Conference yukon::christian_v7

 Last night I happened upon a program on CH44 (PBS in Boston) 
 called "Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory", an examination of
 evangelicalism in the US.  I only caught the last 15-20 minutes
 of the program (which was apparantly the second part of a 3
 part series), and I was quite impressed.  I didn't catch
 the name of the narrator, but it was obvious he was a Christian.
 The brief piece I saw seemed to be centering on youth (teenage).

 Has anyone else seen this?  I'm assuming the final installment will
 be shown next Monday night (in Boston on CH44).  I may order the
 3 tape series.




 Jim

 A few nights ago while watching television I came across an
 add promoting the "dynamics of difference".  In the background
 was a rap style song and various images depicted various differences
 were flashed on the screen..as I listened to the lyrics I caught the
 words "different Gods" with the corresponding visual image of a 
 statue of a buddha..the next lines were "different myths" and the
 visual image of a Bible with what appeared to be a cross on a necklace
 draped across it.  I imagine that, with enough of this ad driven into
 the brains of the youth of this country that they too will begin to 
 see the Word of God and the cross as a myth.

 After viewing what I described in .1, however, I still do have hope for
 the Word of God being active in the young people.




Jim

    Jim, I saw the first part of the 3 part series on Evangelicalism in
    America and wasn't quite as impresse��d as you.  The first seemed
    rather complacent about Christianity and focused on church that does
    drama to get the gospel across and the church is run as a corporation
    using corporate lingo.  The auditorium is also set up like a school
    auditorium or theatre.
    
    I didn't see the other two parts.. if you order Jim, let me know how
    and where you got the tapes, I'd be interested in completing the series
    to see if any *conclusions* are drawn.
    
    Nancy

 I'll think about it :-)



 

    Jim, you took my topic X58 number!!!!!  Now you're in for it��!!!

                    :-O

    This month's issue of Moody magazine has a column about an upcoming
    TV series on "Christy", a Christian-based story series adapted for TV. 
    It is being shot in Tennessee, and the director is Ken Wales, a
    committed Christian (I believe Ken was involved in a lot of the Billy
    Graham films).
    
    Bo

    
    Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman is a really wholesome show.  We watch it
    almost every week.  It was refeshing last week when several people were
    trapped in a mine and the pastor told the crowd "Let's pray" and they
    all did.  I recommend it for family viewing.
    
    jeff

They may very well be setting you up.  The show's been on a couple of
seasons, hasn't it?  It's about time for the sucker punch, then.

I've seen it a couple of times.  They create a basically wholesome show, and
let it stay on long enough in that wholesomeness to draw an audience, and to
get people respecting the characters and their judgement.  The characters are
mostly good, and when they make mistakes they'll recognize them for mistakes.
Then the writers will toss in an episode or two where those same characters
do things very wrong, and still think they're right.  It's a baldfaced ploy
at values modification.

An example a couple of years ago was Doogie Howser.  It was basically a
wholesome show, if somewhat benign and silly in principle.  Doogie tried to
do what was right, and after a year or two gathered people's respect.  The
show always ended with him writing in his computer diary, with the "moral" of
the show, which was nearly always a good lesson.  If my kids were older, it
would have been a show I'd have been happy to let them watch.

Then to open their third season, Doogie talked his girlfriend into sleeping
with him, and closed the show with his note in the diary reading something
like "There's just having sex and then there's making love, and we made love."

It makes me wary about letting my kids watch ANYTHING that the networks put
out.  Of course there are periodic exceptions, wholesome shows that stay
wholesome.  The Waltons, Little House on the Praire, to a lesser extent the
Cosby Show.  And they may not do it with Dr Quinn, since I think they're more
likely to do it with shows aimed directly at kids, like Doogie Howser was.

Pray that it stays wholesome, and yet keep your guard up.

Paul

Hi Paul, 

Difficult to be sure whether they're deliberately targetting to erode a
principle, or whether, because the management arena is not submitted to the
LORD, and hence liable to be blown around by every wind of doctrine (and
then some), it is bound eventually to present a scenario which the world -
facing away from God - is comfortable with, but which is grossly
anti-Christian at heart.   There are other forces at work there.  

The same sort of thing happens over here too.  Possibly more so.  I find
that even 'wholesome' shows here grate because they can't represent the
complete view.  There's no solid foundation or principles to any of them.
Company policy.  Too many people would be uncomfortable if they let the
LORD be shown...  It can't edify, because of what that would do to those 
who's hearts are antagonistic to the Holy Spirit.

Not that I 'never watch', but if I do, it usually leaves me with a 
disappointed heart...

							Andrew

        re .9

    I don't watch Dr. Quinn, but heard a blurb on the radio this morning. 

    Correct me if I am wrong, but the DJ mentioned that one of the programs
    had released the information that DR. Quinn was a virgin, and the
    announcer, maybe just guessing, mused "I wonder what the season finale
    will be."  I hope he is wrong, but we are talking ratings and money
    here.
    
	Sparky

    .11
    
    That would be rather impossible, I think, she has children... or are
    they adopted????
    
    Nancy

    adopted.

    The kids were adopted by her when a "deer friend" asked in her will
    that Dr. Quinn take care of the kids after her death. 
    
    My wife watches the show faithfully, each week. I watch occationally.
    It is a good show.!
    
    It's to mushy a show for my three kids (their words), so no reaction
    from them on show content, other than the mushy comment.
    
    By the way, the story takes place in colorado Springs and Dr. Quinn is
    originally from Boston.... So, maybe that's why it's such a good story
    for us.... We are originally from Boston and now live in Colorado
    Springs... 'course, I'm not a doctor though...
    
    I try to watch without reading between the lines.. I think it will
    remain wholesome.
    
    Bob
    

  Speaking of Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, did anyone that lives in the
  Colorado Springs area tape this show on January 22, 1994.

  I was supposed to tape it while we were gone, but the VCR didn't
  cooperate (long story) and now I'm in hot water.

  I can either tape it myself from your original or provide you a tape.
  I am even willing to pay a small reasonable amount.

  Thanks,

  Don Whiting Jr.
  Work (at customer site): 550-6230
  Home:  282-1667

    I believe that the series entitled, "Christy" is based on the book
    written by Catherine Marshall.  She was the wife of Rev. Peter
    Marshall, and she has written some wonderful books. There was a movie 
    entitled, A Man Called Peter, which was based on his life.  I saw it
    many years ago, and as I remember it was quite inspiring.
    
    Barbara
    

    
    The following information is taken from info provided to me by the
    INSP network.
    
    INSP - The Inspirational Network.
    
    INSP is a 24 hour a day cable network which currently serves more than
    750 cable systems across the country with a growing subscriber base of
    more than 8 million householdds.  The network targets the mllions of
    Americans who embrace traditional family values and Judeao-Christian
    principles.  INSP features familty-oriented movies, excluseive music,
    talk, children'sprograms and concert specials.
    INSP has a variety of exciting, original programming scheduled for
    1994.  The emphasis at INSP is on producing origianl family-oriented,
    entertaining programming.
    
    Now more than ever families across America are searching for more
    wholesome programming that embraces traditional family values.  They
    are looking for an entertainment alternative and INSP is where America
    can turn.
    
    INSP will air several music specials including "Al DEnson's Reason"
    concert from Houston, TX (Al Denson is a contemporary Christian
    musician.) As well as "Night of Joy" from Walt Disney, "Spring & FAll
    Jubilation" from Knott's Berry Farm,; children's programming such as
    "Kid's City USA".
    
    If your cable company does not carry INSP, call or write the General
    Managerand/or Marketing Manager of your local cable supplier.  In your
    note request that The Inspirational Network INSP be added.  Inform
    them you are current cable subscriber (assuming you are).  If you 
    aren't but would if they had INSP then tell them that.
    
    Be sure to express why the programming that INSP offers is important 
    to you.  DO not us a form letter, as they are often ignored.  Be polite
    and positive.
    
    Follow up your note with a phone call.  Confirm that they received the
    note, and send another copy, if they hadn't.  Ask, what actions they
    tend to take.
    
    INSP would like to receive a copy of the letter that is sent to the
    cable company, so they can do some followup with the cable company,
    as well.  (mail it to:  INSP, Affiliate Relations, 9700 Southern Pine
    Boulevard, Charlotte, NC 28273).
    
    Have your friends, relatives, and congregation call or write the local
    cable company, too.
    
    INSP thanks all those that take the time to voice support for their 
    channel.  They ask that you pray for God's favor upon INSP and that
    He would continue to open doors that allow His Word to reach a world in
    need.
    
    ----- End of INSP provided information ----------------------
    Below is a sample of a letter that I am going to send to my 
    local cable company.  ( I figured I'd throw in my request for ZTV
    while I was at it, I hope you would too.)
    
    

    
    						March 11, 1994
    						Lisa Lombardo
    						23 Wattaquadock Hill Road
    						Bolton, MA 01740-1242
    
    General Manager
    Continental Cablevision
    Clinton, MA 01510
    
    I am current cable subscriber and have been since 1988.  Recently,
    I have become aware of two cable networks that are of great interest 
    to me and many of my friends and family.  
    
    One is the Inspirational Network INSP that offers traditional family 
    value entertainment.  I am especially interested in the movies and 
    music/concert that they broadcast.  
    
    The other network is ZTV, which is a 24 hour contemporary Christian 
    music video channel.  I am great fan of music videos and contemporary
    Christian music, as are many people I know that are customers of 
    Continental Cablevision.
    
    I request that these networks be added to the bountiful array of 
    the current networks that your company supplies.
    
    Sincerely,
    
    
    
    Lisa Lombardo
    

 Sounds like a great idea!





 Jim

    This looks like the place to discuss the many TV preachers, that we
    invite into our houses, (and minds) by turning the channel from that
    which we feel we should not watch, to that which we think we should be
    watching. But, not all of these preachers are teaching the truth, some
    teaching what we want to hear, not what we need to hear. So in the
    desire to discern between good, and evil (that might look good, sound
    good, taste good, but is cleverly disguised), let's look at them under
    the microscope.
    
    Not wishing to be judgemental (it's not MY place!), but in light of
    1st Corinthians 2:15, where we are exhorted to examine all things, in
    light of God's Word, let's discuss them, and their teachings, if none 
    object?
    
    Some that come to mind are...
    
    Frederick K. Price, Kenneth & Gloria Copeland, Oral Roberts, Jimmy
    Swaggert, Richard Roberts, Paul & Jan Crouch (TBN) Pat Robertson,
    Charles Stanley, and many more that I can't currently remeber their
    names.
    
    Please keep in mind we're not here to condemn anyone, and if in the
    light, they are proven to be off the mark, we'll just have to pray for
    them a little harder than the others.
    
    In His Love,
    
    Bob

    Bob, check out the "Faith Movement" topic.

Thank you, I most certainly will. Mods, please feel free to delete these,
if you should be moved to to such.

Much thanks, and God bless!

Bob

  I occasionally will watch the 700 club, mainly because I like watching the
  view of the news they present (this week they had an interview with Rick
  Wakeman formerly of Yes).  I like to watch the Coral GAbles Hour with D.
  James Kennedy, and I *never* miss Charles Stanley, even if I have to tape
  him and watch him later (I also like his son, Andy).




  Jim

    Hi Jim!
    
    I saw Rich Wakeman on the 700 club this week. Awesome to think, God
    reached my favorite keyboard player of all time. He did a very nice job
    on "Morning has broken", and his testimony was powerful. I have also
    been spiritually educated by Charles Stanley, and Dr Kennedy. There are
    the obviously anointed men of God, preaching the truth, without a twist.
    
    May God reach those who, whether intentionally, or unintentionally
    teach false doctrine, as it His desire that none should perish. And
    those who hear them, may the Holy Spirit help them discern, and act
    upon the truth, as He has promised to lead us into ALL truth.
    
    There is still much going on, that continues to show me praying without
    ceasing (well, as much as God enables me to) is still in order. Has
    anyone been moved by God for an organized "prayer-a-thon" of a set
    time, with a set of God given "things" to pray for? Just wondering,
    as I believe such prayers (in unity) would "move" God to do wonderous
    things, in this world, which needs God to do wonderous things, before
    He doeth the "terrible" things.
    
    In His love, cause there is no better place to be!
    
    Bob 

    The only T.V. preachers that I like  listening to are;
    Billy Graham and David Ring. Other than them I only listen 
    to EWTN(Eternal Word Network) with Mother Angelica and all 
    of EWTN's gifted priest and theologians.

    BTW, David Ring doesn't have his own show, but I saw him on Jerry
    Farwell. David Ring has cerebral palsy and being that my son does
    also, I'm in tears when ever I hear David Ring preach.

    Jim

    
    Jim,
    
    I too have seen David Ring speak as a guest speaker on a couple
    regular preaching shows on TV.  I really enjoyed and got a lot
    out of David's preaching.  He doesn't talk at you, but to you,
    and I like his style.
    
    I ordered a videotape of 8 of his sermons to have a friend play at
    a nursing home that he regularly holds Bible Studies at.  There is
    one lady that this friend brings to church from the nursing home.
    She has cerebal palsy.  I thought she would like to see David Ring.
    
    #24

    Having trouble weaning your kids off MTV?  How about a Christian
    version...I read this past week that there is a CCM video program on
    the FAM channel at midnight on Saturday nights.  I plan to tape a few
    hours for some of our youth "parties".  Check your local listings...
    
    I haven't seen it yet, so this is not an endorsement.
    
    -sandy
    

    
    We have 3 Christian channels here in Colo Spgs.  I believe each
    has Christian videos at some point in the day.  I watch with my
    son every once in a while.  I like most of the videos of the
    popular contemporary artists but I must admit that some of the
    Hard Rock Christian groups are beyond me.  If I didn't listen to
    the words and understand what they were talking about I wouldn't
    know they were Christian based at all due to the dark images of the
    video.  But I think the ones on the FAM channel are more of the
    contemporary type.  
    
    Taping them for youth 'parties' is a terrific idea!  Good luck
    
    Pam

    
    I would suggest to people having trouble weaning their children off MTV
    to try a different tactic - go cold turkey!
    
    MTV is mostly gross immorality.  Children should be prohibited from
    watching it at any time.
    
    jeff

    
>    MTV is mostly gross immorality.  Children should be prohibited from
>    watching it at any time.
    
 
 AMEN...I happened across it accidentally a couple nights ago and I was
 amazed at the stuff they were spewing out of there..and there are kids 
 who watch that stuff all day long..



 Jim

    
    Our family's solution (my son is only 7 but was becoming seemingly
    addicted to all sorts of cartoons and slipping a little MTV on the
    side when noone was in the room) was to get rid of cable all
    together.
    
    It worked for us!
    
    Pam

>    Our family's solution...was to get rid of cable all together.
    
    I think I hear my cue.... :-)
    
    Pam,
    
    I would say you stopped just one step short of the best solution. :-)
    
    Mark L.

    I agree...haven't gotten up the courage to tell my husband to
    turn the tv off for good.
    
    Actually I must admit that I watch it too much too 8*(  a lot
    less now though since I started working.  I like to go home
    to a nice quiet house with none of the noise-clutter of the
    tv
    
    Pam

    I heard something a month or so ago of a petition drive to get MTV
    moved to "Premium Channel" status, where it would have to be requested
    specifically by the subscriber, as opposed to being in the basic
    services package.  
    
    Anybody else hear that?  Anybody got an update?  Sure sounds like a
    move in the right direction to me.  
    
    /John

    We addressed TV a few years ago.  We have never had cable, we get 3
    networks, pbs, 4 independants (is fox a network?) 2 christian, 3
    spanish and one chinese station off of attic antenna.
    
    We have a family meeting to decide what we will watch.  We go through
    the listings, and specifically identify the programs we will possibly
    watch.  No reruns we have seen, and all must be approved by me.
    
    The TV is only on when a show marked is showing.  It is amazing how
    much more we get done, many times the TV was on, and people watching,
    but not really interested.
    
    Our standard list is 
    
    Mon - Daves World & Northern Exposure
    Tue - Nothing
    Wed - Home Improvment - recorded on VCR watched after church
    Thu - Mystery on PBS
    Fri - Nothing
    Sat - Davy & Goliath, Superbook
    Sun - TV is off... If good movie or something it is recorded on VCR
    
    We get along much better with a schedule marked down.
    
    I also heard about the petition on MTV but haven't got an update

    Can't help myself.... :-)
    
    Our standard (TV) list is :
    
    Mon - Nothing
    Tue - Nothing
    Wed - Nothing
    Thu - Nothing
    Fri - Nothing
    Sat - Nothing
    Sun - Nothing
    
    Mark L.

    Two years ago my Pastor asked the congregation to go for the month of
    September without turning on the TV.  I did it... and I have video
    raised kids [not TV programming], so there was no videos during that
    timeframe.
    
    I found that the TV is a time hole... we accomplished so much more as a
    family and grew closer as a result of that box being turned off!
    
    Now, I can honestly tell you that the TV or VCR is not turned on 6 days
    a week.  On one night typically a Friday, if nothing else is planned,
    we'll watch it.  This is at *my* home.
    
    However, at their fathers its on ALL the time.. really fries my
    potatoes... but its HIS house. :-(

    ....one more item to add to the 'just turn the tube off!' campaign
    derailing this note....
    
    ....I've read that the human body burns even less calories per hour
    than *sleeping*.  Essentially, your body acts as though it's
    hibernating.  Yuck.
    
    -greta

 Ah...I was waiting to see if anybody else mentioned Seinfeld before I
 did :-)


 The only things I really care to watch on TV are:  In Touch (Charles Stanley)
 The Coral Ridge Hour (D. James Kennedy) occasionally the 700 club, COPS (which
 I watch with decreasing regularity) and, uh, Seinfeld.  



 Jim

    re: no tv
    
    I had been thinking about 'testing' us on this for a while.....
    last week we said "o.k. - no tv for 1 week" (it was harder than
    I thought) we lasted from Sunday night - Thursday night, then 
    we caved in :-(
    
    I know tv, for me, is a time-waster.  I couldn't believe the things 
    I accomplished in those few days not having the tv on.
    The things I really enjoyed were catching up on reading and
    re-starting the Scrabble competition :-)
    
    I could hear the quiet in the house.  I thought "how sad it is that 
    this is a foreign sound to me."
    
    K
    

    can we put this in a tv note?
    
    my self censors are acting up... 
    :-)
    don't know how a description of various tv habits of people is an event
    of interest...
    :-)
    :-)
    :-)

    
    We, as a family, watch hardly anything regularly.  Graham watches Young
    Riders almost every night (on Family Channel - a good show).  Graham
    and I watch Brisco County Jr. together sometimes.  Elaine and I watch
    The McLaughlin Group when we have a chance.  Lately, Lois and Clark has
    been getting some attention from Graham and Elaine.  That's it.
    
    jeff

 When time permits I (or perhaps one of the other mods) will move this
 discussion to the television topic.





 Jim Co-Mod who is off to a meeting

    Television topic?  We have one? :-) :-) :-)

	Sunday -   Sportsbeat -10:30 pm
	Monday -   Murphy Brown/Matlock
	Tuesday-   Rosanne/Dateline
	Wednesday- Law & Order OR Matlock
	Thursday - Simpsons/Wings/Seinfeld/Frasier/LA Law OR Matlock
	Friday -   NOTHING
	Saturday - NOTHING


	Of course all shows are depending on if I am home. 



Glen

RE:    <<< Note 358.43 by JULIET::MORALES_NA "Sweet Spirit's Gentle Breeze" >>>
                               -< Where is it? >-

   > Television topic?  We have one? :-) :-) :-)



   Why its right here!


 Jim

    ahh...  Thanks Jim!
    
    now I can say that I only watch cartoons on Sat mornings when I have
    nothing going on...
    I'd watch some football during the season, but not much...
    I also watch my Urbana tapes, tho... :-)
    There is the problem that where I work out, they have tv's in the
    treadmill/bicycle room, and so I am reminded of how much I don't like
    much of what's on...
    
    I did watch Brisco County Jr, when I was home and remembered, but then
    I heard an ad on the radio for it that said that a female
    character was going to be missing her clothing, which had the opposite
    of the intended effect - I quit watching it.

 I used to like to get up on Saturday mornings and watch cooking shows
on PBS..but since Justin Wilson isn't on anymore I quit :-(



Jim

    re: .48
    
    Justin Wilson was my favorite, good food, good comedy and always fun!
    
    My schedule, time permitting, etc.:
    
    	o Monday: Sports
    	o Tuesday: Sports
    	o Wednesday: Sports
    	o Thursday: Sports
    	o Friday: Sports
    	o Saturday: Sports
    	o Sunday: Sports
    
    I subscribe to the well rounded theory, sports on any or all days of
    the week.  Honestly, I like the cooking shows and building shows, like
    Bob Villa.  When I need something else, Nick at Night has "Dick Van
    Dyke" and "Mary Tyler Moore".
    

RE:                     <<< Note 358.49 by SIERAS::MCCLUSKY >>>
                         -< When are the Dodgers on? >-

       
   > Justin Wilson was my favorite, good food, good comedy and always fun!
    
     I garontee!



    Jim

    I must admit that I could not make it through the month of March
    without the TV...March Madness and all...  8^)
    
    Go Arkansas!!

    Go Away Arkansas!! :-) :-)

    "Our Kansas" is actually spelled "Arizona".  But the really good games
    are for 65th place - NIT and it's ,"go Dogs", Fresburg State uber
    alles! 

I have problems watching TV - I read during the commercials, and sometimes 
forget to stop reading & start watching, so I often miss bits.

Chele

 The Family Channel is running "Jesus of Nazareth" for 4 nights beginning
 tonight, 8-10PM EST.



Jim

    re:55
    Thanks for posting that !

    My video will programmed !

    Jim

 Mine too!  (if I can remember to do so!)





Jim

    I plan on listening to  "THE LIFE" by Michael Card...
    
    

    I like Micheal W. Smith's new (well, it's not real new) CD...
    

    Re: Note 358.59 by CSOA1::LEECH
    
>   I like Micheal W. Smith's new (well, it's not real new) CD...
    
    What is the title and publisher?

    re: .60
    
    I'll have to get back to you...I can't remember off hand who
    publishes it, or even the title (I have a mind like a steel trap, I
    do...a rusty one).  I even listened to it last night.
    
    -steve 

    
    Let's see ...
    
    Michael W Smith Discography from memory.. (I think all on Reunion
    Records.)
    
    Michael W Smith
    Project 2
    The Big Picture
    The Live Set
    Christmas Album
    I 2 eye
    Go West Young Man  
    Change Your World  
    The Last 10 Years  
                   

  It was so powerful watching Jesus of Nazareth on TV last night, as the
 man portraying Jesus, hanging on the cross, said "It is accomplished"..
 



 Jim

    RE:63

    I agree ! I use to focus on the physical suffering of Christ when I
    watched that movie. Last evening, I was focused on his spiritual
    suffering. His agony of rejection and his sorrow for those he came 
    to save. 

    Too bad the movie isn't politically correct for the three
    networks to show. Only people with cable could watch it.


     Jim

    What is non-PC about "Jesus of Nazareth"?  is is the fact nobody wants
    to recognize Christ as Lord and the only way to God?

 Probably fear a ratings problem, and screams for equal time.




 Jim

    
    Who watched Christy last night?  It was excellent I thought.  Six
    episodes have been created and will run at 8 pm on Thursday nights (the
    old Walton's slot) on CBS.
    
    Please, if you are inclined to watch television occassionally, watch
    this show so that it will be extended and a message will be sent to the
    industry that these types of shows are viable.  If you are inclined to
    complain about the content of most tv shows, you have a double duty to
    watch!
    
    jeff

 I didn't watch it, but wish I did now...I got home late from church and
 clicked around to see if anything any good was on (missed Christy) and
 found nothing so turned it off...



 I'll check it out Thurs.



Jim

    I thought it was such a good show; however, I missed the last 15
    minutes.  Can anyone give a synopsis of what happened?  And I, too,
    hope it stays on the air.
    
    B

    
    Last fifteen minutes...let's see...Lundy and his dad started a fire in
    the church/schoolhouse...Christy suffered minor injuries trying to put
    out the fire...Christy decides that her presence and activities have
    caused serious problems and that she probably isn't cut out for such
    work...In the morning, she is sneaking off but must stop by the
    schoolhouse one more time...while there remembering the special moments
    with each child she decides the last thing she'll do is tear off her
    pretty buttons and sew them onto the mute girl's tattered coat. She
    does so and then looks up and several of her students are there
    including the mute girl (I never could get her name - Monty?).  The
    mute girl sits in her lap and looks at her coat and says "buttons". 
    Then a child asks if she's leaving and she says "no".
    
    I think that was the end.
    
    Great show.

    I watched the show... Thought it was great... My wife was also
    watched...
    
    Let's see... the last 15 minutes...
    
    The school/church was burned... Christy begins to leave.. Stays long
    enough to sew buttons onto the little girl's coat.. As she finishes the
    coat, the little girl walks in, starts to talk... The other children
    ask Christy if she's leaving.... After a long, dramatic pause, she says
    no.... she's staying... Leaving the door open for the oncoming shows.
    
    Again, very good show!
    
    What is the eye opener here is... there are *really* places like that,
    still in this country.... We, as a country, should be ashamed of our
    selves....
    
    Stepping off the soapbox now... Sorry!
    
    Bob
    

    Thank you for those fill-ins.  I am looking forward to Thursday's show.
    I hope that anyone who didn't watch it Sunday will make an effort to
    see Thursdays show.  Catherine Marshall was a wonderful writer and so
    inspiring.
    
    Barbara
    

    
    Well, there's not too many places like it...with welfare and all.
    
    The story is set in "Cutter(s?) Gap", Tennessee, 1912.  It was filmed in
    Townsend, TN which is very close to Gatlinburg.  I grew up about 40
    miles from Townsend.  That is Appalachia.  My life was nothing like
    theirs, materially.  But I'm certain that some of my ancestors did in
    fact probably live like that.  But that's an aside.  It is not the
    people's poverty that is compelling in this show - but their faith and
    the faith of those who ministered to them.
    
    jeff

    What a wonderful show! I've been a big fan of "Christy" since I first
    discovered it back in 1990.  I wished that the book would keep on
    going, I so enjoyed the characters.
    
    I saw that they took many scenes straight from the book -- dialogue
    right out of it -- which was very refreshing.  There were a few
    liberties which I assumed made it easier to translate into a series,
    but nothing substantial.
    
    The little girl's name is Mountie.
    
    Please please please...those of you who saw this show last night and
    enjoyed it....let your voice be heard!  Call and or write CBS to let
    them know that you would like to see these quality kind of shows
    continue.  I'm not sure of the address to write, but you could call
    your local affiliate.
    
    -greta

For anyone interested, a recent issue of "Guideposts" had an article
about the acquisition of film rights for Christy.  December or later.

It was interesting also.

Lew

    re: 74
    
    By all means, call, write, fax and Email both CBS and the local
    networks.  Also, note who sponsors the show and partonize their
    products/services.  Write the sponsors and tell then that you
    appreciate their role in the production of wholsome family
    entertainment.  
    
    I missed Christy too, but this week the VCR will be programmed!
    
    -Rick

    I knew I would have to miss Christy becasue of travelling, so I bought
    the book.  I plan to watch this week, but if anyone is inclined to give
    an outline of what has already happened I would aprpeciate it.  I am
    now up to the part where the school was destroyed (in the book) and
    although the button business happened earlier in the book, I'm not sure
    who did the school vandalizing (until after I read this, of course).
    
    -sandy
    

         For those in the UK:
         
         A new series of Summer Sunday starts again this coming Sunday on 
         BBC1 at 9.15am through to 10.00.
         
         Previous series IMHO have been excellent with speakers such as 
         Rob Parsons of Care Trust, and Adrian Plass, amongst others. 
         
         The music too has been of a extremely high standard (although in 
         the worship band class! :-) - take note, Ben).
         
         I would be interested to hear what others make of it as the series 
         progresses.
         
         Paul

 In the US of A, ABC TV is airing "In the Name of God" a "report" on 
 the "search for God" in the US.  This should be interesting.




 Jim

    Does it air tonight?

 Yes

    I missed it...NCAA hoops took precedent.  8^)

  This is National (not sure if it's official) leave your TV off week.  I know
 there are many in here who don't have one, but is anybody who does have one
 going to observe it?  I'm thinking about it, but tonight looks like a good
 night on The Discovery Channel :-/









 Jim

    Won't be observing it ourselves.  We only watch a few things and watch
    them deliberately.  There's hardly any accidental viewing at our house.
    
    jeff

    Same with me.  We only watch a few programs, and won't be turning off
    the tube completly this week.
    
    
    dlh

 I'll confess that lately I've allowed mine to be on too much.  I think I'm
 suffering from information overload on the OKC thing as well..





Jim

    Hmmm, wonder how difficult it would be to obtain television advertising
    for "leave your TV off week"... ;-)
    
    (I haven't got one!)
    
    James

    Hmm,

	interesting point - must ask Kerry next time I see him :'D

	Last week I clocked up exactly 1.25 hrs of TV - the .25 being the
	first half of the newsreport the evening of OK City (I was too
	stunned to weep).

	The other hour covered Home Improvements, and a 1/2 hr show on
	(believe it or not) TV ads. (Yes, I know, degenerate)

	Harry

We'll be coming up soon on putting it away for the summer.....

 I left mine off last night (except for a brief foray into the news..won't
 make that mistake again), and wound up getting quite a bit accomplished..
 A great time of prayer and study, and some fixit stuff around my apt.




 Jim

	I'm at home now, sippin coffee, watching Bewitched. :-)

	In the spirit of no-TV week, I too spent the time
	after dinner ( a late one after aerobics) showering, reading,
	and praying.  It was great to put the quiet time first, with
	no regard for time (I often leave prayer until last, at which
	point I'm tired and watching the clock for bed time).

	I did put the TV on just before bed, to help me fall asleep.

	But I ended up with 1/2 hour of TV vs. 2 hours, and felt
	more refreshed because of it.

	Karen

 I enjoyed not having the thing on.  I did want to watch the news, but right
 before I turned it on, I was listening to some classical music and *really*
 didn't want to turn it off.  But, my natural curiosity about what's going
 on won out and I turned on the tube.


 I also managed to hang up a couple of bulletin boards in my kitchen, on which
 I put pictures of 6 or 7 of the missionaries we support, which will serve
 to remind me to pray for them each morning at breakfast.




 Jim

	Hey, you can have a prayer breakfast with Tasha, snap,
	crackle, and pop!

	;-)

  :-)

    Turn off the tube week?  Oops.
    
    If I'd known, I might've left the tube off, though this would be
    difficult since I recently bought a 31" Mitsubishi for my home
    entertainment set up.  8^)
    
    Needless to say, I've been watching a bit more than I did previous to
    this purchase (I imagine the novelty will wear off fairly soon).  8^)
    
    -steve

| <<< Note 358.96 by CSOA1::LEECH >>>



| Needless to say, I've been watching a bit more than I did previous to
| this purchase (I imagine the novelty will wear off fairly soon).  8^)

	Now that March Madness is over, I could see you doing this... :-)

    But baseball is back!  Its time to watch the Braves.
    
    Bing

 the what?

 Turn off your TV snarf!

    Baseball snarf!

    Jim-Bob!!!!

 Sorry Pam-Bob!

    8*)
    

    re: .97
    
    Yes indeed, Glen.  I've already cut back tremendously since the
    conclusion of the NCAA tourney.   8^)
    
    
    -steve

I've put my TV in the basement and I couldn't be happier. I do have a hard time
relating to TV questions at work etc., but all in all it has been a much
healthier life for me without it. 

Steve

 I am a member of the American Family Association and each month receive
 the AFA Journal.  On a regular basis they have a section where they do
 "capsule" reports on various television programs and discuss the "plots"
 and content.  I was reading the latest issue last night and I was struck
 at just how much garbage there is on the tube.  Now, many of the programs
 they mention, I've never seen, or just seen brief clips of them.  But one
 can see just how much of a mess this country is in, if this is what we 
 choose for "entertainment".  Christians, or anyone having any sense of
 moral values, are depicted as wierd, anitquated, primitive, or foolish,
 pastors (or priests) are depicted as crooks.  I won't even get into the
 sexual content that was discussed.

 And, yes, they do post reviews of shows with "positive" views of Christianity
 or moral values, however the availability of such programming is extremely
 rare.


 I noticed somewhere that there is a new "Rockford Files" movie next week.
 The "plot"?  A crooked TV Evangelist of course.


 My TV is going to be on even less than it has this week.

 Jim

    Apparently "Christy" has been given a last chance.  Does anyone have
    the address of CBS studios so I can write to them?
    
    Pam

 I don't have their address here, but it is in the AFA Journal I have
 at home.





 It (Christy) is one of the 3 programs that received positive reviews.


 AFA also had some rather shocking things to say about a large studio (whose
 name I won't mention), whose founder is likely rolling in his grave (were
 such a thing possible).



 Jim

How many Christians are there in the movie writing or directing business, 
or in the television side of entertainment?  I would conjecture that it is 
very few.  We have real life for the living.  However, that does leave the 
authors severely handicapped if they want to present an authentic picture,
because they are unable to comprehend the motivation, source or depth of
the Christian's life.  Hence they can only easily portray a very warped and
inaccurate picture, which they presumably prefer for a ready sale, as well
as the conditioning of society.  Sadly the world often falls back on this
caricature, because they can more easily relate to it than to the real thing. 

It's only when the world of entertainment has been drained to its bitter
dregs without quenching the thirst for reality, that the world worn and
weary realise that they have invested all the resources they have for
eternity in a plastic imitation, and the gloss is already wearing off, in 
time....

							Andrew

    I saw a show last week called "Amazing Grace" that I was surprised the
    networks put on.  It was about a female Protestant minister, played by
    Patty Duke.  I enjoyed it too.
    
    Mike

	Tv has it's good points and it's bad points. A lot of what tv does is
based on what has happened in the past or present. You have people who are
crooked in every profession, including the church. To bring out what has
happened may not be what some Christians want to hear, but I would prefer that
instead of hiding everything away. If they bring something out that hasn't
happened, complain. Otherwise, your complaints are useless as they have no
reality base to them.

	And I know many will go that all they do is depict the negative part.
Well, if that were true then shows like Christie, that NEW Pattie Duke show, the
lighthearted comedy Father Dowling, Highway to Heaven, etc, never would have
come into existance. A lot of those shows do happen because people will write
in voicing their concerns. They sometimes stay on because people write in and
ask them to keep it on. If you want it, do something other than complain to get
it. (and that last sentence was geared towards those who will complain, but do
nothing to make any changes)



Glen

    
    Read very recently that the man who used to represent Christiandom to
    the tv producers (can't remember his name - Ted something) reports that
    three to five years ago there were 0 identifiably Christian tv
    producers making films for the mass market.  Now there are 21, I think,
    who are very successful (Home Improvement, Saved By the Bell and some
    others).  This is *very* encouraging to me.
    
    Also, he believed that Peretti's "This Present Darkness" will be made
    into a high-budget, expertly directed film maintaining the plot and
    Christian content, within the next two years or so.
    
    jeff

 Encouraging indeed, Jeff.





 Jim

Hi Glen,

From what I've heard, I'm pretty sure television programming is
significantly different in the States from the UK.  There is not much 
entertainment value in UK television for a Christian.

It's not a matter of concealing or being open about faults in church 
figures.  It's rather a matter that true Christianity is not newsworthy in 
the world's understanding.

When I see someone moved by the Holy Spirit, it touches my heart with joy 
too.  But I would not appreciate seeing such a thing published on 
television, because it is a private, intimate matter, between the
individual and the LORD.  Not for the public gaze.  The fact that I can see
this in a meeting, is because I am a part of the same experience, nothing
before the LORD, which lets His all be displayed for His glory, and not man's. 

For the world to see this is to cheapen it.  For the world to see this
_acted_ is to falsify it.  It just doesn't work.  Pretty much all that's
left for them to portray is the excesses and extremes, the faults and the
failures - which magnifies a tiny minority out of proportion. It
misrepresents the church as a whole, leaving an impression of flimsy
insincerity in people's minds.

It's obvious that there are Christians who fall badly.  The very fact that
this is recognised as falling from Christian principles should underline to
the world that the fall itself is not Christianity, and they must look
deeper to find it.  

We're not talking about a cover up - but it's the individuals who have to
answer for their failure, not God.  What (Who) we want people - including 
us - to see, is God.  Not us.  Anyone can see 'us' straight off, but it 
takes more perception to see the LORD in us ;-)


							Andrew

    
re:         <<< Note 358.113 by USAT05::BENSON "Eternal Weltanschauung" >>>
    
    	Jeff,
    
    	some encouraging stuff there.
    
    re: TPD as a film - wow! But I wonder what the likely-hood of the
    sequel "Piercing The Darkness" (re: New Age stuff) or "Prophet" (re:
    'the "A" word') ever hitting the screens. :'D
    
    If either of those were proposed, I could see the excrement hitting the
    air-movement-device in no uncertain terms!
    
    As for TV - well, I've seen 1 hr this week - the rest of the time has
    been a steady diet of 2nd Chapter of Acts, 4HIM, Young Messiah, Our God
    Reigns, Phil Keggy, Don Francisco, Michael Card, Amy Grant, Larry
    Norman, Randy Stonehill... ah - THANK YOU LORD!!!

    I really liked Christie, I hope they decide to keep it.  If anyone gets
    the address to ABC, please post it, I'd like to write a letter in
    support of this show.
    
    -steve

	Steve, I could be wrong, but I had thought Christie was on CBS.

	If you want to write to CBS about "Christy" or "Touched by an
Angel", here is what looks like a good address from Focus on the Family's
Citizen magazine:

	Peter Tortorici, President
	CBS Entertainment
	7800 Beverly Blvd.
	Los Angeles CA  90036

    thanks bob!

 I noticed last night we now have on our cable system something called "The
 Worship Channel". I watched off and on for a while.  They have a brief
 devotional, then play various choruses and hymns while showing some scenery
 from around the country.  At the top of each hour (and perhaps more frequently)
 they run a statement of their beliefs and from what I read they are believers
 in inerrancy, salvation through Christ, etc.  They also run a phone number one
 can call for support.




 Jim

    Have any of you seen a program on Saturday evenings called "Touched by
    an Angel"?  It is on CBS at 8:00 PM (Mountain time zone).  We watched
    it on Saturday and I have seen it one or two other times and Cathey has
    seen it a couple more times.

    It is sort of a re-make of Highway to Heaven with Michael Landon only
    they are doing a much better job.  For example, on Highway to Heaven,
    Landon would be talking to someone about God and all he would do is say
    something like...  "you know," with his eyes sort of directed upward.
    In this show there is no ambiguity.  They simply state God, or the
    Father and even some Scripture verses once in a while.

    Anyway, the story is, as I said, like Highway to Heaven, but this time
    there are two women, one older woman and a younger woman with an Irish
    accent.  As in HtH they are sent to help people find their way to God
    and to get their life straightened out (my interpretation).  In this
    week's show, there was a young single mother who is trying to save
    money to pay for an operation for her daughter who has a deformed lip
    from birth.  To earn the money she was dancing at strip joints,
    prostituting, etc.  In a scene near the end, the girl is telling the
    younger angel that God caused her daughter to be this way because He is
    punishing her for her lifestyle before the birth of her daughter
    (drinking, drugs, etc.).  She is angry at God and "knows" that God
    cannot forgive her for the things she is doing now.  The angel tells
    her that there is no sin too big that God cannot forgive and that she
    needs to get down on her knees and ask for that forgiveness.

    Anyway, I have been pretty impressed with the shows that I have seen so
    far.  Better than most of the garbage that is on television.

    Ron

	I've seen that show a couple of times. It is really good. She helps
humans, but without a human sidekick. Isn't Della Reese in that too? 


Glen

    Too bad female angels aren't Biblical.

Neither are they anti-biblical.

There are only a few biblical examples of personified angels.  They happen to
be male, or at least to have male names. That says nothing about the
existence of 'female' angels.

Paul

    
    I love the show.  Its a different sight you dont see on tv.  A couple
    of weeks ago the episode was a young man who lost his wife and became
    homeless.  Her job was to show him that God still loves him no matter
    what.  Anyway they fought thur the entire show and at the end she said
    that she must do this.  She leaned down and all the sudden a bowl of
    water appeared and she actually did a foot washing on live tv.  I
    thought that was amazing. She said I forgive just as God has already
    forgiven you.  I was very impressed with the show.  My four year old
    loves it and I find this is one out of a few shows I accept him to
    watch. 

| <<< Note 358.124 by OUTSRC::HEISER "watchman on the wall" >>>


| Too bad female angels aren't Biblical.

	I thought angels were genderless?

    Angels have been portrayed as males in the Bible.  I've not read an
    account of female angels i.e., the angels who found the women on earth
    as fair and desired them sexually.

It's true, Nancy, (and Mike) that all portrayals of angels in the Bible are
males, but that doesn't mean that there aren't female angels.  An "argument
from silence" is never enough to prove something - just because Scripture is
silent about something does not mean that it didn't happen.

As far as I know, there is nothing anywhere in the Bible that says that all
angels are 'male'.  So as far as I'm concerned, 'female' angels are perfectly
legit.

I still don't really know that the concepts 'male' and 'female' can be
appropriately applied to angels, anyway.

Paul

    No argument from me Paul... :-)  Just looking at it from what's been
    written.  I wonder why you would think that the angels mentioned had
    been genderless though... because it certanly does mention in the
    Bible, angels desiring the daughters of men.

> it certanly does mention in the
 >   Bible, angels desiring the daughters of men.

Hmm. True.  It does, doesn't it?  So I guess *some* are male, anyway.

Paul

    The angels in this show don't have wings and look like humans.
    Can a male angel take the form of a female human?

>There are only a few biblical examples of personified angels.  They happen to
>be male, or at least to have male names. That says nothing about the
>existence of 'female' angels.
    
    Only if you "read into" God's Word.  Proverbs 30:5-6 says a few things
    about that.
    
    Mike

Prov 30:5-6

Every Word of God is tested;
  He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
  Lest He reprove you, and you be proved a liar.

Who is adding to His words, Mike?

I believe that any argument from silence adds to His words.

The Word of God does give examples of male angels.  That is the truth.  But
no number of such examples creates a declaration that there is no such thing
as female angels.  The Word of God nowhere says that there are NOT any female
angels.  That is also the truth.  Therefore *we* cannot say that there are no
female angels, without adding to the Word of God a concept that isn't there.

I'm not saying there are female angels.  I don't know whether there are or
not.  The Bible doesn't say one way or the other, so I don't either.  But
when you make the claim that there are not - a claim made nowhere in the
Bible - you are the one who is adding to His words.

This is not said with any heat.  But I deliberately didn't soften the
phrasing.  I know and respect how concerned you are, Mike, with not adding to
God's Word.  So I'm pointing out, not with any anger but with utter
seriousness, that I think you're doing exactly that.

Paul

>    The angels in this show don't have wings and look like humans.

Well, Hebrews 13:2 says that "some have entertained angels unawares",
so they obviously don't all have wings all the time.

/john

 Thanks, John...I was trying to think of that verse.  I've heard some
 testimonies from folks that speaks to that verse, and how they feel
 they were visited by angels from the Lord.



 Ji

Job 38:7  
    When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for
 joy?
    
    This verse and others say that the "sons of God" were witnesses to
    creation.
    
    Mike

Yes, so?

/john

    doesn't say "daughters of God"

    Yeah, well, if that's how you want to interpret it then the pretty much
    the entirety of the Bible is for men only.  Therefore, us women can
    live life as we please and not worry about salvation, consecration,
    etc.
    
    Nancy

    At the risk of fanning the flames of the male/female angel debate,
    although the Word always refers to them in the masculine gender (when a
    gender is used), the fact is that angels are spirit beings, so I don't
    think it's accurate to say that they are male or female. Hebrews 1:14
    is quite clear that they're spirits, so I think the best we can do is
    affirm that they are (genderless) spirits whose only records of
    gendered manifestation have been as males.
    
    	BD�

	Nancy, looks like you will be stiring some trouble now that you're off
the hook!!!! :-)

	Barry....great note. 


Glen

More examples of references to 'male' angels doesn't eliminate the silence
about 'female' angels, Mike.

The Bible is clear that there are 'male' angels.

The Bible is *silent* on whether there are 'female' angels.

Could you address that silence, please?

Paul

>    Yeah, well, if that's how you want to interpret it then the pretty much
>    the entirety of the Bible is for men only.  Therefore, us women can
>    live life as we please and not worry about salvation, consecration,
>    etc.
    
    Nancy, you know that isn't even close to being true.  There are many
    great women in the Bible (Sarah, Rebekah, Ruth, Esther, Martha, Miriam,
    Phoebe, etc.) who are not only role models, but show the importance of
    women in G-d's kingdom.
    
    Mike

    Mike,
    
    They were just pawns to be used as examples.  Godliness in women must
    not be necessary or else God wouldn't have written the Bible entirely
    in a masculine form.  
    
    Look at the book of Proverbs...
    
    I say this very sarcastically because I know that when the Bible refers
    to he/him/or sons of God, He's using it all inclusive most of the time
    of both male and female.
    
    But to say that angels CANNOT be female.... /me thinks it's a stretch.
    
    Nancy
    

    
    	I love the show "Touched by an Angel".   Last month
    	when a friend came by for dinner, we all watched the show
    	together.  That particular episode had some very strong
    	biblical principles, and Jamie and I were glad our friend
    	was there to watch it with us.  It's the one TV show we
    	try not to miss.
    
    	Karen