyone that has been
	contemplating this (or begins to contemplate it once this
	has been read ;-) ) can join me if he/she so desires.  I will
	provide a copy of my prayer request list to anyone that chooses
	to join in (actually, I'll provide it to anyone that asks!).

	You need not let me (or anyone else know) if you do decide to
	join - hopefully, it will be enough to know that there will be
	others united in the same effort without knowing names.  You
	are welcome to let me know if you so desire.

	Please, I'm not keeping track of anyone here - I currently
	expect no one to join.  Do not feel that you must participate
	because you think someone expects you to.  Make this between
	yourself and the Lord.  Again, I just felt that if anyone
	HAS been considering such a fast, we could unite and make our
	prayers prayers of earnest agreement.

	Karen

    Karen,
    
    That was easy... count me in! :-)
    
    And yes I had thought of it before your note.. but God used you to
    push me just enough to commit.
    
    Thanks,
    Nancy
    
    P.S. Looking forward to receiving your list!

Sure, I'll join in.  I've been fasting Mondays, but I could switch to
Wednesdays.  Or maybe do Wednesdays too?

Paul

    What they said!  I've been thinking about this also.  Please send
    me the prayer list,too!
    
    Pam

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		253
Last Week's loss:	  5
Total loss:		 32
Left to lose:		 54

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    Donna

 I have not weighed myself this week, but I'm back on the weightloss train
 as of this past weekend.  Will weigh in tomorrow.




Jim

 I'm still at 219.






Jim

�   <<< Note 359.446 by CSLALL::HENDERSON "I'm the traveller, He's the Way" >>>

� I'm still at 219.

� Jim

Flipped into this one half-asleep, from the birthday congrats to Mike & 
Tony.  Jim, for half a moment I felt quite stunned.... ;-)

back to weighting...

								&

 and I don't feel a day over 44!

    I'm fasting today.... Those who are praying... I'm being a little
    selfish - please remember Ed before the Lord for healing.
    
    Love you guys,
    Nancy

	Nancy,

	I'm remembering Ed today more than usual, inserting prayer
	for him in between others.

	Something like:

	Ed
	Helen
	Ed
	Lee Ann
	Ed

	etc.

	Karen

    Thanks Karen!! :-)
    
    

Starting weight:	285
Today's weight:		250
Last Week's loss:	  3
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    I have lost 2 pounds. (yeah!)  I must confess that I got lazy and let
    other things interrupt my use of the book "Faithfully Fit".  I started
    it again yesturday.  Instead of saying "I started using the book
    again", its more like "I started turning my eating habits totally over
    to God again."  I'm hoping that I'll continue with this, as its helping
    tremendously.  
    
    
    Donna

	Reminder that some people will be fasting tomorrow.

	I won't be, but may resume a periodic fast as time
	goes by.

	Anyway, I've still got copies of the prayer list I used
	last week, if anyone wants a copy.  


	Please pray for those fasting, too!

	Karen

    Been doing some serious dieting, with a Dr.s help (from 290 to 260-ish
    in three weeks time)... I'm told this is why I'm not feeling well. The
    body is going through a major change, with that much weight lost in
    such a short time. The diet will begin to lighten up, with a target of
    about 1-2 lbs per week as a goal.
    
    So, my stats on weight loss are
    
    	Start weight:	290 +/-
    	       today:	260 +/-
    
    Bob
    

    Wow Bob!
    
    That is a major loss!  Once your body gets used to the loss you 
    should start feeling great!
    
    Pam

 Great Bob!!



 Hope you get to feeling better




Jim

    Thanks!
    
    I (and the Dr.) think my problem is the loss of weight combined with my
    high intake of cafinated coffee... So, I am making an attempt to get
    off the coffee... This is tougher than the diet itself.
    
    I can't do decafe coffee due to the high levels of acid used in
    processing the coffee... So, I just have to slowly decrease my intake.
    
    And you thought smokers kicking their habit were grumpy.. !@#$#%^&^
    grumble grumble...
    
    

    I know about the caffeine, because my mother can't function without her
    regular cups of coffee. Are you getting headaches at all?
    
    I do needlework and some of the inscriptions that you can put on
    samplers are to do with dieting. How about these:
    
    God must have loved calories - he made so many!
    
    A moment on the lips: a lifetime on the hips.
    
    Those who indulge bulge.
    
    He who stuffeth puffeth.
    
    Taste makes waist.
    
    Anyone think of any more?

    If it were only one cup I wouldn't be worried... I drink an average of
    6 cups per day and if I make it myself, it is strong enough to melt a
    spoon...
    
     YES, if I haven't had coffee in awhile, I get violent headaches, but
    I'm having to live through them now... Kinda cold turkey...
    
    

    
    Hang in there Bob.  And congrats on the weight loss!
    
    jeff

    Praising God with you, Bob!

    I got back into the routine last night by running 2 miles.  Pray that I
    keep it up!
    
    thanks,
    Mike

	Well done, Mike, and will do!

	I was supposed to run last night, but didn't.  I keep
	making excuses...

	Still planning to run another 5 mile race in November, but I've
	got to run a *little* before then! ;-)

	Karen

    actually my wife made me go with her ;-)  I still need prayer though.

	I pretty much abandoned everything for a couple months.
	
	I have been totally exhausted and burnt out,
	and found no time to workout and no desire to eat right.

	I managed to put on 12 pounds !!!!!!!!!!  Stress is not
	a good thing...

	I've always been overweight, but don't remember ever gaining
	weight so easily in my life.  I used to just maintain my (large)
	size.

	Anyway, this note finds me at 30 pounds overweight. 

	I have made up my mind.  This is where the rubber (blubber?) meets
	the road.  I'm eating right again (starting today ;-)  ), and just
	last week got a job teaching aerobics again.  This gym doesn't have
	30 instructors like the last one I worked at, so I'm also getting
	good opportunities to sub extra classes.  I get to use the gym for
	free, too, so I can go one day a week during lunch, and Friday
	mornings (on my day off) in addition to my Monday night class.

	God and I had a one-way conversation last night, and I believe
	he will help me in this battle.

	Goals:  To eat less than 20% fat per day.
		To workout 3 days / week.
		To lose at least 6 pounds by Christmas.

	Karen

May He bless you in it, Karen...

							Andrew

 I've gotta get back on track myself..I've been eating way too much
 junk lately..




Jim

I've been maintaining.  I'm still at about 255.  I want to stay there through
Christmas, then dig in again in January.

Paul

� I've gotta get back on track myself..I've been eating way too much
� junk lately..

Hint .... stick to food ... at least, when it comes to eating ....  it's 
liable to stick to you as well.  From the inside . ;-{

					Andrew

p.s. - Nice to see.... uh, moving to chit-chat.
							&

>but don't remember ever gaining weight so easily in my life.

I am NOT an expert, but I think that this is often the case with dieters.
I think what happens is they accustom their bodies for less intake and
reach a plateau.  When previously "normal" eating re-emerges as the pattern,
the body says "store this in case he gets the idea he wants to starve
us again."  Usually, there is an upper plateau as well as a lower one,
both of which require extraordinary effort to conquer.  Paul's holding the
line through Christmas.  This should be an achievable goal because holding
the line at a lower plateau will take everything he has in will power.

I'm at a plateau, too.  Dieting cost too much in personal effort for me
to do it.  Unfortunately, age sometimes sets a new plateau and we can
gain weight more easily.  Maybe it is due to changing social conditions
that require less physical exertion.  Lots of factors, none the least of
which is heredtary.  My plateau is heavier than I'd like but as long as
I stay in the range, and eat "normally" (for me), I'll learn to accept
myself.

(We got out some video from Thanksgiving 10 years ago when I started to
put on weight.  I'd LOVE to be that weight now!  I was 145 lbs when married.
By that Thanksgiving, I'd gotten my high tech job and ate better than
I did when I was first married - at 19 years old.)  Of course, I might
like to be ten years younger too.  :-)

Mark

    I'm at a plateau as well despite God's Word commanding us to buffet our
    bodies.
    
    Mike

    I pray everyday that the Lord will see me through at least a couple of
    pounds a week... Then I blow it with one trip to the cookie jar or ice
    cream tub.... Urgh, I need to get stronger willed in this battle of my
    bulge....
    
    

>    I'm at a plateau as well despite God's Word commanding us to buffet our
>    bodies.

That wouldn't be an all-you-can-eat buffet, would it?

I fast once a week for buffeting.  It doesn't change my weight, but
it has shown me a few things, such as (a) God is my sustenance, and
(b) food is a gift of providence, and (c) periodic (weekly) purging
(by relenting from intake - not of the regurgitating variety) cleans
my system, and (d) I won't die from missing two meals (I only fast 
breakfast and lunch on my fast day) and (e) I sure appreciate some
of the more (previously thought of as) mundane dishes at dinnertime, 
thinking of those who subsist on rice mash or less.

Fasting is NOT a weight-reduction program, which is part of what I think
the buffeting was about, although dieting can be approached as a buffeting
experience to control one's body.  The down side of this control thing is
when it becomes too much our own effort; discipline gone awry, as it were.
As always, balance and dependence on God for guidance is the theme by
which we should buffet.

(Sorry, I intended to just pop in a joke and got serious.  Oh well.)

MM

    I too gained weight; As a result of all my "worrying" about a new job.
    But hopefully, now that I have a new job and it is closer to home, I
    hope to exercise more. I even plan to ride my bicycle to work come the
    good weather.
    
    Has anyone here ever heard of Corley Bailey. He is a nutritionist and
    biochemist. He has a couple of books on how to diet and loose weight.
    He is very funny too. He makes weight loss fun.
    
    -PDM

	Phil,

	That's Covert Bailey - he wrote the Fit or Fat books... he's
	excellent, and was the impetus behind my first successful
	weightloss.  A minor nit - I don't think he's a nutritionist,
	but I'd have to check that... he claims to not be an expert
	(but most of his teaching is "spot-on" with the current medical
	knowledge).

	Markem, thanks for the tips... I never really considered myself
	a yo-yo dieter, because I was never actually lost any weight
	until I was 22 (any attempts before that point were abandoned around
	day 3...) and the weight I lost then I kept off for 2 years.

	(I then lost it again, and kept that off for two years, at which
	point I regained the weight and kept it ;-) ) 

	I always thought yo-yo dieting referred more to weightloss
	that's only maintained for about 6 months... but can't now
	remember where I heard it, so it may not be true.  

	Anyway, I'm on the road again now... my new motto " Move it
	to lose it! "

	I think the thing that bothers me the most is that I know exactly
	what to do, so have no excuses.  I just have not put anything into
	practice.  I think there's a bit of pride there, in that I'm a
	certified fitness counselor, and should be the one out there encouraging
	everyone, and here I am struggling myself.

	Thank God He can overcome that!

	Karen

    I had lost about 10lbs, but have gained about 5 of it back.  I need to
    lose 20-25 lbs.  I have no excuse.  Our church has an excellent
    facility to work out at (physically AND spiritually).
    
    I'm about ready to get on with it and get down to the weight I should
    be at.  I'm at the age now (36) where I need to be thinking about my
    long term health.
    
    Bing

� I'm at the age now (36) where I need to be thinking about my long term health.

Whew!  Am I relieved to be past it!!!! ;-) ;-) ;-)

							&

    Wow, if 36 "is the age"... then I'm in *big* trouble at 42. You mean
    it's to late..... 8^)..
    
    

    Bing my dear man, you're well, you're MY AGE!!! :-)  What year were you
    born?

    Jan 2, 19.......58!!!
    
    Bing

    :-) :-)  I knew there was a reason I liked you!!!! :-)

    Boy, ya'll are old!

� then I'm in *big* trouble at 42.

Bob, NO Bob, 36 is the age to *** worry *** about.  we're both well past 
that, SO WE DON'T NEED TO WORRY!!!!!  ;-) ;-) ;-)

I'm a mere 46.  Which factorises into 2 and 23.  I'd rather be mature.  
Still, can't have everything.  Maybe in another 25 years....

	Next month, I'll be a prime number, and equal to the last 
	two digits of me birth year!

				 - from a 1947 post-WW II vintage

								&rew

    Wow!   

    I've never been around so many old farts before!

Sounds as if Donna and Mike are approaching the worry zone.

								&

    I'm only worried if it's contagious.

I had it - was 36 once, but it didn't last all that long.  Nearly forgotten 
it now.  Though at the time, I'm sure it didn't worry me at all....

							&

    Love how the old folks ramble on and on and on and on.... (ha ha)

    All I'll say to that is.....
    
    OLDER = WISER = CUTER
    
    

�    Love how the old folks ramble on and on and on and on.... (ha ha)

Careful Donna, or I'll trip you up with my walking frame
.
.
if I can catch you  aaarghhh! stomped them on my false teeth *AGAIN* !!!!


							&rew
			who has no false teeth or walking frames to date.
			and wouldn't choose to date either anyway.

    What the heck is a waling frame?!?  And yes, Andrew sweetie, your too
    young to be considered old. (have to sweet talk him, ya know.  They
    have goodies in their pockets---candy in their pockets, to give to us
    kiddies)
    
    Donna ------------------guess how young I am?
    
    

A walking frame is known as a walker in America, a device used by 
aged persons to amble along with the support of both arms; whereas 
a cane is support by one arm and crutches will not stand by themselves.

MM

    Donna,
    
    A "waling frame?!?" must be a large rack for carrying whales (er, I
    mean wales)... 8^)
    

    I wouldn't know about old fogy devices.  I'm still in my prime.
    
    Hey!  Mom, Andrew threw his false teeth at me!

    Like cheese, we get better with age.....
    

    Age doesn't matter if your a cheese.  Get better with age, heh?  What
    gets better?  or should I ask!
    
    
    dlh

    ....like Nancy's feet ????  ;^)

    Hah!   We better watch it.  Nancy's liable to get her feelings hurt and
    take off her shoes!

    They say the 2nd thing to go is the memory.... 
    
    Funny, I can't remember what the 1st is.....
    
    8^()
    

    Bob, they also say that your mind starts to go when your face clears
    up.  Like I said, it's what I hear...

    P H I L   M O R A N O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
    
    

    
                    A FAT MAN'S PRAYER
    
                    By Victor Buono
    
            Lord, my soul is ripped with riot,
            Incited by my wicked diet.
            We are what we eat said a wise old man,
            Lord, if that's true, I'm a garbage can.
    
            I want to rise on judgement day that's plain,
            But at my present weight I'll need a crane.
            So grant me strength that I may not fall,
            Into the clutches of cholesterol.
    
            May my flesh with carrot curls be satiated,
            That my soul may be polyunsaturated.
            And show me the light that I may bear witness,
            To the President's Council on physical fitness.
    
            At oleo margerine I will never mutter,
            For the road to hell is spread with butter.
            And cream is cursed,
            And cake is awful,
            And Satan is hiding in every waffle.
            Mephistopheles lurks in provolone,
            The Devil is in each slice of bologna.
            Baalzebub is a chocolate drop,
            And Lucifer is a lolly pop.
    
            Give me this day my daily slice,
            But cut it thin and toast it twice.
            I beg upon my dimpled knees,
            Deliver me from Ju-ju-bees.
    
            And when my days of trial are done,
            And my war with malted milks is won.
            Let me stand with the Saints in Heaven,
            In a shining robe---------Size 37!
    
            I can do it Lord if you'll show to me,
            The virtues of lettuce and celery.
            If you'll teach me the evil of mayonaise,
            The sinfulness of hollandaise,
            and pasta limonaise,
            and potatoes a la lyonaise,
            and crisp fried chicken from the South.
            Lord, if you love me, SHUT MY MOUTH!

	I like it, I like it!

    ! <<< Note 359.503 by JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze" >>>

    ! P H I L   M O R A N O !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    
       I can't hear you
    
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                           \___/         la lal lala lala lalla 
    
    (with fingers in ears and la-ing in B-major )
    
    gee heee,
      PDM
    
    

    RE: A FAT MAN'S PRAYER
    
    As a "fat man" I'm not all that thrilled with .504.. It does nothing to
    help me in my trek to lose it... 
    
    However, I have started looking at labels, finding out that most of the
    stuff I'd been eating that I *thought* was healthy, is junk food. Not
    only that.... I'm also finding that alot of the stuff *they* call junk
    food is actually better/healthier.. So, along with reading my Bible
    most/every morning, I also try reading the labels on the food before
    fixing it.... Just in two days, I have found myself cutting *WAY* back
    on the excessive "added fat" in food. 
    
    So, I don't need a "rabbit food" diet to accomplish my goal. I just
    need to read more labels....
    

    Bob,
    
    I know what you mean.  One day, I bought Captain Crunch cereal for
    Nathan and Low-Fat granola for me.  Well, wasn't I distressed when
    I found out thta the Capt'n Cruch had not only less sugar but also
    less fat that the Low-Fat granola!
    
    And it tasted better too!
    
    Pam

    .507  Just curious..can you give an example of what you thought was
    healthy, but was junk food?  I've just about decided that I need to
    make everything myself to get rid of preservatives, hidden fat, etc.
    
    And, by the way, I haven't lost a single more pound.  But I haven't
    been trying either.
    
    Toodles,
    
    
    Donna

    Yup, I learned to read and I'm really starting to realize if I continue
    to do it this way, I'll finally get it off.
    
    I even read the Frosted Flakes box and found it was healthier than the
    muslix, Granola and other so called healthy cereals.. AND I LIKE
    FROSTED FLAKES... I'll admit it.. THEY'RE Grrrrr8.....!
    
    I can already feel a difference. I realize I've got a long way to go
    before I'm into this *reading the labels* diet... AND the real test
    comes at dinner time, when most of the foods don't have labels. Dinner
    time is still a guessing game... I think though, if I use a smaller
    dessert sized plate, at least I'll be eating less. Just gotta talk to
    Peggy and my in-laws to be sure they understand what it is *I* want and
    need to do....
    
    

        RE: .509

    .510 touches on the cereals, but generally... most things that say *low
    fat* or such like that is a hoax.... The information is skued by
    playing with the "servings per container" and other figures. If you
    don't stop to do the math, you/I would eat the entire container,
    thinking the container was only one serving.

    Example... Those granola bars you get in the vending machines (at least
    here in CXO3)... There are two bars in each container... BUT if you
    don't read the health information, you think one serving is two bars..
    Well, there are two servings in the container... at 240+/- calories and
    90 of those calories from fat per serving. So, eating both bars gets
    you 480 calories and 180 of those calories from fat... I don't eat this
    product any longer.... Even one is to much...

    What I look at now is the "calories from fat" even more than the
    calories themselves... I find if I can stay as close as possible to a
    5% calories from fat to total calorie count, then I can beat this blubber
    stuff....
    
    I know I have to be careful as to what I read. The manufacturers of
    these products don't care that they are decieving us adults into
    thinking their products are healthy when they really are not...
    
    

� If you don't stop to do the math, you/I would eat the entire container,
� thinking the container was only one serving.

Actually, I understand that eating the container is healthier than eating 
the contents in some cses...

						;-{
								&

    It also goes along way in keeping the environment clean. It's also a
    great form of fiber.... 8^)
    
    It's what is known as a *box* lunch... 8^)
    

	Bob,

	Try 20% calories from fat.  It's easier to live with, adequate
	for weight loss, and perhaps healthier (early studies have
	shown that there may be a % fat that is too low - more work
	needs to be done, but 20% is indeed a safe and healthy number).

	Karen

    Ya, I realize 5% is low... But with the amount that I've gotta lose, I
    figured starting at 5% would be ok... Then work back up to a more
    reasonable %.
    
    Actually maintaining 5% has been rather easy. For example, my tomato
    soup. 180 Calories with only 10 of those from fat. Yes, I know, 9 fat
    calories is 5%, but 10s good.
    
    Actually the can is two servings at 90 calories per... BUT I looked at
    the 180 as being a "not so bad" calorie amount for lunch and went for
    the double serving.... 
    
    I had forgotten how good tomato soup really was.... Quite basic, quite
    good..!
    

>              <<< Note 359.515 by BSS::GROVER "The CIRCUIT_MAN" >>>

    Consumer Report did an article recently on the new health labels and
    mentioned that certain words could not be used to describe a product as
    good for you if the numbers for that product were not below a certain
    level.  For example, you used to be able to buy Pringles Lights potato
    chips.  However, per the new guidelines, the amount of fat in these
    chips was above the limit and therefore they could not label them as
    "light".  Did they reduce the fat content to comply?  Nah.  Instead
    they just re-labeled them as Pringles Rights!  Sneaky.  Other companies
    have done similar things.
    
>    I had forgotten how good tomato soup really was.... Quite basic, quite
>    good..!

    The problem I have with most of the soups is the sodium content.  I
    never add salt to any of my food anymore (partly because of blood
    pressure concerns) and as a result can really taste when prepared foods
    have lots of salt in them.  I can't believe the salty taste when I eat
    canned soups.

    Ron

    I switched to Skim Milk about a year ago.  Used to drink 2% before
    that.

    Ron, I agree with you on the sodium stuff.. BUT, other than EXTREME
    amounts of sodium, I have enough to concern myself with in getting the
    fat/calories down, so the weight comes off.
    
    I am however requesting the shoppers in my house (Peggy and my MIL)
    start getting the "reduced sodium" products... Problem is, some of them
    compinsate for the lower sodium by putting in additional fat content.
    If that's the case, I'll opt for the higher sodium as apposed to the
    higher fat....
    
    Getting the weight off is a pain in the neck.... Geesh!
    
    

    Can you go over again how you are figuring the fat percent.  Lets do
    simple math.  Say something has 100 calories and 10 grams of fat?? Or
    you try a simpler calculation.  I'm getting confused.
    
    
    dlh

	Percent fat from calories example

	My bagel has 280 calories and 4 grams of fat

	4 x 9 = 36 calories from fat (this is already done for you on
					the new labels)

	(36 / 280) * 100 = 12.9% fat

	
	That's

	(Calories from fat / total Calories) * 100

	Karen

	Bob (and Ron)

	There are lots of good soups out there.  The "Healthy _____" choices
	(lots of different brands with similar names) are low in fat
	and low(er) in sodium.

	I like the heartier soups, like lentil or pea soup.  I often
	mix cooked white rice in with my lentil soup.

	Bob, 180 calories is a meager lunch.  

	I can give you some menu ideas that offer sufficient variety,
	calorie and fat counts if you want to see how you can eat
	well and enjoy it. (then you can teach me to follow it ;-) )

	Karen

    Anyone ever follow the menus in the Hilton Head Diet book?  I did this
    once for a month and it worked great.  I should go back to it.  Lots of
    healthy foods and good quantities too and I still lost weight.
    
    Mike

    Karen,
    
    I realize there are plenty of soups and other meals for a good lunch.
    BUT, the tomato @180 calories surprizingly "hit the spot".. It truly
    has satisfied me, even with the low calorie count. 
    
    I appreciate your offer of menu ideas and may take you up on it. BUT,
    for now, I'd like to try sticking to *my* game plan. I figure if I can
    at least stick to "a plan" that is half the battle. Once I get that
    licked, then I'll venture out.
    
    This is my 3rd day, and I really do feel good. I don't feel like I
    would on other diets, at other times....
    
    I've got a box of raisins for my snack this afternoon.
    
    For dessert last night, I cooked up some raisins with cinimin and
    nutmeg. They were good and cooking them doesn't add any calories.
    
    

    Oh ya, and I watch Grahm Kerr (SP?) on the Discovery channel. He always
    cooks reduced calorie and reduced fat dishes..

    Some might remember Grahm Kerr as the galloping gourmet back in the
    60s. Well, he's back at it, but with the reduced/healthier fare. He
    does have an awefully funny accent however.. Sounds like he comes 
    from England or something.... 8^()
    
    Anyway, he has some great dishes with some incredible reductions in the
    *bad* stuff...
    

 years ago I lost a lot of weight (but since found it) by following the
 American Diabetes Association Diet.




Jim

    One other thing about dieting for me... I can't do the nutrasweet
    stuff. It gives me violent headaches... So sweets are tough. That's 
    why the cooked raisins work... The Natural sugars give it the right
    amount for taste....
    
    Got a long way to go, but I already feel different.... Maybe it's in my
    mind, but who cares... It helps to feel good about dieting for a
    change.
    

	Bob,

	Slice up an apple with those raisins, and you've got
	one of my winter "staples" !

	BTW, Graham Kerr is a Christian.

	Mike, I never saw the Hilton Head Diet.  I've asked for
	the cookbook "Cooking with Rosie" (or something like that)
	by the cook Oprah Winfrey hired to cook healthy meals for her.

	Karen

    Karen,

    But staples are so hard to chew... 8^)

    Ya, I like cooked apples and now have added it to my list of snackable
    foods.

    Yes, I was aware of the fact Graham Kerr was a Christian. His
    Thanksgiving show was done with much Christian influence.

    He just makes some awesome dishes. I tribute him with getting me
    started on this read the label diet.. Plus, he has given me ideas as to
    how to lower the fat, calories and cholesterol in even dishes I fix
    around the house....
    
    Maybe now that I have healthy dishes I can do the same for the food....
    .... 8^)
    
    

    My wife has the cooking with Orca's Rosie book.

 I'm just glad that Justin Wilson doesn't have a cooking show on now..
 I used to watch his shows and drool, I garontee!




Jim

        I like Justin Wilson's show, when it was on...

    He does cook rather rich foods though...

    Use to like Chen-can-cook as well... Now, he had some yummy dishes.

    Julia Child was good to watch if you could get past her voice.

    Let's see, what other cooking shows have been on..

    I watch "great chefs" all the time... BUT would never cook the way they
    do... Lotsa butters, creams and other killer ingredients.
    
    There's been so many cooking shows on TV that I forget most of them.
    
    

>    Use to like Chen-can-cook as well... Now, he had some yummy dishes.



     Yeah, the dishes were good, but the food was better ;-)
   




    Jim    
    

    I think I got the name wrong....

    I think it was Yan-can-cook....

    Ya, and the food was good to.... Lotsa prawns... I like shrimp.
    
    

    Well maybe they are re-runs, but on channel 13 in dallas (public
    station) they still play Justin Wilson and Yan can cook.  There's a new
    outdoor grill show thats not bad, and then the standbys: Natalie Dupree
    and the Frugal Gourmet.  I do miss Graham Kerr's show.  Oh well.
    
    Toodles 

    Ah, yes, the Frugal Gourmet... Forgot about him. I enjoyed his show
    too.
    
    Graham Kerr can be seen on the Discovery Channel if you've got cable or
    satilite TV service.
    
    

>              <<< Note 359.535 by BSS::GROVER "The CIRCUIT_MAN" >>>

>    Graham Kerr can be seen on the Discovery Channel if you've got cable or
>    satilite TV service.

    Bob,

    What day and time is he on here locally?

    Ron

    Well, let's see. (these are approximate times)
    
    	Daily at - 11:30 & 4:30
    
    Again, these times may be off, I hadn't paid much attention to the time
    when he would come on.
    
    The "Great Chefs" program is on directly after Graham Kerr...
    
    

	Anyone hear how they have linked some forms of obesity (20% above
normal weight) to a gene? They are now going to try and come up with a drug to
cure it. The doctor on the Today Show (can't remember his name) mentioned how
it does not cover all forms of obesity, but that it seems to cover those who
are 20% over their normal weight. He said it will cover those under that too,
but then in those cases it may be caused by something else. They will be able
to test for it though. Imagine if this turns out to be true? You can bet your
bottom dollar that if it is a gene, and people do decide to get the cure, that
the weights in here will start resembling Walmart's prices.... they will be a
falling.... :-)

Glen

        BUT, the skeptic that I am says that *if* this can be done, the folks
    who make the diet drugs, drinks, food, equipment, etc... will make all
    attempts to NOT let this get onto the market and spoil their very
    lucrative business....
    
    AND, I surely don't trust the government to keep such a thing from
    happening.
    

    I do mean our fine American system of government however, not implying
    other governments are as corupt (i.r. I mean well meaning)
    

    Gene research is highly controversial and opens up a major can of worms
    for any group in power to determine that certain traits in humans are
    undesirable.  I'm sure that it is a short skip from correcting obesity,
    to alcoholism, to other human conditions that many consider to be
    out of the mainstream or abnormal.
    
    I am reminded that the inventor of TNT was so appalled by its
    destructive use against mankind (instead of for things like mining
    and road contruction, etc.) that he set up a continuing foundation to
    reward people who pursue ventures that benefit humanity.  His name
    was Nobel and he set up the Nobel Peace Prize.
    
    And now you know... the rest of the story.
    
    Mark "harvey" Metcalfe

Last night on the news they showed a really obese mouse whose genes had been 
manipulated in this way.  I felt sorry for the poor creature, but if that could 
lead to relief for many sufferers it would be a good thing.  I don't know if 
it justifies messing with the mouse genes, or if there could be a better way... 

								Andrew

    Seems my latest diet is starting to work.
    
    Start weight	=	262
    12/06 weight	=	259
    
    The best part of this diet, it doesn't feel like a diet at all!
    
    I think this time I'm gonna make it... With God's help of course.
    
    

    Well, I'm jumping in here!   I've battled the bulge nearly all my life.
    My parents adopted me when I was three months old, (in the late 1950's,
    aw, it was 1956) and immediately took me to a doctor because I was
    such a "scrawny baby".  Remember that in the fifties a fat baby was
    considered a healthy baby.  The doctor told my parents that I was OK
    and that I'd probably be skinny all my life.  Yea, right.

    I was a 5-roller (around my legs) when I was 9 months old!
    For a a brief period in junior high, and a few years as a teenager, I was
    not overweight...all the rest of my life I've been overweight.

    My husband and I made a promise to each other yesterday.  I promised to
    walk 2 miles 4-5 times a week, lose weight, and drastically reduce my
    intake of saturated fats.  I'm really convicted that this is an area in
    my life that God wants me to surrender complete control.  I've
    tried so many ways to lose weight: Weight Watchers, Jennie Craig, Diet
    Center, counting calories, etc.  But God is convincing me, through
    His word, that it is a sin issue, and should be dealt with as sin.
    I will always struggle, but the only way to have victory in this
    area is to walk in the Spirit.  

    So, I need to be accountable to someone, and my husband will be that
    person.  I will actually step on a scale in front of him this weekend!
    We've agreed not to approach my weight loss in a critical manner, so
    no jokes or sarcastic comments are allowed.  I will post my success
    here.

    I'm planning on following the Weight Watchers program and walking on
    the treadmill after the kids have gone to bed.  When the weather
    permits, I'll be walking during my lunch time.


    

    I see where you're coming from....
    
    Growing up, my mother and grandmother would come up with this.....
    
    "just think of all those starving kids in {insert a country here}"
    
    
    I am sorely convenced that if I'd sent those kids even 1/2 of what I'd
    eaten growing up, world hunger as we know it would be wiped out....
    
    As a senior in high school, I was only 10-15lbs lighter than I am now,
    so I have a long row to hoe... BUT this time I'm sticking to it. 
    
    No special diets for me anymore. I'll just read the labels before
    stuffing it into my mouth. I will also *attempt* to walk as much as
    possible. One thing I am doing is parking away from the building to
    give me a little walk in the morning and evening.. Of course, as the
    weather gets colder, the distance may get closer...
    
    Well, enough rambling!
    
    Bob
    

Hi Kathy, 

I was adopted 'at birth' too.  And believe I've always been reasonably
meaty, as were my kids.  However through their teens most of them slimmed
down considerably.  I seem to have compensated a little for them ;-(
I appreciated your perspective on this issue, and your (and your husband's) 
commitment.  May God bless you both in its fulfillment!

Bob ....
�    "just think of all those starving kids in {insert a country here}"

I've heard that one too.  It made more sense than we realised.

� I will also *attempt* to walk as much as possible. One thing I am doing is
� parking away from the building to give me a little walk in the morning and
� evening.. 
I've thought of that one, but always seem to be in a rush to get in and on
with things...  Perhaps I need to rethink it.  I wonder if I could
discipline myself to walk once round the building before going in.  It
would have the added advantage that parking in a less popular area would
mean I'd more easily find my car when I came back to it, instead of
wandering round in confusion like the other night... Ah! I had that 
exercise impressed on me!

�    Well, enough rambling!
    
Hey, Bob, I thought that was the point?

	;-)
								Andrew

	I forgot to weigh in the morning... ugh.

	(Actually, I forgot to weigh in yesterday, so planned on
	today, and forgot again!)

	Oh well... I'll just keep on course... I took a "slide" class
	last night (unfortunately NOT the kind where gravity does
	all the work).  I can already feel my leg muscles - I'm going
	to be one sore lady tomorrow!  Luckily, once my muscles get used
	to the lateral motion, soreness shouldn't be a problem.

	I'll post next time I remember to weigh in.

	Karen

	I was 215 many many notes ago. The scale told me this morning I was
197. I still want to lose 20 lbs more.


Glen

    
    Glen,
    
    That's terrific, congratulations!
    
    Pam

359.548� I was 215 many many notes ago. The scale told me this morning I was
359.548� 197. I still want to lose 20 lbs more.

By my reckoning, at this note, I should be either 549, or 359 (still) 
either way sounds pretty horrendous,and if 195 means 'lose 20', I look like 
being a mere shadow of my former self.  I don't think I'll play.... ;-{

							&

    >and if 195 means 'lose 20', I look like being a mere shadow of my former 
    >self.
    
    Well 175 means lose 25 for me, but I'm 5'8" (OK probably more like 5"7"
    8^) ).
    
    Bing

	Well, I'm not gonna play your game either - my weight is 
	a secret (the exact number, not the fact that I've got it, 
	much to my dismay)

    I'm too short for my weight.

� I'm too short for my weight.
I'm the perfect combination.  Or would be, if only I could get my feet to 
reach the ground.

								&

    Well, I've gone up five pounds.  There is actually good news though. 
    I've started eating "right" today, completely.  I even walked at lunch!
    
    Donna

	Scale's going the wrong way for me, too.  I ate better last
	week, but not great.  I've gotta get more focused when it
	comes to mealtime...

	Working out at lunch today, though!

	re: too short - at this weight, I should be six feet tall! 
Unfortunately, I'm 5'2"

	

    ARGH!!  Me too.  I finally got up the nerve to get on the 
    scale this morning.  I have gained 45 lbs in the last 9 months.
    If I were pregnant that would be fine but I'm not!
    
    What is really aweful though is that I have passed on my terrible
    eating habits to my son.  All his life he has been tall for his
    age but now he is starting to show little signs of being overweight.
    He is 4'9" and weighs 100lbs.  He wears boys size 14 or mens small
    and mens size 5 shoes and he is only 7 years old!
    
    I wasn't particularly worried about him because he goes through
    some extreme growing spurts and I figured he was just gaining
    weight and then when he grew another few inches over night he
    would be fine again.  But it hasn't worked out that way.  He is
    starting to become very self conscious about his body.  He says
    he is fat.  I have not said one word about his weight because I
    don't want him to go through what I did growing up - and now looking
    back on it I wasn't overweight then!
    
    Well, he said - Mom, I want to only eat lowfat stuff cuz I wanna
    lose weight.
    
    I told him that if he wants to we can excecise together after
    school - we can walk or ride bikes together.  And that we need to cut 
    back on sweets and junk food.  So, when we go grocery shopping we
    will go over all of the food and I'll teach him how to read the 
    labels.  The problem  is that he is so picky.  He will not eat
    fruits, except juice and the only vegetable he will eat is carrots.
    This does not make for a healthy diet. 
    
    I hope I'm doing the right thing.  I hope we can stop this cycle
    before it gets too far.
    
    Any ideas would be greatly appreciated,
    
    Pam

    Snarf

    Pam, I don't think foot size is an accurate reflection of weight, but
    I'll take your word for it.  ;-)
    
    I have a friend with a 12-year old son that is 6ft tall and has a size
    14 shoe.  His doctors expect him to be 7ft when done growing.
    
    Mike

 Well, folks....shall we start the new year off with a new crack at
 setting goals and sticking to them?




 Jim

    I'm game.
    
    I've set a new goal of 1 pound per week. I know someone had said this
    in this file before, but of course I didn't listen, until now.
    
    I intend to get to this goal with a combination of a few factors. First,
    I will be reading the labels and "trying" to eat less fat and more
    fiber. I want to walk every day. In the colder weather, I will most
    likely have to go to the mall and walk indoors. I can't bring myself to
    walk in this cold... I will also use Ultra-slimfast worked into my
    diet. This product really helps to purge the body at a comfortable
    rate. I will use Ultra-slimfast mostly for breakfast and lunch during
    the work week. I've done this for a couple of weeks and it seems to be
    helping me maintain and lose.
    
    So, YES I'm ready to try again.
    
    Bob
    

	Well, considering that my parents have scheduled a 
	family ski trip for February 10th, and that even my
	husbands ski pants won't fit me at this size, I've
	already started.

	I was gonna start anyway, but this gives me my first mini-goal.
	I think I need to lose about 8 pounds to fit into them.

	Karen

 I weighed in today and I'm a lb under where I was way back when (219)


 Well, anyway, I'm starting on a mission to lose ~30lbs.



 Jim

� I weighed in today and I'm a lb under where I was way back when (219)

Man, Jim, I really hate to cast doubt on your integrity, but were you 
*really* alive then????  I only just am now...

								&

 Wise guy...;-)

	serves you right, Jim!

	I'm also on mission to lose 30 pounds.

	My goal is June 6th, my 32nd birthday.  Then, Jamie can
	go out and buy me an entire new wardrobe to celebrate!!!

	I'd better tell him to start saving... I'm gonna needs lots
	and lots and lots of clothes!

	I found out this morning that our ski vacation has been moved
	out 1 week, which helps my mini-goal of fitting into some ski
	pants by then ;-)

	Karen

I'm continuing to focus on weight loss.  Over the year last year I achieved a
sustained loss of about 25 lbs.  I'm somewhat disturbed over my mindset over
the holidays, I couldn't seem to get a grip on reasonable eating.

I'm ready to focus in again, though explicit goal-setting doesn't seem to
help me all that much.  I'll start posting weights next week, and just try to
take off what I can.  I'd like to take off more than 25 this year.  I have
about 50-60 to go to be where I want to be.  I'd really like it if I could do
that in less than 2 years.

Did the weekly group posting really help anyone?  The plus/minus relative to
a goal loss seemed too confusing - it needed to be re-explained to everyone
who started reading this note.  Would a group posting of amount lost be
useful?  Or should we just stick with individual reports?

Paul

	Paul,

	I'd like a group posting of total lost to date, with maybe
	a column for goal, so that we can know when to congratulate!

	Karen