Conference yukon::christian_v7

    
    Re.28
    
    Ray,
    
    You may be interested in reading, "The Tibetan Book Of Living And
    Dying", by Sogyal Rinpoche, and also "Ageless Body, Timeless Mind", by
    Dr. Deepak Chopra, or any of his books for that matter.  Louise Hay, as 
    you mentioned, is also quite good.
    
    There are *many* viable alternatives to Western allopathic medicine...
    For more suggestions, contact me offline if you like.
    
    Cindy

    
    Re.31
    
    Well, like your sister whom you tried to get into a peer support group,
    but she never followed up...I cannot do any more than recommend to
    you either.  I'm familiar with ACIM, and the books I mentioned are not
    even related to this.  However, you must do what you feel is right for
    you and your family, and I respect that.  You mentioned yoga and
    meditation, so I thought Dr. Deepak Chopra's works may be of interest. 
    He is a western-trained medical doctor and former chief-of-staff at a
    large hospital in New England, who now works in holistic healing.
    
    There are some books that may be a little closer to your way of
    thinking; they are written by a medical doctor named Dr. Larry Dossey.  
    He's done a lot of studies on how prayer can affect disease and healing, 
    and is highly respected in the medical field.
    
    Cindy

Deepak Chopra is an interesting person, having listened to him on a tape
that Cindy loaned me, once.  However, I am of the opinion that a faulty
premise can lead to faulty conclusions, even though value can be found
in between.  But then again, one doesn't always have to agree with everything.

MM

    
    MM,
    
    Faulty premise?  Can you elaborate, though I know it's been a while...
    
    Cindy

>    Faulty premise?  Can you elaborate, though I know it's been a while...

No I can't (or prefer not to) elaborate beyond saying that there are valid
things he had to say, but I also came away thinking that some of his points
left the trail, which seemed to me to be by reason of a predisposition.
One might say the same about me, I suppose, eh?, so why don't we just leave 
it as one man's opinion?  (I still have your "reality" mail, but haven't read
it yet, which I still intend to do.  (My apologies.))

MM

    
    Re.35
    
    Just trying to get clarification.  It's hard to discuss, refute, or
    make more clear, an unknown premise.
    
    Cindy

    A gentle reminder from a non-mod...
    
    This note isn't really the best place for this discussion (IMO).
    
    Maybe the sidebar can move off-line and we can re-focus on Ray and his
    sister?
    
    Thanks,
    
    Steve

    You may move my notes, and ensuing notes, mods (please; a request)
    since I started this.
    
    MM

    Just as an aside, I do believe that the human body is "fearfully and
    wonderfully made" as the Psalmist says, and that people (in general
    and including myself) have not utilized its full potential.
    
    In many ways, our bodies are like the oceans and forrests, able to
    recover from disasters and pollutants.  Our physical systems are
    a thing of wonder, still being discovered, for there is much we don't
    know about why things go wrong with the system.  (Maybe its "planned
    obsolescence and the warranty is running out?)
    
    There is both excitement and trepidation over decoding human DNA;
    ethical questions; Babel building and all that.
    
    But when one follows the chain links of discovery back to the first
    link, the missing link, as it were, we are "made" by Him "in His image"
    and are a reflection of perfection.  How we are made, and how things
    work or go awry, and how we can better use what we have was all made by
    God.  We are fearfully and wonderfully made.
    
    Mark

    Of course, Psalms 1:1, 64:2, and II Corinthians 6:14 always work for
    me.

>    Of course, Psalms 1:1, 64:2, and II Corinthians 6:14 always work for
>    me.

For those without a Bible handy, these are the verse to which Mike refers:

Psalms 1:1  Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the
ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the
scornful.
 
Psalms 64:2  Hide me from the secret counsel of the wicked; from the
insurrection of the workers of iniquity:

2Corinthians 6:14  Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for
what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion
hath light with darkness?