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Conference yukon::christian_v7

Title:The CHRISTIAN Notesfile
Notice:Jesus reigns! - Intros: note 4; Praise: note 165
Moderator:ICTHUS::YUILLEON
Created:Tue Feb 16 1993
Last Modified:Fri May 02 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:962
Total number of notes:42902

321.0. "C-NOTERS! WHERE IS OUR WITNESS?" by TPSYS::WEST () Wed Nov 17 1993 08:01

    
    
    
    	I am disturbed by the number of replies generated on some recent
        topics in this notes file in the last few days.
    
        Some are so busy getting drawn into foolish arguments to defend
    	their position that they fail to see the example they are setting.
    
        No, not just the contention.  I DO believe we should strive to
    	defend the truth of Scriptures, and to label falsehood where we see
    	it, and I thank the moderators and participants who seek to
    	enlighten with the truth from Scripture.
    
        But on company time?
    
        When one sees 20, 25, or more responses by an individual day after
    	day, all throughout the work day (timestamps are very obvious), what
    	kind of witness is that to the person whose job is in jeopardy due 
    	to the lack of company-wide productivity?  What kind of witness is 
    	that to management?  What would the noter's immediate supervisor
    	say?  Do they even know?  Would the noter keep the window open if
    	the boss walked in to talk? Or would we have a quick iconize or
    	CTRL-Y?
    
    	Sure, the noter may be at work ten hours per day, so the two hours
    	per day or more (my estimate --  your mileage may vary) spent on 
    	Christian notes files would be accounted for.  
    
    	But does the world see that or know that?
    
        It's like being in a compromising situation -- we are told to not
    	even offer a hint of impropriety.  Sure, we can say, "But I didnt do
    	anything wrong; you must believe me."  No, the Bible says to avoid 
    	being in those situations in the first place, to give a good
    	witness, to not even give a bad report a chance to get started.
    	And Christian noting all day long, day after day, does not give a 
    	good witness.
    
        Besides, I personally don't think one can have a window	open 
    	monitoring the notes file responses and also be focused enough
    	on work for 8 hours to give Digital its due. 
    
        I KNOW I can't, from experience.
    
        I have at times gotten sucked up into the notes trap --- getting
    	into heavy arguments that do suck up time and energy.  And not only
    	the original noter's time, but that of the moderators in having to
    	keep the note in line, to reply as necessary -- it is all too much.
    
    	It is a trap, folks, and not a good witness to the world.
    
    	Bob
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    	Titus 3:9
    
    	But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and
    	contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are
    	unprofitable and vain.
        
                                                
    	Ecclesiastes 12:8
    
    	Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
    
    
    
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321.1agreedPOWDML::MOSSEYWed Nov 17 1993 09:477
    re: -.1
    
    Amen, Bob.
    
    I had the exact sentiments after reading through some of note 320.
    
    
321.2Be carefulKALI::EWANCOEric James EwancoWed Nov 17 1993 10:1010
I have heard rumors in fact that someone may be monitoring certain notes
conferences and marking the authors and timestamps of notes.  I have known not
a few people who were avid noters and subsequently got laid off.  Whether they
were laid off because they didn't do their job (because of the notes) or
whether someone noticed their frequent postings and recommended them for TFSO,
I cannot say.

Just be careful.

Eric
321.3TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersWed Nov 17 1993 11:094
Checking the links, writers are not the only ones monitored (in case you 
read-onlies think you're incognito).

MM
321.4You CAN make the DIFFERENCEJULIET::MORALES_NASweet Spirit's Gentle BreezeThu Nov 18 1993 01:587
    This conference is made up of individuals.  You could make the
    difference.   Instead of taking up the time to write more derogatory
    statements, why not take the time to write something edifying?
    
    Each read-only, each participant has the power of the written word at 
    their fingertips in here.  
    
321.5TOKNOW::METCALFEEschew Obfuscatory MonikersThu Nov 18 1993 11:5834
>        Besides, I personally don't think one can have a window	open 
>    	monitoring the notes file responses and also be focused enough
>    	on work for 8 hours to give Digital its due. 
>    
>        I KNOW I can't, from experience.

Bob,
  I have re-read your base note.  This sort of admonishment comes up 
occasionally in this conference and others, and at times we need it.
Having been a moderator for some time, there were days when the time
sink was more than it was worth, and other days where traffic was light.
  There is something to be said for balance, though, which admittedly
is a difficult thing to maintain.  And when it becomes too far out of 
balance, it is time for a check up.  The balance is that I *could*
have a window open all day (while I was a moderator), which was checked 
periodically, such that it seemed as if things were current.  I have 
four decterms and other windows as well (monitoring my system, clock, 
mail, etc).  Balance can be maintained in a multitasking environment.
As for giving Digital its due, one can check my performance record.
I hear what you have said about appearance, and the counterbalance 
of this is judgment on what is seen but not fully understood.  Neither
extreme covers the whole.  As some people in E-mail exchanges can testify,
I am one who can dash off 50 or 60 lines easily, and I apologize to those
who tire after 15 lines.  Some labor to write 24 lines.
  Your admonition is not out of line or wrong; in fact, it is correct, but
it also needs to take balance into account.
  I've been tossing around a statement that I've been wanting to use:

Treat equals equally, individuals individually, and everyone fairly.

I don't expect this to sit well in today's politically correct society,
but I'd be willing to discuss it.

Mark
321.6POWDML::SMCCONNELLNext year, in JERUSALEM!Thu Nov 18 1993 12:1728
    The interesting thing to me about Bob's note is the affect it had upon
    entries yesterday.  I'm not pointing this out as a "gotcha".  Rather,
    it seems to me that it served its intended purpose; namely, to get us
    all to think about our own individual witness (since it usually doesn't
    do much good to focus on how everyone elses' witness is ;-).
    
    Mark calls for a need to balance each side of the story, and I agree
    (no surprise there; he used the "b" word ;-).  But no doubt, in weighing 
    all things, many people found that Bob's admonishment was applicable to 
    them personally and they thought twice before acting.  I know I did!
    
    At different times in our lives, we may find ourselves on the end of
    the scale in need of being admonished.  At other times, we may find
    ourselves being used in the role of the admonisher.  Bob would probably
    be the first to tell you that he's had his own struggles in this area
    too (as you can glean from some of his comments in the basenote).
    
    I think it was an imporant reminder and from my own perspective, one to
    obey - NOT for the sake of avoiding some penalty, but for the sake of
    giving *all* to my employer as giving unto Him.  Since this is an area
    in my life in which G-d is working these days, I thought it was very
    timely.
    
    My 2 cents for whatever it's worth...
    
    Steve
    
    
321.7PCCAD::RICHARDJPretty Good At Barely Getting ByThu Nov 18 1993 15:279
    Gee, the recent silence is the best atmosphere this conference 
    has ever had.

    Hope your all praying !

    Sometimes we need to be quiet and just reflect on Jesus.

    Peace
    Jim
321.8CSLALL::HENDERSONFriend will you be ready?Thu Nov 18 1993 15:5512
.    Sometimes we need to be quiet and just reflect on Jesus.

 

 Amen, brother.





 Jim
321.9SUBURB::ODONNELLJThu Nov 18 1993 17:011
    "Be still and know that I am Lord"
321.10More silence to comeTPSYS::WESTThu Nov 18 1993 17:175
    Revelation 8:1
    
    And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in
    heaven about the space of half an hour.
                                                               
321.11CHTP00::CHTP04::LOVIKMark LovikThu Nov 18 1993 17:276
    Re: .-1
    
    If you consider what the "normal" level of activity in heaven must be
    like, that will be one *awesome* silence.
    
    Mark L.